The local course I play has this super tight right turn (see approximation below) that goes out at a slight angle to the right for maybe 60 feet, and then cuts dramatically, I would say that angle is somewhere around 80-85 degrees, and then continues towards the hole at the same angle maybe 90 feet down the path:

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So this hole is a really simple par three, all you have to do is throw a little past the turn and you have a quite an easy approach, but a little long for a put (maybe 120 feet). Oh, and the actual turn is around a pretty big bushy oak tree that you could probably tomahawk over, but that's no fun. So how would you approach this shot? Is there anyway to make such a tight turn and get some distance after the turn?

right handed forehand shot Bro! Or a left handed back hand. That is a definate bird hole. There is one just like it at Moffit park in houston, hole 16....Oh the memories!!!

or throw a roc with anhyzer just like moffit park, Mike this sounds very much so like hole 16

Sup Sup matchu......You going to Waterloo this weekend? I will be coming to Houston very soon. Want me to grab your CE Firebird from Efrain? Hey Madcow you a Moffit Rat?

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if he will let you get it from him to give back to me, I will give him some cash for it, or something else. Waterloo is not in the schedule for me. I am way too young for that tournament. lol j/k I am working this weekend and next weekend

hey, ryan what would you use to roll that short of a whole?
or are you talking about rolling on hole 15 at the bench lol, hey grunion

Nope, not a Moffit rat, I live in Oakland, California. **** do you guys have a lot of courses out there in Houston! Makes the bay area seem patetic. I did a search to see if there was a web sit with a map of Moffit so I could compare the similarity of the holes, but no luck.

So using those shots you mentioned (forehand/anyhyzer with roc), are you cutting over the obstacle a bit, or really making a tight curve? If it's the latter (tight curve) how much distance do you get after the turn? How far are you putting from? Thanks.

hey, ryan what would you use to roll that short of a whole?




Probably a putter, or a beat-to-crap D-Wasp

try hfds.org.....I am in Austin and yes texas has alot of courses. I will see if he will give it up Chuy. I would throw a fore hand way left of the basket and high so it would spend most of the time fading back to the basket. I would say the put would be around 5-10 feet if you get the throw down right.

Nope, not a Moffit rat, I live in Oakland, California. **** do you guys have a lot of courses out there in Houston! Makes the bay area seem patetic. I did a search to see if there was a web sit with a map of Moffit so I could compare the similarity of the holes, but no luck.

So using those shots you mentioned (forehand/anyhyzer with roc), are you cutting over the obstacle a bit, or really making a tight curve? If it's the latter (tight curve) how much distance do you get after the turn? How far are you putting from? Thanks.

there is a map, i will look for it and get it to you, it shows several courses in houston. I will go with a big anhyzer over a group of trees and if it stays on line, under the basket is where it will lie, but sometimes it holds too much anhyzer and fall about 40 short

Practice your chicken wings Chuy. Get away from that rip friction. Stop eating mexican food and drinking cheap beer before you play!

well, this is not moffit, but it is wilmont course http://www.hfds.org/cgi/discus/discus.cgi
I know how to chicken wing thank you very much, just not as far as my backhand fool, you know it is ci-ci's

ok. I think the high anhyzer might work better for this particular hole, since there is actually a + ~10 foot elevation change in addition to the big bushy tree, and I don't think I can hyzer sidearm that high. It's really actually quite a silly hole, if you look a little back and to your right you can see the basket through some brush about 50 feet away, that would be cheating though. lemme know if you ever find a moffit map.

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I agree to throw the roc with an anhyzer, there's a hole similar at my home course...hasn't failed me yet

i assume the right turn is extreme, almost coming back on itself. i would maybe try overstable disc, low hard skipping shot, so it would be turning hard right during its multiple skips

There is also a similar hole at my local course. Usually, I throw my Flippy E Wizard. If I feel a little crazy, I'll throw my 177 Speed Demon sidearm. The skip is enough to get around!

how high can you throw on this hole? that is the biggest factor. If you want the disc to go really far right, you have to have room to do it. I would not recommend sidearm on this shot because most of the time it will make the right turn but hit the ground before getting far enough right. That is why I like the high anhyzer with a beat up putter. Put it up there and let it pan out of it and it will work.

i assumed you could not go very high, or up and over. i agree the sidearm shot would hit the ground early, but with a few speed demon skips, you could work your way around the turn

sky's the limit pretty much, though the tee is situated with a tree somewhat overhead and to the left, so you have to a pretty small window to get your disc up and out. The first 50 feet is a gradual incline of maybe 10 feet, maybe a little more. The turn is really tight, as someone said, almost back on itself, and then there is a very gradual incline the rest of the way. i think i'll grab my camera and take some picutures, this is fun, i like all the different ideas people are throwing out there.

the overstable skip is a really cool idea! so you throw it really hard at the ground right before the bend, and the bounces will vear to the right due to the overstability?? very cool.

yes, overstable discs tend to skip alot better because the "lift edge" of the disc produces negative lift and forces that edge to the ground. Depending on how much negative lift is generated, the disc will actually hit the ground (incl. all undulations, grass, etc.) many times during each noticeable skip. Each time the lift edge hits the ground, there is friction on that edge and none on the other. One side of the disc is carrying momentum, and the other is being slowed by the ground. This causes the disc to turn.

An even bigger factor on skip is the shape of the lip and angle and speed at which it hits the ground. The shape of the lip and the angle at which it hits the ground determine how much surface area is coming in contact with the ground, and therefore how much friction will be generated. Since we already know that friction dictates turn, the effects are obvious. Be careful, though. Too much friction and not enough speed to overcome the friction will just cause the disc to stop :).

Physics lesson over, now back to your regularly scheduled disc golf. :D

Kidroc "how high can you throw on this hole?" it is a factor you can go high but there is a tree to the left. It is not hard to find this tree.. but it sets the shot up to turn the right amount.. imo. but if things are weary I will throw a thumber it will never hit that tree

Oh, and the actual turn is around a pretty big bushy oak tree that you could probably tomahawk over, but that's no fun.




...no fun? It may not be fun, but it sounds like it's the most PROBABLE shot that would yeild a 2.

I generally don't like to roll a disc due to not knowing if there are rocks, sticks, or ruts in the ground, but if it's the most PROBABLE shot, then away i roll. The bottom line is the man with the fewest strokes wins. Do what you have to do.......other than cheat! :o

You guys got it all wrong about the fore hand. If I drove and threw it high I can put a drive 200 feet parallel to the tee box. I could also throw it with some turn over high and send it out 150 feet and have it come back 100 feet to almost making a U. Well what ever your fancy....just practice and youll figure out something.

seen to many forehands get straight on that hole and into the woods and off to grandma's house we go.

seen to many forehands get straight on that hole and into the woods and off to grandma's house we go.



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seen to many forehands get straight on that hole and into the woods and off to grandma's house we go.



Z-Xtreme



doh! hmm, might try my #1 hyzer sometime, have to dig it out though, that is a overstable biatch

That was then and this is now. This is what I got so now I show it to you and you get away from me. I will drop by Moffit when I am in town and show it to you. I think I could throw from 16's alt and put it on 18 tee box now. I have got some pretty good predictability now that I have gotten serious about the sport Chuy.

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The Waterford Junior Girls Club has a few in stock. You can e-mail me for colors and weights. If I sell any off this blatant abuse of the message board rules, I'll donate gross sale to the club travel fund, not just the profit.

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Ouchie!!!!! Thats gotta hurt! :o

... throw a roller ... with "touch" ... :cool:

I would say stop playing and just tomahawk it.....Screw the tough routes and just go for the bird.

Yea......he answered his own question. It's an overhand shot. Sorry about not having fun................. :confused:

I guess I don't understand the idea of a tomahawk not being fun. Last I checked the only thing that made the game fun was throwing drives which gave you birdie putts or those great par saves, but much more for the prior. If I found a hole that throwing a pancake shot would be the best I would use it(think thats the name of it... when you hold the disc upside down and throw it from the side while bending at the waist... probably the weirdest looking throw that I have ever seen used effectively) To be a good disc golfer you have to have a multitude of shots in your bag. Sometimes going up and over is just a smart shot.

..no fun? It may not be fun, but it sounds like it's the most PROBABLE shot that would yeild a 2.

I generally don't like to roll a disc due to not knowing if there are rocks, sticks, or ruts in the ground, but if it's the most PROBABLE shot, then away i roll. The bottom line is the man with the fewest strokes wins. Do what you have to do.......other than cheat!



point taken. right now i'm more interested in learning this type of tight right turn, but i'm going to the course today, and since it's only 9 holes i'll play it 2 or 3 times and try the tomahawk method at least once. i did say "probably" because i'm not actually certain that it's possible. i hope i don't lose my disc in the tree.. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Throw all of the shots listed.

Roller, two-finger, backhand with opposite handd, pancake, tomahawk, anhyzer, or invert. One of those shots will work for you. Figuring out which one is the FUN. :D

Try an invert, otherwise falsly known as a Scooby.

I guess I don't understand the idea of a tomahawk not being fun. Last I checked the only thing that made the game fun was throwing drives which gave you birdie putts or those great par saves



i think this is a misunderstanding, i do think the tomahawk is fun, and appropriate whenever you feel like using it. in this instance, i'm talking about a pretty simple course where some of the holes are only challenging at all if you actually play them as they're shown on the map. in this particular hole, as i think i mentioned before, the basket is actually about 50 feet to the right and a little behind the tee, and about 10 feet up. there just happens to be some brush in between. So:

1) it would be ridiculously easy to drive sideways off the tee directly through the brush. you might get caught up, but most likely not.
2) next there is this big bushy tree that it may or may not be possible to tomahawk over (i'll find out today).
3) finally, you can go around, as the map suggests.

i like to go around because the first route is just silly (50 feet? that's a long putt!), and the second route, if possible, is still just a 50 foot drive with a high tomahawk. ah hell, maybe i'll just bring a boomerang with me and use that on this hole!! (are boomerangs over or understable? )

Throw all of the shots listed.

Roller, two-finger, backhand with opposite handd, pancake, tomahawk, anhyzer, or invert. One of those shots will work for you. Figuring out which one is the FUN.



well said. that is much of the fun.

so someone described a pancake earlier, how do i do an invert? looks like i'll have to play this hole 7 times!

are you sure there's no mando on that hole? it doesn't make much sense to not have one if there's an alternate route that shortens the hole by that much.

We have a hole here in Pratt Kansas that if you play the 90 degree fairway it is 500! If you go over the top of all the trees it is 370. No mando just risk vs. reward.


Smitty

yeah, it's probably "mando", but it's such a small course, that barely any serious players even play there. considering you pretty much have to drive backwards off the tee for the short route, i'd say the 90 degree turn is required. also, there's really no way to tomahawk over it, upon further inspection, and you can only anhyzer if you get a perfect placement in an opening between the trees. it's pretty much skip or nothing.

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Well, you can't buy Z-Xtremes. That's why I posted. It is a discontinued mold.

Not true- you can get all the Z extremes you want from www.gottagogottathrow.com (http://www.gottagogottathrow.com)

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But I'd be sure to try a Max weight Flick as well- mad stable!

CFR Vipers, the most over stable discs I have ever thrown.

Try a 174 First Run Z Extreme :D

Try a CFR Viper.

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Beat to HEYELL Roc...thrown BH. :p

roller or flick!!! :D

Super Tight Right Turn...I second the Z Extreme... but hey, i'm a lefty...

Super Tight Right Turn...I second the Z Extreme... but hey, i'm a lefty...



So what does that mattter. You throw it backhand and i throw it for hand. It still ends up under the basket right??? :D

After reading the description, it seems like a gimme putt. Go on to the next hole. Or throw a forehand with any disc or if you want to make it hard, try a forehand cut roller.

I stick with my original posts. Seams like more are vouching for a forehand now than before. Just trow it real high so it spends the majority of the time fading back towards the basket. If the trees allow it that is.

since the trees cover nearly the whole first part of the curve from above, and there is a 10 foot elevation over that part as well, it's really hard to get the disc high enough in the air past the trees that it can come back any meaningful amount on the other side. since i'm not very good, i'm probably not the best judge, but the best i've seen so far was a forehand skip shot thrown really hard that bounced a couple times around the tree, and landed still 40 feet from the basket. definitely doable, but no gimme putt.