I have a DX Tee-Bird I love, but often wonder what a CE Tee-Bird would be like. Is their anything you guys can tell me, or should I just buy one tommarrow and find out for myself....

Within the same mold the difference will be mostly shrinkage.
The wings will be longer, the overall diamter will be larger and usually the wings are more concave in CE/Evolution or urathane. The other difference is surface friction.
Less friction on the slicker surfaced urathanes.
All 4 of these things metioned makes the discs more overstable, especially on deceleration.
Also the higher end plastics are harder to make climb from hyzer to flat than Dx or S in the same mold with the same speed and revolutions!(More resistance to turn and more low speed fade)
more times than not the matted versions of golf discs will land closer to the basket than the higher end stuff especially of you lack spin pr speed!

Exactly what Dave said.

The plastic cools differently which changes the shape of the disc slightly. Also, the slick plastic makes the disc faster.

Another thing with premium plastic, Innova in particular. Sometimes a Champ disc may be so far from the same DX disc that they actually retool the disc to make it fly more like it's DX counterpart. This was the original concept behind the TL. In fact, all the original run CE discs were retooled from their DX counterparts, because they were determined to be too overstable when compared with the DX versions.

Another thing with premium plastic, Innova in particular. Sometimes a Champ disc may be so far from the same DX disc that they actually retool the disc to make it fly more like it's DX counterpart. This was the original concept behind the TL.



The first Teebird that they released was SE, and it was a TL. This was also more than a year before they had CE. I don't think that your theory "was the original concept behind the TL."

Are you sure about this?
At that time most new innova discs were released in DX type plastic and I thought regular t birds in Dx ( not TL) which is a less concave wing, were the first.
I have 1st run stamped white dx t-birds that are definateley not TL. maybe that ? os for a ask dave D thread

I've got a DX teebird and a champion teebird... the only real difference is the DX annies a bit more for me, making it more predictable, but the champion has better distance.

The first Teebird was the SE TL. The DX was after that. Leopards too.

Hey Gateway Dave... I am a chemist and was wondering... are all the "champion/z/evolution" plastics urathane based??? and if so what kind of plastics do they use for the lower end plastics... Im not into making money off this or anything like that... I just wanted to know for my own personal interest... if you want to PM me instead of posting; that's cool.

thanks :D

Cool thanks guys. I have one more question. When I throw, the disc goes very straight, but at the end (when the disc stops spinning I assume) it falls off to the right (FYI: I'm left handed and throw by pulling across the chest). I assume that I'm not getting enough spin on the disc and that's the reason why it falls so much to the right at the ned of the shot. So would you recommend a DX plastic for me?

give the dx a try atleast, or even milleniums jls, or ls might work well for you. I find the grip so much better on the dx, so I tend to use them more, I can't get enough of jls's. thinking bout putting an exp1 back in the bag myself

All high end discs are polyester urathane or at least the base material is.
Sometime you need to adjust the weight either up or down by blending in small percentages of something compatible.
KC, Elite and H are polyester based mateirail similiar to urathane but minus one of the componets.

I have a question for you.
If 50% of a compound has a specific gravity of 4.3 and 50% has a specific gravity of .90 what is the specific gravity of the 2 when compounded and how do you get the result?
I come up with 2.6 but for some reason the finished weight is 1.4 which really confuses me.

well are they reactive... or are they just mixed... are they mixed at temperatures/pressures where they might undergo some sort of recombination of their residues... if their chemical structure changes then that might lead to a difference in mass. I think I'd need more information than just their specific gravities... and by that I guess you mean density right???

I must (gently :) ) disagree... The first SE Tee Bird was the SE "T" (of which I have 2), THEN came the SE "TL".

Thanks,
I Knew my "1st run t-birds" had a more concave wing than the TL version. But even though they say Special Edition they are in DX!

Mine are definitely in SE plastic (Millenium-esque), are more concave, and are marked "T"s.

I seem to remember that SE "T"s were part of the players package at the KCWO that Summer.

A local Pro who went to a Bowling Green Tourney later that same year then came back with the first "TL"s...and guess what he said? :confused:
You guessed it...Leopard-bottom/Lepoard-like! :o



I KNOW, I KNOW!! Tee Bird "LESS-stable"...!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Respectfully withdrawn.

:)

ever play in the rain?

Hey Kelly,

I'm also left handed and throw across the chest. I'm pretty sure that's how a Tbird is supposed to work, very straight then a good fade at the end. Most discs will fade to the right at the end of their flight to some degree. I only throw DX plastic because I've found the CE stuff to be too overstable and harder to get to fly straight.

When I want a straight shot or something that fades to the left instead of right, I throw a 150 Valkyrie, often this will turn to the left before it comes back to the right, but usually ends up being fairly straight. I also throw a 148 beast which goes quite straight at times, but can also get it to fade to the right a little. I haven't played much with a Stingray but I know those can go quite straight.

If I don't need as much distance, it throw a Roc which I can get to go quite straight with little to no fade at the end. When I want lots of fade to the right at the end or if I'm throwing into the wind, I throw something pretty overstable like my 170 Firebird.

Hope that helps.