I noticed my disc that I lost at Worlds in Iowa and so I bid on the item (widiscgolf) and get the sellers contact info. Please advice that I have contacted this seller explaining this is my disc that I lost at Worlds in Iowa. I hope this guy will be a HONEST Disc Golfer and returns my disc. My name and phone number and PDGA# are on the inside rim. I just don't know why this guy wouldn't have the respect to call me or contact me through PDGA with my PDGA#? I talk to him tonight briefly, and he tried to get out of getting it back to me. He knew he should have called but didn't.

Look at the description, he tried to lie and pass it off as his own disc. WTF!!

He wrote:

I wrote my name on it and decided that it was too rare to throw. I attempted to remove my name from the inner rim of the disc, but there is still a faint outline of my name and number.

What a dishonest person and disc golfer. The link is below.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=79804&item=7105985 704&rd=1

Josh

What an A**HOLE! Someone needs to get the locals involved in this. Find a dg club in the area and bring their attention to it, maybe they can help in some way. I hope to convince our locals to begin using a message board to locate lost discs. Since I have gotten back into this game over the last 6 months, I've found no less than 10 discs at our parks. I have attempted to use all the contact information to get them returned to their rightful owner. So far I've returned 4 of them and gotten rewarded not only monitarily but just the fact of getting it back in the hands of owner really is thanks enough.

Recently Ive lost a dyed orc (not like its a rarity like yours) but still mine. Of course it being a one of a kind and playing every day for the last 6 months, almost everyone knows that disc is mine. According to one of the lesser players in the area its been seen flying from some ones hand other than mine. Believe me when I catch the little ungrateful little puke...he will regret he ever picked it up!

Sorry I rambled but this kind of crap really gets me going!

Good luck in retrieving it! Looks like a great disc!

UPDATE:

The seller who has my disc that is trying to sell it on ebay just called me at home and told me that he wants $50 or $25 and 3 new champion discs for my disc or else he will sell it on ebay.

This just makes me mad and hurtful inside at the same time. Just makes me not want to play. I honestly can't believe this is happening. I found 2 discs looking for that disc at worlds and returned them both to there owners without anything in return.

What a shame. Just sick inside.

Josh Hamm
PDGA#20525

wow

It is people like this that digress our game. I also got burned by a guy on ebay once. Took my money and never sent me my disc.
Ebay may be one of the worst things to happen to our game. It seems that people either rip people off for discs or have something like that happen. I know people who literally sell stuff on ebay all the time just for profit. I can understand the people who sell stuff to get entry fee money, but come on.

I really think its bull that we ams win discs and stuff and turn around and sell it on ebay for money. If you want to make money for this game, go out and practice instead of putting crap on ebay in your spare time so you can step up and play pro.

Crap like this is rediculous. I hope this works out Josh.

what the hell !!!! that is absolutely ridiculous!!!
what a loser!!!!!

Are you people serious?

When you LOSE a disc, you have LOST a disc. Get over it.

If somebody else finds it, bully for them. If they CHOOSE to return it, with or without reward, that is TOTALLY up to them. The person who LOST the disc should have NO EXPECTATION of getting the disc back, and should have NO EXPECTATION of somebody returning it if they find it.

Sure, you can talk about karma coming back to get them or something. That's fine.

But get over it. Once you lose it, it's not yours.

Sorry to be harsh, that's just the way it is.

Well, now you know what kind of jackass would do this sort of thing.

Hank or who ever you really are. The honest and the courteous thing to do would be to return the disc or at least make the effort to return it. You don't lie about it being yours and then try to sell it. I guess you must support the dishonest people and dishonest disc golfers?

It's probably not the 1st time; check out his ebay username "xDragTheLakex". :( :( :(

I have not dealt much with eBay, just now selling items for the first time (items I ordered direct from Innova), but shouldn't they be liable to remove it from the items for sell list if they are aware it is stolen merchandise? Have you attempted to contact eBay and explained the situation? Does anyone know eBay's policy on stolen items? I know that pawn shops are required to remove items from their sale floor if they think it could be stolen. In my opinion, a disc with a name, phone number, and PDGA # is stolen if it was not given to you. In you can't get the dishonest disc golfer to cooperate, perhaps eBay will do so.

What kind of JACKAZZZ would find a disc at worlds and not put it in the lost and found and THEN put it up for sale on EBAY. If you lose a disc the disc is still YOURS its just not in your possesion anymore. So your saying if you LOST your cell phone and someone found it then its their phone now. Thats basically what you are saying. You paid for the disc and you put your name and number on it IT YOUR DISC whether its in a lake the bushes a tree a river or wherever else you might lose your discs. It will remain YOUR untill you GIVE or SELL it to someone else then it becomes theirs. NOT if they just find it on the course.

And to even think this guy is trying to charge you 50 BUCKS to get it back. That is rediculous. I would just find out who it is and wait till you see him at a tournament or something. This guys is obviously a complete loser who has no life whatsoever but to KEEP peoples discs and sell them on EBAY.

This is how it goes if you lose or find someones disc. You FUKING give it back to them so that when someone finds your disc they will give it back to you. Ive had many people call me to return Champion disc and what not and 90% of the time i just tell them to keep it anyway unless it was a really important disc to my game which pretty much NO disc is that important that if you lost if you wouldnt be able to play. Youd be surprised what you would get if you just called the person and TRIED to return their disc to them.

I say this guy is an ACEHOLE and will get whats coming to him. Just tell everyone you know and everyone on this board not to buy anything from this guy off ebay.

my two cents

yeah its a lousy thing to do
the disc golf gods will come down on him hard
the karma thing is so true
what comes around goes around

if i lose a disc - its gone (i m not throwing expensive discs)
if i find a disc, which is rare i just dont like to throw used discs

if a disc is lost at a T - it should be returned
name & # on it - it should be returned

if you are an ebay user research some of the rules involved with the process there might be some recourse ebay could help you with

a solution is to buy it back and then post a negative rating for the seller - i believe this is a like the kiss of death for ebay sellers

great website by the way keep up the good work
love the WI courses that ive played

good luck

Lost discs ARE NOT stolen merchandise. Once you consider it lost and move on, you are giving up your rights to it.

Is the guy selling the disc being a jerk? Yes. But he's not doing anything illegal. Best thing to do is make his username known and push to have him boycotted.

Selling on eBay is not bad, it's a place for "caveat emptor".

If you lose a disc the disc is still YOURS its just not in your possesion anymore.



This is very true...I've even involved the cops a couple of times. When I was at school playing all the time, I had a buddy of mine from the University police force help me get a disc back. I didn't care so much about the disc as teaching the guy a lesson. What sucks about most college [or high school] kids that play (Yeah I know I started in college), is that they have no respect for anyone else that plays on their local course. If they find a disc and someone's name is on it, they mark it out and throw with it. If there are 6 of them, drinking or smoking out and playing ridiculously slow, they get ****** when a two-some or three-some of us want to play through (They never offer, of course).

I saw a guy playing with one of mine (a smoothly-dyed CE Spider), and of course my name was inside; slightly scribbled out, but still written on it. I told him that I'd lost it, and went back to search for it, and in the meantime, he had picked it up. He refused to give it back saying that he found it...I believe the phrase "Finders, keepers; losers, weepers!" came up a time or two. That ****** me off, and I called my friend that worked for the University PD and was on duty, and he got over there before the guy could leave the course, and told him he'd take him to jail if he did not give the "stolen property" back. I'm not sure if he could actually go to jail, but technically property still belongs to a person even if they've lost it. Even if it's something as mundane as a golf disc. I hope the guy selling your disc (ESPECIALLY after actually speaking to you, seeing as how YOUR name is on it) rots in hell and gets so much crap talk that he quits playing. Hopefully it will be a lesson to everyone who considers selling stuff like that.

Maybe you should bid on it, as well as contact the other prospective buyers, about it being yours. You should be able to contact eBay either before or after it's "sold" and they can help you.

What sucks worst is when you've not 'lost' a disc, but it's somewhere you can't get to it at the moment because you're playing in a tournament. You can't do anything about it if it's visibly in the pond or in a tree when your group has finished the hole, and many times I've seen little (or big) kids run off with that disc. Sucks!

below is copy of what I e-mailed to this seller today:
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"... why don't you GIVE this disc back to it's rightful owner ... otherwise , I'll spread smack on you to others ... AND , "Karma" will get you : every lousy shot or putt you ever miss will be due to this transaction ... Is a coupla bucks really worth all those "bad vibes" that WILL haunt your game ... think about it ,,, Forest , Tulsa "
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just my opinion on the matter ... I wouldn't want to have that kind of curse on my game ... ( I miss too many putts on my own ) ... Forest , Tulsa

Tell him you will pay him the $$$. Ask for his addy. Demand he take it down. Take said addy and mail .02 cents. Your very own .02 cents. Be sure to sign it in blood. Move on with yo bad self.

Thanks for all the support guys and gals. It is a shame this is actually happening.

His eBay ID is xdragthelakex. I do have his real name and phone number, but I don't know if it is right for me to post it publicly here. See how honest I am for this prick. PM me if anyone wants to talk about this with more details.

I appreciate the boycott emails to this dishonest guy. I hope that will help, but I doubt it. After he called me last night and told me he wanted $50 for it and that he didn't care that he lied in the listing saying it was his. Laughing at me in the process. He said he was a student and he needed the cash.

He was at worlds as a spectator and found it the day it was lost. He said he knew he should of returned it or at least returned it to lost and found, but he said he didn�t care and wanted to make some money off it.


Josh Hamm
PDGA#20525

Lost discs ARE NOT stolen merchandise. Once you consider it lost and move on, you are giving up your rights to it.

Wrong. The principle that the owner retains his or her rights to lost property, and that the owner's claim to said property supersedes other claims including that of a finder is estabilshed by statute, common law, and case law. In most states and provinces, a finder is required BY LAW to return found property to the owner, if known, and to attempt to find the owner, if unknown. Some states' found property statutes require found property to be turned over to competent authority (usually law enforcement). Check our state's/province's statute for details.

Discgolf, depending on how close you are to the seller and how much trouble you want to go to, you might want to consider filing a suit against him/her in small claims court. Ordinarily, you would have to file it in the state the seller is located in. Check the found property/abandoned property statute for the seller's state.

fore:

He is located in Ames, Iowa. I am at work now. I can't search that at this moment. I have no clue where to look. SOunds like you know what you are doing. cough..cough.. j/k.

He is located in Ames, Iowa.



Any DGers out there near Ames who could find a way to smack some sense into that little brat?

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What sucks worst is when you've not 'lost' a disc, but it's somewhere you can't get to it at the moment because you're playing in a tournament. You can't do anything about it if it's visibly in the pond or in a tree when your group has finished the hole, and many times I've seen little (or big) kids run off with that disc. Sucks!



exactly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is the funny thing too. I knew where it was, but again I was in the Worlds Tournament playing. I don't have the time to search for and retrieve it during play. I went back to search and it was gone.

I wish there would be some local Ames or Des Moines, Iowa disc golfers that would help out. I did post in the Des Moines thread below.

fore is right.

And don't forget to sue the kid that lives across the street from the muni golf course who goes out and finds golf balls and then sells them for 3 bucks a dozen.

Oh, and next time you find an nickel on the street, make sure you attempt to find the owner of the nickel, and if you can't, then make sure you turn it over to the proper authority. Otherwise, you will be sued in small claims court because you violated statute, common law, and case law.

Regardless whether it's right or wrong, I can't believe all the crying over a disc. I want my mommy!

... wrong "HanksPlace" ... this seller is acting like a jerk ... no morals ... no scruples ... read the previous posts above on this guy ... I wish I could post e-bay feedback on this clown , but you have to actually buy something from him first ... not bloody likely ... I wish someone who had would lay the "ebay death-nail" on him ...
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oh well , Karma will get him ...

Solution: Be the winning Bidder, wait for the disc to arrive and then give him Negative feedback stating he was selling stolen merchandise.

I lost a Z-Flash a couple of weeks ago at Pickard in the pond by a tree that partilly hangs over the water. It has my name and phone # on it. I don't expect to get it back but I've written it off.

Each individual handles these things differently. I would be upset to see my disc up for sale on ebay but I'm not going to worry over $15-$20. I always hope whoever finds it puts it to good use.

PT Woods
# 20431

Hank,

The fact remains that I paid for that disc and I dyed that disc. My name, phone number and PDGA number are on the disc. It is a special disc for me. It was lost during my first Worlds Tournament that you cannot search for it during play after the 3-minute rule. I went back and it was taken. The guy said he was a spectator and took the disc. He knew he should have returned it because it wasn't his, but he said he didn't care and wanted to make money off of it.

Hank,

I don't understand you man. You seem to be a nice guy and have very informative answers. Don't you care about anything? If I found a special rare disc of yours I would return it to you or at least try to contact you. This is proper edicate and is the courteous thing to do.

Josh Hamm
PDGA#20525

Okay Josh, all I'm saying is don't expect your discs back. If a disc means enough to you that you're going to hate to see it gone, then don't throw it. Ever.

That the guy is being a jerk is a totally separate issue.

don't forget to sue the kid that lives across the street from the muni golf course who goes out and finds golf balls and then sells them for 3 bucks a dozen.

Oh, and next time you find an nickel on the street, make sure you attempt to find the owner of the nickel, and if you can't, then make sure you turn it over to the proper authority... Regardless whether it's right or wrong, I can't believe all the crying over a disc. I want my mommy!



If the guy had went and found it on a course that he wasn't watching where people throw (that's just really d_ck) and found an unmarked disc or at least one with no phone number or PDGA number on it (like any golf ball) then I would say yeah... tough luck... but golf balls are meant to be temporary items where as discs are used for years. About the nickel thing... if I find nickel I keep it sure... because it wouldn't be worth the phone call (which is somewhere close to that whole nickel) to find someone to return it to. Much less the gas or time to retrieve said nickel. To put this guys action into real life situation... say a guy drops a 20 out of his wallet while at a grocery store line and it falls under the candy rack. You see it fall under there and the guy realizes he dropped it but didn't see it go that way. He searches up and down for it but can't find it and when he walks off you reach down and make a cool 20. But to top it off... guy takes the 20 dollar bill (which happens to be a very cool and rare 20 dollar bill) and trys to hock it on ebay for 50 bucks. And to top it off... the guy finds you and asks you for the 20 back and you tell him only if you buy it off of me for more than its worth. I don't care who you are... that's one heck of a jerk and a disgrace not just to the game of disc golf, but to humanity as a whole.

If a disc means enough to you that you're going to hate to see it gone, then don't throw it. Ever.




Hank,

Why do you have to continue to belittle the situation? Any disc like that is important to almost anyone. That is not the issue at all. The disc is my property, I still have ownership and this prick is ripping me off. If you can't see that, you have some issues. Yes, I do agree this guy is a jerk.

Hank,
You mean Finders Keepers is the motto we should live by? Name on a disc I make an attempt to return. Sometimes I go above and beyond. I recently lost a disc at dusk near a creek thought I was wet found 18 discs about half with names. Alas none were mine some acehole picked mine up i guess. I still have three to return all three people know I have their discs. Our should I just let them know I'm gonna change policy because I haven't been able to return them yet. It's just stupid some one in Iowa needs to beat the dudes ***. I've written off several discs I've lost and just hope if someone I know sees my disc they will make an attempt to recover it.

late
lance

If I find a disc... I assume it's lost... If it has no name... in the bag it goes... if it has a name I CALL THE NUMBER!!! end of story. No matter how nice the disc is.

... krazyeye : you're one of "the good guys" ... we've just gotta hope that's the "rule" instead of the "exception" ... it is , after all , a matter of principles ... we have to hope good ones prevail ...

What is proper etiquette for taking ownership of a disc? I found a nice CE Valk with a number on it so I called the number and the guy seemed happy to get it back. He said he'd call me (I gave him my number and he had it on the caller ID on his cell) the next day to arrange a time to stop by and pick it up. He never called back. I waited a month and then started using the disc. Am I a jerk or within the bounds of proper etiquette? I have only been playing for about two months so I'm still pretty new to this thing.

I have 2 discs in my town that someone else is playing with.I lost one in a flooded creek {1st run Orc} that I attempted to fetch the next day after the water recided.GONE.We have a Play It Agian in town and the owners son has loser rec friends that comb the creek and sell the discs to the store.The store will black out the persons name and sell the disc.They make no attempt to call,even if your on thier buy 10 get 1 free plan,for which they have your name and contact #.The other disc I lost is a 1st run QJLS,that another loser rec player has.These players will not play or leave the course if they know Im there.I have told other people they know that Ill give them cash or NEW plastic.My #s on the disc they just dont care.I feel bad because of the dental bills they will recive when I knock out thier fuking teeth.I saw alot of people in the DMACC pond including 2 people that were there for the tourney and were keeping ALL the discs they found.I also recall a whole box of lost discs being taken at worlds by some other shiithead.Its not Ebays fault and thise of you on here bashing them and bashing people that sell discs on there is wrong.Whos getting ripped off? a disc is worth what you will pay for it.This is a unfortunate situation that is bullshiit,and Ill help in any way I can.

the listing claims this is a first run firebird. it is not. it is an FX, which was SEVERAL runs later...It may be a first run FX, but I have no idea how to tell that...Buy the disc, at what ever price, and pay using a credit card through pay pal. Then dispute the charge thru both ebay and pay pal, claiming you did not receive what was described. you will get to keep the disc, and have your money refunded. screw the bad guys.

Okay Josh, all I'm saying is don't expect your discs back. If a disc means enough to you that you're going to hate to see it gone, then don't throw it. Ever.



That statement is asinine. Dont throw any discs that are important to you ever. Ok so i shouldnt throw my 170 Z BUZZZ because it is my IMPORTANT turnover disc. I shouldnt throw my 174 Z Pred because it is my important long distance hyzer driver. Thats completely asinine. Discs are meant to be thrown and people property is meant to be returned to them when their name and number is on it.

So Hank your saying if you lost your cell phone and it had a sticker with your name and phone number on it that if someone finds it they should just take the sticker off and start making calls with it like its their phone and then they should just sell it on ebay??? That is the dumbest thing i have ever hear in my life. I hope you lose something very important to you that someone who finds knows it your and doesnt return it to you and laughs in your face about it. Then maybe you will change your tune on the subject.

The nickel thing doesnt apply because there is no way to prove who owned it before because people dont put their name and numbers on nickles. Nice try though.

If you find a disc with a name and number on it then you call and return the disc. If it doesnt have a name or number on it you ask around to the people who are playing in front of and behind you and if no one claims it then either keep it or give it to a newbie. If the name and number wasnt on it then they really could care less if they got it back or not and then there is no way to prove it was theirs in the first place. If i found a disc that didnt have a name or ANYTHING on it and someone was like hey i lost that and could tell me what hole they lost it on then i would give it back even if it was a 2001 CE Roc. We had someone buy a 2001 CE Roc for 5 bucks at Play It again and it had one of the guys we played withs name and number on it so he gave it back to him. This guy bought a 2001 CE Roc from Play it Again for the SOLE PURPOSE of returning it to its RIGHTFUL OWNER.

This guy selling your disc is a complete loser and you should report him to ebay for selling stolen goods and rub his name in the dirt on ebay so he cant ever sell anything again.

and oh yeah KARMA IS A BIIIIIIIIIIIITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Thanks for the info nix. I will keep that in mind.

sorry for your lose just goes to show you not everyone you come across is going to be a nice person. i wonder if he bought his mother a nice watch for her brithday and she lost it and later saw it on ebay if he would feel the same way ?

Okay Josh, all I'm saying is don't expect your discs back. If a disc means enough to you that you're going to hate to see it gone, then don't throw it. Ever.

That the guy is being a jerk is a totally separate issue.



That is not all that you are saying, if it were you would be correct.

You said "once you lose it it is not yours." You are belitting the situation were this individual did not attempt to contact the rightful owner.

Every single disc in my bag is one that I would hate to see gone. What discs should I throw now?

Every single disc in my bag is one that I would hate to see gone. What discs should I throw now?



Go buy an Epic. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

We have a Play It Agian in town and the owners son has loser rec friends that comb the creek and sell the discs to the store.The store will black out the persons name and sell the disc



20460chase, they certainly will. BUT, I have retrieved 4 of my lost discs from that store (I'm also in Des Moines). The manager won't hesitate to return a disc to you if go to the store and claim it. They claim that the name/number is blacked out when they get them, but I doubt that's the case. In any case, they can't really call every single person whose name appears on a used disc because lots of discs are traded, re-sold, etc. so there's no way to tell if the name of the actual owner is on the disc.

To the original poster:
It's a shame and I hope that jerk gets what's coming to him. To me, the most important ethic of disc golf is the returning of a lost disc to the rightful owner. I wish everyone felt the same.

Woods:

PM me with your email please so I can talk to you on the details. Since you are in Iowa you may know this person.

This happened to me a couple years ago. I lost a disc (orange CE Firebird F) in a tree, during a tourney, and had to move on. It must have blown down cause it was gone when I went back for it. My name, address, and number were on the back. It was mailed to me by someone who found the disc while walking (not a disc golfer). Funny thing is, she lived about 150 miles away! So the disc came back to me, but in slightly worse condition. Still have it!

I truly believe if you throw a disc in the water, or in high weeds, or in a tree, and leave it, with no plans of trying to get it back, it is no longer yours. But if you did go back for it, after the round, and someone else picked it up, then it was stollen. That makes all the difference in the world.

Disc golfers need to treat each other with respect!

I sent the seller of the disc an email, pretty much stating what yall said in this post. Cause I disagree with him selling the disc without trying to return it. This is the email I sent him and below that is his response.

MY EMAIL:
"Youve disturbed an ant bed by listing this disc and not giving it back to it
rightful owner. This disc does not belong to you. You are killing your
reputation. And what you are doing is illegal.
The principle that the owner retains his or her rights to lost property, and
that the owner's claim to said property supersedes other claims including that
of a finder is estabilshed by statute, common law, and case law. In most states
and provinces, a finder is required BY LAW to return found property to the
owner, if known, and to attempt to find the owner, if unknown. Some states'
found property statutes require found property to be turned over to competent
authority (usually law enforcement). Check our state's/province's statute for
details."

xdragthelakex RESPONSE:
I am trully sorry that I have "disturbed and ant bed" by listing this disc. But
in all reality, I didn't even find the disc where he had claimed to lose it. It
had been floating around the area for quite some time, before I even came into
contact with it. I did contact the owner, and we are trying to work through
this dispute, but in all honesty, he isn't willing to cooperate with my wishes,
therefore resulting in a "dishonest" legal selling of this found disc through
ebay. I will look into the statute to find more details, and I thank you for
the information, but as far as I can see, I have done nothing wrong.

That response reminds me of a situation I was in awhile back with a lost disc on ebay .......

That is funny trying to work out the details. Keep in mind he contacted me last night after I bid on the item and got his personal info and called him and told him "hey dude I am the owner of that disc". Then he calls me back an hour later almost midnight and tried to bribe me to give him $50 or else!! He told me last night where he found it and then began to lie about it. He was back tracking every word he was saying.

Another thing the disc is 100% mint as I left it!!! This guys is such a dishonest loser. Look how he states he put his name and his number on the disc and tried to remove it. IT IS MY NUMBER AND MY NAME ON THE DISC. What a IDIOT AND A LIAR!!!
What a fricken prick. This just makes me so upset I just don't want to play if we have losers like this on our courses.

fore is absolutely right about the letter of the law - lost property does not belong to the finder. nor is there any "finder's fee" for lost property. if the thief (lets call a spade a spade :mad:) won't give it back, you should contact all of the bidders on the item and forward the url to this thread. let them decide whether they want to be a third party to this mess; i'd guess they'd rather not.

Can someone help me out with that? for some reason I get email errors from my account.

If someone can email the bidders for that auction and give them the link and a short messege explaining the situation that would be most appreciated.

Here is the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=79804&item=7105985704&rd=1

I sent one of the bidders the link. But apparently, unless your a regular seller or buyer, your only allowed one email, per day!

Sorry!

You could have eBay shut down the auction for selling stolen goods, but it might be difficult as its your word against his.

If you have transcripts of emails where he admits the disc was not found and never his then it may be easier.

Only problem with having Ebay end the auction is that you're no closer to gettting your disc back.

Good luck on winning the auction. I recently sold a dyed CE Valk that ended at $75...

What a scumbag!!!!

I like how his description states, "This is a BRAND NEW, never been thrown". Obviously it has been thrown, otherwise it wouldn't have gotten lost in the first place.

Here's an idea: Why don't you send messages to everyone bidding on the item & let them know what's going on. Reference this discussion thread. Anyone who would pay that kind of money for an old CE firebird is probably a collector or a long time disc golfer, and would hopefully be sympathic to your cause. Personally, if I was bidding on a disc like that, and then I found out the history of the disc, I would be retracting my bid ASAP!!! Besides, they are probably bidding on the disc under the assumption that it is brand new & NEVER BEEN THROWN, and obviously, that isn't the case.

What a scumbag!!!!

I like how his description states, "This is a BRAND NEW, never been thrown". Obviously it has been thrown, otherwise it wouldn't have gotten lost in the first place.

Here's an idea: Why don't you send messages to everyone bidding on the item & let them know what's going on. Reference this discussion thread. Anyone who would pay that kind of money for an old CE firebird is probably a collector or a long time disc golfer, and would hopefully be sympathic to your cause. Personally, if I was bidding on a disc like that, and then I found out the history of the disc, I would be retracting my bid ASAP!!! Besides, they are probably bidding on the disc under the assumption that it is brand new & NEVER BEEN THROWN, and obviously, that isn't the case.



Aloha,

That's been tried. Check out the 4 or 5 replies above mine where I suggested reporting it to eBay.

Mahalo,
Mirth

I sent the seller an email that detailed my thoughts on it.
I offered him, that if he is too cheap to pay the postage to do what is right, then let me know and I will pay him for the postage out of my Pay_pal account.


What an ***!




Some people just really pizz you off.

Thanks for the heads up. I will be dropping this guy some negative feedback on eBay. I suggest you golfers do the same. Lets stop this guy.

I honestly appreciate all the support from you fellow honest disc golfers.

I just sent him a message too ....

You asked:
"Why are you selling stolen goods? Return the disc to it's owner."

It is not a stolen disc, I FOUND it, not the day after the tournament, but several weeks if not months after the tournament ended. Therefore it was a lost disc that I stumbled upon at a DIFFERENT location than where he had claimed to lose it while searching for my own disc. Please stay out of this argument. It does not involve you.
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I plan on replying asking why he never contacted the owner etc.. Here is his e-mail if anyone else wants to harass him

underoath7777@yahoo.com

Suh-weet...now we can really harass him...

sent a message to him suggesting to look at the http://pdga.com/members.php for the owner of the disc. and not to **** on a fire.

Last year I lost a First run CE Teebird Brand new with my name and number on it. About two months later I am driving thru my course and see this guy throwing my disc It is in the road right in front of me.I stopped and got out to talk to him .I asked him where he got this really cool disc .His answer floored me ( some ******* threw this rare disc in the water and did not come back for it) at that point I asked if he tried to call the number that was on the disc .( no Fu----g way once they lose them and I find them they are mine .At that point my calmness that I try and always have with casual players went right out the window.I grabed his bag full of discs and walked over to the water and threw the whole bag in the deepest part .Now I now what I did was wrong and I am not bragging about how badly I behaved .But this guy was way out of line .I did apolagize as I got back in the car with my disc and watch him try and get in the water to get his stuff back.

It may have been harsh throwing the whole bag in, but I can't put it past you! I was nailed in the head a couple of weeks ago with a CE TB by some guy warming up and it took every ounce of calmness out of me to not rip it as far away as I could. Looking back, I probably should have. The guy didn't yell at all, nor apologize once he got it back. It's embarrassing how many people play this sport casually and competitively who have no class whatsoever!

I look back on it now and I was totally in the wrong but my Instincts at the time was to throw him in the water after a couple of friendly reminders up side his head, I just think today I always go look for lost discs and if I dont find them and they dont come back Not much I can do .It takes a lot for some people to do the right thing.

I just sent emails to everyone bidding on this auction. This is what I sent out:


I�m sorry to bother you. I would just like you to be aware that the CE Firebird you are currently bidding on, eBay Item #7105985704. Is under great controversy. It apparently does not belong to the seller nor is it BRAND NEW and unthrown. The disc was picked up on a course and never returned to its rightful owner. The owner, whose name is on the disc as well as phone number and PDGA#, is currently doing all he can to retrieve what belongs to him. I ask for your help in this matter and wish you to do what you believe is right. I am sure you are a collector and an avid disc golfer, if so I know you know what it is like to have a disc lost and not returned. Especially one this special. Once again I am sorry to bother you with this matter; I just think you should be aware of the situation. There is a whole thread on the PDGA website forum discussing this issue. Please go to http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=246385&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1 for further information. Thanks for your time.

- Adam




Hopefully there will be some honest people out there and this thing will work out. And the disc will get returned to it owner.

maybe josh can get some biz from this all and maybe offer a dye discount for anyone who helps in getting this disc back :)
hope you get your disc back

One avenue you might want to take is to read up on the eBay rules and agreements. I know that they take this kind of stuff seriously and have measures in place to shutdown (or more) sellers who are selling products that are not legally theirs.

Like 'fore' suggested, get to know the laws in Iowa, and present that to eBay. They can shut him down by his current username and future attempts at registering a new username since there is authentication required.

One avenue you might want to take is to read up on the eBay rules and agreements. I know that they take this kind of stuff seriously and have measures in place to shutdown (or more) sellers who are selling products that are not legally theirs.

Like 'fore' suggested, get to know the laws in Iowa, and present that to eBay. They can shut him down by his current username and future attempts at registering a new username since there is authentication required.



Excellent ponts Dave, but shutting down the auction will almost certainly never get the owner back his disc.

underoath7777@yahoo.com

there's his email... I say everyone who's ever been ripped off, and thinks this stinks... SPAM him... just 4 words... "give back the disc!"

I've already sent 2... so I'm gonna keep at it until he gets fed up...

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Discgolf,

If I remember correctly, the Iowa Found Property Statute requires that property having a value of more than $5 be turned over to local law enforcement for safekeeping during the search period. I also seem to recall that the owner has up to 2 years from the date the found property is registered to reclaim it before it's considered abandoned and ownership passes to the finder.

Brian,

Assuming you're not particularly concerned about what's required legally, there really are no hard-and-fast rules. I recently had an Innova Coupe returned to me that I lost in 1998, and last Dec. I got an e-mail from a guy in Toronto offering to return a disc (at no charge to me) that I lost at Centennial Park in 2001. So it pretty much depends on what you as the finder are comfortable with.

My policy is to hold on to marked found discs for two years and to attempt to contact the (ostensible) owner at least every other month before disposing of them or adding them to my own stash.

I suggest you call the guy again and tell him if he doesn't pick it up in the next week or so, you'll assume he doesn't want it back and will be adding it to your bag.

nor is there any "finder's fee" for lost property.


Not quite true: some states do permit a finder to collect a token fee for the return of found property. Additionally, most states require an owner to reimburse the finder for reasonable costs incurred to locate the owner.

If this guys was honest and called me I would have given him $20 and a couple of champion discs for his trouble. I told him this over the phone last night and he got fricken greedy and said how about $25 and 3 champion discs. Sick man just sick.


Look at this crap, looks like he is using another ebay ID or has a friend. I bid for the item up to $60 and hmm look someone bid up and past it and then retracted there bid. How obvious is this prick.

Well if you can prove that bidding scheme he is using is true. Its called shill bidding. And this is a felony. Straight from the books,


Shill bidding - the bane of every eBay user (whether buyer or seller) and something that truly undermines the community trust - is a felony. It is the practice of placing a bid on a item to artificially inflate the finalvalue. Shill bidding is a violation of the Federal Wirefraud statute, which encompasses the practice of entering into interstate commerce to defraud - not something to be toyed with!



Id recommend you go to http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/select-RS.html and report this shill bidding or you can report this as a stolen item. Ebay does not tolerate these sorts of things. As it is a few of the bidders did not have valid email addresses and this is as well a violation of eBay and is really suspecious. Id say take action, because although you may never get your disc back your doing everyone else a favor by stopping this from going on. Something needs to be done. Set an example here and do something.

Here is more on eBay about stolen property,

The sale of stolen property is strictly forbidden on eBay, and violates state, federal and international law. eBay strongly supports law enforcement efforts to recover stolen property that is listed on its Web site, and urges the prosecution of those responsible for knowingly attempting to sell such items on eBay. Stolen property includes items taken from private individuals, as well as property taken without authorization from companies or governments.

See U.S. federal law on selling stolen property or government property without authorization:

Interstate transportation of stolen property
Theft of government property
If you see an item on eBay that you believe is stolen, your best course is to contact law enforcement immediately. Under eBay's privacy rules, our attorneys will provide important records about pending and past listings with an official request from law enforcement officials. Please inform the police officer handling the case that eBay will be pleased to cooperate in the investigation, and ask the officer to contact eBay using our law enforcment-specific webform. The officer should include all relevant information, including the case number and any item numbers or User IDs.

It is important that this webform be reserved for law enforcement use only, as it enables us to respond quickly in case of emergencies. Emails directed through this webform that are not from law enforcement will be routed to the appropriate mailbox or individual accordingly and may cause delays in response time.

If you are concerned that the images, text, or HTML in your item description have been used by another eBay user without your authorization, please see eBay's Item Description and Picture Theft Policy. If you believe that your intellectual property rights have been violated by an eBay listing, get more information about eBay's Verified Rights Owner program.

What you should do is take that e-mail addy and any other one you know of his, and use it to have all kinds of Donkey, *** porn etc sent to him...... Use it for everything that you have to enter a e-mail addy to get access to but dont want to give them one of yours. LOL

What really pisses me off is this guy is trying to advertise this as a genuine first run CE Firebird.

**** I hate the uninformed.

I jsut spammed this guy about 15 times. I encourage everyone to do the same. :D

Yup... ;)

I Think lakedragger is a real pole smoker. He probably sells his *** on the street too.

"Hey baby, me love you long time for champion plastic"

How sad to see a man prostituting his morals for a couple bucks or some plastic. The lowest ***** in hollywood has more class and dignity than that guy. At least she's selling something that's hers.

Good luck getting your disc back.

give him 1 more chance then post his info!!!!! maybe we can teach this *** a lesson!!!

Well so far he hasn't emailed me or called me to get the disc back. But please keep on him guys and gals. I am sure he will break.

Josh

Josh,

You playing in the Homie's this weekend in Cedar Lake, IN?

Is that in Northern IN? I might then, but I don't have a place to stay or the cash for a hotel.

Is there a link about the event?

Ill be at the Homie this weekend :D

Great tournament and great course. Maybe ill make the final nine this year :D

Its the second to last event for the Illiana Fall Series. I havent seen anything about that event specifically, other than an Illiana Series Schedule. The last leg of it being the 4th Princess City Open in Mishawaka, IN on the 24th. Both are B tier events. The flyer says to contact Brian Cummings @ catalystpro@earthlink.net. Hope to see you there so we can bash on that IA a**hole some more!

Is there a website you can point me too? I need some more info. Like how much is it for Adv Men Division, when is the actual tournament?

Also if I do decide to go I might head down there Friday night, is there anyone that can let me crash on someones sofa?

Advanced is 38 bucks. That doesnt include ace pool or ctps or anything like that. The tournament is sunday the 10th and Lemon Lake Park i believe. I would say get there around 7 or so if you havent sent in a pre reg because last year there were over 150 people at this event and IM SURE it will fill so if you havent done your reg yet get there EARLY. Maybe we can shoot a round or something together on saturday.

http://www.channelzdj.com/red_roc_disc_golf_tournaments.htm

is the best site I could find on it. Hope to see you there! :D

I'd let you sleep here in the apartment but I live in Mishawaka, IN, better than an hour east of the event! Also, not sure how the gf would handle that, shes ****** Im playing everyday this weekend as it is....lol! :p

Cool thanks for the link. I will talk to my wife and see if I am able to go. It shouldn't be a problem. Does anyone else have extra sofa or room for a fellow disc golfer?

cb,

Your coming from the motor city to play? Thats a long drive dude! I know I-94 will be a fun ride! What kind of automotive parts sales you in? I used to work for a distributor of truck accs in Elkhart, IN for years. Just curious! :D

Discgolf,
do you just dye discs for fun or do you do it as a side job? saw your avatar and the infamous discs and I would love to get some cool artwork to throw. Let me know what your story is... thanks.

I have been dying as a side job here and there for the past 3 years. I take requests and/or just do random spin/splatter dyes.

I noticed my disc that I lost at Worlds in Iowa and so I bid on the item (widiscgolf) and get the sellers contact info. Please advice that I have contacted this seller explaining this is my disc that I lost at Worlds in Iowa. I hope this guy will be a HONEST Disc Golfer and returns my disc. My name and phone number and PDGA# are on the inside rim. I just don't know why this guy wouldn't have the respect to call me or contact me through PDGA with my PDGA#? I talk to him tonight briefly, and he tried to get out of getting it back to me. He knew he should have called but didn't.

Look at the description, he tried to lie and pass it off as his own disc. WTF!!

He wrote:

I wrote my name on it and decided that it was too rare to throw. I attempted to remove my name from the inner rim of the disc, but there is still a faint outline of my name and number.

What a dishonest person and disc golfer. The link is below.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=79804&item=7105985704&rd=1

Josh



Just wanted to remind everyone and myself what this topic is really about. hehe

Hey I emailed that "got_disc" guy... asking him to retract his bid... I dunno maybe you can get this thing legally for like 2.50$ - that'd be sweet

And the SPAM continues!!!!

Its only like a 3.5 hour drive man and the course is great and the people are cool and its a memorial for a really great guy from what i hear. Im also trying to play the most sanctioned tournaments out of anyone in the PDGA. After i play this one i will have i think 35. Plus 3.5 hours is nothing i drove to Bowling Green Kentucky and to Indiana for the Michiana Open and to Columbus for the Brent Hambrick and up to Harbor Springs MI which is 4.5 hour 4 times this year so its not even really a trip for me :D

Plus i want to give TAFE and run for his money and make the Final Nine this year ;) I need redemption from last year i shot at 811 rated round and a 860 rated round or something so i NEED redemption.

See you guys in a couple days :D

I didnt forget, Ive been sitting here spamming the hell out him......I bet when he gets out of class and checks his mail, hes gonna have 100 or more in the ole in box! LoL! What a richard!

CB, have a little trouble at Ox Bow during the Michiana Open? Tough course aint it?

Im heading over to Lemon Lake tomorrow to get the heads up on the course. Ive never played it! Id hate to play it blind and do bad, this way I can know where the holes are and still play it bad......lol!

You know I wish we could find someone in Iowa to pull a captklank on this POS and toss his bag into a lake. (No disrespect to you captklank, just like the F U attitude and taking action without killing the SOB.)

Question for ebay seller xdragthelakex:

How can you sell an item you know is not yours? Your seller name is quite appropriate considering this may be what they have to do to find your body if I ever run into you! :mad:

CB, have a little trouble at Ox Bow during the Michiana Open? Tough course aint it?



Tough yes and stupid too. Half the holes there have NO FAIRWAY or line to the basket. I think its in need of some clearing befor it becomes a GOOD COURSE. Right now its just HARD and IMO half the holes are poke and hope

CB, have a little trouble at Ox Bow during the Michiana Open? Tough course aint it?



Tough yes and stupid too. Half the holes there have NO FAIRWAY or line to the basket. I think its in need of some clearing befor it becomes a GOOD COURSE. Right now its just HARD and IMO half the holes are poke and hope



Yup, the course reminds me of my ex-wife; a REAL B*TCH! :p

You know I wish we could find someone in Iowa to pull a captklank on this POS and toss his bag into a lake. (No disrespect to you captklank, just like the F U attitude and taking action without killing the SOB.)



Dann Shultz "Frisbeemaster" on eBay lives in Iowa. Maybe Dann can help.

I'm checking into this more ... but one idea I had is maybe you should bid on this ... I mean, go for it ... Bid like $10, 000 dollars or even higher. The seller will probably freak out, because as a seller you will get charged a HUGE fee if it sells for this amount.
I have heard of ebay scammers being stopped buy buyers who use this tactic. I'm trying to find out what ebay's policy is about this kind of thing.

I'm headed down to Homie's on Saturday. We don't have a place to stay yet so I'm thinking we'll probably get a hotel. If you want in that would be cool, cheaper $$$ per night :)

Who all is coming with you Chris??? The best lefty in the world perhaps???

Question for ebay seller xdragthelakex:

How can you sell an item you know is not yours? Your seller name is quite appropriate considering this may be what they have to do to find your body if I ever run into you! :mad:


did you read his description , he claims it is a brand new never been thrown disc.I read his e-mail reply he admits to finding it .that is a clear case of fraud isnt it?

Chris:

I see the tournament is on Sunday. Are you guys car pooling? When are you coming back to Wisconsin?

We won't be going back to Wisconsin for awhile, probably October 19th I think. Keiths going to be there too, but he's coming down in his own car. Me and Mike Schweiger are car pooling down there.

Spammed the guy again today. What a loser!

I just talked to Warren. He is going to see about getting to stay with him and his friend. Not 100% sure though. If not I will for sure take you up on sharing the room. Also looks like Warren is leaving today to go there. You should PM your phone so I can follow you and Schweger down on Saturday to Homie.

I'm checking into this more ... but one idea I had is maybe you should bid on this ... I mean, go for it ... Bid like $10, 000 dollars or even higher. The seller will probably freak out, because as a seller you will get charged a HUGE fee if it sells for this amount.
I have heard of ebay scammers being stopped buy buyers who use this tactic. I'm trying to find out what ebay's policy is about this kind of thing.



Concert tapers, the guys who are allowed to openly do it at the likes of Phish, the Dead, etc, have been known to bid up recordings of theirs and others found on eBay to the million dollar mark. I believe 10 million is the max.

Josh,

pretty sh;tty about all of this!!! I know I emailed him a few days back letting him know what I thought about it all.

I noticed that this disc is now no longer listed....Does this mean he gave in to all the spam??? Are you getting it back?? Good luck!!

I just got back from dinner and noticed it was ended. He has not called me or emailed me.

So I called him to ask him what is going. He explain that he pulled it off ebay because he was getting all this crap from everyone. Witch I thank everyone for. A dishonest and greedy person like him deserves that. He then explained that he will not post it again on ebay and that he will not give it back to me. He back tracks again and said he will try to find other ways to get the cash. I explained to him that if he loved this sport, if he was honest and respectful he would have gave it back to me. I said now you just made every disc golfer on the PDGA mad and everyone in his area will nolonger have respect for him. Then he hung up on me.

So if anyone wants to help me out and try to get this disc back personally in his area (Ames, Iowa) I will offer 10 free custom dyes on your own discs.

Sincerely,

Josh Hamm
PDGA#20525

Like everyone else has said...what a stupid [*****]. Your name and number were on the back and it should be returned no matter what. I have found many discs, many with names and numbers (called those people) and many without names (few kept and few left). I wrote down this idiots email address and plan to spam like crazy. Idiots like this shouldnt be allowed to deal with the public.

sorry about the *****...didnt realize that would happen

No problem. Thanks again everyone for the support. I hope I can get this disc somehow and someday. This guys is just a prick in my books.

i have been following this story and totally agree with the majority. the nickel theory was funny... and i tried but its pretty hard to put your name AND phone number on a nickel. i actually emailed him about being "interested" in the disc and he returned email talking to me like i was 5.... whatever made him remove the bidding is good, but it totally sux that you're still w/o your disc. i am a firm believer in KARMA, and if i lived in iowa, i "WOULD" find him for ya. BTW, where is iowa???

This guys is just a prick in my books.



I couldn't agree more!

I thought for sure I had won auctions that this dillhole had but I just checked and I have not. I know for sure I have bid on his items, however that will change. I know and expect that if an RCer (random chucker) finds your disc you are out of luck, unfortunatly that is just the way it is. I think until someone gets a lost disc back they don't understand how cool and right it is. Knocking someones teeth in or giving them a perminant limp is not the answer to the problem but I do like the idea of throwing his bag in the river :D. It has to be a river, to easy to get it out of a lake! I would love to know his name. I am about three hours away from Ames but make the trip to play the courses when I can. I also know a couple guys attending ISU. It would be a shame if I found one of his discs in the fairway! Who knows, maybe you will get your disc back some day. Stranger things have happened! Until then, keep the good karma going and you will recieve just reward!

Thanks everyone! My game is getting better and better as we speak. Ha-ha. I hope this guy learns his lesson. I just don't understand this guy. He doesn't get it at all, he thinks that if a lost disc with a name, number, and PDGA# is open game. I have no respect for this guy.

Again, thanks for all the support.

josh
thanks for the week of great reading kinda like a nancy drew book can't wait to see how the story ends :D

Obviously I would like to see it end with getting my disc back, but I don't see that happening since this guy is a dishonest prick.

discgolf, I feel your pain, I have lost about 7 discs in the last couple years and only found 1(unmarked). Thought you guys might like to see the last message I sent the prick in question....

Let me guess, you found the disc and are too much of a weenie arm to throw a firebird properly. So you take some alcohol and try to rub the owners name and contact info off without ever trying to contact him. You put it on ebay and LIE about the origins of the disc. Which makes me doubt if you're telling the truth about where and when you found it.

I disagree with you in the fact that I believe this is a concern of mine as a fellow disc golfer. Follow proper etiquette and send the disc back to the owner. You've got a whole group of people thinking you're an *******. Do yourself a favor and do the right thing.

... to discgolf in West Bend ... you are accurate as to your "game" improving ... you've been wronged (at this point) and it doesn't appear that our e-mails or other efforts will rectify this ... call it "Karma" ... call it "LadyLuck" ... by whatever nomenclature , "good vibes" will follow you around and manifest as improved shots , long putts going in , just "plain ol' good luck" ... doesn't require superstition ... it's just the way it is ... :cool:
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and , as you may suspect , this "inDrag 'n' Ache" jerk will find the other end of the spectrum to follow him for the rest of his days ... kinda like the lil' cartoon character with the dark raincloud perpetually over his head ... kinda tuff , but entirely his fault ...

I like hearing that. I enjoy knowing karma will get him in the end.

I just got back from dinner and noticed it was ended. He has not called me or emailed me.

So I called him to ask him what is going. He explain that he pulled it off ebay because he was getting all this crap from everyone. Witch I thank everyone for. A dishonest and greedy person like him deserves that. He then explained that he will not post it again on ebay and that he will not give it back to me. He back tracks again and said he will try to find other ways to get the cash. I explained to him that if he loved this sport, if he was honest and respectful he would have gave it back to me. I said now you just made every disc golfer on the PDGA mad and everyone in his area will nolonger have respect for him. Then he hung up on me.

So if anyone wants to help me out and try to get this disc back personally in his area (Ames, Iowa) I will offer 10 free custom dyes on your own discs.

Sincerely,

Josh Hamm
PDGA#20525

lady luck, karma...whatever. I emailed the guy the other night after reading the whole story, mess with one disc golfer...mess with the rest. I ended up playing a doubles round today with some friends and shot 3 under (still ended up losing on the sudden death playoff game). Maybe I should randomly email people, ride them up and down about anything and go have a great round the next day.

Well I have seen some great support from everyone here on this thread. We all know that xdragthelakex will have bad karma for the rest of his disc golf years until he returns my disc back. He deserves to get 110% bad karma for not doing so.

But I also wanted to reflect on another person who has earned my friendship and respect. I had the pleasure shooting with him at Worlds this year. I am talking about oxalate (John Cavaletto). After he read about what happened in this thread he took it upon himself to make things right on his own. This is what he wrote me:


Josh,

A replacement CE FX will be on its way tomorrow morning. Sorry, not you�re sweet dyed FX, but perhaps a worthy replacement - I don't want anything other than knowing it will be used. I hate seeing good people I know get screwed over. Good luck and see you around!

John

:cool:

That is one classy guy. Again thanks everyone and thank you John.


Sincerely,

Josh Hamm
PDGA#20525

Now thats karma!

Yup, John is one class act!

WOW!

Talk about Karma!

I love it!

You're telling me. Karma is a flowing!!!! :cool:

I hope the guy selling your disc (ESPECIALLY after actually speaking to you, seeing as how YOUR name is on it) rots in hell and gets so much crap talk that he quits playing.

Everyone is assuming that this guy plays DG. I've seen quite a few people hang out at our local courses for the express purpose of looking for discs (rivers, ponds, etc.). We had 1 tourney where there were at least 10 discs in a pond (extreme winds that day) and all of them were gone by the end of the round. These kids go sell them at the local stores for cash. Heck, there have been cases of kids running across a fairway, grabbing a disc, and then running off!

I've also had experiences where I've accidentally left a disc behind and then went to retrieve it 1-2 holes later. The only group that could have possibly passed by that hole 'never saw it'. I guess the disc fairy took it...

We were playing a local course a few weeks back and one of the holes has an OB to the right of the fairway, its a street. One of the groups behind me had a player that threw one into the street. Before they could get down there and get the disc, a car full of a bunch of younger folk, stopped, picked up the disc and drove off screaming and yelling profanities! Not only was it immature, it was just down right rude! We almost got the complete license plate number so I could have my 'cop buddy' look into it, but they drove off very fast once they seen about 12 people running down the hill after them! I tell ya, kids these days! :confused:

Man that would just **** me off. A friend of mine had a disc stolen that way. He drove on a hole where some players were walking off and looking for there own disc and when my buddy got down to the hole it was gone. The punk kids took it.

Josh

::UPDATE::

Well yesterday I received in the mail from John Cavaletto a brand new CE FX Firebird replacement. An exact replacement all ready for me to dye and stick in my bag. I was almost in tears when I opened the package. John is one outstanding person and player. I had the honor to shoot with him at worlds. He doesn't want me to pay for it, but I will tell you this he has earned my friendship for life and a free dye job anytime he wants.


::UPDATE #2::

I also have had numerous emails from the local Iowa club members expressing there support in retrieving my disc back for me. The hunt is on and is looking really good. It is looking hopeful. One of the emails is from a friend of the Dean of Students at ISU where this prick is attending. There is an ISU policy for selling stolen goods on eBay. So they are going to put some pressure on him there. So ( dragthelakex ) if you are watching and reading this you better wise up!!! How cool is that!!! Again, I appreciate all the support!!

Sincerely,

Josh Hamm
PDGA#20525

karma is a great thing!!! especially in this case!! :D

i'm glad someone sent you a disc. i just saw this thread and was about to offer you a ce firebird, but it is orange and probably not the best for dyeing.

Any color is fine by me. Just kidding I appreciate the offer though.

Update:

Well the ISU has been notified about this individual. It is amatter of time now. We will see. Wish me luck.

Josh

Lots of luck and good karma!! :D

Since there hasnt been a post here in a few days I assume, Josh, you have not heard from ISU as to the status of this?

Also, whats the planned dye job for your new disc from John?

Nope I have not heard any new updates on my disc from ISU dude.

I dyed the new one already. Here it is. I done a few somewhat similar to this that I liked. So I did another. I'm even drooling..... I'll probably be too scared to throw it. So it's going to be on the wall until I need to use it. Which might be soon; there is a couple in my bag that are starting to get too beat in.

http://www.widiscgolf.com/mkdye/cefirebirdfx.jpg

Thats bad ***** dude! Looks good! I may have to send you some plastic and a check....lol! :p

Thats bad ***** dude! Looks good! I may have to send you some plastic and a check....lol! :p



me too :D

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I'm drooling over that disc you dyed. How do you do it?

WOW Josh AWSOME DYES :D


How many disc's did you go through in the early day's to get to where you are at now? :D

It took 50 dyes to get a standard down. I am still learning. The key thing is patience.

Well no word so far. I'm starting to think everyone has given up. I'm trying to stay hopeful.

Josh Hamm
PDGA#20525

:D

Here is a recap.



I noticed my disc that I lost at Worlds in Iowa and so I bid on the item (widiscgolf) and get the sellers contact info. Please advice that I have contacted this seller explaining this is my disc that I lost at Worlds in Iowa. I hope this guy will be a HONEST Disc Golfer and returns my disc. My name and phone number and PDGA# are on the inside rim. I just don't know why this guy wouldn't have the respect to call me or contact me through PDGA with my PDGA#? I talk to him tonight briefly, and he tried to get out of getting it back to me. He knew he should have called but didn't.

Look at the description, he tried to lie and pass it off as his own disc. WTF!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=79804&item=7105985 704&rd=1


His eBay ID is xdragthelakex. I do have his real name and phone number, but I don't know if it is right for me to post it publicly here. See how honest I am for this prick. PM me if anyone wants to talk about this with more details.

I appreciate the boycott emails to this dishonest guy. I hope that will help, but I doubt it. After he called me last night and told me he wanted $50 for it and that he didn't care that he lied in the listing saying it was his. Laughing at me in the process. He said he was a student and he needed the cash.

He was at worlds as a spectator and found it the day it was lost. He said he knew he should of returned it or at least returned it to lost and found, but he said he didn�t care and wanted to make some money off it.



I just got back from dinner and noticed it was ended. He has not called me or emailed me.

So I called him to ask him what is going. He explain that he pulled it off ebay because he was getting all this crap from everyone. Witch I thank everyone for. A dishonest and greedy person like him deserves that. He then explained that he will not post it again on ebay and that he will not give it back to me. He back tracks again and said he will try to find other ways to get the cash. I explained to him that if he loved this sport, if he was honest and respectful he would have gave it back to me. I said now you just made every disc golfer on the PDGA mad and everyone in his area will nolonger have respect for him. Then he hung up on me.

So if anyone wants to help me out and try to get this disc back personally in his area (Ames, Iowa) I will offer 20 free custom dyes on your own discs.

Sincerely,

Josh Hamm
PDGA#20525


Side note, would it be wrong of me to post the information about him that I got from other disc golfers in his area on this thread?

no- it would not be wrong. i am about to post the name and phone # of a guy who ripped me off on the "i think i got ripped off thread" people should know who these folks are and exert pressure on them. these are not grey areas--it is cut and dried right and wrong. good luck

I need more feedback on this before I decide to post his info. Here is the question.


I have the pricks info who stole my disc and tried to sell it on ebay. Would it be ok to post his info here on this thread or not???

Steven:

If this is about that guy in OR, I haven't seen his name on our local board in a while, so it would be interesting to know his real name. Maybe a few of us Portlanders will see him out golfing sometime and be able to talk sense into him.

Post it!

I'll call his ***. :mad:

again & again & again & again. :D

Here is his student info:

Name: ADAM JARED RHOADES
Phone: 515-572-3821
Email: arhoades@iastate.edu
Department: PRE-LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE
Univ Address: 244 LINDEN MERRILL
City/State: AMES IA 50013
Home City/State: CEDAR FALLS IA
Classification: FRESHMAN

At least the only adam rhoades in the ISU directory. Hope that helps.

I think that was a good call.
He might not give your disc back but he'll have to change his phone number. Screw him.

I just send him an e-mail.....
See if he wants to sell the Firebird to me. I'll pay up to five bucks, and then I'll send it back to you.

Just curious how much he wants for it. That scumbag.

He was trying to get $50 for it. Fricking prick he is.

just sent him a email asking him if they offer classes on
HOW TO BE A MAN
i wounder if this guy is going to lose any sleep over this
good luck

WiDi,
are you gonna put up some more of that sweet platic of yours on e-bay. I bought some cool stuff from you in the past. :D

I think that it might be time to let this whole deal just go. You aren't going to get this disc back so why beat a dead horse. I mean I know it sux to loose a disc but is it really worth all of the trouble?

Na We'll keep it going. Is that ok with you anonymous Goose241? Seeing how you haven't put even your name or pdga# in your profile. We have no clue who you are.

Yeah I am really going to put my information in my profile so you guys can start spamming me next that would be smart. I think that you are all acting like a bunch of punk kids out on the playground.

Well you know who I am and I have to agree. You got a replacement disc from a good soul and this other jerk will have Karma serve him. I say let it be, but thats just me.

Trust me I was letting it be. I was asked to post his info. So it is done and I let it be.

Goose,

You're funny. It is nothing like that. I just think it is very impersonal not knowing the person we are have a conversation with that's all. There is nothing immature about that, but the complete opposite. I'm sorry if I came off that way buddy. I didn't want to **** you off or anything like that.

Josh,

you have a PM

Erick,

You have a PM. lol

I have to agree here, just let it go Josh.


Well you know who I am and I have to agree. You got a replacement disc from a good soul and this other jerk will have Karma serve him. I say let it be, but thats just me.

Trust me I was letting it be. I was asked to post his info. So it is done and I let it be.



As I already said.....

Kalamazoo has this little putter course right off campus, and local bums hang out in the dirty pond, finding discs to sell. Alright whatever, you gotta do what you gotta do to survive. A couple years ago, I was showing some friends what disc golf was, and they had launched one into the pond. (Mind you his hole has the basket on a skinny type peninsula so even a putt could go in if deflected just right) And so I'm thinking... sweet he's already in the pond and has it. So I say hey thanks, but then he's like what's it worth to you? I tried arguing, but then he just puts in back in the water and is like, fine you come and get it then. So I gave him my 2 cents and we continued to the next whole.
As with all sports, the larger they get the more people. Which brings the punks who destroy, litter, and people such as these.

NO WAY you should let it go. This guy has a serious beating coming to him. I wish I still lived in Elkhart and could go over and do it myself. People like him and Hank in my opinion are just wasting oxygen. I think its awesome someone gave you a new one, and a shame if it goes on the wall. Im gonna email the bum after this and watch his [*****] on ebay. Im on couple times a day and will ride him any chance I get until you get your disc back. Good job to all the other golfers helping you also. Dont stop until justice is served and let us know what happens.

Jon Taylor

sorry its been awhile...but i'm still around to help. I'll be emailing slappy a few more times. And since certain info. was giving, maybe real letter or 2.

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What kind of JACKAZZZ would find a disc at worlds and not put it in the lost and found.

The same kind of JACKAZZZ that did not return my 10X KC Roc from 2004 TX States.