I was wondering how Gateways "S" Plastic compares with Innova DX plastic.

Gateway S plastic is much more durrable than Innova DX plastic. It is much more grippy in any conditions, especially in cold conditions. S plastic is more stiff than DX, and some people may not like the stiffness.

In my opinion, S is far, far superior to DX, even to X and Pro! It's superior grip and wear charachteristics make it one of the best plastics available. I have a S Demon that is over 2 years old and has yet to get knicked!!

Taken from the Gateway site:


Polymers


Our "S-series" or matted version of our discs is a high end version of the "dx" or "d" plastic of our competitors. This type of polymer offers a firm solid feel, grippy surface, and is great in the rain or extreme heat. The "S-series" allows the disc to break in slowly without changing the flight characteristics after just a few hits.


The new "H-series" is a smooth shiny blend of polyesters formulated by DuPont engineers for our discs golf discs. Its characteristics included awesome abrasion resistance, resiliency, memory, and bright vivid colors. The smooth surface allows for greater speed as well as a longer glide. The polymer is very grippy and flexible even I extremely cold weather.



Our pro-line polymer is called the "Evolution series". Gateway Golf Discs have evolved into the front runner in polymer technology with these new polymers. The Evolution series polymer, a TPU from BASF, has a surface durometer of 60 D-shore. It is almost scratch, scuff, dent, crack, and chip proof. The durability is as good as any plastic on the market. The smooth surface and low profiles make each model a little faster than the "H-series" while still very comfortable in your hand.

Thanks Graham!

I was beaten to the punch!

To sum up what everyone else has said... its some [email protected] good *****.

gateway definately has some interesting plastic types. I must admit so far that I"ve only thrown an E and H Speed Demon and they feel way different. The H is pretty flexible and when it hits the ground it bounces and dies pretty close, while the E takes some huge skips.

I really need to try some more of the Gaetway discs one of these days.

Would you say it is like KC Pro Roc Plastic?

^^No, not at all. I would say that it's much different than any other plastic. Think very grippy and very stiff- almost so stiff that it seems like it would break if you hit a tree, but its actually very durable and almost unbreakable.

Would you say it is like KC Pro Roc Plastic?



No. I've found 11x KC plastic to be waxy. Gateway S is completely matte and very grippy. The grip is so good that the plastic seems to grab your fingers, even in wet conditions. S is more stiff than 11x KC roc plastic.

Just try some. You'll understand!

You guys talked me into it...Once the PDGA season is over, I will be calling Gateway to try some of their discs.
I think I will try the Sabre in S & E, the Illusion and an E Wizard (can't change my putter, but my Aviar Driver could be replaced)
Thanks,
Matt

You guys talked me into it...Once the PDGA season is over, I will be calling Gateway to try some of their discs.
I think I will try the Sabre in S & E, the Illusion and an E Wizard (can't change my putter, but my Aviar Driver could be replaced)
Thanks,
Matt



"E" Wizards put Aviar Drivers to shame!! :cool::D ;)

"E" Wizards put Aviar Drivers to shame!! :cool::D ;)



I am still horribly partial to my S Wizards. They beat up a little, but you can't tell that once you throw em. They look beaten, but they fly like brand new.

I agree. If theres any kind of moisture, I reach for the good ole "S"ure Grip!!!

"E" Wizards put Aviar Drivers to shame!! :cool::D ;)



I haven't had good driving experience with my E Wizard. It's one of the Orange domey ones though, so maybe I should try another. I was throwing 250' hysers with my S wizards the other day, and 300' anhysers! Not bad, in my opinion!

I just got some Illusions, and they are FAST! I was just tossing one around a little and I stuck it into a wall! I was throwing about 30 percent! I can't wait to test these things on the course today. This might just be that magic disc everyone keeps trying to find! I love the slightly convex shape of the wing too! If you look at thr profile, the wing looks almost the same wether its on the top of the disc or the bottom.

I had a E Wizard and thought It was JUNK.

I think that of any putter in premium plastic,with the exception of the first run CE Omegas and Aviars,which I dont use very often anyway,just dont care for them in high end plastic.

I kind of agree...the Champion Aviar sucks!!!! But the E wizard is the best of the current Premium putters, in my opinion. Still, I would always prefer a S Wiz over a E Wiz.

Chase,
Maybe when I come up and visit Pat you and I can play a round or 2 together. You seem to be all WET when commenting on our discs and could use an in person aerial display
To call an E wizard Junk is a little aggressive and obviously a very personal opinion.
My question is how to you base your evaluations?
What would you say is the strong part of your game?

I have a firmer "E" Wizard, and I can pump that thing out farther than the Firm "S" Wizards. The thing is just a pig! Its not that its Demonly overstable, it just has a HUGE resistance to turning over! You can rip it as hard as you can, just like a driver, and it might turn a litttle, but come back! But there is no sacrifce for comfort. Throw "S" Firms if thats what works for you!!

I sent you a Pm.......Because I dont care for any putter in champion plastic with the exception of the first Omegas and Aviars.Those are the only ones that to me didnt feel oversized and domey.I like a hard/firm type of putter and dont worry about the life of the disc I use for approachs,which was the only other argument that would sway my impression.If this makes you happy: I think all putters in premium plastic are JUNK.With the exception of those mentioned above which I rarely use anyway because I like the control and feel of KC and DX plastic.When I threw Wizards it was only in the DX type plastic,anyway.

Something interesting I've found with S plastic is the way it takes certain types of damage. I won't dispute the fact that overall it's more durable than many types of plastic, I have found that there are certain types of damage that it doensn't take well. If you manage to hit something at all sharp you can actually end up removing a chunk of plastic. I managed to hit a grill with a Soft Wizard and it literally shaved off a piece of plastic. Yesterday my Illusion took a dive into a rock and there was a bit of plastic hanging off that I was able to pull off with my fingers. I've hit similar things with other types of plastic and usually it's just that the plastic gets sort of pushed around and gouged (a glancing blow off a tree with DX plastic is a good example of that). I'm guessing it's because the S plastic is that much more stiff than most other disc golf plastics out there. Gummier plastics like candy discs and some of the X and Pro line discs seem to resist this type of damage a lot better. Perhaps because they give a bit more when they strike something.

The good news is that neither of those incidents have really altered the flights of the discs drastically. I did notice that the Wizard turned over a little easier and faded less, but it wasn't as big of a change as I was expecting; I can still throw it straight with ease. The Illusion didn't really change at all.

I'm not saying that this is anything bad about the plastic, just something interesting that I observed.

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I've found the opposite to be true. I have never had anything take a significant chunk out of one of my S discs, but Wizards will look like trash after a couple weeks. Their flights never really change though!

I can't believe you took a piece out of your Illusion! I just got a few a cpoule days ago and that wing looks like it wouldn't let anything take a bite out of it! I threw this thing into some trees, HARD, and it didn't even ding. It's a great disc!

I don't have any significant dings on any of my S plastic except for my wizards. Those things get abused because I use them for everything, but like everyone says... its not visible in the flight of the disc. Comparing it to Discraft D plastic, I hit the yellow collar on the top of an Innova DisCatcher pretty hard with a MRV and it looked like I had taken a knife and started cutting a huge chunk out of the rim. The gouge was at least an inch into the plastic. Never seen anything like that with my S plastic, but I must admit I haven't ever hit anything as hard as the MRV slammed down into the collar. (was a nice upshot tap in though)

Ive ruined discs from all companies by hitting stuff.Some hits are worse than others but I dont think any companies DX plastic is better than others at least in my case.I wouldve dented metal discs with some of the crap Ive plunked at the speeds that they hit.

I can't believe you took a piece out of your Illusion! I just got a few a cpoule days ago and that wing looks like it wouldn't let anything take a bite out of it! I threw this thing into some trees, HARD, and it didn't even ding. It's a great disc!



I was suprised to find the ding, too. I hit a few trees pretty hard a couple of holes earlier and could only feel some slight scuffing. I'm not sure if I'm more impressed with the plastic for being able to take tree hits that well, or with me for being able to actually damage the disc. ;)

I'm not sure if I'll have the oppertunity yet this season, but I'm excited to try it on a more damaging course than the ones I normally play to get it beat in a bit more.

heres one for all: A apology.beleive it.As a man of my word I feel its only fair to say that last night i re tested my E-Wiz.It did alot better this time.Maybe its cause my season is winding down or whatever but last time I threw this disc was in the spring/early summer,and after using it for object in a park last night,with no choice what to throw as my bag and my buddys was at home and I still had this in the back of his truck as I was trying to sell it and I have to say:I still dont like premium putters but this was by far the best I have thrown since the original CE Omegas.it held great lines with max d.I couldnt throw this thing hard enough to flip it on hyser.It would flex but would come back everytime.I threw this 300ft easy.It was very beefy and I dont like it as a putter or from 150-200ft in unless there was a strong wind,which I think id be great for because of the stability.But as far as a driver it {much like the regular Wiz] was a great for the shots I threw.remember that I use KCs and they are very close to each other.I still dont like putters in premium plastic but felt I owed it to Dave to produce the results.Its all dumb luck as I had no choice in what putters to use,and threw it honestly,and it did perform.It is not JUNK.

Do all the elements that have been sent out and made available to consumers say "Prototype"

I held one today (didn't get a chance to throw it) a 180 "proto" element and it felt a little gummy - not alot but just a touch.

Are they all like this?

Do all the elements that have been sent out and made available to consumers say "Prototype"

I held one today (didn't get a chance to throw it) a 180 "proto" element and it felt a little gummy - not alot but just a touch.

Are they all like this?



All of the ones I got for the Widdershins are stamped prototype, but you knew that already.

Do all the elements that have been sent out and made available to consumers say "Prototype"

I held one today (didn't get a chance to throw it) a 180 "proto" element and it felt a little gummy - not alot but just a touch.

Are they all like this?



Mine are just the same at Blazes and Sabres...perty stiff.

What S plastic color is the stiffest?

What S plastic color is the stiffest?



Its been my expirience that with the exception of the softer runs of Black "S", color doesn't play too much of a role for "S" plastic.

Do all the elements that have been sent out and made available to consumers say "Prototype"

I held one today (didn't get a chance to throw it) a 180 "proto" element and it felt a little gummy - not alot but just a touch.

Are they all like this?



What plastic was it? B/C the "S" Element is stiff, the "H"/"E" a tad softer, and the "E" being comparable to most Innova DX discs. (Flexibility speaking)

Do all the elements that have been sent out and made available to consumers say "Prototype"

I held one today (didn't get a chance to throw it) a 180 "proto" element and it felt a little gummy - not alot but just a touch.

Are they all like this?



Diron,

We got in the player's packs first run E Elements. According to Dave these are the "gummiest" of all the E Elements. Subsequent runs in the E should be firmer than what we have. I also have to S Elements and they are super firm and great to through.

Do all the elements that have been sent out and made available to consumers say "Prototype"

I held one today (didn't get a chance to throw it) a 180 "proto" element and it felt a little gummy - not alot but just a touch.

Are they all like this?



Diron,

We got in the player's packs first run E Elements. According to Dave these are the "gummiest" of all the E Elements. Subsequent runs in the E should be firmer than what we have. I also have to S Elements and they are super firm and great to through.



The "S" Element is great b/c of this. I have both and "S" and a "H"/"E" in the bag. They compliment each other pretty good, and with the addition of the ElementX, I will be set. "CE" plastic is very nice, and still grips decent enough.