It has come to my attention as a state coordinator that there is considerable difference between asking someone to "please not do something" in terms of a rules violation and actually stating "I am giving you a courtesy warning for X offense, rule # XXX.XX".
While I do consider "Please do not do that" a courtsey warning that should be headed, that statement may not be interpreted as such to the parties involved.

While there is some reluctance among players to call rules violations, we should all consider it our obligation to do so, and do so in a formal way.
Make sure if you are in a situation that warrants a courtsey warning, you let the player know the infraction, state that it is a warning, and make sure the entire group witnessing the call hears you.

This will eliminate confusion for the TD if a penalty is considered.

Sincerely,
Sue Anne Beym
Georgia

The formality of the warning is really the noting of the warning on the score card. By not noting the warning on the score card you are also not following the rules (technically the person keeping score is not following the rules).

Scoring:
804.03.C. Warnings and penalty throws given to a player for rules infractions should be noted on the scorecard.

Courtesy:
801.01.C. Refusal to perform an action expected by the rules, such as assisting in the search for a lost disc, moving discs or equipment, or keeping score properly, etc., is a courtesy violation.

Though warnings and penalty throws are not required to be recorded (should be noted), they are expected to be recorded and should result in a courtesy violation for the scorer if omitted.

So, the score keeper gets stroked if he don't stroke somebody? I have a question...who the helll is going to stroke the people who didn't stroke the score keeper for not stroking the guy.

The llamas.

It's only a stroke if there was a previous courtesy violation.

As a TD, I can tell you that I am powerless to do anything unless the players actually make the calls. Noting warning and penalties on the card is essential.

I can't tell you how many times people come up after the round to try and report something that did not call at the time. Sorry. Make the call. Make the call properly and I guarrantee you that I will back you up and it will stand. But nothing can happen if you don't make the call and note it on the scorecard.

I had this shmuck in a foursome during an event just this weekend. The two other girls I was playing with didn't seem that informed about the rules (It was PDGA sanctioned). I feel like I screwed up a few times but not saying anything, even though I'm new and on glue also. It was three of us AM Women and a AM guy, he was in last place in his division.

this was my second tournament, one chicks first tourney, and I don't know about the other girl, her scores were comparable to mine though, and didn't seem very experienced.

1) The guy was holding back a branch during his shot. And of course I saw him, but I didn't say anything until after he made his shot. I just said "hey, that's not allowed" He just kinda mumbled something in response.

2) the same guy, lost his disc on a drive. We look for it. I'm well aware of the time limit and I mention it a couple of times as we've been looking a about 5 minutes now, even other people from a different group helped. HE DIDN"T KNOW WHAT TO DO IF HE COULDN"T FIND HIS DISC. No, he's not a new player. just a drunk *******. He was informed to take his drive from where he last saw the disc. He spent another 3-4 minutes looking for his disc, then he jsut re-drive. We ended up leaving him behind to finish the hole. :mad:

3) One of the chicks, (the one who had played a tourney before) decided she wanted to make a second shot after her drive. Now my mistake of course was not saying anything. Which I wasn't sure about but I didn't stop her. She did it twice. (I'm kicking myself for this) Clarification - She said it was jsut for Sh*its and Giggles

4) This same girl walked ahead of everyone (even when some one was making a shot) every single hole!!!

4) Speed of play - a friggin joke. the guy and one of the girls babbled and babbled while it was their shot, standing by their disc taking way more than 30 seconds on their shot just yapping away about nothing. This even after I had called speed of play because we had two groups behind us.



I could go on, but my lesson was I need to speak up if it become apparent people are willing to enter a tournament and not educate themselves on the rules, and display poor etiquitte. I understand its an obligation.

At least my first group was rad, everyone was perfect. It was a very good experience!. I'm a beginning player myself, but if there is one thing that I know that needs to be mastered first - its rules and etiquette.