Well, I'm retiring my champion beast as I can't throw it straight backhand (VERY Overstable!) It's kind of good for low sidearm anhyzer shots. I have a JLS (174 grams--same as beast) that I throw very nice and straight when I get a good level release. I'm thinking of getting a Teebird. Will the Teebird fly straighter than the JLS? If so, what weight should I get? I have a 167 g Champion Leopard that I throw on some drives, but It just doesn't get the distance of the JLS. Maybe a 169 - 172 g Teebird? Any suggestions appreciated.

I think a new DX Teebird might be a bit more overstable than a JLS (I've only thrown QJLSs) but nothing like a new DX Beast. The Pro Teebird-L's are a bit more understable than my QJLSs, but when thrown with a hyzer seem to be a little more straight and perhaps a tiny bit longer. However, they don't do as well with any sort of headwind and can get turned over pretty easily if you don't get enough hyzer on them.

Those are my observations, but YMMV. Both the Teebird and JLS are great, straight drivers. It's probably worth buying a DX Teebird in the 169-172 range to compare to your JLS to see which you like more. I'd also continue to use your Beast to get it beat in some more. I'm working to wear mine down a bit to see how it flies after taking a beating and it loses some of that overstability.

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Garublador makes a good point. I have one Beast that I use a lot (candy 158g), and I can throw it quite straight after 'seasoning' it a bit with the help of 100's of trees. :D Another idea would be to try a lighter Beast. Something in the 150's. They should be less overstable.

you should try a champion valkyrie, not quite as overstable as a beast and get one in the 168-170 range.
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Well, I'm retiring my champion beast as I can't throw it straight backhand (VERY Overstable!) It's kind of good for low sidearm anhyzer shots.




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The beast always turns right on me, usually turns into a long helix.

The JLS and Teebird TL are very similar discs in my opinion. The Regular Teebird is more high speed stable, but also has extra fade. The DX Teebird is one of my favorite drivers, and I recommend it! The Champion is also a nice disc, but it's much more overstable.

The JLS and Teebird TL are very similar discs in my opinion. The Regular Teebird is more high speed stable, but also has extra fade. The DX Teebird is one of my favorite drivers, and I recommend it! The Champion is also a nice disc, but it's much more overstable.



Cool......................my JLS turns over more so than my T-bird.
Try the new TL. These may fly more like the QJLS.

jls, qjls, and cfr TL's all are similar, but the tl is less likely to turn over and has more fade(as someone before said). these discs are nice, but you will probably get more distance out of a beast. what weight are you throwing that is so overstable? i have a 175 BS beast that is waaay overstable. like a firebird! i have ok distance 350-400 and i usually throw 167-168 beasts. the old champion ones are also much less stable. but if a straight line flier is what yoiu want tbird and jls are the best bar none. get it light enough and beat up enough that you can turn it over and then release with slight hyzer. flips up and finishes straight!

I've used all three as my primary driver, and if the Beast is overstable for you, then the TeeBird might be too much also. I was flipping my Beast over, so I switched to the TeeBird as it is less flippy. I would suggest the JLS (QJLS) for you out of these two choices, as when I was using it last year I got good distance with it, and it's less overstable than the other two. I got a lot of long s curves out of mine.

I agree with Rich that your other problem could be using max weight drivers. We use 60 somethings, but then we're sissies. :D

Get a TL. Teebirds are the straightest drivers for me. Like I always said, its a roc in driver form... :D

take all 3 to a big open field throw them at least 20 times each and let us know what you think.. also i agree with the lighter beast for less stability.... good luck!!!

take all 3 to a big open field throw them at least 20 times each



Now that makes sense. That's exactly how I made my driver selection.

And what is your fav driver now ?

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I have a 166g DX beast and a 168g DX Teebird, When new the Teebird was much more overstable than the beast for me. And to this day it remains that way. It is however not really beat in yet because of the fact that it is too overstable for me to use often. On the other hand I have 2 Pro TL's 1 is 168 and the other is 170. Both are absolutely great brand new, and they still fly the same after hitting many trees. They seem to be great discs for beginners to pros and everyone in between.

Dude ... try a Flash. This disc rocks. I have several friends who throw Teebirds, and they have all tried an love my Flash(s). I have several weights, light for no-to-moderate wind, heavy for wind. One of my friends latched on to a 172 flash I had ... and wouldn't give it back (he bought it from me the second day I had it).
It's worth $13 bucks to give one a shot.
I also carry a 171 Teebird L in my bag ... it's a great disc, but just doesn't match the Flash for big D.

"Art is in the eye of the beholder"

and

"Stability is in the arm of the disc holder"

In relation to throwing different molds in the same weight these are how the big drivers fly, IF YOU THROW THE CORRECT WEIGHT FOR YOUR ARM!

These are the discs that I throw

Beast - Understable initial flight, hard fade
Orc - Straight to slight understable flight, slight fade
TeeBird - Straight flight, little fade
Valkrie - Very Understable, little fade (turns more as wears)
Firebird - OVERSTABLE, great glide
Monster - Faster version of the firebird
Flash - Understable, little fade (good roller)
Crush - Exactly like the Beast
Flick - Actually more overstable then the firebird, if the disc is high enough when it starts to fade you will actually lose distance on your drive.

Sorry I do not throw Millenium or Gateway, or Ching, but Millenium is owned by Innova so their discs are just Innova copies.

DX plastic flies farther then candy. Don't know why, it just does.

I second trying out a Flash. Very nice disc. Just over stable enough to come out of an S for me.

If you want something "straight" and in "cheap" plastic then you definately want to check out the Gateway Sabre in S plastic. This thing is so straight it's nuts.

I have to agree! Gotta have a dx in your bag at all times. I like my dx beast. That things fies far!!!!

How does that S Sabre compare to a champion stingray?
Thanks.