Ive seen the Soft wizard and the hard wizard but I was looking around on the internet and saw that someone had what they claimed to be the NEW Super soft wizard. Anyone see or know anything about these? And how are they? How does the softness compare to the JK Aviar, Omega Super Soft, Pro Rhyno?

I have a hard, soft, and super soft wizard and I would say the super soft is as soft as any disc on the market. It easily folds in half and then goes back with no problems.

I have the super soft wizard and it is the best putter I have ever used, very grippy. It cligs to the chains like you can't imagine. Get one or two as soon as possible!

wizard sticks in the chains much better than an aviar-x or an omega ss, but the rhyno has the best "die" in the chains that ive seen. Of course, the rhyno's much more overstable than any of the other three discs as well. I've been experimenting with a supersoft wizard seeing if I want to move away from my SE Soft Rhyno, and so far I do like the stability of the wizard. while something another poster said is true, that you can bend a SS wizard in half and have it come back to full shape, the top of the disc can tend to "bulb" so that I currently have two slight indendations in the top of my disc just inside the rim where I have obviously put a lot of thumb pressure in the past. I like the disc's grippiness, but this misshapen quality I've given the top of the disc is making me think I probably want just a standard soft wizard. Still, your milage may vary and if you like the other three discs above, you will probably like the supersoft wizard. Great grippy feel but the disc wont get "floppy" on you like an aviar-x or an omega ss will.

I prefer regular old Soft Wizads, but I 've converted a lot of Omega and Aviar X fans to the Super Soft Wizard, and they love it! The grip says it all, and they love that it sticks close on misses. Its also the [*****] in rain and cold. Awesome catch disc to warm up with too!

wizard sticks in the chains much better than an aviar-x or an omega ss, but the rhyno has the best "die" in the chains that ive seen. Of course, the rhyno's much more overstable than any of the other three discs as well. I've been experimenting with a supersoft wizard seeing if I want to move away from my SE Soft Rhyno, and so far I do like the stability of the wizard. while something another poster said is true, that you can bend a SS wizard in half and have it come back to full shape, the top of the disc can tend to "bulb" so that I currently have two slight indendations in the top of my disc just inside the rim where I have obviously put a lot of thumb pressure in the past. I like the disc's grippiness, but this misshapen quality I've given the top of the disc is making me think I probably want just a standard soft wizard. Still, your milage may vary and if you like the other three discs above, you will probably like the supersoft wizard. Great grippy feel but the disc wont get "floppy" on you like an aviar-x or an omega ss will.



This post is an excellent description of the disc. I have 2 currently and have had many others. One thing to note is, like all wizards the stiffness is quite variable from disc to disc, ranging from as soft as soft gets, to being as stiff as a soft wizard, but with a little different feel. I still prefer mediums due to their dead stable flight. The SS's fly sort of like chiefs with regards to having a little more "S" curve in their flights which is noticable even in a 20' putt.

I have the super soft wizard and it is the best putter I have ever used, very grippy. It cligs to the chains like you can't imagine. Get one or two as soon as possible!



Where ?

We have a few in stock. Here is a link. http://www.discontinuum.org/index2.html Our club stock has a link on that page. The list is attached to the thread on our discussion board.

www.sunkingdiscs.com (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com) has got them too. Awesome disc supplier. Incredibly fast shipping. I highly reccommend them if your gonna be doing online buying. But remember it doesn't hurt to buy from your local shops. We got to keep them in business.

[email protected] (Jen and John Mcray)
has the best seection and weights usually in stock. JohnE is the Gateway Pro.I bought all of my Gateway from them and will continue to do so.

I have the super soft wizard and it is the best putter I have ever used, very grippy. It cligs to the chains like you can't imagine. Get one or two as soon as possible!



Where ?



You can get them directly from Gateway at http://www.gdstour.com/
They have all the discs and are great with customer service.

I'm not really a fan of the SS Wizard because I prefer a hard putter. That's the main reason I use the Wizard: It's really hard, but also really grippy! If the SS wizard is similar to the Omega SS and Aviar X in flex, I could see how alot of people would like it, cause so many people use those discs.

I have some putters with "Soft Putter" by Gateway on the front and "SS" with the weight on the bottom...are these Wizards?

I second the suggestion to go to gateways website. www.gdstour.com (http://www.gdstour.com) It has a number you can call and the people are more than willing to talk a little golf and make sure you get what you want. Dave McCormack is a great wealth of knowledge.

I have some putters with "Soft Putter" by Gateway on the front and "SS" with the weight on the bottom...are these Wizards?



As far as I know, all the discs with just "soft putter" are just wizards in the soft plastic. I have at least one like that.

Tree klunker,
Where were you today?
The team event in St louis was a blast.
The south was up by a 1/2 point after the 1st round and wound up winning by like 15 points are something.

BTW all 57 players at this event received the "NEW" Element in the players package.
They fly very similiar to a slightly broken in flat top san marino roc.
Justin and I were throwing them for distance after the tourney and were getting them out about 425-450 with a 360!
The have a very slow turn and a looooong glide.

Most players who were throwing them thought they were really straight flying, especially players with a little less armspeed.
David Mac:

Tree klunker,
Where were you today?




Would to have loved to have been there, but I don't feel as if my game is up to the caliber needed for that tourney. I do hope to be at that level someday though. I finally hit par on the reds at Woodland Chains on a GOOD day and only got par by making a 130ish foot upshot on 14. So while it would have been awesome to have played in it I think there are far more qualified golfers in the metro east. If, however, the east ever needs a spot filler I am there. Always enjoy getting my ***** kicked on the course and watching all you good guys play. I play with my friends and only pick up bad habits. Let me know if you ever get over to Collinsville for a round.

Have you gotten any of the Elements out to sell yet? My midrange disc is a huge indecision in my bag. I use the Wizard for anything 150 in, but would love a disc as predictable for longer shots.

Ok, well I have one more question on these Wizards. Whats are the major diffences in the "S" "H" and "E" series Wizards. Anyone got a comparison of these three? Durabilty, Softness, Grip?

i finally broke down and bought a couple of wizards (super soft and firm) and i love them. they are both S plastic, which feels very nice, but after just three days (two full rounds and some backyard putting practice) they are already getting pretty beat up. doesnt seem to really affect the flight, though, but at this rate they'll be uber-beat in a few months.

fwiw, my particular super soft isnt very soft...the "super" is even written in a different pen in front of the "soft"...maybe it isnt really SS? it's more firm than a dx aviar p&a....

they've already replaced my other two putters (se soft rhyno and cryztal challenger) and i'm using the firm wizard for most approach shots, which i was using buzzzes for...the wizards seem to fly like a slower buzzz actually, holding whatever line you put them on. (i'm not giving up the buzzz though...)

i'm down to mostly just using orcs, teebirds, buzzzes, and wizards now.

Wizards are notorious for looking beat very fast, but their flights don't really change at all. I have a year old wizard that still flies like day one and gets used every time I golf.

Wizards are hard by nature. Even though they are hard, they are all very grippy and grip the chains, regardless of rigidity. I putt with hard wizards.

if I replaced "Teebird" with "leopard" and added "Z-MRV" to the repitoire, I would swear Brian Cox was me in Texan form ;)

Ok, well I have one more question on these Wizards. Whats are the major diffences in the "S" "H" and "E" series Wizards. Anyone got a comparison of these three? Durabilty, Softness, Grip?



I have a Soft "S" Wizard, a Medium "S" Wizard and an "H" Wizard. The flexabilites are similar between the Soft and Medium Wizard, with the flight plate being slightly more flexable, but still fairly stiff, on the Soft Wizard. The big difference is the feel of the plastic is different. The Soft Wizard is grainier, for lack of a better word. It does beat up pretty easily, but as everyone else has pointed out, it doesn't affect the flight that much. I took a big chunk (thin strip 1/2" long by 1/4" wide) out of my Soft Wizard and it barely affected the flight. The grittyness seems to make it grip the chains well, but I don't think it sticks as well as some other putters that are more flexable. It still grabs as well as any other stiffer putter out there, though.

The Medium Wizard feels similar to most other "S" plastic. It's a little chalky, fairly stiff and easy to grip. I've found it to be more resistant to dings than my Classic Aviar I had.

The "H" Wizard feels totally different. The plastic reminds me of the plastic Innova used on the Iowa World's Roc. It's kind of shiney and smooth and feels a little rubbery. The flight plate is much more flexable than the "S" Wizards I talked about but the rim is solid. It's very resistant to dings and tacoing. The bead seems to be slowly shaving away (I use it for approaches to skip to the bottom of the basket for drop-in putts) in thin little threads, but I haven't noticed any change in flight. I use it for pretty much every approach shot within 200' or so. It works for putting, but not as well as the "S" Wizards, IMO. Anytime I need to save par on a hole I reach for it.

I'm looking forward to trying an "E" Wizard. I've heard they're a little more overstable than the "H" Wizards and I'm hoping they're stiffer, but I've heard varying rumors as to their stiffness.

Edit: forgot to mention that the "H" Wizard I have is much domier than the "S" Wizards. The "S" Wizards have a flat top and the "H" domes up quite a bit. I think it's a bit more overstable, too.

That was a pretty good summery. I use a "S" Wizard for putts, "H" Wizard for approaches (Yes, they are slightly more overstable at low speeds than the "S" ones) and I throw "E" Wizards off the tee a lot. The stiffer ones (Heavier) are the [*****]. Still kinda domey (At first you swear its just a slightly different "H" Wizard) but man are they stable for a putter. You can rip them line drive 300' or so w/o turning over. If you throw them softer (75-80%) you better beleive they hyzer. And at 75% or so, you can give them some annie and they'll actually work out of it!

Wizards are the best.

On a sad note...my S (soft) Wizard that I have been putting with for a year broke on a routine approach after kicking off a pine tree last week! That really sucked, the disc was still in good shape for a Wizard, and I still can't figure out exactly how it happened. Since then I've been putting with a softer "medium" S Wizard and it is working, but its still a touch more low speed overstable and I'm watching all my longer jump putts veer left just before reaching the cage :(

Anyway, I'm still not sure what an E wizard is, and I'm not sure whether or not I have one. I have a pair of Wizards that I've had for a year and are my favorite off the tee, and I think they might be "E". They are about the same stiffness as a medium S Wizard but instead of the normal chalky S plastic, they are made of a slicker, waxy plastic and they have very little dome. I like these because they take a lot of snap without turning and are better in the wind. They do not make the greatest approach discs however because they have to be thrown hard and are a little more prone to skipping. If these are not E, then what are they, and what is the E like?

What color and what stamp is on the discs?

what is the difference between a Wizard and a Chief? They feel pretty much the same to me.

i bought a moderately soft wizard as my first venture into gateway territory, i still use and prefer my omega ss putters but i used the gateway quite a bit on breezy days from about 200 and in. generally was pretty happy with the disc, however, playing the shortest hole at stony creek i walk up the fairway to pick up my wizard and lo and behold the rim was cracked all the way through and about a quarter of the way towards the center. never hit a tree with this one either.

i'm sure i'll end up trying the super soft version but because of that experience i haven't run right out to get one.

what is the difference between a Wizard and a Chief? They feel pretty much the same to me.



They are the exact same disc, just different plastics. Gateway no longer make a disc called the chief. Now they make the, S Wizard (wizard), H Wizard (chief), and the E Wizard. All three types of wizards are offered in 3 flexibilities, and a super soft S Wizard is also offered.

I have two glow wizards. One is hard and the other is SS. And they both are awesome discs. They glow real well. What is the E version like. Are they softer than the S versions? Because the glow wizard I have is stiff as a rock. Also do they make a Glow "E" Wizard? That would be sweet.

What color and what stamp is on the discs?



They are a deep violet with the Wizard graphic and no writing.

Sounds like they are H.
There have been no purplish E and the purple S are older and probably dont have just the Wizard stamp.
There have been 3 basics runs of E the 1st were all orange.
They were made in older CE type plastic and pretty firm.
Then we ran some grey which were mostly medium. A few cam out softer and a few more firm.

The latest run are ALL white and most were soft and some close to super soft.
All evolution Wizards should have "E" wizard on the back and the new white ( or tye dye) ones have a small wizard with the Evolution Pro-Line stamp below!

I have two glow wizards. One is hard and the other is SS. And they both are awesome discs. They glow real well. What is the E version like. Are they softer than the S versions? Because the glow wizard I have is stiff as a rock. Also do they make a Glow "E" Wizard? That would be sweet.



The E wizards I've thrown have been about a Medium on the Wizard scale, but they have also been heavy. I know that Gateway offers the S and H Wizards in 3-4 flexibilities, but I'm not sure about the E. You could call the shop and ask. I'm sure there are some Soft E Wizards around.

Now they make the, S Wizard (wizard), H Wizard (chief), and the E Wizard. All three types of wizards are offered in 3 flexibilities, and a super soft S Wizard is also offered.



Is this correct? I was under the impression that Gateway made 6 distinct Wizards.... E plastic (one type), H plastic (one type), and Firm/Med/Soft/SuperSoft in the S plastic.

Is this correct? I was under the impression that Gateway made 6 distinct Wizards.... E plastic (one type), H plastic (one type), and Firm/Med/Soft/SuperSoft in the S plastic.



That's my understanding, too. They used to make a Super Soft Chief, but I don't think they do that anymore.

Is this correct? I was under the impression that Gateway made 6 distinct Wizards.... E plastic (one type), H plastic (one type), and Firm/Med/Soft/SuperSoft in the S plastic.



That's my understanding, too. They used to make a Super Soft Chief, but I don't think they do that anymore.



You can find them around, but I think the "H" Wizard is just one distinct disc, no flex. differences.

No just call the shop!! You can get H wizard's in 3 flexes, and probably a couple for E. S wizards come in all sorts of flavors!! Not to mention the best approach disc ever made, the powdery blue S/H Chief.

Graham,
There was a guy looking for those a while back.
I found 4 or 5 in the shop and set them aside.
Do you know who that was?

I've got a tourney stamp Lime Green Chief that feels the same as those Powdery Blue ones. Awesome approach disc. Any Chief/"H" Wizard is IMO.

I feel ignorant asking this question, but I can't stand being in the dark any longer... what does IMO stand for?

I feel ignorant asking this question, but I can't stand being in the dark any longer... what does IMO stand for?



In My Opinion.

Thank you.