I got 2 of em if any 1 wants to buy I'll gladly sell them for what i paid $20...178g thrown a couple of times(orange) 174g never thrown(blue) Pls send me a pm if u want 1 :D

Are these even in testing yet? Can't wait till they're approved, I don't play tournaments much, but during some casual rounds people will tell me I shouldn't use it.

I got 2 of em if any 1 wants to buy I'll gladly sell them for what i paid $20...178g thrown a couple of times(orange) 174g never thrown(blue) Pls send me a pm if u want 1 :D




Isn't there a thread for this?! When will people learn.................

I've heard that it's a much different type of disc, but haven't heard any details on it. There won't be an Ace Race around the Portland area this year so I'm very curious. Any information?

When is this Ace Race , coming to San Diego ?

I am sure that Keith Murray will come on and clear this up, but this is what I heard from our local retailer and a friend of Jim Kenner's.

The Ace Race disc will be a retooled Drone, to make it less stable.


Of course, wasn't the drone, a retooled MRX to make it more stable? So is the Ace Race disc an MRX?

Anybody else have better information?

The UnUnMRX

I'll know Tuesday. The 1st of three DFW, Tx. ace race is Wed 9/7/05. :D

http://www.sportdiscs.com/page/page/1297143/2005-09.htm

Any feedback from 2005 Ace Racers yet?

I just received Grapevine's ace race packs, and would like to know how these babies fly? Very interesting disc...kind of a driver-like profile moreso than mid range.

http://www.sportdiscs.com/page/page/1297143/2005-09.htm



� Olalla, WA
� Brandenburg, KY
� Dover, DE
. Bristol, UK



All had ace races over the long weekend. Feedback?

are they like a glide but more stable?

I just want to order a package somehow. So if anyone (John?) has extras, let me know.

� Olalla, WA
� Brandenburg, KY
� Dover, DE
. Bristol, UK




Where are the reviews? They must not have internet access in these locations. :D

Hi everyone,

Here is an early review from someone who filled out the survey on Sportdiscs.com (http://www.sportdiscs.com).

Did you like the prototype disc? Yes
What stability rating would you give the prototype disc? 0
Would you add this disc to your bag? Yes
What existing disc would you say the prototype flew most like? X-Press

Please give us any additional comments you may have on the prototype disc or the event itself.

Great event! I think this disc has great potential and I like the unique design. Thrown hard, it seems pretty easy to turn over. Thrown with a medium speed throw and some flick of the wrist this disc seems to glide a very long way before fading. I think it will make a very good beginner disc.

Thanks Keith. Looking forward to the event tonight!!!!!!

VERY interesting disc! sharp edge, depressed "thumb ring" makes it look like saturn in a way.

couple observations:

1. very very smooth out of the hand. its darn near impossible to flutter this disc
2. this thing is FAST
3. with a load and a half of glide... it gets into the glide phase quite quickly...
4. tons of lift - we were too high on many of our ace racedistance shots.

i wouldnt be surprised if someone set a distance record with this mold.

the most notable aspect of this disc can be summed up "it plays lighter than its weight". and with a few throws experience, this can be a very good thing.

Pat:

Would you say the depression around the wing is "X-Clone" like? Also, were these made in Z, X, or D plastic? Also, can someone post a pic of the profile? Curious minds (with no Ace Race around) want to know.

Thanks!

The 2005 one fits Pat's description well. :DI'll post a pic tonight for ya.

The X-Clone "step-up" was located closer to the edge. This ace race disc "groove" is closer to the center of the disc. Appeared to be a Z & X mix. I could be wrong there though.

erik, not really X-Clone-ish, altho the profile is reminiscent of that mold. this one has a relatively sharp edge. the upper plane has a convex, rounded "groove" or "depression" right where the thumb goes. then the center of the disc rises above like a dome. the profile looks like a traditional 1950's flying saucer, like the ones from Mars Attacks.

thats why, along with the speed, my unoffical name for it is the Zap :D

It's 2005

like this only a squashed version:
http://www.vfxhq.com/1996/stills/mars/wds1.jpg

Nice Pat. It's still only 2005 though. :D

yeah i know it is. who changed the message titles to 2006? wassa matter wit you! :D

I was very disapointed with disk[*****] new "mid range driver". :mad:

It was anything but a mid range. I was using a 20% drive and the disk was going a good 100' past the basket. It would rise about 4-8 feet when it should have been sinking, and Britt had two solid hits that went straight through the chains.

Very understable at high speeds and super overstable at low speeds. I am shocked that we had any aces with these trash can lids. :eek:

But I had a good time, and it was well worth the $20 for two discs, which I gave away, a hat, and a mini. Some how I did manage to get an ace with a side arm shot. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

You are one of a kind. I do agree with you that it's closer to a driver than mid range :D

Out of 36 people, 32 of them enjoyed the disc and 4 people disliked the disc. Not a bad ratio in my opinion. :p

Also, the disc would be a perfect beginner's driver. A beginner usually doesn't have the high speed that makes it understable. At medium speeds this disc is stable(straight.) :D

Although I am not a beginner, it sounds like a disc made for me. Sorry I missed it last night. I am looking forward to trying the disc out. :) I really needed the rest time.
PS - there are whiners in every crowd :(

so let's see.... 20% drives going 100' feet past the basket.

so given a 125 average hole length you were averaging 225' at 20%...

that makes your 100% drive about 1125 feet, dude!

so, either you are exaggerating, which makes you a fool, or you are dissing a disc that is good for 150% of the world distance record, which makes you an [I'm a potty-mouth!].

take your pick :D

Chris throws everything really hard. Even some of hit putts "Bangdachains" like an ace. I can definitely see him throwing WAY past the baskets. He also made a few peoples day by giving his discs away. He has plenty of plastic, and some of the kids at Grapevine don't, so i thought that was cool.

like this only a squashed version:
http://www.vfxhq.com/1996/stills/mars/wds1.jpg



Darn....forgot to post a pic last night. Here's a temp pic.

http://www.olgahorvat.com/images/flying%20saucer.JPG


Like Pat said, the bubble isn't this tall, it's squashed. There is also a thumb "groove" on the flight plate. Very interesting looking disc, but a great little flyer.

couple observations:

1. very very smooth out of the hand. its darn near impossible to flutter this disc
2. this thing is FAST
3. with a load and a half of glide... it gets into the glide phase quite quickly...
4. tons of lift - we were too high on many of our ace racedistance shots.

i wouldnt be surprised if someone set a distance record with this mold.




Pat,

Jeff Davis wanted to throw my 174g Ace Race disc on hole #12 at Veterans. Now, the long sleeve is 557' flat ground........Jeff released it with a lot of hyzer and started it out on a line somewhere in between the short basket and the left sidewalk. The disc slightly rolled over and got into "Glide" mode......sailed 552'............5 feet short of the long bucket and 30 feet right! Huge!

Here's a pic:

http://www.erley.org/discgolf/2005AceRace.jpg

And my review:

172g yellow disc. Feels like maybe X Plastic. Hit fence a few times and no visible dings.

I threw it about 50 times in high wind today. Had a nice open field (4 baseball fields, essentially) with 10-30 MPH winds to play in. I would never toss this disc into a head wind. That having been said:

RHBH:

Left -> Right Wind, I got some sweet long tosses on hyzer flips. I don't normally throw hyzer flips so it's not my specialty, but this disc made it easy with this wind. I think I got one out about 400 feet. The wind definately kept the disc near level as it fell to earth. Not a lot of fade.

Right-> Left Wind, released with just a touch of hyzer and it snapped up and went straight. Decent glide, but once it reached the fade portion, it sorta bombed out. That's expected of the wind.

Tailwind, Just like right->left, a touch of hyzer, snapped to level and went a ways, bounced up and down a TON in the tail wind. Fell to earth with a slight fade at the end.

Headwind, I could not muster enough hyzer for this disc to go straight. It did not, however, dive right like an xpress or glide does when thrown hard into a headwind. It turned over and followed a nice turnover line. No real comeback at the end.

I can't throw sidearm with any significant skill, so I didn't toss any side arm shots.

Overhand tomahawk. I threw about 15 of this to believe it. I had INCREDIBLE success with this disc overhand. The thumbtrack made it like a shock absorber. Thrown overhand, the disc hit, small bounce, then just stopped there. Same with thumbers. I put a mini out about 200 feet and had 5 of 8 shots stop within 5 feet of it in high wind. the other 3 were within 20 feet. MUCH better success than I've had with a talon or my avengers.

Roller worked very well too. Again, the track sort of absorbed the impact and made for a very smooth roll.

Overall, the disc will go into my bag for tight turnover shots. It turned over very smoothely and predictably for me. Will be great for 200-300 foot tunnel shots for me. As Pat said initially, the disc comes out of the hand very smoothely for an understable disc. I can see beginners being able to control this disc very well. On shots less than full power, I put my thumb in the track and got a very reliable release. On more powerful shots, I had a problem with getting a good grip using the thumb track.

Hero-

Question - Did you alter your course when you ran the Ace Race? I mean, did you move tees around to get more of an "ace run" in place? I am running my first AR in a couple of weeks and I was considering doing just that, shortening holes and making them a bit more straight on for the benefit of all involved.

Is the disc a mid or is it a driver? After reading the above posts it sounds like this disc will fly!!!

thanks.

eric

I consider this disc to be in the same class of discs as the storm and the glide. They're Mids that can go real long / Drivers that are controllable at lower speeds.

thanks Pat.

ej,

Yes, no matter how long the original hole was, we shortened it to 170' - 200' by throwing from pin flagged tee areas. The object of the tournament is to throw aces.....the more the merrier, so shorten those holes. The disc can be thrown 300'+ so it's okay to throw in a long hole here and there, but for the most part, we kept it short. I think we had a total of 7 aces.




Pat E,

Glad to see that you received it. Nice Review. Thanks.

thanks Pat!

I will continue with the plan and shorten that puppy up. I would be interested in finding out what you guys did with overage also if are willing to share. Keith (from Discraft) put up a message board to deal with such issues but it looks like I have been the only person to consider posting.

Feel free to pm me if that makes it easier.

anyway, thanks for all the input.

eric

you are most certainly welcome!

good luck with it!

pat

X=Press eh? Thanks for the info Keith!!!

Sweet disc. I found the blue prototype to be a tad more stable then the yellow. They seem to have very similar freight characteristics to the sidewinder. The discraft version is super grippy and a nice blend of plastic. Very well done!!!!!!!!


Of course I might be a little bias as I won a local ace race at firefighters park. :cool::cool::D

Discraft Rules!!! Awesome prize package. Golf Bag, 9 cam todd challengers, towel, mini, hat.

I got my Ace Race disc this past weekend and practiced a bit with it. It sure is different than what I am used to throwing. I'm not saying it could not be a good disc but it seems to me like you have to throw it different than a typical disc golf disc.That may very well be because I have typically not thrown my discs with my thumb where the groove is. I usually have my thumb closer to the edge of the disc. Not sure if this is the correct grip or not but just how I have always done it.

The groove on the top of the disc where you put your thumb is very deep when I compared it to a Thumbtrac such as on the Ryno or Birdie. There is no getting around having your thumb in there when you throw it. For me, it seems to change the way I throw. The closest thing it reminds me of are the Ching putters that have the dimples in the top where you also put your thumb.

At any rate, I would be interested to know where Discraft got the idea for the groove and will it make a profound impact on the evolution of discs? Does the groove have some sort of purpose other than thumb placement? For example, how does it affect the wind resistance?

And lastly, have there been any other discs besides the Innova thumbtrac that had this deep of a groove?

I hope none of that sounded too negative as the disc is very interesting. It just is going to take a little more practice to get the hang of it.

Doug

Not much has been posted about the Slipstream GT. What are your impressions of this disc?

We played on a ball golf course for our club fundraiser last weekend and I decided to put one in my bag. After rolling it on a 500+ ft. hole and parking it, I decided that I would throw it for most of my rollers that day. I was fairly suprised how long it rolled before standing up and curling. I think I might actually keep one in the bag and take out my beat x wildcat. It is a good tunnel shot disc as well but mine is too beat and will not hold a straight line anymore.

Looks like Discrafts answer to the Roadrunner.

Haven't thrown the roadrunner. I thought that the ace race disc came out before the roadrunner, hmmm...could innova be copying discraft? :D:eek: :p

I don't think the RoadRunner has the Groove Top. So I don't think neither company copied each other. I think what Eddie meant was to say that the two discs had similar primary functions which was to be a roller.

I have never thrown any disc as far as I can throw this disc. It esses so nicely. I have never thrown anything that reacts like this thing.

what is it's flight most comparable to either in innova or discraft plastic.

I have never thrown any disc as far as I can throw this disc. It esses so nicely. I have never thrown anything that reacts like this thing.



Thanks guys. I'll order some next time I call Sun Kings. Joe, y'all have Gumbo that far west? :D

what is it's flight most comparable to either in innova or discraft plastic.



I'll put my 2cents in here. I've only thrown the Ace Race disc. Haven't thrown the Slipstream yet. I throw the Ace disc flat to a slight hyze release. Try to get it no more than 10 feet off the ground. It USUALLY lands between my Champ Sidewinder and my slightly beat in Champ Orc. My mis-throws usually turn over and end up 30' to 50' off to the right. Between the SW and the Ace Race disc....the one that goes higher goes further left.

Unfortunately no, there is no gumbo here.

I really could not tell you what this is closest to. Kinda similar to my Ching Velocity (supreme plastic). It's like my cyclone only I can really rip this and not worry about it goint way understable. I'd say it is a +2, -2.

Oops, I meant -2, +2

Comparisons to a cyclone ... :)

You cant compare it to a cyclone. Its a completely different type of disc.

You can compare it to a cyclone in that it is understable at high speed and stable at low speeds. I didnt say they were the same disc.

I know the first shipment of these went out on July 31st. Anyone seen or thrown these yet? I'm curious to hear what peeps think about the cross-hatching.

http://www.discraft.com/news_0707_ar.html

I know the first shipment of these went out on July 31st. Anyone seen or thrown these yet? I'm curious to hear what peeps think about the cross-hatching.

http://www.discraft.com/news_0707_ar.html


My buddy played in one in Big D and is brining one to me this weekend. I hear they have gerat glide and fly straight as an arrow.

I've already hosted the first of 3 DFW ace races. The disc seems to be a cross between a Storm and a Stratus. Very fast, extremely glidey and easy to manipulate. It hyzers, it anhyzers, it helixes, it does it all!!! Nice Job Circle D!

"Glidey" is that a word? :D

Thanks for the info!

Do these proto ace race discs ever become legal for standard tourney play? or are they already legalized?

Do these proto ace race discs ever become legal for standard tourney play? or are they already legalized?



Yes, last years disc is this years meteor and the mold is what get's approved. So one with the Ace Race stamp vs the production stamp are all legal. Just like tournament stamp discs.

Do these proto ace race discs ever become legal for standard tourney play? or are they already legalized?



Discraft has to give the mold a name and submit it to the pdga for testing. So far all of the ace race molds have been approved and are legal to play with in PDGA events. I'm sure this one will be legal soon.

"Glidey" :D

Would this possibly make a good roller disc if its a faster further flying Stratus???

Prolly not Steve. It has more of a Storm nose rather than Stratus.

That SS Avenger though.....There's your outta the box booming roller!

I hear they have great glide and fly straight as an arrow.



A friend let me throw his this afternoon. I think the above description fits it to a "T". I liked the cross-hatching and the rim configuration felt very nice in my hand. I signed up for our local Ace Race as soon as I got home, so I could guarantee myself a couple. The plastic was very grippy, does anyone know if it's ESP FLX or just the regular ESP?

nanook

Prolly not Steve. It has more of a Storm nose rather than Stratus.

That SS Avenger though.....There's your outta the box booming roller!



I prefer my Rogues!!! Amazing rollers!!!

I hear they have great glide and fly straight as an arrow.



A friend let me throw his this afternoon. I think the above description fits it to a "T". I liked the cross-hatching and the rim configuration felt very nice in my hand. I signed up for our local Ace Race as soon as I got home, so I could guarantee myself a couple. The plastic was very grippy, does anyone know if it's ESP FLX or just the regular ESP?

nanook



ESP FLX :D

I hear they have great glide and fly straight as an arrow.



A friend let me throw his this afternoon. I think the above description fits it to a "T". I liked the cross-hatching and the rim configuration felt very nice in my hand. I signed up for our local Ace Race as soon as I got home, so I could guarantee myself a couple. The plastic was very grippy, does anyone know if it's ESP FLX or just the regular ESP?

nanook



ESP FLX :D


I thought so! The disc felt like FLX when I had it in my hands. However, when I went to the Discraft website that evening, the Ace Race disc article only mentioned ESP. I'm definitely diggin' the FLX surge. I ended up nailing quite a few rocks with it during a round last night. Not a single mark left on the disc and it still flies like a surge should.

Between preds, surges, buzzzes, challengers, and now the Ace Race disc; I'll like to carry an all-FLX bag for a few rounds and see how I like it. Might be a pretty versatile set-up for only five molds...

nanook

Just threw an FLX Surge from Pro Worlds today and liked how it flew compared to the DGA Rogue which had been the disc I used for similar shots. Not sure if it flies as straight as the Rogue so more testing required.

I have been using this years disc for about two weeks now and love it.
I throw only discraft except a max weight beat up roc for straight shots. but this new disc has replaced it. So do we know if it has been pdga approved yet?

It reminds me of the Gateway/Quest DT. Looks like innovation is catching on!

I threw the disc today when someone from AL was passing though and wanted to play our league. This thing held every line I put it on, and it was amazingly straight in a crosswind.

I just got all my packages and I must say I liked this disc when I played a round yesterday. I had 3 metal hits first round with it. At first I thought my dreams came true and Discraft molded a premium plastic Marauder for me, but this is about 1/2" less diameter. I'd say it is a bit understable because it held anhyzer lines much better than hyzer lines (and didn't come back when thrown sidearm either). When I ripped on it, it defintely turned and continued to go that way. I think that the crosshatching on the underside of the rim is not at all like the DT gateway stuff, but actually meant to slow the spin down and thus create a nice straight flight pattern. My initial rating would be a ZERO stability (maybe a +0.5), definitely more stable than the Meteor last year. We should have plenty aces this year!

Discraft - I would still love a Marauder. Can you just pour some FLX plastic in the mold and see what comes out? :D

ACE! I aced #4 on what will be our Ace Race layout last night! Sure, it's an unfair advantage that I'm playing with this disc 6 weeks prior to our event.

So, after a couple rounds, here is my assessment again. It is a very straight flying disc that goes where you put it. BUT, for a RHBH thrower it defintely wants to anhyzer turn more and will NOT fade back at the end. I can only get a fade out of it with a good amount of hyzer release (not as much as the Meteor needs though). I wish when flown flat, and it holds the small amount of anhyzer turn, that it would fade at the end. Those long slow S curves are great for the woods and obstacles up here. My experience though is it will not fade once it begins to turn - the downside of the disc.

I think a 0 stability is a good call, and it has a good amount of glide too.

You mean 0 fade, right?

My experience with it:

Put it on an anhyzer line with a normal amount of spin and it will hold the anny line and glide.
Put it on a hyzer line and it will not flip unless you torque it on the release.
Throw it flat and it will fade left at the end.

I think it might go in my bag once it becomes PDGA approved.

Has anyone else noticed the similarity between the artwork on the Ace Run disc and that of the Ace Club discs for this year? I happened to see both of mine close together and for a moment I thought they were the same design. After looking more closely, they are different, but still they are similar enough for me to ask, "Was the artwork for each disc done by the same person? They are both Discraft discs".

Gotta post this - ACE AGAIN! I aced #9 on our short layout on Monday morning. It was a dead straight bullet that was gunning for chains the whole time. #9 is about 175' long and only 8 feet wide in spots. It is one of our wooded tunnels.

I am really starting to like the control of this disc. It has definitely earned a place in my bag with two aces in three round of play. Discraft should definitely put this into production, a PERFECT compliment to the FLX lineup!

I have your name too - the Seeker. Right in line with storm and stratus, and pefect description for what it does. A more controllable Tracker. (I'd say "Bullet" but it's not real fast)

Just had two more metal hits with it during a recent round.

Any rumors of this disc being approved, or a name?

They should call it the Frozen Rope.

I have a few 2007 Ace Race Packages (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=704) left if anyone is interested.

They should call it the Frozen Rope.



:eek:

They should call it the Frozen Rope.



:eek:



or the Gaybo DT

Now Jason..... are we going to fight all the way down to CLT this friday over this little slur ?

Now Jason..... are we going to fight all the way down to CLT this friday over this little slur ?




I couldn't help my self :oI guess it should be called the GAYBO CH (cross hatch)....... lol because they are not dimples....... lol, yea we might fight all they there.

The disc is way too flippy for me. I throw it with a nice hyzer and it flips up and glides right (rhbh). I have a few other discs that I throw that will do that but are more predictable (squall from dga). I don't see a need in the bag that most players don't already have filled. Nice feel though.

Jordan

I really like this disc. When will it PDGA approved?

I was wondering that as well. The rumor mill around here has been saying the Ace Race version is not, and will not, be approved and that someone would have to wait until the regular production model comes out if they want to use it in a tourney.

In fact last weekend, at a sanctioned tourney, I witnessed someone wanting to throw an Ace Race version of a Meteor and they were told only the regular production version would be legal.

Can anyone "in the know" comment on this?

I am not "in the know" but as far as I know as soon as it is approved, the ace race disc becomes a tournament stamped disc of that type. They don't make modification to the mold afterwards so it is the same as the production runs of them. When we had our tournament this year, our TD (a discraft sponsored player) said that if this model is approved these discs would be valid to throw. I think he might be in the know :D

That is my understanding as well...

Once approved ALL versions; prototype, custom or stock, are legal for use in PDGA events.

You tell them Keith! Still prefer the 120 degree AZ heat over the -40 below MI winters? :D

I love this new Discraft Stingray

: ) :

Once approved ALL versions; prototype, custom or stock, are legal for use in PDGA events.

That's certainly what I thought! I didn't stick my nose in at the tournament because I thought the people involved knew more than I did.

nanook

You tell them Keith! Still prefer the 120 degree AZ heat over the -40 below MI winters? :D



U know it man!!! Summer has broke and we haven't had a day in the 100's for about a week. Didn't mind the buck twenty's but it is really nice now.

By the way, had 75 folks for my Ace Race here and everyone was digging the disc, myself included!

Anyone interested in an Ace Race package let me know. I have 11 extras from my event today.

djej at yahoo dot com

eric

Ace #3 today with this disc on our short layout. That makes 3 aces and around 8 metal hits in 8-9 rounds.

126' long, 8' wide, with a basket guarding tree.
http://webpages.charter.net/berrybunch/Tee%20Pictures_files/image047.jpg

Here are the other two aces I had with it

http://webpages.charter.net/berrybunch/Tee%20Pictures_files/image053.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/berrybunch/Tee%20Pictures_files/image023.jpg

Those are some sweet gauntlet holes. :cool:

Is there any more news on the official release date for this disc?

I confirmed with the factory today that it has not currently been sent in for testing. I had to tell folks they couldn't use it during the Shelly Sharpe Memorial (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7176#Open) this weekend.

They said that they were getting ready to send it in soon so it should just be a few weeks.

Don't like it. We had our Ace Race today and the majority of players out here were not impressed. The discs were very touchy and inconsistant for almost the whole group of 30 players. I think only 3 or 4 people were throwing them well. I thought that this disc should have been a lot slower and it need to be a little more high speed stable. But if you want a long range mid, you can throw these things a country mile. Threw one of hole 10 here at Blue Mountain and it flew about 500 ft. It has tremendous glide which also makes it hard to get down on the pin from those 175-275ft. teeboxes.

500 feet and rated under 900. Come on now. really?????? I have been playing 15 years and this is an amazing disc. It won't replace my coyote, but it is every bit as good as my coyote. Such great glide, perfect control. When thrown hard, it loses a little control, but for 250 feet it is perfect!!

The course is called "Blue Mountain", so I'm guessing he threw the disc 500' down the side of Blue Mountain. He also sounds like someone who has yet to master the controls of "touch" discs as well. I liked the disc too. It was very effortless and had really nice glide. When i threw it with hyzer and with a little snap it glided forever while slightly turning left the whole way. It reminds me of a slightly overstable Stratus.

Sounds like Sandalbagger did a classic Click, Click, "Huh." Back, Back. :D

what Jeff???

You gotta click twice on the profile of someone to see what their player rating is. :D

lmao. nice.

Alright, back on track here...

Discraft, name this disc the Seeker. Label it 0 on your stability (comparably the meteor is -0.5 and it needs some serious hyzer angle to not turn, not as much with this one). Send me a stack of plastic and some future new stuff as it comes out, and will call it even for the idea on the name.

Some Ace Race Dyed Discs http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpnkgtr

Jeff Homburg told me this weekend that he just approved the Ace Race disc under the name Impact. Thank goodness because people in the valley of the sun are loving it!

Same with people here in Northern Mexico. The Impact has made an impact! :D

Who won the chainstars? I ran 3 events on courses that have had ace races before and 1 of them had A LOT of players.

discraft.com is also reporting on their website that the disc is PDGA approved, so that's wonderful news! A lot of people enjoyed throwing the disc at the 2 ace races that I helped run.

Hey John,

How many did you have at your biggest? I had 75 here at Vista del Camino.

That's highly classified information there Mr. Murray. I'm not saying a word until i've heard the fat lady sing. LOL. Just kidding, sent you a PM. ;)

We had 65 at a 1st time event.

Keith,

Any word on who our ACE RACE basket winners are? I know that Discraft was giving away quite a few baskets, like 5 or 6 of them. The last event was on 10/31, we should know something by now. :D

You know it can take some time to get everyone to report numbers back. We'll have to wait and see.

How many hit 100 players?

You know it can take some time to get everyone to report numbers back. We'll have to wait and see.



Not really. Each event ordered 1 package per player. Erich is on vacation; i'm sure we'll know something a day or two after his return on Monday.



How many hit 100 players?



I ran 3 events and none of them hit triple digits. My total player count was 154.

I think they had 75 in Florence, KY.

Does anyone know if the totals have been posted anywhere?

Okay, got my shipment and have one round under my belt. Here is my assessment. It is a stable mid, feels a LOT like a buzzz, but a tad smaller diameter and a slightly different rim curvature which in my mind makes it easier to grip than the buzzz. I threw a slightly domed, 175g model and I'd rate it as a 2.0 (compared to my 1.5 rated 177g Wasp). Plastic was ESP which a good touch of FLX (I HATE the very hard ESP and this was nice). I think the torq has been re-torqued, and I like this disc a lot (better than the wasp, not as overstable as drone). It had predicatble fade at the end of a RHBH flight. It would turn at high speed when really snapped, but only a bit. This was also easy enough to sidearm with not too much turn ealry and a predicatble fade at the end (and I typically cannot sidearm mids well). Call it a -1, 3 using innova ratings. So, if Discraft wanted to start getting more picky, they could call it a 1.8 or something. It also has much more glide than the drone, I defintely had to hold back on some throws to keep from overshooting due to glide.

This disc is way better than the Shockwave, and is just as good as the good Torq models with a better grip and feel with softer plastic. I'll write more after more rounds, I'm positive this will stay in my bag for more.

i would would think the stability on this disc is closer to +1 or less.

Yeah I would think its closer to a 1 than it is a 2 for sure. I threw both of mine to test them out and I would say it would be about a 1.5 or maybe a 1.25 if that was an option. Definitely not more stable than my wasps or anywhere near as stable as my drones.

I just threw another round using just this disc. I still disagree and would call it near a 2.0, more stable than my wasp (my wasp turns more at high speed). It holds a really straight line, glides far, and has a predictable fade. It does not turn much at high speed unless released at an anny angle.

Of course, I'm comparing my one wasp to my one ace race disc, but I do like this disc. It feels much better than a wasp and glides more. Maybe I'll do a side by side comparison one round and see how a wasp, torq, and ace race disc compare head to head.

I'm looking to fill a gap in my bag: a mid that I can easily turn over...

Is this the disc for me?

Doubt it. In watching my group throw it, it's apparent the stability is too high for throwing in the woods and when there's little wind except at full power. The downside of mid-range discs that aren't close to 0 stability is that it's too hard to calculate the flight path when not throwing full power. With the Ace Race and upshots in general, you throw discs at less than full power and don't always have room to allow the disc to hyzer out in narrow corridors. Give me 0 discs for upshot control when not throwing full power.

We threw a few extra shots during our ace race rounds from the regular tees to see how it would hold up to a full power throw. It handled the additional torque pretty well but I still don't think its a 2.0 stable disc. It flew a lot like a newish ESP wasp does for me (the good domey ones- which are the only ones worth throwing IMO)

Its definitely not a turnover disc at any throwing strength level. I was getting them to flip at 100% power but they were fighting back by the end of the flight.

If you want a turnover mid get an ESP comet. I love them and I don't even like understable mids usually.

i threw 3 rounds with it today. it almost seems similiar to the storm, when it was considered a mid-range. i did ace a hole while playing this afternoon with it. it seems to fade harder at lower speeds than with high speed throws.

I'm looking to fill a gap in my bag: a mid that I can easily turn over...

Is this the disc for me?



This is NOT the disc for your bag.

a light 170s Buzzz will turn with good snap, but fade a little at the end, a Meteor at any weight will turn and keep turning because they glide like crazy, or an Impact will easily turn at any power level, and hold that turn when released with just slight anny.

Shockwave without a bead?

... it almost seems similiar to the storm ...



I had that same impression!

I'm looking to fill a gap in my bag: a mid that I can easily turn over...



Meteor. Throw it flat and watch it turn right over. Nice hyzer-flip disc as well. Was looking for the same kind of disc not to long ago because I was tired of the inconsistant flight patterns of a beat pro-d or glo buzzz. I was looking at the Meteor and several people recommended it to me and I am glad they did!

I have extra packages by the way, pm me.

eric

Very LSS, Touchy HSS. I flipped it when I threw it with Buzzz power. I wouldn't be able to get Buzzz/Wasp/Zone distance with this disc. (375') Made for an interesting race though. Newer players seemed to be able to handle it well, and threw nice controllable hyzers with it, which is a good thing for that market. KP

I'll second the Storm comparision, doesn't feel like one, but flies very similar. But to me what it really seems like is a Z Buzzz without the magic. Basically it flies a lot like the buzzz, just doesn't seem to glide as well or keep afloat longer than you expect like the buzzz will. I don't think it's anywhere close in stability with a wasp or a zone. +1 stability tops.

i would would think the stability on this disc is closer to +1 or less.



There is no way the disc is less than a 1. It is more along the lines of a 1.5.

You guys should not even bother giving a one number rating system the merit to argue over. You cannot reduce a disc's flight to a single digit. It tells you absolutely nothing.

You guys should not even bother giving a one number rating system the merit to argue over. You cannot reduce a disc's flight to a single digit. It tells you absolutely nothing.



The number refers to stability which is a valid indication of the discs flight. It tells you a lot.

Unless Golfer A throws 450' and Golfer B Throws 250'. Then that number will mean completely different things to A and B respectively.

This disc is starting to sound a lot like the Torque with all these stability variances.

Unless Golfer A throws 450' and Golfer B Throws 250'. Then that number will mean completely different things to A and B respectively.

This disc is starting to sound a lot like the Torque with all these stability variances.



Right but a 1.5 stability rated disc for player A should have the same stability as a different 1.5 stability rated disc for the same palyer. The stability rating is common across all Discraft discs.

Exactly. The 1.5 will be totally different for A and B.

I don't remember my original point

Unless Golfer A throws 450' and Golfer B Throws 250'. Then that number will mean completely different things to A and B respectively.

This disc is starting to sound a lot like the Torque with all these stability variances.



Right but a 1.5 stability rated disc for player A should have the same stability as a different 1.5 stability rated disc for the same palyer. The stability rating is common across all Discraft discs.



What about a disc that is understable at high speeds but overstable at low speeds? I'll use the Spectra as an example. This type of disc will be totally overstable for someone who throws 300', but it will be a turnover disc for someone that throws 400'. Also, a Predator and a Reaper are both rated 2.5, but a Reaper will flip for a powerful thrower, yet a Predator will not. Also, I've thrown at least 100 different Buzzes and at least 30 different Wasps. At similar weights these discs are often the exact same stability, yet the "numbers" state .5 for the Buzz and 1.5 for a Wasp. So the number, aside from being arbitrary to begin with, is completely inaccurate.

I hate to say it, but Innova's rating system using 4 different categories (speed, glide, high speed turn, low speed fade) is 4x better and can actually tell a customer the difference b/w their many molds.

I think there's a lot of things that probably factor into why reports are somewhat all over the place, and I think another reason may be that we haven't been told what the disc is by the manufactorer, so we're getting very subjective and individualistic reviews on the disc. The first few time I threw this disc, I wasn't digging the FLXish ESP that it's made of and I was not getting a lot of clean releases, so it seemed less stable than my buzzz. Now I would put it slight more overstable than the buzzz, but still not as much as my Z Wasp. So technique, throw power, mold variations, and a lot of other little things could come into play. I've only thrown my 2 174 Pink ones, so maybe the heavier ones are a lot more stable, or maybe ones that are in different colors, or maybe there's some that are more stiff than the ones i received.
I'll probably keep my mouth shut on the topic from now on, and maybe some of circle D's team members could fill us in a little better,

But regardless, this disc won't be replacing my buzzz or wasp, but hat's off to discraft for hosting events like this, it makes for a good time.

I hate to say it, but Innova's rating system using 4 different categories (speed, glide, high speed turn, low speed fade) is 4x better and can actually tell a customer the difference b/w their many molds.



AGREED! And probably a sentiment shared by thousands of disc flingers. The one number system is totally useless. Even if it's fine for distinguishing overall stability between D-craft models, it's useless for trying to get a good feel for how the disc will typically perform.

I am still not wavering much after a few more rounds with this disc. I agree that it is a bit touchy to release angle for the HSS, but LSS is definitely there, and that's the consistency I want.

If using a superior rating system like innova's, I'd call it a -1 turn, 3 fade. I don't pay much attention to speed and glide ratings of mids, I'd say speed is similar to all other D-craft mids, and glide is more than a buzzz, less than a meteor.

Unless Golfer A throws 450' and Golfer B Throws 250'. Then that number will mean completely different things to A and B respectively.

This disc is starting to sound a lot like the Torque with all these stability variances.



It looks a bit like a mini torque too. As for the stability argu.... discussion, for me it comes down to what kind of power you are used to using on different shots. If I throw it 85%, it is gonna flip, not viciously, but over the top. If I throw it 55%, it is gonna hyzer the whole way. It made for a pretty decent one disc tourney. I hit basket on a dinker hyzer hole, and threw it hard anny into the chains on the next longer hole. Assign whatever numbers you wish to these characteristics. I didn't find it dependable enough to go in my bag, but it was fun to throw, and will be a great starter midrange for the next beginner I meet up with. Props to circle D, the only mids I carry. KP

After finally having our ace race, I'd have to say that it really depends on the color and weight of this disc for stability. My yellow 175s were stiffer, and closer in stability to my wasp. My green and pink ones were more flexy and were just a little more overstable than my buzzz, but not by much.

I don't think fairway drivers will be the focus of any dg company anymore, sadly. But with all that's been released, I bet this is probably the toughest class of discs to create something new and innovative. The demand probably isn't too high for fairway drivers as it is, with all the superfast drivers and driver-like mids hitting the market.

But I have to disagree on what you may call the weakest part of Discraft's lineup. They did have several discs like the X2, Cyclone 2, X Tracker, etc that were in this group of drivers, but they have been discontinued due I guess to low demand.

My biggest disagreement I have with your assertion is that the XL and the Cyclone cover these bases nicely. What more do they need inbetween these 2 and their highspeed drivers?? I know I can crank a Z XL as far as a lot of ams put throw their destroyers and surges. The Tracker is a nice disc as well, but the wildcat and avenger are a little fast to call a fairway driver, they resmeble more the Valkyrie and Starfire respectively.

Maybe these are the best fairway drivers that were going to get.

Having thrown the new Ace Race Disc I found it to be about the same stabilty as a Buzzz at high speed and at slow speed I would say it is in between a Buzzz and a Wasp. I found it to be a very predictable disc at the speed I was throwing it. What I didn't like was the plastic, it was to flexible and got pretty beat up after 3 rounds of throwing it. Based on that it won't make it into my bag at this time. However, if it was made in the Z plastic I would have to give it a second look.

Current Mids that I carry in my bag, just for comparison. First Run Buzzz, Z Buzzz, Cyztal Buzzz, 2-Z wasp, 2-Z Comet.

I also have to disagree with the Tracker falling short. The Tracker and the Buzzz are my work horses!

Richard

I don't think fairway drivers will be the focus of any dg company anymore, sadly. But with all that's been released, I bet this is probably the toughest class of discs to create something new and innovative. The demand probably isn't too high for fairway drivers as it is, with all the superfast drivers and driver-like mids hitting the market.

But I have to disagree on what you may call the weakest part of Discraft's lineup. They did have several discs like the X2, Cyclone 2, X Tracker, etc that were in this group of drivers, but they have been discontinued due I guess to low demand.

My biggest disagreement I have with your assertion is that the XL and the Cyclone cover these bases nicely. What more do they need inbetween these 2 and their highspeed drivers?? I know I can crank a Z XL as far as a lot of ams put throw their destroyers and surges. The Tracker is a nice disc as well, but the wildcat and avenger are a little fast to call a fairway driver, they resmeble more the Valkyrie and Starfire respectively.

Maybe these are the best fairway drivers that were going to get.



Sure, you could do fine with an XL and a Cyclone...but they are old and fly like Innova discs that have largely been discontinued (cheetah, gazelle). I played with exclusively Discraft for over a year and I really missed the TL and the Teebird. These discs are a speed b/w the XL and the Avenger that Discraft has very little to compare to. Newer mids and flippy drivers make those slow XLs and Cyclones really seem outdated (a Meteor flies almost as far as the XL and is more controllable, a Roadrunner can do what a Cyclone does thrown at 1/2 the power). The Avengers/Wildcats are too fast to be as accurate as Teebirds, but too slow to be legitimate distance drivers.

I would like to see some more discs similar to the Tracker's rim size and speed.

If this isn't the weakest spot in the Discraft lineup, then what is?

Glow plastic... I know they don't make it anymore and that sucks. Innova glow isn't great but they are making more and more molds in the glow (especially champ) plastic so I have to switch over during night rounds. The glow tournaments we have here in Columbus are glow disc only so it would be nice to see Circle D bring back some glow plastic.

I think the Tracker can be pretty close to the Teebird (depending on which run of Teebird you are trying to emulate) I know I throw a photon tracker in place of my glow teebird that I used to use. The Z trackers are a little more overstable than the Champ Teebirds but you can beat them in a little and they fly great.

But unless you are looking for a sponsorship... why not just throw a Teebird if you are looking for something that flies like a Teebird?

It seems like Discraft is really focused on stable mids...strangely enough it seems to me like this is already their strongest suit. The Buzz is still the best all-around stable mid out there, but it sure seems like D thinks that they can one-up it.

I wish Discraft would spend some time on straight fairway type drivers. I really feel this is the weak spot in their lineup. The mids and distance drivers are as good as Innova's (at least), but the Wildcats, XSs, Reapers, Xpress, Trackers, Avengers, etc all fall short in comparison.

Too bad the old Vortex and MRX did not sell well enough to keep them in the Mid Range lineup.

The ace race disc is nice but I agree the plastic did beat in pretty fast. I found it a good mid close to the buzz but it will not make it in the bag. My current mids are Flx buzz DX Roc camp roc and S-line P2

Has the disc that Discraft used for the Ace Race last year (08) been approved by the PDGA yet? If so what did they call it?

If not any word when it will be official to use in tourney play?

its been approved for some time. called the nebula.

I practiced with it the other day and this disc is straight!!! I find it to be a turnover resistant Buzzz. Going to keep working with it more, but it looks like we might have a keeper.

thanks

And to people like me who are totally ignorant to what the Ace Race is...


The Race Is On! Each Autumn, disc golfers from around the world gather at their local courses for one purpose: to throw aces! No putting, no approaching... just runnin' at the chains.

To add to the challenge and excitement, players all throw the same model disc: in past years this has been a brand new, never-seen-before Discraft prototype disc that is introduced each year especially for Ace Race. All players get one of these discs to throw, and one to collect.

To run an Ace Race, no previous experience as a Tournament Director is required. Many thousands of disc golfers came out to throw at nearly 200 local events in 2007. Ace Race is expected to grow much larger in 2008, so don't wait to register your event! Typically, Ace Races are limited to one per community. If you wait, someone could lock in the Ace Race in your town ahead of you.

Get ready to run it! We'll see you at the Ace Race.



I had to look it up :p

So August is here and I haven't seen any mention of this year's Ace Race discs...either Discraft has kept it a better secerte than past years or no one cares? Figured we'd of heard something once the World Flymarts were held.....


Just got our's in a little while ago. To me, feels like FLX plastic with maybe a kind of wasp bottom(not exactly, but kind of) with an added micro-bead. Then the top kind of reminds me of a Cyclone, but "midranged". Guess what I mean by that is it's got that kind of rolled or beaded top.....Anyway can't wait to see how they fly this weekend!

We contested the 2010 Discraft Ace Race in Pittsburgh this past weekend. Playing at Schenely Park from the red tees, most of the holes were 125' to 150' in length (perfect for an Ace Race). I was surprised how stable the disc was when throwing these short holes at slower speeds. I am interested in how the disc performs when throwing distances of 250'+.

If anyone is reading this and you have never played in a Discraft Ace Race, you should consider attending one of these events. The format is a lot of fun! :)

Are they PDGA approved?

Are they PDGA approved?

Presently, it looks like the answer is "no".

http://discgolfacerace.com/faq.html

I can throw mine hard and it goes straight , then a slight stable fade at the end.

A guy hit a $400 ace at our mini last week with his. Hole was about 250' with a hyzer skip finish needed to Ace.....and he got it!

I kind of thought it flew like a slower Drone at our Ace Race. Maybe not quite as much fade, but pretty overstable!

Still hope this isn't replacing the Z-Wasp! We tried to order some stamped Wasps(dyed and regular) for our tourney this weekend and they were out, and said they would be out for a while. So it made me worry.....

What plastic is this years disc, ESP?

I liked the disc. i got a 173 and a 178. The 173 was really good at holding its line with a consistent gentle fade. I am dying to get out and throw this thing for distance and see what it does. Very predictable. Straight and fast. I'll come post back when i actually get to test it out. but so far i like what i see.

now that i got to throw it some its like a longer faster cro. holds a good hard straight line with predictable fade. seems to fly well in the wind. still not sure if it really has a place out there. definitly not a suitable replacement for the wasp

definitly not a suitable replacement for the wasp

I didn't think so either, just worried me that Discraft was out of them right at the time these came in.

Last chance to play is Birmingham Oct 30 or 31.

Does anyone know of a town that had 100 entries, 90, 80, 70?

Scott Papa up in WA state usually hosts more than 100 people.

100 players is impressive. Any other big numbers out there?

whats the word on the 2010 getting approved? anyone wanna leak the name?