so how can you tell if a dsic you have is a 1st run?

so how can you tell if a dsic you have is a 1st run?



Many times they say "First Run" on them. Otherwise it depends on the disc.

What disc are you talking about? All discs are different. Some say 1st run on the stamp.

none i have say 1st run, i wasjust wondering how you coudl tell is all. i found a roctoday and the stamp faces right vs left. all therocsi have the stap(bird) looks left

i also have some xpresses that just look old

justwonderin and all

Cut it in half and count the rings.

Cut it in half and count the rings.



LOL


But it depends alot on the disc. Some will flat out say "1st run" like Pro TeeBird I saw at a disc shop. Said "1st Run Pro TeeBird" on the stamp. Some will just have a bigger than usual stamp. Discraft seems to do this alot lately, the 1st run Flash, will have a big FLASH stamp, the Buzzz wil have a big BUZZZ with a wasp on there...etc.

Bottom line it depends on the disc. It would help if you used some spaces in your posts too ;)

EDIT: If you think you found a 1st run Roc, I think they were made out of stone tablets, thats how long that disc has been made ;)

the roc i found looks OLD good condition

none i have say 1st run, i wasjust wondering how you coudl tell is all. i found a roctoday and the stamp faces right vs left. all therocsi have the stap(bird) looks leftjustwonderin and all


none i have say 1st run, i wasjust wondering how you coudl tell is all. i found a roctoday and the stamp faces right vs left. all therocsi have the stap(bird) looks left

If an Innova disc has the animal/character logo hotstamp, it is almost certainly not a first run. Typically (note, "typically": there are exceptions), Innova first-run DX discs have minimal graphics: often, they will be stamped with just the word "INNOVA" and the disc name and description. Older discs models (pre-2000 or so) may be star-stamped or bar-stamped. My understanding is that the graphic/logo is not designed until after the disc has been approved and released (the dragon and the hydra being two exceptions to this "rule"), and, in fact, the logo go through two or three versions before settling on a final design, (e.g., the different Teebird and Beast logos). With the exception of the CE Spider (for which there was only one run), there does not appear to be any "standard" or "typical" first run logo for premium and semi-premium plastics.

RED, YEAH

the roc i found looks OLD good condition

If it doesn't say "San Marino, CA" on the underside of the flight plate, it absolutely won't be a first run, but even if it DOES say "San Marino, CA" it still may not be first run.

Discraft seems to do this alot lately, the 1st run Flash, will have a big FLASH stamp



actually, the first run flash also has a "first run" label on it. the second and possibly third runs had the same big letters but without the first run.

oddly enough, every pro teebird i've seen has first run label (so either these haven't sold well, the first run was huge, or they haven't changed the stamp yet), but the first run pro orc doesn't.

actually, the first run flash also has a "first run" label on it. the second and possibly third runs had the same big letters but without the first run.




I'm pretty sure the 2nd run just went straight to the standard edge markings, because I watched the local disc store like a hawk waiting for a PDGA approved one ;)

and very true about the markings on the pro orc.

I have an unthrown CE Teebird which I believe to be a 2nd run disc. How can I tell?

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what color is it? Is it marked T or TL?

Hey kid you like the TL from the marathon charity event for Lance?

actually, the first run flash also has a "first run" label on it. the second and possibly third runs had the same big letters but without the first run.




I'm pretty sure the 2nd run just went straight to the standard edge markings, because I watched the local disc store like a hawk waiting for a PDGA approved one ;)

and very true about the markings on the pro orc.



I've seen some Flashes with the big lettering that say "First Run" on them and some that don't. I haven't actually seen any with the small lettering around the rim yet. Perhaps the store I go to sold out the first run ones quickly and have been sitting on a bunch of second runs while the store you go to didn't reorder until a later run.

Hey kid you like the TL from the marathon charity event for Lance?



I got one but have not thrown it.

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I've seen some Flashes with the big lettering that say "First Run" on them and some that don't. I haven't actually seen any with the small lettering around the rim yet. Perhaps the store I go to sold out the first run ones quickly and have been sitting on a bunch of second runs while the store you go to didn't reorder until a later run.



Humm... Interesting. Yeah I wouldnt' doubt that the place I shop for discs did that. They seem to order way too many at a time. It is a conveience store after all, Disc Golf isn't really thier top priority. I know one thing for a fact, the Flash is a sweet disc!

what color is it? Is it marked T or TL?



It's a light purple (T) w/white stamping. It's not see-thru either.

I'm pretty sure it's a 2nd run.

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purple wasn't an available color for CE TL's until run #4, which was marked with a T and was the last run of TL molded CE teebirds. the 4th run were opaque with the exception of a few lighter weight white ones that were ~95% opaque.

purple wasn't an available color for CE TL's until run #4, which was marked with a T and was the last run of TL molded CE teebirds. the 4th run were opaque with the exception of a few lighter weight white ones that were ~95% opaque.

Yup.

purple wasn't an available color for CE TL's until run #4, which was marked with a T and was the last run of TL molded CE teebirds. the 4th run were opaque with the exception of a few lighter weight white ones that were ~95% opaque.

Yup.



Ditto. It is 4th run. Not 2nd.

How can I tell if my classic roc is a first run?

DX or CE Classic Roc?

if CE the first runs were all orange.

I thought there were some of the "Yellow" CE 1st run's also?

yes, there may have been. i realize now that my memory is sort of hazy. the ce classic rocs were available in the same colors as the '02 ce rocs... which i can't recall off hand.

I know nothing about classic rocs but 02 CE Rocs were in orange, pink and yellow.

All of the DX Classics I've seen with the old school stamp have been orange.

It's DX plastic, and it is blue with what I would think is the old school stamp(not real familar with Classic Rocs), it's got a copy write date on the front of 1995, it says innova champion on the front, and on the back it was made in ontario, ca. It also has a #8 stamped on the front below the pdga approved writing.

I belive that the #8 is the mold # so it would not be a 1st run.

The Yellow that i speak of is the same color as the 1st/2nd run Eagle/T-Bird.
The stamp is from 02 so is it possible for the disc to have been "Made in 01" ???????????

That was the regular classic roc stamp.It was designed to look like the Wings and Rings stamp. There were plenty produced with that stamp. It's old but not particularly special.

I belive that the #8 is the mold # so it would not be a 1st run.

You're confusing the mold # with run #. The #8 in the Classic Roc logo does commemorate the fact that the original "Wings-n-Rings" Roc was Innova's eighth disc model, but it appears on every run of Classic Rocs, be it first run, fourth run, fifteenth run, or fiftieth run.

If memory serves, the original Roc (aka, "Wing-n-Rings" Roc) was released in around 1987/1988, and briefly retired in the early 90's. Due to continued steady player demand for the Wing-n-Rings Roc, however, it was "unretired" (or, to be precise, a new mold was cut) and brought back as the "Classic Roc" to avoid confusion with the current (aka, "Big") Roc. Also if memory serves, the "retirement" period was relatively brief. Although I am not a collector, and do not keep track of disc prices/values, my impression is that the market for first run Classic Rocs is relatively small, and the going price for mint conditions first run CRs would be relatively modest compared to other first run discs.

The "1995" in the Classic Roc logo commemorates the year that the "Wings-n-Rings" Roc was "unretired." The #8 and the 1995 are part of the standard Classic Roc hotstamp, so with the exception of tournament stamps, all Classic Rocs will have them.

Unlike the "Big" Roc, which has undergone minor modifications over the years, as reflected in the mold markings (San Marino, Ontario, Rancho Cucamonga), with Classic Rocs, the mold marking "Ontario" has no particular value, beyond indicating the city in which Innova was located when the Classic Roc mold was made. The Classic Roc has not been modified since its (re-)release, so all Classic Rocs, regardless of age, run #, or plastic, say "Ontario" (as do all Rhynos), just as all Aviars, regardless of age, run #, plastic, say "San Marino." Original "Wings-n-Rings" Rocs, however, say "San Marino."

I am about 80% sure that you are right about 1988 being the little Roc debut. I have a 1988 Norman Pro/Am stamp but have never seen one older.

Thanks for the history lesson fore, I recently scored and fell in love with a CFR Classic Roc and have wondered what the story was behind the mold, and how it differed from a regular Roc.

Kid Roc, I'm about 90% sure on 1988 being the debut year. I bought my first "Wings-n-Rings" when I visited a friend in Raleigh on Spring Break '88 (still have it. Also, played my first basket course (Kentwood) that Spring Break, too.) The store manager, who was a dg'er, said they were new. Since they didn't sell used discs, I assumed he meant they were a new mold. :)

I am about 80% sure that you are right about 1988 being the little Roc debut. I have a 1988 Norman Pro/Am stamp but have never seen one older.



I've got a Roc from the '87 Worlds that was held in Canada. So I'm 100% sure they first came out in '87. The deep orange Football stamp, 168g were the first runs, I believe.

I got a 87 willy wood classis roc

I have a 175 G Valk with some flashing around the rim. I have thrown it only a few times, and bought it right when they first came out. How do I tell if it is a first/second/twenty-fifth run? It is red with a black stamp, and boy is it FLAT!

Sounds like a 2nd run...find someone with a 'fershure' 2nd run and compare the flatness.