Anyone thrown the new Pro line TL's that are of the Champ/Pro plastic blend. Comparisons to other teebird molds and plastics would be helpful.

I got two in 168 and 169. They're pretty domey, I don't think quite as domey as the Pro T, but def. more than the Champion/CFR TL. Flies dead straight for me right out of the box, and really long. Instantly took a place in my bag next to beat DX T's for straight shots where I have to sit down quickly.

I can certainly second that at 172g.

I can't crush it, but it is dead straight when its level, that's for sure

Thats exactly what im looking for, and I'm ecstatic my favorite disc is now (hopefully) a regular in the innova line. I will be stocking up on these.

Other than maybe feel of pastic and probably grip. Would there be any flight differences in the pastic from say a CE Teebird TL ?

They're domier, so less stable than the CE.

got out to a field with these today. out of the box they are less stable than a new dx teebird. very grippy, although they don't feel at all like they have any champ plastic blended in--they feel just like my 1st run pro t's. they are also way too domey i think. this does result in awesome glide with very little fade though. i realize that this material cools differently, resulting in the floppy, domey top. if we could have a disc with the exact shape,dome,etc. as a cfr tl, but in this plastic, we would have a winner. maybe more champion plastic should be blended in ? i will use these for high altitude and downwind shots, and for turnovers. does anyone know if ALL of these tl's were blended, or just some? mine do not feel like it.

Mine definitely feel different than the earlier Pro discs I have (First Run T, Birdie). A little slicker, maybe? Hard to describe, but I do feel some difference.

Do they have the Leopard bottom or not?

jimg:
Dave Dunipace has said that no TL has a Leopard bottom.
I think he finally agreed that the 'L' was for 'Less Stable.'

I have always heard that the L meant TeeBird Long. So I guess we need someone from INNOVA to clarify this.

Also, Someone mentioned the CFR Glow TL's. Are these better than these new pro line? Are they flatter with less dome? Which gets the most distance? What is the difference between the two? Im trying to determine which to buy.

L means less stable. END OF STORY!

L means less stable. END OF STORY!



I second that!!!

L means less stable. END OF STORY!



According to this the new Pro TeeBird-L is actually more stable than the Pro TeeBird:

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Equipment&Number=214959&Searchpage=0&Main=42323&Search=true&#Post214959

L means less stable. END OF STORY!



According to this the new Pro TeeBird-L is actually more stable than the Pro TeeBird:

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?
Board=Equipment&Number=214959&Searchpage=0&Main=42323&Search=true&#Post214959 (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Equipment&Number=214959&Searchpage=0&Main=42323&Search=true&#Post214959)



No, what this means is that the L is more understable than the Pro. Unfortunately, DGers tend not to be very careful with their semantics. "More stable" in most contexts means "less overstable," but it can be taken to mean "more overstable," and thus we get confusion. In most cases, it would be more clear if we simply said that Disc A is more or less over- or understable than Disc B, rather than saying one disc is "more stable" than another. Alas, the "L" designation by Innova (where they really mean the disc is less overstable, but say then sometimes use the words "less stable" to explain) is an example of this ambiguity.

Anyone have reviews of their durability.

Interesting here is a quote off of a site, I guess he is wrong by what your saying.

"FINALLY! After having the product warehoused for more than a month and sending out both a June Product Update and a July Product Update announcing it's forthcoming release, Innova has finally released the Pro Line Teebird TL! For the record, TL stands for Teebird-Long, not Teebird-Leopard, but it's easier to say it's a Teebird-Leopard when trying to explain the difference in flight characteristics and overall design between the two Teebird molds. The Teebird TL is a straighter, less stable version than it's famous Teebird T brother and has a flatter bottom-half, offering a much more comfortable grip. Innova has finally come up with a new blend of premium plastic that is extremely similar to the classic Special Edition/KC Pro Line material that made the original KC Pro Line of discs famous. Innova's Pro Line plastic is a premium blend material that features added durability while retaining excellent "grip" qualities.
Available Weights: 165-175g, Many Colors Available
Stability Rating: Speed: 7 Glide: 5 Turn: 0 Fade: +.5
Speed(1-10) is how quickly a disc cuts through the air, where 10 is the fastest.
Glide(1-7) is how much "carry" or "float" a disc has where 7 is the most.
The flight of the disc is broken into two phases and rated individually.
High Speed Turn is the first part and is rated from -3 (most understable) to +1 (most overstable).
Fade is the end of the flight and it is rated from 0 (stable) to +3 (overstable)."

From www.sunkingdiscs.com (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com)

Oh yea, my bad I forgot this was "END OF STORY!"

L means less stable. END OF STORY!



According to this the new Pro TeeBird-L is actually more stable than the Pro TeeBird:

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?
Board=Equipment&Number=214959&Searchpage=0&Main=42323&Search=true&#Post214959 (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Equipment&Number=214959&Searchpage=0&Main=42323&Search=true&#Post214959)



No, what this means is that the L is more understable than the Pro. Unfortunately, DGers tend not to be very careful with their semantics. "More stable" in most contexts means "less overstable," but it can be taken to mean "more overstable," and thus we get confusion. In most cases, it would be more clear if we simply said that Disc A is more or less over- or understable than Disc B, rather than saying one disc is "more stable" than another. Alas, the "L" designation by Innova (where they really mean the disc is less overstable, but say then sometimes use the words "less stable" to explain) is an example of this ambiguity.



In that post he suggests that it has more resistance to high speed turn (fore is worried it will be more understable and Dave said that he shouldn't worry about that). Isn't that the opposite of "understable?"

For that matter, isn't straighter the definition of stable ?

For that matter, isn't straighter the definition of stable ?



Sorry to sound fussy, but what I am sure you meant to say is "isn't straight the definition of stable?" ;)

Anyway, you are right. The problem, though, arises when people say one disc is "more stable" than another. Sometimes they mean "straighter," but sometimes they mean "more overstable." This is a semantic discussion that has appeared at various times on this board. My preference is to say, for example, that a Buzzz is less overstable than a Wasp, rather than say a Buzzz is more stable than a Wasp, because some people will read the latter statement as meaning that the Wasp flies straighter -- the opposite of what I was trying to convey.

Nice troll, jimg. :) (All y'all can remove the hooks from your mouths now. :eek:)

Player One, Sun King Discs is wrong. Dave Dunipace (the founder, owner, and disc designer for Innova) has stated repeatedly that the "L" stands for "Less stable, Longer gliding, and more Leopard-like (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Equipment&Number=128636&Searchpage=0&Main=42323&Search=true&#Post128636)," and " TL means Less stable Longer Leopardlike, but no it does not have a Leopard bottom. (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Equipment&Number=36125&Searchpage=0&Main=36114&Search=true&#Post36125)."

Any information on the durablity of these?
I love my ProLine Leopard (it is a blend of pro and candy from about 2 years ago) it has very good durablity and excellent grip, I would love a TL in that plastic.
Is this current run more durable then the SE TeeBirds of the past, and how do they compare flight wise??
Cheers,
Matt
P.S. Who Cares what the L stands for, the flight is what matters.....but it is less stable...hahahaha ;)

Ok. Cool, yea it doesn't matter to me what it means. I was just getting things stirred up. Anyways, now that that is out of the way. What is the difference between the CFR Glow TL's and these new Pro Line?

For that matter, isn't straighter the definition of stable ?



That was my point, too. I pointed it out because it's just going to get harder and harder to understand what people mean when they say "stable" if even the manufacturers send mixed messages about what the word means. The TeeBird-L (a.k.a. TeeBird-"Less Stable") is described as being "more stable" by the manufacturer. :confused: Why not say the "L" in this case means "Less Fade" if that's what they really mean?

Granted, it's probably some sort of marketing thing that I don't understand, so the people who design the discs may not be the source, but it's still confusing.

durability of these are better than the 1st run pro-line stuff.

Has anyone out there thrown the old "SE Leopards" and these new Teebird-L's I am curious to know the comparison in durability b/w these two plastics.

thanks :D

this new blend is more durable i woud say. these fly like the old se tls for me.

thank you very much sir :D

Yeah Ok so I got one of these TLs and man they are sweet! the plastic is so much better than the Pro Orc I have... I hit a tree dead on, at driver speed, about 45 feet infront of me (D'oh) I couldnt even see a scratch... They fly dead straight for me, almost like a really long aviar... cool disc

I threw mine on this hole last night:

http://www.playdg.com/rosland/?h=8

and while I normally go to the right of that front tree, I accidently threw it to the left of it. Normally that would mean that either the disc would end up in or across the street or would turn over and dive into the ground, but the Pro TL flew pretty much dead straight without fading and landed right on the path slightly to the left of the teepad. I've never seen a disc take that line before.

when i first started playing, I hit that grey house on the left. :o

Anyone throwing these?
Any new reviews after some wear?
How do they compare to old SE TeeBirds?
Thanks,
Matt

I got a 150 Pro TL recently, and it out-flies anything else I've ever thrown. It's longer than my 155 CE/Champion Leopards, and more predictable than my 150 JK Valks. This disc has a straight, consistent overall flight, with some low-speed fade, but not a huge amount. This is the first disc I've found that I can throw 300' with any regularity. I can't vouch for what it will do for the bigger arms, but it's a terrific disc for players without much D.

better [a little] durability than the 1st run tees, slightly less stable than a new dx tee. not much low speed fade. awesome for straight, turns, downwind, control drives at 75% power. love mine

yeah I never tried the 1st run tees, but I had a couple Pro Orcs... I find the new blen TLs to be much stiffer, and they do hold up better to trees (instead of taco-ing immediately) I love this disc though... never really tried the TL before, but man this disc is sweet... so straight at high speeds, it flies like an aviar (if it were a driver) :D

Man, I want some of these. My local store has to sell the half-dozen or so crappy Pro TLs before they order more, which will HOPEFULLY be the new blend. The crappy ones still fly great, but I want this disc for the long, wooded holes I play frequently, and durability is a big issue.