What is the difference between a big bead and a small bead aviar, what does bead mean? Are all models of the aviar either one or the other? What are the advantages? Thanx, Chris

What is the difference between a big bead and a small bead aviar, what does bead mean? Are all models of the aviar either one or the other? What are the advantages? Thanx, Chris



Well ..........the advantage is atleast you are throwing an Aviar.
I like them all. Big beads wear a bit longer than small beads.
Unless of course they are Pro Plastic or Candy Types. No worries though , they are all great discs. I think everybody now makes a Type of Aviar disc , even Whamo :eek:
Just bought a Whamo (Aviar Like Disc ) at Walmart the other day.

Dude.........don't be fooled though. Throw the original Aviar.
Ask the US Distance Champion Ken Jarvis or ask the 2 time world disc golf champion or even ask the 11 time World Disc golf champion. ( Barry and Ken Climo). I like the Aviar -X myself for putting. :D

Dude. Wizards are just as good. Don't go stating that Aviars are THE best. Great, yes. But there are other good putters. Many good Innova and Discraft golfers have said they would putt with a Wizard if they weren't sponsored.

a bead is a rounded ring added to the bottom of the disc. the original aviar was beadless, the big bead aviar was the aviar with a bead added (i think this original modification was permanent). the small bead aviar was a modification done to shave off the big bead and create a mold similar to the original beadless aviar. however, the aviar-x is a modification on the old big bead that made the bead a little smaller... i think i remember reading Dave posting once that all the newer big beads are the aviar-x type big bead.

the big bead aviars = classic aviar, champion aviar, kc aviar, and jk aviar
small bead aviars = aviar putt & approach, ce aviar, omega ss/ap/driver/q

similar comparisons exist between the rhyno (big bead aviar bottom) and the tank (small bead aviar bottom).

the bead seems to change the flight path a little bit, making the disc more high speed stable and prolong the low speed overstability until later in the flight. read as, the big bead aviars will be a bit straighter than the aviar putter. imo, the flight difference is like comparing the teebird to the eagle. the only objective advantage to the bead is that it adds to durability although others will probably have arguments both for and against it.

if you are still unsure of what a bead is, you can also compare certain models together such as a stingray vs. cobra, xd vs. classic roc, panther vs. gremlin/sniper, or buzz vs. wasp.

Hey I love my wizards and I know quite a few other people that do too. But IMO the 10x KC Aviar is a wonderful disc as is the Aviar P&A.

if you are still unsure of what a bead is, you can also compare certain models together such as a stingray vs. cobra, xd vs. classic roc, panther vs. gremlin/sniper, or buzz vs. wasp.



so are you saying that a classic roc is a modified xd? thats interesting, i putt with an xd right now, but am contemplating the other options, aviars, wizards, magnets, so i can invest in a putter bundle of a dozen identical putters to practice with.
although i dont find the world distance champion's putter choice very persuasive, barry and ken do provide good evidence to the aviar's quality. but i feel that the wizard and other developments in technology, i.e. dimples, may play a role in putter formation and flight charecteristics. thanks again for your input! Chris

if i remember correctly from what i've read/heard, the classic roc may have been the first beaded disc. someone told me that it was just a beaded XD, but someone else told me it was an XD top with a different bottom that happened to have a bead.

i went through an XD phase when i was uncomfortable with deep rimmed putters. now i'm acclimated to deeper putters and prefer them due to their slower speed (they don't blow by as far).

currently, i only like to throw putters i can throw 300'+ without fear of turning them over and the only three that consistently fall into that category are the wizard, challenger, and big bead aviar. i can putt about equally well with any of them (make % from 25' is under 5% difference between them) but i think they're all quality products.

imo, hunt for flight characteristics you are searching for and then see what is available in each category.

KC 11x are my bread and butter right now.....followed by the 10x......followed by a 9x.And almost always got a beat DX for straight to annie.Dont be fooled by imitators and player haters.
p.s. I got a stack of wizards ill trade for KCs.

Dude. Wizards are just as good. Don't go stating that Aviars are THE best. Great, yes. But there are other good putters. Many good Innova and Discraft golfers have said they would putt with a Wizard if they weren't sponsored.



Well then.............I need some 175gram Soft Wizard's then :D

Ill take great over good.still got them Wizards for trade

Dude. Wizards are just as good. Don't go stating that Aviars are THE best. Great, yes. But there are other good putters. Many good Innova and Discraft golfers have said they would putt with a Wizard if they weren't sponsored.



Dude. He was talking about Kenny putting w/ an original Aviar (smallbead I'm guessing). Not busting on Wizards. The Wizard and the Big Bead are similar. The Wizard and the Small Bead... those are like day and night. IMHO both are great discs. Both are in my bag right now. I just use them for different things.

What is the difference between a big bead and a small bead aviar, what does bead mean? Are all models of the aviar either one or the other? What are the advantages? Thanx, Chris



The difference is at the bottom of the rim, and it affects the feel and flight of the disc. I personaly like the feel of the big bead; but it is just a feel thing. However, the flight is also different: the bigger bead makes the disc more stable, (not as easy to turn over and with more fade at the end).
You will see alot of players using the Big Bead as a short range driver and the Small Bead as their putter becuase of the lower fade.

Wizards, Aviars, and Challengers are all GREAT discs. And remember it is the Indian not the Arrow.
Learn good techniques and you can throw anything, and then it just comes down to a feel/cost issue.

Cheers,
Matt

Dude. Wizards are just as good. Don't go stating that Aviars are THE best. Great, yes. But there are other good putters. Many good Innova and Discraft golfers have said they would putt with a Wizard if they weren't sponsored.



Dude. He was talking about Kenny putting w/ an original Aviar (smallbead I'm guessing). Not busting on Wizards. The Wizard and the Big Bead are similar. The Wizard and the Small Bead... those are like day and night. IMHO both are great discs. Both are in my bag right now. I just use them for different things.



Thanks for the backup. :cool:

No problem ;)

if i remember correctly from what i've read/heard, the classic roc may have been the first beaded disc. someone told me that it was just a beaded XD, but someone else told me it was an XD top with a different bottom that happened to have a bead.

i went through an XD phase when i was uncomfortable with deep rimmed putters. now i'm acclimated to deeper putters and prefer them due to their slower speed (they don't blow by as far).



That is very interesting. I recently switched from an aviar (small bead) to an XD for putts. My short game now consists of CE Classic Rocs and XD's. I love how cleanly the XD comes out of the hand. It seems to me that the XD is just a planed down aviar...

Technically, the XD is the "Aviar XD". For "Xtra Distance", I presume.

if i remember correctly from what i've read/heard, the classic roc may have been the first beaded disc. someone told me that it was just a beaded XD, but someone else told me it was an XD top with a different bottom that happened to have a bead.

i went through an XD phase when i was uncomfortable with deep rimmed putters. now i'm acclimated to deeper putters and prefer them due to their slower speed (they don't blow by as far).



That is very interesting. I recently switched from an aviar (small bead) to an XD for putts. My short game now consists of CE Classic Rocs and XD's. I love how cleanly the XD comes out of the hand. It seems to me that the XD is just a planed down aviar...



I believe there is archived info somewhere posted on this topic.
I have the original Aviar. It has no bead.
The Aviar XD ( xd stood for extra distance ) did not originally have a bead. Yes , I do have one of the originals.
2 different versions of the XD evolved.
One of them had a shaved down rim called the Ace. Later evolving into the Hammer. The Hammer may have also evolved to have a bead. It was shallower in the rim than the Roc.
The second version had a bead. This was called the Roc.
Yes , it looked like an XD with a bead.

Wow - over 4 years of reading just about every thread on this board (besides the 'How do you throw MRV' - gave up on that one in it's first week ) and this is the first time I have learned that the XD = Aviar xtra distance.
Thanks :)

small bead aviars = aviar putt & approach, ce aviar, omega ss/ap/driver/q




Speaking of CE Aviars, I have a first run 175 gram 2001 Las Vegas Halloween Classic stamped disc up for auction here on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3696496022).

ps - Blake, thanks for your indepth analytical articles.