This year's SoCal Disc Golf Championships will be held at beautiful La Mirada Regional Park on September 25th and 26th. This will be a 4 round tourney, with 2 rounds on Saturday and 2 rounds on Sunday. No final 9s. Entry forms are available at:

http://www.socaldiscgolf.org/

This year the Finals will be one weekend instead of two, so space will be more limited. There is a hard cap of 144 players on the dual 18 hole course layout. That means 4-somes, which is so much more enjoyable to play. :)

Also new is a priority registration period for current SoCal members, which lasts from now through August 21st. With 136 current members and 144 spots, every single SoCal member can play this event. This is a benefit of supporting the organization. We hope to mail out entry forms this weekend, but tell your SoCal member friends about this priority period so that they can fer sure get in too.

Entries must be received by the 21st to guarrantee a spot. On the 22nd I will add any non-member entries I have received to the registration list.

This is a PDGA B-Tier event. We are working on another killer players pack, and hope to top last year's by a little bit. There will also be CTPs and probably a drawing. At this point, we are not providing lunch, but hope to work something out about that if we can. Check the SoCal website for breaking news as the event gets closer.

And sign up today!

Entry forms for the SoCal Championships were mailed to all current members along with a newsletter today. Use your benefit of membership and sign up before August 21st to guarrantee a spot!

VERY VERY KEWL.
I have not been able to play all the SoCal tournaments this year, but i will work hard to play at the Championships at the finest Socal course.

I see the flyer states "Only the following divisions will be offered" and I don't see an FPM division. Does this mean Tita, Beth, Vicky, Susie, Emina and I will all be forced to play FPO?

I see the flyer states "Only the following divisions will be offered" and I don't see an FPM division. Does this mean Tita, Beth, Vicky, Susie, Emina and I will all be forced to play FPO?



don't worry michelle... the tournament already happened and rhett let you gals play fpm and you won in a 3 hole playoff...it was great to see! :D

hope i can make the so cal championship next time it comes around :eek:

Only the divisions that can meet the Series Champ minimum requirement are being offerend. (Takes 4 tourneys in Am divisions and 5 in pro divisions.)

So no FPM. Sorry.

One thing to note is that the SoCal Championships are unfortunately conflicting with the Women's Nationals, so there shouldn't be any big guns coming to town in FPO.

Only the divisions that can meet the Series Champ minimum requirement are being offerend. (Takes 4 tourneys in Am divisions and 5 in pro divisions.)

So no FPM. Sorry.



Gee, I wonder why. Could it be that we were forced to play FPO for most of the year??? i.e., we could have met that requirement had the TDs let us play in our division all year. This sux being the only division to be discriminated against, both in age and gender. I only went to the Santa Maria tourney so I could be No. 1 in our division. Turns out it was a waste of my time, money and energy. In case you guys didn't know, most of the So Cal women are over 40. We've paid our dues for an average of 20 years each... and this is the paybacks we get.

And you guys wonder why we can't get women out there to play????? Wonder no more. Now you know.

Please consider running for a SoCal BOD position so that you can help make the changes that will make you happy. Like a lot of things, people in disc golf who think they are "being screwed" should be the most motivated to step up and make it better.

I am sorry that you feel you "wasted" your time, money, and energy by traveling to one of the most beautiful courses around to play in a disc golf tournament that was full.

i liked my answer better....alot less nasty ;)

No thanks - I'm outnumbered there as well.

How can you guys expect to entice more women to play when you don't even take care of the ones you have!!

How can you guys expect to entice more women to play when you don't even take care of the ones you have!!



There are no more "you guys". Please consider running for office, or at least help plan a tourney so you can talk the TD into offering FPM.

Tournaments are run by individual TDs, and each of them decide what divisions to offer.

Well, you're TDing this event. What are my chances of talking you into allowing this division? My guess is slim to none. True?

Think big, Michelle. There's a whole lifetime of tournaments ahead that you can help.

No thanks. I put in my share of volunteer work in the 80's and 90's. Paid my dues there as well.

You still didn't answer my question so I'm taking it that there's no way to get YOU to let us have an FPM division?

No thanks. I put in my share of volunteer work in the 80's and 90's.


Good for you.



You still didn't answer my question so I'm taking it that there's no way to get YOU to let us have an FPM division?


No FPM. Only the divisions listed, just like the entry form says. I expect Juliana to be playing the Women's Nationals instead of La Mirada, so you should be fine playing FPO.

You should decide soon about playing, and send in your entry so it gets to me by the 21st. I already received one entry yesterday! I couldn't believe I got one back so fast.

Then I'll not waste my time "trying to talk them into" anything. It's not just JK we donate to. Take a look at last year's and you'll see only one FPM made any money while the rest donated to the younger players. I'll go ahead and send in my entry but based on who's signed up, I may or may not withdraw. I'll let you know by the 22nd.

BTW, I think we should also get rid of the Male, Am II, Masters, Dudes with blue shirts, Division as well... or whatever one it is that you play in -- just to see how YOU like it. :p

Then I'll not waste my time "trying to talk them into" anything.


There's a whole lifetime of tourneys ahead that you could help out at and have a say as to what divisions are offered. Do something to ensure your own happiness instead of just whining and complaining after somebody else does something. Maybe you could be the difference in whether a tourney even happens next year or not.



It's not just JK we donate to. Take a look at last year's and you'll see only one FPM made any money while the rest donated to the younger players.


Tita would've made $70 more had she shot the same score in FPO last year. I don't know what the heck you are talking about when you say you donated to younger players. FPM played for 100% of their own entry fees. None of it went to FPO. If the three of you had played FPO it would've paid deeper and Tita and Beth still would've cashed. you would've beaten three youngsters instead of finishing DFL. You are flat out wrong on this.

Plus I remember the headaches of last year's final well. You were (seemingly) happily signed up for FPO for a while...until JK entered the tourney. Then all of a sudden it was a huge frickin' deal that FPM wasn't offered. Whatever.



BTW, I think we should also get rid of the Male, Am II, Masters, Dudes with blue shirts, Division as well... or whatever one it is that you play in -- just to see how YOU like it. :p


Michelle, I truly encourage you to put on your own tournament and make all your own decisions about divisions, location, payout, entry fees, etc etc. I will be fine if you decide to not offer the division I usually play in. If it looks to be a fun time, I will play whatever division I can. If not, I won't play. I certainly won't lambast you and whine and cry about how unfair you are being because you are doing all the work and I am doing nothing yet you aren't doing what I want. You put it on, you make the choices.

I think my reasons for limiting the divisions are quite reasonable. You are free to disagree with that and vote with your dollars by not playing.

easy rhett...i WANT her to enter so i can finally get to meet her when i know who she is :D
maybe she won't hide from me like she did in san diego :eek:

Maybe Michelle caught Rhett on an off day, he is using logic or something. :)

I think I am going to go start an "I Hate Rhett" thread somewhere so we can quit dragging down the SoCal Championships thread...

Three confirmed entries already! Get those forms in. :)

i want to be on the BOD for that club :D

There's a whole lifetime of tourneys ahead that you could help out at and have a say as to what divisions are offered. Do something to ensure your own happiness instead of just whining and complaining after somebody else does something. Maybe you could be the difference in whether a tourney even happens next year or not.



Rhett, you would make a great politician! You should consider running for political office as you have a natural way about you of sounding like a broken record, same ol' same ol' "speal", never anything new. But to address that comment, I tried battling the massive egos back in the 80's and 90's. Got really tired of it. Now, at this age, my ego is not big enough to stand up against the likes of yours. So no thanks. Besides, it's a crock that you say I would get things my way if I was on the BOD. That's quite laughable.


Tita would've made $70 more had she shot the same score in FPO last year. I don't know what the heck you are talking about when you say you donated to younger players. FPM played for 100% of their own entry fees. None of it went to FPO. If the three of you had played FPO it would've paid deeper and Tita and Beth still would've cashed. you would've beaten three youngsters instead of finishing DFL. You are flat out wrong on this. Plus I remember the headaches of last year's final well. You were (seemingly) happily signed up for FPO for a while...until JK entered the tourney. Then all of a sudden it was a huge frickin' deal that FPM wasn't offered. Whatever.



What records are you looking at? Send me a link as I think you are mixing up the tournament stats.



Michelle, I truly encourage you to put on your own tournament and make all your own decisions about divisions, location, payout, entry fees, etc etc. I will be fine if you decide to not offer the division I usually play in. If it looks to be a fun time, I will play whatever division I can. If not, I won't play. I certainly won't lambast you and whine and cry about how unfair you are being because you are doing all the work and I am doing nothing yet you aren't doing what I want. You put it on, you make the choices.



But I would NEVER make YOU play in the Pro Division as I'm sure you wouldn't show up... we ALL know that! (There's that same ol' tired speech again!)


I think my reasons for limiting the divisions are quite reasonable. You are free to disagree with that and vote with your dollars by not playing.



And what are those reasons, exactly? That you only have to provide one trophy instead of two? (I dare you to answer this question without talking in circles!)

easy rhett...i WANT her to enter so i can finally get to meet her when i know who she is :D
maybe she won't hide from me like she did in san diego :eek:



I never hid from anyone. I hung out mostly with Terri, Kathy and Megan. There were only 8 or so of us gals there but over 100 guys. I wasn't going to walk up to every guy and ask his name. It'd be a lot easier if you approached me as there will be very few women there and many more men. Where were YOU hiding?? :D

I think I am going to go start an "I Hate Rhett" thread somewhere so we can quit dragging down the SoCal Championships thread...



OKAY! You start it and I'll be happy to participate! But for the record, I don't hate YOU, I hate your decision to make Arnie Palmer and Jack Nicklaus have to compete in the same division as Tiger Woods and Sergio Garcia!!!! Tell me how fair that is!!

:)

Attention non-members of SoCal: you can send in your entry form with payment now and you will be placed on the "wait list". On Sunday, August 22nd, I will be taking the wait-list and adding the players to the registration list. I expect to be able to add all wait-listers, although I can't guarrentee it, because I do not expect all 136 SoCal members to pre-register. I really would like them all to, but I don't expect that will happen.

So send them in if you want ot play. If we do fill up and you don't get in, I'll send you a digital image of your check with a huge "VOID" in shaprpie on it, and another of it half-way through the shredder. :)

SoCal members: mail in your entry with payment so that it arrives at my house by Saturday August 21st. An 8/21 post mark isn't good enough.

i want to be on the BOD for that club :D



Don't forget your bible and your dope!
:D:o/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :eek: :D :p ;) :)

BTW, what division are you making Pat Shea play in?

(Again, a response is requested instead of the same ol' "get on the board to make changes" speech)

i want to be on the BOD for that club :D



Don't forget your bible and your dope!
:D:o/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :eek: :D :p ;) :)



i'll bring the bible and you can bring the dope :D
i havn't smoked in years :D

BTW, what division are you making Pat Shea play in?


I'm not making anyone do anything, Michelle. Look at the entry form and make your own guess as to what division he might play in.

i just printed my pre-reg for non-members of socal :D
will try to get it in soon rhett /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Once again, Rhett refuses to answer the question of WHY he's doing this to the FPM division, ONLY. Funny b/c Pat is one person, yet the FPMs have at least 6 of us!!!

So one can only guess. My guess is so he can say "look how many FPO's came to MY event" therefore, it being all to feed his own ego!

OR, so he only has to buy one trophy and can use the FPM money to do that.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Rhett, but I highly doubt you will.

I thought you all might be interested in the private message I just received from Rhett:

<font color="red"> "I am suggesting you just do something to help disc golf, not just join the board. Help a tourney. Help the scene. Do something instead of just whining. If you don't want to do anything, then just show up and play and quit complaining. Your whole "do nothing, complain about everything" approach is lame.

I'm sure everything was just perfect 15 years ago when you did all your helping. Yeah right.

Oh, and please don't come to the Emerald Isle tourney next year. It's a downer having you around. And if anyone decides to run for the BOD and run SoCal next year, give them a break and shut up."</font>

Guess what, Rhett, I have helped out during the past few years with counting scores on cards in between rounds, keeping score and supporting the AM women, etc. Just because I don't run any tourneys doesn't mean I have done NOTHING.

Hm, hadn't thought about attending the Emerald Isle tourney next year, but now I think I will ~~ just to **** you off.

:cool:

I'll be sendin my Entry in soon! :D

Rhett, Hats off to you and yo family for keepin the SoCal Series alive. Lord knows it's no easy task. I just got done readin that you are steppin down as President. I just wanted to pass my thanks along for a well run "machine". I don't get to golf alot but I enjoy gettin to play in these tournaments all year. As for the new Pres? I think there aren't too many people out there who got love for the sport like you and your family. Hopefully Socal Disc Golf will keep on goin forward!!!
much respect,
jon follingstad
13903

I just got done readin that you are steppin down as President.



<font color="purple"> HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</font>

As usual, a low-class move by Michelle. This time posting a private message. No surprise there. No surprise that she didn't bother reading the SoCal newsletter that was mailed to her, either. That would require some effort.

I shouldn't have typed that.


Thanks for the kind words, Jon. :)

Once again, Rhett refuses to answer the question of WHY he's doing this to the FPM division, ONLY. Funny b/c Pat is one person, yet the FPMs have at least 6 of us!!!


What the hell are you talking about? Open your eyes and look at the entry form, *******.

easy rhett...i WANT her to enter so i can finally get to meet her when i know who she is :D
maybe she won't hide from me like she did in san diego :eek:



I never hid from anyone. I hung out mostly with Terri, Kathy and Megan. There were only 8 or so of us gals there but over 100 guys. I wasn't going to walk up to every guy and ask his name. It'd be a lot easier if you approached me as there will be very few women there and many more men. Where were YOU hiding?? :D




at the scoreboard posting scores...real hard to see :D

by the way...i'm going to run for socal president...
did all the planning an organizing for am worlds in miami while living in tucson....how hard can scheduling events in so cal be? :o:
grin: :D:D:D:D:D

Once again, Rhett refuses to answer the question of WHY he's doing this to the FPM division, ONLY. Funny b/c Pat is one person, yet the FPMs have at least 6 of us!!!


Geez Michelle, are you stupid? Here's a link to your post where you quoted my answer to "why".
The Answer. (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=220401&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&vc=1)
Why are you so hung up on Pat Shea? Why don't you tell me what division you are so sure he will playing. No, wait. Why don't you think about what division you assume he will be playing, and then make the extreme effort to actually look at the entry form and see if that divisions is even being offered before you make even more of a fool of yourself?

Michelle, if you hate SoCal Disc Golf The Organization so much that you want it to go away, you are doing a fine job right now of discouraging anyone that might be interested from running for the BOD and carrying on. Think selfishly, at least. If no one runs for the BOD, then there will be no series. No series means nothing for you to complain about next year.

:eek:JFC

:eek:get behind me satan :eek:

As usual, a low-class move by Michelle. This time posting a private message. No surprise there. No surprise that she didn't bother reading the SoCal newsletter that was mailed to her, either. That would require some effort.

I shouldn't have typed that.



You think you know it all, don't you? FYI - I moved last week and my forwarding address has yet to kick in... so I haven't received it yet. But I always read them when they come out, so there, Mr. Know-It-ALL.

YES, you shouldn't have typed that. I posted it here to the peeps could see the REAL Rhett.

Once again, Rhett refuses to answer the question of WHY he's doing this to the FPM division, ONLY. Funny b/c Pat is one person, yet the FPMs have at least 6 of us!!!


What the hell are you talking about? Open your eyes and look at the entry form, *******.



YES, I SEE you have a division for ONE person; so WHY don't you have a division for at least 4 people, like the PDGA says we can have? That's the question you still are dodging, "dumb [*****]."

Once again, Rhett refuses to answer the question of WHY he's doing this to the FPM division, ONLY. Funny b/c Pat is one person, yet the FPMs have at least 6 of us!!!


Geez Michelle, are you stupid? Here's a link to your post where you quoted my answer to "why".
The Answer. (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=220401&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&vc=1)
Why are you so hung up on Pat Shea? Why don't you tell me what division you are so sure he will playing. No, wait. Why don't you think about what division you assume he will be playing, and then make the extreme effort to actually look at the entry form and see if that divisions is even being offered before you make even more of a fool of yourself?

Michelle, if you hate SoCal Disc Golf The Organization so much that you want it to go away, you are doing a fine job right now of discouraging anyone that might be interested from running for the BOD and carrying on. Think selfishly, at least. If no one runs for the BOD, then there will be no series. No series means nothing for you to complain about next year.



WHY don't you answer the question? I don't care which division Pat is playing in so you can get stop beating that dead horse, would ya? YOU even said FPM is not being offered and I DID read the form. That's what started this whole thing. I don't hate the SCDG organization - I hate being the only division forced to play in a division I don't want to. How about YOU play open and see how you like it???? Same reasons I don't want to. How about you make all the AM women play Open? (Obviously you wouldn't get any for awhile so I can see your reasons there).

Yep, I'm the only one who has ever "complained." ever. Sheesh, a person asks a question and gets called a complainer. I asked you to explain YOUR actions, but instead you talk circles and dodge the question all together. Just like a politician.

YES, I SEE you have a division for ONE person;



No I don't.

...WHY don't you answer the question?...YOU even said FPM is not being offered and I DID read the form...I asked you to explain YOUR actions, but instead you talk circles and dodge the question all together.

I explained them. Not that I have to. How many times do you want me tell you?




posted 08/03/04 03:43 PM by michellewade:
see the flyer states "Only the following divisions will be offered" and I don't see an FPM division.




posted 08/04/04 10:00 AM by Rhett_In_SoCal:
Only the divisions that can meet the Series Champ minimum requirement are being offerend. (Takes 4 tourneys in Am divisions and 5 in pro divisions.)

So no FPM. Sorry.




on 08/04/04 10:46 AM michellewade makes this post (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=220401&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&vc=1) where she directly quotes the answer to her question. She then goes on for five plus pages of postings to demand to hear the answer that she already responded to.

Am I an ******* for being bothered by this? :confused:

Here, I'll make it really simple for you. On 8/4 at 5:29 pm, you wrote:

"I think my reasons for limiting the divisions are quite reasonable."

THAT'S the sentence I'm referring to - the question you keep dodging.

Here, I'll make it really simple for you. On 8/4 at 5:29 pm, you wrote:

"I think my reasons for limiting the divisions are quite reasonable."

THAT'S the sentence I'm referring to - the question you keep dodging.



Yikes, not sure I should wade into this (no pun intended), but aren't Rhett's reasons for limiting stated as:

> Only the divisions that can meet the Series Champ
> minimum requirement are being offerend. (Takes 4
> tourneys in Am divisions and 5 in pro divisions.)

Isn't he saying that FPM doesn't meet this requirement (not enough tourneys in the series offered the division to create a series champ)?

I think I just figured out who [*****]clown is!!

ten yard penalty for mudd slinging on another thread :eek: :D

by the way...i'm going to run for socal president...
did all the planning an organizing for am worlds in miami while living in tucson....how hard can scheduling events in so cal be? :o:
grin: :D:D:D:D:D



as as my first act as acting(in my own mind) president(while rhett is in iowa)
i am calling for rhett to forget socal and have FUN!!! in iowa at worlds...he can't play well if his mind is elsewhere!

for michelle...here is my offer to you and the other ladies you mention wanting to play fpm
enter the tournament in the divison offered...
i am putting up 100 dollars of my own money to the (non-exsistent) fpm divison and i will give michell the money on saturday so she knows it is legit.

to be paid as $50 to first place, $30 to second place and $20 to third place based on your places of finish in the fpo divison(possibility of cashing both ways :))
this way you will for sure find me and finally get to meet me.....
this offer is real and i would just like you to understand that i know in a small way how you feel as there is no masters division at any arizona event (except memorial)
but it still doesn't keep me from playing the game i love/hate.....i actually have competed well in the open going up against the young guns and the older guys with 100 or near 100 ratings...i just have to play smart and i keeep up with them....when i try to "beat them" and not play the course i don't cash

so please don't think that you can't help things change...things changed here in tucson because i was tired of how information was being passed out to the players,researched it and found there was no "official club"
asked for elections and got people to vote to start a club with a constitution, yearly elections, etc...
so it can be done....don't give up

my 2 cents
keith

ps... either way i'll see you in september.....

happy birthday KJ :D

I want to apologize to everyone but Michelle for taking part in the mud-slinging aspects of this "discussion". There was no need for me to let it get to me and post some of the crap I felt. I don't take it back, I just apologize for posting it. I should've just stuck to posting the tourney info and let the personal stuff slide. Just because I think someone is a ******* doesn't mean I need to say it our loud or post it to a public forum.

So sorry to almost all. :(

as long as we are being honest rhett, i never did like you :eek: :D
just kidding rhett,you the man :p
no apology need

\m/ you rock keith \m/ :D:D:D:D:D

I think I just figured out who [*****]clown is!!



Uh, you posted that as a reply to my post... you're not suggesting its me, are you? (I may be an ***clown, but I'm not -the- ***clown)

Keith, you are too kind. But it's not about the money - it's the "GP" of the situation that I'm trying to fix. I'm just tired of power hungry, egotistical tournament directors! Rhett should be thanking US for giving him a forum for which to show us his huge ego. Sad, so sad. But thanks anyway and I look forward to shaking your hand!!

Isn't he saying that FPM doesn't meet this requirement (not enough tourneys in the series offered the division to create a series champ)?



All of the other TD's this year were kind and gracious enough to give us an FPM division, everyone except for Rhett. So, naturally, we were forced to play FPO all year, or not play at all. Probably for the same reasons he doesn't want any pro masters at some of the bigger tournaments.. who knows, all I can do is guess.

I wouldn't accept your apology anyway as I know it wouldn't be sincere. And the feelings are mutual, I too think you're a ******* ;)

Ya know, we used to get along fine - until the day I spoke up and made my thoughts and feelings known... that's the day you started hating me. But no biggie. I know not everyone in the world is gonna love me and that's perfectly okay! My friends and family, kids and animals love me and that's all that matters!!! (Oh yeah, for Jack - and Jesus loves me too! :D)

All of the other TD's this year were kind and gracious enough to give us an FPM division, everyone except for Rhett. So, naturally, we were forced to play FPO all year, or not play at all.



I have TD'd exactly ONE tournament so far this year. The Championships will be number two.

I guess someone else is out to get you, too.

Isn't he saying that FPM doesn't meet this requirement (not enough tourneys in the series offered the division to create a series champ)?



All of the other TD's this year were kind and gracious enough to give us an FPM division, everyone except for Rhett. So, naturally, we were forced to play FPO all year, or not play at all. Probably for the same reasons he doesn't want any pro masters at some of the bigger tournaments.. who knows, all I can do is guess.



You forgot me, we didn't have FPM at SD Open ;) (we would have, if Beth and Tita had not dropped, though. We did, however, offer a one man division to Pat... so there's some inconsistency on my part there. I can explain the thinking behind that decision if you like).

So, if I may illuminate where I think the point of contention is here: Rhett has organized the SoCal Championships for the purpose of competing for and crowing champions for the SoCal Series (I'm putting words in Rhett's mouth there, I could definitely be mistaking his goal for the tourney) and according to that purpose has limited divisions to those which will actually compete for a series crown.

Michelle, otoh, simply wants to play in the tournament within her preferred division (even if her division does not fall in line with the tournament guidelines).

So, if I may illuminate where I think the point of contention is here: Rhett has organized the SoCal Championships for the purpose of competing for and crowing champions for the SoCal Series (I'm putting words in Rhett's mouth there, I could definitely be mistaking his goal for the tourney) and according to that purpose has limited divisions to those which will actually compete for a series crown.



You put the right words in. That is my intention. With half the spots this year (one weekend instead of two), it makes sense to me.

I know not everyone in the world is gonna love me and that's perfectly okay! My friends and family, kids and animals love me and that's all that matters!!! (Oh yeah, for Jack - and Jesus loves me too! :D)



tru dat girlfriend jesus loves you :D :D;)

"...and according to that purpose has limited divisions to those which will actually compete for a series crown."

What are we, chopped liver? Everyone is eligible, except females over 40. I call that age and gender discrimination!!

But he's about to step down (TG!) and it'll be nice to see someone more "fair to all players" come along to run things.

michelle...my offer stands if you have at least 3 fpm's to participate....

but step back for a moment and read what rhett, rick bays and now myself are posting...

there cannot be a SERIES champion in fpm because there hasn't been enough qualifying fpm events during the year to meet the SERIES(not rhett's) requirements

the pdga has changed the requirements of tournaments from aloowing divisions being offered if there were at least 3/4(changed over the years) people REQUESTING the division....
now they allow the td's to offer only the divisions they wish to offer....
the event only being one weekend instead of 2 changes things drastically from a td standpoint(of which i am also 1 of----though i am not as mean as rhett :eek:)

the socal tournaments have pretty much had no problem filling with am players and the pro side was always
a)late to register
b)showing up the day of
c)not coming at all

believe me if it was still 2 separate weekends, rhett would be BEGGING you to enter as fpm,fgm,fsm,flm anything to get pro's there to fill the field....
but with only 144 total on one weekend...he doesn't have that issue....it will fill regardless if you play fpm or fpo or don't play at all....
he pretty much is excluding outsiders(non-socal members)by having the preregs restricted to socal members
and although it is unlikely,if every member signed up to play ,there would be LOTS of people from norcal and arizona and vegas that come to event every year upset that THEY couldn't play in the socal championships....but rhett's answer(and mine) would be to become a socal member if you don't want to get shut out of playing....
can't fault ANYONE for wanting the club to be bigger and better

we have our club championships in tucson and you MUST be a tucson member to play in it....
it's called marketing!

anyways i've rambled on like nick kight long enough so i'll just end with this...

PIMP ON:
if you want to play in fpm i am running an pdga b-tier event in tucson august 28th and 29th and if you get 3 fpm together i will GUARANTEE YOU a division to play in
PIMP OFF
keith

\m/ you rock keith \m/ :D:D:D:D:D



thanks... whoever you are

happy birthday KJ :D



thanks tfo (jack)
:D

"...and according to that purpose has limited divisions to those which will actually compete for a series crown."

What are we, chopped liver? Everyone is eligible, except females over 40. I call that age and gender discrimination!!

But he's about to step down (TG!) and it'll be nice to see someone more "fair to all players" come along to run things.



I understand your point, and sympathize with the point. I think the non-availability of FPM at the SoCal Series Championships is not really germane to what you bring up, though (the criteria Rhett has set up -is- fair, its just not inclusive).

Perhaps the criteria for a division to compete for a series crown is unfair? I don't know if there is a conspiracy amongst all the TDs to purposely exclude FPM from their events, and thus excluding FPM from a series crown (and thus the SoCal Championship tournament) - but if there is, I'm really ticked that I never got the memo. I hate it when there's a conspiracy and nobody tells me.

In fact, I think there is a conspiracy to keep me in the dark on conspiracies.

I think all us TDs could try to be more sensitive to include FPM divisions though. (Advanced Masters is the one that I have a pet peave with - and I have to be reminded each year that we need to offer it in SD).

Thanks for the explanation, Keith... and the laughs too!

What's weird though about all those rooooooooooooooooooles is that I would think the PDGA, TD's, etc. would encourage women to participate, not DISCourage us! ya know?

I won't be doing any traveling for awhile as I just shelled out about $2,000 to move. And I'm taking a trip to IL next month as well, so it's gonna be till probably December at Team Golf that I take another road trip. I miss that Tucson course though. I used to play the Tumbleweed Open back in the late 80's... fun place!

Thanks for the explanation, Keith... and the laughs too!

What's weird though about all those rooooooooooooooooooles is that I would think the PDGA, TD's, etc. would encourage women to participate, not DISCourage us! ya know?

I won't be doing any traveling for awhile as I just shelled out about $2,000 to move. And I'm taking a trip to IL next month as well, so it's gonna be till probably December at Team Golf that I take another road trip. I miss that Tucson course though. I used to play the Tumbleweed Open back in the late 80's... fun place!




sorry we'll miss you...and if you do notice I ENCOURAGE women players at my events as i have done since i started td'ing in 1996
i have always paid back every lady that entered (last place got at least their money back),had low entry fees(reference the only 20 dolar entry fee to play in tucson) and treated them well...there are several places around the country where ladies are encouraged to play and even have their own leagues(which EXCLUDE the dirty dog men from playing)
i have a seven year old daughter who has been a member since she was born(and a pdga# that is her birthday)been on disc golf courses all around the country and i think that you are letting your disagreement with rhett cloud your views on all the td's the pdga,etc. who are NOT REALLY out to get you or tita or any of the other ladies that are in my age bracket(masters)

i hope you are PLAYING at the socal championships at least as i would hate to have done all this typing and then you didn't show up :D
keith

And I'm taking a trip to IL next month as well,...



There's a little women's only tournament next month in Illinois. It's on the same weekend as the SoCal Championships, and I'm pretty sure they will be offering FPM. I think you would be a lot happier playing that touney.

Incidently, I'm getting really tired of the lies about me discimininating against "only the FPMs". Give it a rest. There will be no MPL, MJ1, MJ3, MJ4, FJx, MS1, or ML1 divisions either. If no MG1s play at Wrightwood, there won't be an MG1 division either.

by the way...i'm going to run for socal president...
did all the planning an organizing for am worlds in miami while living in tucson....how hard can scheduling events in so cal be? :o:
grin: :D:D:D:D:D


You will never win with typos like urs!!!
"planning an organizing??"
or perhaps planning and organizing??
:)

and to keep the thread intact
there is nothing worse than a 2 person division with 2 spots paying in any sport.
As for myself, I have been playing ball golf since i DNFed Evergreen, but i can not see myself missing a La Mirada tournament.

No, not you, Rick!

And I'm taking a trip to IL next month as well,...



There's a little women's only tournament next month in Illinois. It's on the same weekend as the SoCal Championships, and I'm pretty sure they will be offering FPM. I think you would be a lot happier playing that touney.




A little woman's tournament... too funny!
Nah, I'd rather attend the So Cal Champs, just cuz you don't want me there. :D

Wow-
This is a pretty entertaining thread! Guess I should send in my entry feesoon, so I don't miss anything at LaMa :D

Not that anyone asked, but I'll add my $0.02 -

I would certainly agree that anything and everything needs to be done by TD's, the PDGA, and even casual players to encourage women's participation in disc golf. It seems to me that SoCal is not the only region with these kinds of issues.

On the one hand - it does seem unfair to not have a division for a group of four or more who are requesting one, but on the other - this is a "Series Championship" which indicates that trophies/titles should only go to the winners of a division that has been represented throughout the series. If the PDGA has changed the rules that govern division creation to say that it is entirely up to the TD, then, unfortunately, that seems to be the definitive ruling.

It is a whole other issue, though, if there has been a series wide effort to limit a division, so that it would not qualify for the championships.

Is there any data on how many SoCal series tourneys this year have had 4 or more Masters aged women registerd, but didn't offer a division for them? This seems like an important piece of info.

I have a suggestion for Rhett -
If 4 or more masters age women are pre-registered for the tourney, can't you offer them a division without a title? (i.e. no trophies?)

OK - go ahead everybody - time to rip the new SoCal guy a new one

I just thought I'd share my thoughts as former NorCal golfer (we had ladies issues, too :confused:), and the husband of a Lady golfer who has been frustrated in the past by perceived or actual discouragement/discrimination.

P.S - Rhett: I have met you and know that you are a strong advocate of getting Women involved in Disc golf. Please don't think that in any way I am accusing you or the SoCal series of anything. It just seems to me that this is a good opportunity for all involved parties to take a step back and look at the real problems, whatever they may be.

Good luck in Iowa

Michelle -
Hope to meet you soon - always good to know there are positive activists out there :D

Is there any data on how many SoCal series tourneys this year have had 4 or more Masters aged women registerd, but didn't offer a division for them? This seems like an important piece of info.



2/14/04 2/15/04 B Wintertime Open** Pro Oak Grove - yes FPM division
3/06/04 C Emerald Isle Open** Pro Ams Oceanside - no FPM division. Apparently no pro women registered?
4/24/04 4/25/04 C El Dorado Open** Pro Ams Long Beach - no FPM division (is Vicky eligible? if yes, then there were four eligible)
5/01/04 5/02/04 C Evergreen Open** Pro Ams Goleta - no FPM division. Only one (?) eligible player registered.
5/21/04 5/23/04 NT Golden State Classic** Pro *National Tour! La Mirada - no FPM division. I see at least four eligible players in Pro Women. Is NT not offering FPM?
5/29/04 5/30/04 B San Diego Open** Pro Ams* website San Diego - no FPM division (because the TD is a jerk). I see two known eligible players on list (Michelle and Emina). I dont know if Terri or Diana are off the top of my head. Diana, as the Open Women�s winner, may have preferred not to play Masters even if she is eligible (so, not sure SDO would have gotten to four).
7/17/04 7/18/04 C Waller Pines Open** Pro Ams Santa Maria - yes FPM division

Of the seven SoCal events thus far this year, two offered FPM division. Of the remaining five, two clearly did not have enough eligible players to require a division (does not necessarily mean that one should -not- be offered, though). Its unclear whether two others had four eligible players (San Diego and Eldo) and I'm not sure what the story is with the NT event.

Dear Rick and Daveoh,

I thank you guys for your insights and input and you've clearly done your homework! wow! impressive! I wish there were more TD's like you! Usually I don't get any support when I speak out as others are afraid of being put through what I've been put through - things like "join the board to make a difference" and in the next breath "do the board a favor and shut up." But at tournaments, I get plenty of "high fives" and "you go girl" to make me continue to TRY to stand up for what I believe is right and just. But a boycott of one simply does no good, so I'm forced to join 'em rather than fight 'em.

To address some of your items - yes, Vicky and Emina are of age to play FPM. The full run down is Susie, Vicky, Beth, Tita, Emina, and myself. Those are the usual gals competing in the series for the past few years. We had another, Laurie from Vegas, but she has not been around this year. Basically, the FPM women make up the MAJORITY of the female players in So Cali. Every once in awhile, Emina and Kathy would play FPO so the rest of us supported them and went ahead and agreed to play FPO. So we were basically supporting the AM women to go Pro. Those two are the only two who have and they've become much better players! However, had I know this situation would arise, I don't think any of us would have agreed to completely wipe out our division. But I could be wrong.

Anyway, this subject has caused me too much frustration and lost sleep and it's time to put this dead horse to rest. Rhett is not going to change his mind and I'm grateful he's only one, among many, who DO NOT support the women. Our numbers are too small for him. After all, SCDG is a business and they've made it very clear we're not a marketable group, regardless of the fact that 50% of us are former world champions!!!!

It's sad that the right hand (guys like you and gals like me) are trying to get more women involved and KEEP them involved, while the left hand (guys like Rhett and the BOD he hides behind) are trying to do the exact opposite - keep women from participating.

It would make Rhett extremely happy to NOT see me participate which is only one of many reasons I WILL participate, even in the division of the youngsters. :(

But I thank you guys for your support and I'm done being verbally abused by Rhett and having to put up with insulting private messages from him. I'll be happy to see him step down and hope and pray that someone of your guys' calibar will be the next President!

I'll see you both in September and we'll have a good laugh!

Take care!!! and God Bless!!! (and I never say that!) ;)

Take care!!! and God Bless!!! (and I never say that!) ;)



what,what ,what :D

Dear Rick and Daveoh,

I thank you guys for your insights and input and you've clearly done your homework! wow! impressive! I wish there were more TD's like you! Usually I don't get any support when I speak out as others are afraid of being put through what I've been put through - things like "join the board to make a difference" and in the next breath "do the board a favor and shut up." But at tournaments, I get plenty of "high fives" and "you go girl" to make me continue to TRY to stand up for what I believe is right and just. But a boycott of one simply does no good, so I'm forced to join 'em rather than fight 'em.

To address some of your items - yes, Vicky and Emina are of age to play FPM. The full run down is Susie, Vicky, Beth, Tita, Emina, and myself. Those are the usual gals competing in the series for the past few years. We had another, Laurie from Vegas, but she has not been around this year. Basically, the FPM women make up the MAJORITY of the female players in So Cali. Every once in awhile, Emina and Kathy would play FPO so the rest of us supported them and went ahead and agreed to play FPO. So we were basically supporting the AM women to go Pro. Those two are the only two who have and they've become much better players! However, had I know this situation would arise, I don't think any of us would have agreed to completely wipe out our division. But I could be wrong.

Anyway, this subject has caused me too much frustration and lost sleep and it's time to put this dead horse to rest. Rhett is not going to change his mind and I'm grateful he's only one, among many, who DO NOT support the women. Our numbers are too small for him. After all, SCDG is a business and they've made it very clear we're not a marketable group, regardless of the fact that 50% of us are former world champions!!!!

It's sad that the right hand (guys like you and gals like me) are trying to get more women involved and KEEP them involved, while the left hand (guys like Rhett and the BOD he hides behind) are trying to do the exact opposite - keep women from participating.

It would make Rhett extremely happy to NOT see me participate which is only one of many reasons I WILL participate, even in the division of the youngsters. :(

But I thank you guys for your support and I'm done being verbally abused by Rhett and having to put up with insulting private messages from him. I'll be happy to see him step down and hope and pray that someone of your guys' calibar will be the next President!

I'll see you both in September and we'll have a good laugh!

Take care!!! and God Bless!!! (and I never say that!) ;)



Thanks for the kind words, Michelle. Although I do not agree with your conclusions in regard to Rhett, we agree that more women at tourneys is a good thing.

I pray God blesses you, too.

i also disagree with you on some of the rhett bashing aminly because his wfe AND daughter(both women i assume :D) play the sport and i have been to several events he has had a hand in and just like rick bays he seems to want and support women players...
that's all i'll say about thiis as you have your mind made up it seems and rhett has his made up about you it seems also but my offer for the fpm women you mentioned earlier in your post is STILL GOOD...i will be there playing and i'll hope that you will reconsider running for a position on the socal board because groups like that NEED opposing points of view that have VOTING privilages on the bod....
you would be surprised at how many of your ideas might be the same as others
just my 2 cents...keith

your next socal president :D

i also disagree with you on some of the rhett bashing aminly because his wfe AND daughter(both women i assume :D) play the sport and i have been to several events he has had a hand in and just like rick bays he seems to want and support women players...



Correct you are. And that's probably why their divisions (AMS) are safe and sound, you betcha!

Wow. Do actually believe the crap you type, Michelle? Or do you just get off trying to **** people off?

If you really believe all that, then I really feel sorry for you.

hey i tried.. but it is like arguing with myself...it would never end :D

rhett...i told you FORGET socal this week and concentrate on worlds....socal will be there when you get back....
your friend (and replacement) :eek:
keith

I have a two part question. As it now stands, Kathy D. is at 46 points in FPO and I'm at 36 in FPO. If I attend the Wrightwood tournament, 1) will I get 10 points to tie her; and 2) how are ties for the series handled?

I'm probably wrong, but I don't think it's Rhett or any one elses fault if there are not enough people to fill some divison.

Everyone wants to see disc golf get popular enough to see all the divisions offered, but with all repsect that is not the TDs responsibity, it is the players.

Example if you want to play in the purple poka-dotted, by-sexual-menapause division, that's great. But don't expect the TD to drum up players for you. Go out and get your own competition like the rest of us, and then be glad there is a tourney at all for you to play in.

If I pull up at the Dela parking lot and all there are are Open players who take my 5 bucks every day, so what? that's who I play. I don't wait around for people I think I can beat? What's the point in that? Talk about feeding your own ego.

Seems to me that when ever you do get competion in your own division, you ***** about who shows up and ask the TD to follow your group around. Don't deny it cause I was one of them. Imagine, a TD who has to spend the majority of their time keeping an eye on a divison with only 4 players because they can not grow up and behave like adults? Mea while the 100 plus players who stick it out in Open divison don't get the attention they PAID for and desrve. 60 % of them will go home with nothing but memories and lessons, while some of you expect your whole division to be paid just for showing up and what ? Looking cute? Wrong profession .....

It is great that the PDGA is SUBNSIDISING some divisions over and over to help encourage participation in those divisions, and you know who you At some point you have got to stand on your own. If you want to win more money, and get noticed, go out and teach and encourage more of your own people to play competitive golf. It is your responsibility. I'm sure you wan to be self suficient.

No where is it written that every one should have their own division where they are gauranteed to win as much as they paid. The sport can not be sustained that way.

The sport is still in it's infancy. Now is the time to make sacrafices for the future, so that the game will grow and there will be many tournamnets and divisons. Now is not the time to continually demand more back than you give.

Sooner or latter you have to come to the relaization that there are more takers than givers in disc golf and in the world. If you think a little more about it you must conclude that in order for it to work now, the people who give, have to give at least10 times than they take to make the balance.

So next time you want to complain about the Payout, or your division not being represented, go out and do some thing to better the situation for your self instead of attacking the people who are trying to help you to begin with.

If you're not sure how to do that, I'll give you some idea's.

Become a TD. Give up playing a tournamnet, in order to run one so your freinds can play. (The pay sucks, but it's still very rewarding)

Volunteer to help a TD.

Go out to your local course and teach and or encourge people to play. While your at it, stop ******** about the PDGA. Why would people come join your division in your tournamnet if your always bad mothing it? Encourage people to join and support the PDGA, Emphasize the good things. The magazine, this board, ratings, archives, how it keeps us all togethor and makes us family. (even when we disagree)

*Donate money to your local event or course. If you like, designate your donation toward some particular division like womens or masters.

There is a lot more you can do that sandbag and complain. You can become part of the solution.

I'm probably wrong, but I don't think it's Rhett or any one elses fault if there are not enough people to fill some divison.



John, that's just MY point. We have the MOST people in a division not being offered as we've been forced to play in FPO all year.



Don't deny it cause I was one of them. Imagine, a TD who has to spend the majority of their time keeping an eye on a divison with only 4 players because they can not grow up and behave like adults?



I agree and it's a shame that De La has a female golfer there who not only cheats, but has stolen from a major fund raising tournament, and harasses other players. And gets away with it all, each and every time. She's never paid back the club and still to this day continues to cheat and no one does a thing. Yes, sad and a waste of time, I agree with you there, John.

I have a two part question. As it now stands, Kathy D. is at 46 points in FPO and I'm at 36 in FPO. If I attend the Wrightwood tournament, 1) will I get 10 points to tie her; and 2) how are ties for the series handled?



It would be really sa-weeet to get an answer for this question. Part one is merely a "yes" or "no" and part 2 shouldn't take ya but oh, a minute??

I'm asking again b/c I sent it to Rhett in a PM but still, no response.

Thanks.

Michelle, I'm pretty sure the policy used to be 5 pts. per day, but from reading what's on the SoCal site*, it looks like one gets 10 pts just for signing up...even for a "fling" [one-day event].

Of course, your question #1 is not really a yes/no question, since Kathy might enter the event, and mess-up the tidy math!

Interestingly, none of the FPO's have yet to play a fifth tourney...in fact, only Kathy has played 4 tourneys FPO, so far, and will be the only one with the possibility of 'throwing out' a low score, and 'replacing' it with a larger # [which could be garnered @ the Champs, there being a larger field, 'n all]...but ONLY if she plays Wrightwood!

So for most of the gals, everything is cumulative. Therefore, we know if Carrie, Tita, and Emina play both Wrightwood and the Champs, and you play neither, ALL will pass you in the standings, no matter how they perform. Beth also can pass you in the above manner, providing she betters a couple/three other golfers along the way.

About ties, I can't find anything :(

*[go to the SoCalDiscGolf.org address; click on '2004 SoCal Points' to confirm what I'm saying]

Ah Slo, you are too kind. I guess I should have prefaced that post. So I'll do that now.

I was asking it based on the assumption that I would be the only FPO at Wrightwood. Factoring in all the other people would naturally mess up the math and therefore I didn't go there.

I should also preface by stating that only a response from Rhett will do as he's the TD and therefore... well, you know. But I do appreciate your input!

Ties - I have yet to find out anything either which is why I'm asking before I spend my time, money and energy going up there, even though I'm already signed up. I'm sure there's something very creative going on there as well and I just want to see what exactly happens with ties, in our division, assuming I'm tied with Kathy.

I hope that clears things up a bit.

don't laugh rhett ijust sent out my pre-reg. today,you can call it my socal cameo :D

No prob Michelle...I actually have an aptitude for simple math/arithmetic...I relish adding the scores for our Montlies, etc.

The # for the Wrightwood TD is on page 48 of the Summer DGWN, but I think your question is about ties in the SoCal FPO SERIES race, eh? I think Rhett has to answer that...I didn't see anything addressing ties on the site.

I think your question is about ties in the SoCal FPO SERIES race, eh? I think Rhett has to answer that...I didn't see anything addressing ties on the site.



Correct you are - for the entire series. And yes, I'm still waiting for him to respond.

Thanks and have good ones! ;)

I think your question is about ties in the SoCal FPO SERIES race, eh? I think Rhett has to answer that...I didn't see anything addressing ties on the site.



Correct you are - for the entire series. And yes, I'm still waiting for him to respond.



You may consider other avenues of communication (I don't see him active in this thread, nor as he responded to PMs). You may be hollering in the darkness, so to speak.

If a tie exists for Series Champion after the final event of the SoCal Disc Golf Series, the tie shall be broken by a vote of the SoCal BOD.

We've only had to do that once before.

there goes michelle's chances at the title :eek:
:D :D :D

aloha!
lots of good points, lots of bad ones
here's my comments:

Michelle- I appreciate a woman's voice, and am empathetic to your frustrations (I'm a minority in Hawaii) but with all due respect, I've never met you, and i'm already scared! Your personal diatribes are weakening your case. I wish some of your "gals" would post some insight on your professed
(albeit serious) discrimination charges. I can't believe your division wasn't aware of the guidelines for the SoCal championships.
I've read the flyer, it doesn't say Michelle Wade cannot play in the tournament, does it? I've run several tournaments and know that Rhett has many items on his plate, not all of which taste good, including your complaints. Show him some decency, if you can't afford respect.

He gave you an answer you don't like, deal and move on with your life.He's not the only TD on the planet. You wanting to show up just to **** him off does nothing for your plight.

Unfortunately, it sounds like money is an issue for you attending tournaments, and surprisingly, it sounds like you are expecting to cash at these events. If so, you're at the wrong venue! We are the PDGA, not the PGA.... yet (if i'm wrong, I apologize for my misunderstanding) Ask yourself, "why do I go to tournaments?" Hopefully FUN is the first answer.

Rhett - remain diplomatic & calm and throw a ***** great tournament!! Don't PM anybody telling them to shut up, they will probably cut and paste it for the world to see. Keep encouraging the women in your family to keep throwing discs.
Oh, say aloha to Mike Williams at the LM clubhouse for me.

KJ - good luck with all that presidential stuff

peace from the islands,
brock

...so...are we going to see you at the event, Brock?

Getting back to the Championship, I've been more-or-less following the Series Final since 1999...I think of it as one of the bookends to the SoCal DG season, the continentally-world famous Wintertime Open being the other. The winners that year were Ken Climo, and Juliana Bower....someone named "Brigitia Lagerholm" [sic] was in the field, too. :o

...I touched on the FPO race above; in MPO, Pat Sweeney and Dan Duron [who both call El Dorado their home course, interestingly] are at 161, and 156 series points, respectively. Since they've already played in more than 5 tourneys already, Pat's looking to drop an '18'; Dan wants to lose a '22'. Unless they both tank, which I think is highly unlikely, that 4 points, while completely unofficial, could figure in the scoring. :confused: :confused: :confused:

WHY? Well, although he trails by but a scant 5 points now, Dan's going to have to out-perform Pat by 9 points just to pull-into a tie for the title.

Say Dan finishes the meet with 30 points, and Pat gets 24, a difference of 6 points. Since it's a 5-point race NOW, doesn't Dan get the nod? No, he's trading a 22 for a 30, that's a difference of +8 points...Pat drops the 18, picks up a 24...+6 in Series points. This example leaves Dan still 3 points out of first.

Of course, points from Wrightwood could change everything... :D

there goes michelle's chances at the title :eek:
:D :D :D



Boy, aint that the truth!

I must thank those of you who gave me support via my e-mail hooked up to the link on my signature. I hadn't checked that e-mail address for a few weeks and when I did, boy was I surprised at all the support! It proves two things to me: 1) Others are on my side as well, they're just too afraid of being bashed in public so they sent them in private. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THAT!! And I don't blame you one bit for not wanting to put yourself in the position of being bashed. I should have created an anonymous name!

And secondly, standing up for what I believe in can never be wrong, even if others disagree. :)

So I'll now congratulate Kathy Downing for the series Championship for 2004, since there's no way on God's green earth that the "BOD" will vote for me to win. Good job Kathy - now maybe you can pay me for that 1/2 of the room we shared in Santa Maria that you still owe me. :D

WOW ! Michelle this thread started on 7/23/04, you were the fourth post and started with the negative comments right there. "Are we FORCED to play FPO". A month and a half later you still pour out the negative spirit and suck the energy out of everyone. I've been involved with disc golf now for 3 years and whenever I see read a post of yours it's negative.
Just an observation.
You an rip me a new one now...

And secondly, standing up for what I believe in can never be wrong, even if others disagree. :)



Uhh... you should reconsider that one.

Go Sweeney!!! Come on Patrick...take that title!!!

And secondly, standing up for what I believe in can never be wrong, even if others disagree. :)



Uhh... you should reconsider that one.



Funny, but nope. I'm no one's doormat. Besides, I have plenty of friends and love in my life... I'm not looking for any more. :D

So I'll now congratulate Kathy Downing for the series Championship for 2004, since there's no way on God's green earth that the "BOD" will vote for me to win. Good job Kathy - now maybe you can pay me for that 1/2 of the room we shared in Santa Maria that you still owe me.



Well Michelle, it seems you're saying here the BOD can't be trusted to make an impartial decision...if that's truly your opinion, then you're welcome to it, but I just can't swallow that...

...anyways, a FPO series tie is possible, but the odds don't favor it...in fact, to win outright, all you have to do is: 1). Get 10 points @ Wrightwood, and: 2). Out-perform your opponent[s] in the Final. Assuming Kathy doesn't make it up to the mountain, natch.

...in the MPG race, Eldo's Billy Henley and Glenn Triemstra are currently knotted @ 60-all. However, Glenn has needed only 4 tourneys for his '60'; it's taken Billy 5 events, and although he has an "11" to 'toss', Glenn, if he plays, is going ADD to his total...up to 70 points, before a single hole is scored. Billy has to perform ABOVE that low score of '11' by 10 points, just to keep up...which is iffy; there'd have to be a significant MPG field to score that highly. In other words, just to get to 70 series points, Billy has to get 21 Final points [60, minus 11, plus 21]. Not to mention, Glenn isn't likely to finish last! If he scores 15, Billy has to get 26, etc.
Heavy edge to Glenn in this race.

And secondly, standing up for what I believe in can never be wrong, even if others disagree. :)



Uhh... you should reconsider that one.



Funny, but nope. I'm no one's doormat. Besides, I have plenty of friends and love in my life... I'm not looking for any more. :D



I'm not suggesting you become anyone's doormat, nor am I saying you should seek the approval of any other persons... and I would never question the love of your family and friends.

I'm am only saying that you should reconsider the outlook of "standing up for what I believe can never be wrong."

What if a person believed murder, or a similar heinous act (I can think of worse examples) was good? It wouldn't be wrong for them to stand up for that belief?

I know you don't advocate such actions, and I'm not saying that the principle you are standing up for in this thread is wrong (although I'm not really sure what that principle is), I'm just saying it -can- be wrong to stand up for what you believe, depending upon what the belief is.

Uh, that's enough thread drift out of me.

Well Michelle, it seems you're saying here the BOD can't be trusted to make an impartial decision...if that's truly your opinion, then you're welcome to it, but I just can't swallow that...



Sweetheart, the entire BOD IS Rhett! If there were others, I wouldn't agree with Keith, who brought it up, by the way, not me. I just agreed with him. But yeah, I'd have a better chance at a toss of a coin when it comes to this popularity contest. I've seen ties broken by a play off but Kathy and I were involved in a play off at Eldo and Rhett witnessed it. He can't take that kind of chance. Nor with a coin. So be it. She wins. So, again, I'm agreeing with Keith who originally laughed at the idea of it being up to the BOD (aka Rhett).

Rick, we're talking about a disc golf game here - not murder! of course I don't think murder is right!!! OMG!!

I stand by my original statement of standing up for ones beliefs can never be wrong!! But to clarify, for you, I'm speaking of standing up for both the FPMs and my beliefs as well. My behind-the-scenes cheerleaders are with me and they shall remain safe and anonymous.... while I stand up and take the brunt of all the verbal abuse. It sux but that's life, now ain't it? :p

good grief... murder... c'mon!

If a tie exists for Series Champion after the final event of the SoCal Disc Golf Series, the tie shall be broken by a vote of the SoCal BOD.



Oops. My bad. :o

Last time there was a tie for Series Champ was 2002 between Marcus and Robbie. It was settled by sudden-death playoff.

If any ties for Series Champ exist after the final, they will be settled by sudden-death playoff starting on Hole 1 of the Lakeside Course, continuing as long as necessary through hole 18 and then over to the Backside Course Hole 1 through 18. Repeat as necessary.

If any ties for Series Champ exist after the final, they will be settled by sudden-death playoff starting on Hole 1 of the Lakeside Course, continuing as long as necessary through hole 18 and then over to the Backside Course Hole 1 through 18. Repeat as necessary.



now she REALLY has no chance...kathy will crush her like a bug and take michelle's second place money and run!!... :eek:


she's better off in your loving, kind, impartial hands rhett :D

Rick, we're talking about a disc golf game here - not murder! of course I don't think murder is right!!! OMG!!

I stand by my original statement of standing up for ones beliefs can never be wrong!! But to clarify, for you, I'm speaking of standing up for both the FPMs and my beliefs as well. My behind-the-scenes cheerleaders are with me and they shall remain safe and anonymous.... while I stand up and take the brunt of all the verbal abuse. It sux but that's life, now ain't it? :p

good grief... murder... c'mon!




Yeah, it was a bit of an extreme example to illustrate the point.

If any ties for Series Champ exist after the final, they will be settled by sudden-death playoff starting on Hole 1 of the Lakeside Course, continuing as long as necessary through hole 18 and then over to the Backside Course Hole 1 through 18. Repeat as necessary.



Well, there you have it in zeros-and-ones, Michelle...no excuse not to play now! :D

Who's going to be on the BOD, next year?!?

Back to the races...
in MPM we've got a real, er, interesting one: [former] putting WC Marcus Cisneros is leading [former] Open WC Steve "Cup" Wisecup by only 26 points [121-96], despite the fact Cup has played but two tourneys in this division!

Here's the caveat: Steve garnered those points in events with huge Masters' fields: Wintertime [Pros only; 27 holes], and Golden State [Pros only; room for 4-5 "ghost" cards]...the combined Pro/Am field @ SoCalChamps may preclude the possibility of lots of points being available for MPM's to grab. Marcus is going to be hard to stop, here.

That brings up another tough question. A few years ago we went to the following:

Somebody must have the minimum number of tourneys in a division in order for a Series Champ to be crowned. For ams it is 4 tourneys, for pros it is 5. This was because we had a lot of people with one tourney in three different divisions, and it didn't seem right to be a "Series Champ" without really playing the series in a particilar division.

So here is the tough question: does a person need to have the minimum number of tourneys to qualifiy for Series Champ, or does simply having someone in the division with enough tourneys to make the division "Series Champ"-able make everyone in that division eligible?

It's a tough question, and I worded it very awkwardly. :) But MPM this year is the perfect example. Marcus has the tourneys played. Cup will only have 3, a far cry from 5. But if Cup wins LaMa and Marcus tanks (not likely at LaMa) then Cup could have more Series Points.

I can see merit to either way. Unfortunately this scenario has not been "decided in advance".

What do you all think?

i think you're all discounting the fact that I'LL BE THERE

meaning that cup and marcus cannot win...they could fighting for second maybe..but winning is definately out

:D

imo - anyone playing the minimum # of tournaments would "validate" the division. if somebody else is able to outscore with less tournamanents played - he/she deserves to be champion!

I can see the logic in having a minimum, if only to increase participation/interest in the series...however, lacking such, I'd have to say make it inclusive...IF a title is available, all whom might qualify, DO qualify. My $.02.

Going on a bit of a tangent, now...
...as it stands, the Series title goes to the more-skilled golfer, while the TOTAL POINTS 'race', which determines who makes the squad for the SoCal/NorCal Team Challenge, MIGHT go to a lesser-skilled [albeit, more-determined] "plugger" who shows up anywhere, and everywhere.

Now I'm wondering, would it make sense to do it in reverse? Award the SoCal series crown to someone who actively/actually SUPPORTS the series with participation, and also performs well; meanwhile sending the more-skilled "shark" to the Challenge?

odd note: In the above scenario, the actual number of events attended could possibly be used as a tiebreak...more=better, that kinda figuring...

I actually do not see a reason why the top 4 tournaments aren't used for both Series Champ and the Norcal/Socal Challenge.
I only played half of the season two years ago in AM2, came in 2nd in the Champ but barely made it into NorCal/SoCal Challenge.
The Series Championship is supposed to go to the best player in that division, correct?? Why not field the best team possible to smack around those Norcal boys and girlz??

:)

Because that's the way it is. :)

Hopefully some interested and forward thinking SoCal members will nominate themselves for the SoCal BOD and consider making changes in areas that make sense. So far we are on pace to have no BOD next year. :eek: I think that means the organization will fold.

Hopefully some interested and forward thinking SoCal members will nominate themselves for the SoCal BOD and consider making changes in areas that make sense. So far we are on pace to have no BOD next year. I think that means the organization will fold.



:confused: YIKES!!! :confused:

I actually do not see a reason why the top 4 tournaments aren't used for both Series Champ and the Norcal/Socal Challenge.
I only played half of the season two years ago in AM2, came in 2nd in the Champ but barely made it into NorCal/SoCal Challenge.
The Series Championship is supposed to go to the best player in that division, correct?? Why not field the best team possible to smack around those Norcal boys and girlz??

:)



Then there's the issue of who can actually make it to the event. We've had top points winners not being able to show up due to conflicting other things in their lives... and some are just flat out not interested ... and then we've had venue issues there as well....

That's my $0.3 worth ~~ and extra penny for good luck :D

I actually do not see a reason why the top 4 tournaments aren't used for both Series Champ and the Norcal/Socal Challenge.
I only played half of the season two years ago in AM2, came in 2nd in the Champ but barely made it into NorCal/SoCal Challenge.
The Series Championship is supposed to go to the best player in that division, correct?? Why not field the best team possible to smack around those Norcal boys and girlz??

:)


The norcal girlz will keep winning with Burl and Anni on the team :p

Hopefully some interested and forward thinking SoCal members will nominate themselves...



Anybody? I have a little trouble thinking about the series finale', right now....

Keith, was that line about running for SoCal Pres a joke, threat, or promise?!? :confused:

I actually do not see a reason why the top 4 tournaments aren't used for both Series Champ and the Norcal/Socal Challenge.
I only played half of the season two years ago in AM2, came in 2nd in the Champ but barely made it into NorCal/SoCal Challenge.
The Series Championship is supposed to go to the best player in that division, correct?? Why not field the best team possible to smack around those Norcal boys and girlz??

:)


Don't worry the only people you will be smacking is yourself.

Keith, was that line about running for SoCal Pres a joke, threat, or promise?!? :confused:



Hey, if you do run for SoCal, does that mean you'll be vacating your position in Tucson?

I have a little trouble thinking about the series finale', right now....



Maybe SoCal BOD discussion should move to the "Other Clubs -> SoCal Disc Golf Association" thread and this thread should be for SoCal Championships discussion.

No, wait. This is the "cry and complain about the finals" thread. The other SoCal Championships thread is for discussion about the actual final. :)

Keith, was that line about running for SoCal Pres a joke, threat, or promise?!? :confused:



Hey, if you do run for SoCal, does that mean you'll be vacating your position in Tucson?



there is no reason i can't be on 2 boards....it happens in the real world all the time....


you just don't want me to be a president also :D

rhett...when is the nomination dealine and what are the particulars(short of actually being a member)to run for the bod...

except for dealing with ruzica :Dit shouldn't be that difficult to do with emails and phone calls

shoot me a pm if you don't want details on the website....


keith johnson (your next socal president)
:D :cool:

The norcal girlz will keep winning with Burl and Anni on the team :p



At least they're not too scared to play outside Santa Cruz, unlike the other nor cal girls. :p

At least NorCal Girls dont complain where the NorCal/SoCal Challange is.

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Maybe SoCal BOD discussion should move to the "Other Clubs -> SoCal Disc Golf Association" thread and this thread should be for SoCal Championships discussion.



Good point...pardon my histrionics...*sniff* ...I'm a bit verklempt right now....*honk*...talk amongst yourselves...

OK, Pro Seniors...as of right now, Tom Pitchford is the only one on the list for Wrightwood. If that stands as is, he'd go into the Final 3 points short of leader Bill Richards, who can "lock" if he plays on the hill. Eldonian Tom Skidmore is mathematically still 'alive', but he's got to play Wrightwood, and beat 3+ competitors in the Champs, just to force a playoff.

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except for dealing with ruzica :Dit shouldn't be that difficult to do with emails and phone calls



keith johnson (your next socal president)
:D :cool:

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Hey if Kieth can be on the Board than so can I :D

WTS rival in SoCal with a little UFOS accent ;)

Sure they do, just not to YOU. :p

Sure they do, just not to YOU. :p



Got that right!!!

It really does not matter where the event is held, SOMEONE will always thionk they are getting the "short end of the stick"

This year it will not matter...NorCal will not have a problem getting our players to travel to LaMa.
The interesting thing will be to see if SoCal can even round up a Full Field :eek::D

ruzica :D



RuzicKa :DThank You

At least NorCal Girls dont complain where the NorCal/SoCal Challange is.



True - however, this Nor Cal Am girl keeps complaining about the fact that Am women aren't invited... Nor Cal had a willing individual or two last year, but no invite. No one has an answer. Was So Cal afraid? :o What's up?

ruzica :D



RuzicKa :DThank You



sorry mike...i've had like 12 hours of sleep this whole week between working 70 hours and getting ready for a little b-tier in tucson on a ball golf course...
promise to do better next week with more sleep....

see...we are already comunicating :D
if you are on the bod also it will be pretty easy to organize the schedule :D


now back on topic....what else is wrong now michelle???
:eek: :D

Was So Cal afraid? :o What's up?



Maybe you should actually ask your NorCal team captain about the makeup of the roster before you throw out stuff like that. We have plenty of am women playing that would love to be part of the team.

See, this is my point. We play all year to be the best in our divisions for a POSSIBLE invite to the coveted NorCal/SoCal team challange.

It really needs to be more cut-and-dry. Let the captains make 1 or 2 choices max. The top x spots get an automatic invite.

Steve,

The two captains figure out the team makeup by division. Then the top point earners in those divisions get the automatic invites. (At least in SoCal they do.) After those invtees either accept or decline, the captain can offer spots as he sees fit but typically our captain just goes down the points list and hopes that the team is full before he runs out of people to call.

I personally would like to thank our captain, Mike Byrne, because he handles all of the SoCal Team stuff and it really is like TDing a whole tourney to organize it.

I was definitely referring to things "up here". Sorry if it seemed I was generalizing.

When I asked last year, I was told that "...just because you're the top x in points doesn't mean you get an automatic invite. Usually, but not always."

Wow. Ours has always been "always".

what else is wrong now michelle???
:eek: :D



Nuttin ~~ what's wrong with you??? :D

True - however, this Nor Cal Am girl keeps complaining about the fact that Am women aren't invited... Nor Cal had a willing individual or two last year, but no invite. No one has an answer. Was So Cal afraid? :o What's up?



I can only speak on behalf of a player and not a TD - NO, we are NOT afraid. In fact, we used to have some am women players but I have no idea why they were phased out. But it ain't from fear, I guarantee you that much. :p

what else is wrong now michelle???
:eek: :D



Nuttin ~~ what's wrong with you??? :D




just missed you keeping the thread alive...should have come to tucson...only had 1 pro woman...she paid 20 got to play 2 rounds on a ball golf course,on saturday...played 2 rounds on dirt sunday..and made 50 bucks and a sweet trophy!
maybe next year....see you in a few weeks....
but you can't talk to me about disc golf or socal bod when i see you...keith :D

I think that Am Women should be Invited to the norcal/socal team challenge this year. we are not afraid because if you take two Am women i would be one of the and nocal should be afraid. :D

OH SCHMACK! ;)

Dang! :cool:

WOW, two handed crusher is getting SPICY!!!!

She's one-handed now. Where you been all season, Mark? :)

I started playing ball golf around Memorial day or so and have been hooked. I think that I have picked up my frisbees once since then and that was just to play a little object golf with my Spider.
I definitely miss everyone, just have not felt like playing lately. How did everyone do at Mt. High??? I saw that u played AM1.

ball golf ? :confused:
whats that :D

Let's just say that it was poor timing on the choice to step up. :)

She's one-handed now. Where you been all season, Mark? :)



Yea, i put a stop to that last year :eek: :D

I think that Am Women should be Invited to the norcal/socal team challenge this year. we are not afraid because if you take two Am women i would be one of the and nocal should be afraid. :D



I dont know why the Am Women have been excluded recently....

I have never been a part of the selection process...Ill see what I can do :D

RAD!! That's a polite version of "bring it on!"

...with all this "Bucket" talk, how about a re-cap of the format?!? E.G., how many on a team, which divisions, # of rounds.

...eagerly awaiting the Wrightwood results; some races may now be 'locked'.

Oh yeah, thanks, SoCal #19 ! :)

thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know no one is afraid - especially Megan - I was trying to get something started and changed. It is ridiculous that the Am Women are not included.

It is discrimanatory, in fact.

I have tried several times to contact the captain, but with no success. He responded one of my questions, but not the one about Am Women.

Steve - I feel as you do, that a policy needs to be set and used.

Rhett - are you saying your captain has invited Am Women, but they declined? That would be interesting to know.

Mike - I know you're not the captain, but you and the captain are nor cal committee guys. Perhaps we can get an answer.

Rhett - are you saying your captain has invited Am Women, but they declined? That would be interesting to know.



Nope, I'm not saying that. Our captain, Mike Byrne, handles all the Challenge Cup stuff. And for that I am very greatful. :) He and, I believe, Mike Travers decide on team makeup. As in how many from each division. A couple of years ago they went from 6 Intermediates to 4 Intermediates. I don't know why, but since I wasn't willing to take over all the chores invloved in making the Challenge happen I didn't complain too much.

I don't recall any Am Women spots ever since 1999, when I joined SoCal. Must of been before that.

One year they went to a double course in Stockton, so the size of the teams doubles so the captains decided on the makeup of the teams. The year after that they dropped the 2 Intermediate spots. So it can change a little each year. WHo knows, maybe there weren't any am women playing the year they dropped them and they juts haven't added them back.

I would suggest approaching the captains with a mild "Hey, we have a lot of am women playing the Series' these days. Have you thought about adding some spots to the Challenge team for them?" As opposed to coming hard with the "You are discriminating against the women" stuff. I've just been through that. It totally weakens your case and your credibility to start with that line.

Thanks for the info you have provided. I hear you on the approach thing.. . There is a lot to be said for tact, though that isn't where I have been coming from. Why? has been the big question, so we'll see.

Any idea when the dual 18 layout will be set up??
I am going to see if I can still play this game this weekend after a 3 month hiatus.

Don't do It Mark! I tried takin time off then playin the Wrightwood tournament (Ouch!!) :DSee ya there

I appreciate the words Jon, but i like playing La Mirada waay too much. Plus, I would like to take a whack at qualifying for the Norcal/Socal challenge. I also might be able to top my buddy Chuck in points in AM1 and I know that will **** him off something fierce. :)
I will see u there Jon, perhaps u too Rhett?? U going to stay in AM1??

...perhaps u too Rhett?? U going to stay in AM1??



I'll be there. But I'm running the show so I don't get to play.

BTW, this is the "Talk about anything *EXCEPT* the SoCal Championships" thread. There's another SoCal Champs thread that actually talks about the tourney. :D

dear hawk

will i do good at the socal tourny ? :D

I'm sure you do good wherever you go. But you might also shoot well at La Mirada. :)

but you can't talk to me about disc golf or socal bod when i see you...keith :D



LOL.. you are funny! Believe me, the BOD is the very last thing on my list of topics to discuss!!

I played at Wrightwood this last w/e. Shot the best round of the ladies on Saturday and then waited around for approximately 4 hours till we started our 2nd round. Finished last 2 holes in the dark, actually. (THANKS TED for the spotlight and the taxi rides down the hill!!! And THANKS to Freaky for the chair and the candy!!) Came down with a low grade fever but played 19 out of the 27 on Sunday, so I walked away from a pretty much lock on 2nd place cash. Suzette had caught me but I had a very nice lead over Kathy. On Sunday, I was too pooped to play and didn't realize I had a fever till I got home. So Kathy is the FPO So Cal Champ and I am the FPM Champ, although she'll be the only one with a trophy and cash.

Thanks to the Tom, Chris and their Wrightwood boys for putting on a fun tournament. How about fewer holes next year so we can play in the light, and finish???? :cool:

Suzette finished 1st, Kathy 2nd and I dnf'd.

...so I walked away from a pretty much lock on 2nd place cash....snip....On Sunday, I was too pooped to play and didn't realize I had a fever till I got home. So Kathy is the FPO So Cal Champ...


I don't know why I am bothering to point this out, but for some reason you still get your ten "participation points" even if you DNF from a SoCal tourney.

Here's hoping we can make an exception? :cool:

Michelle, don't go awarding that tiara to quickly...I figure roughly that Kathy now has 57 points to your 46...but wake up and smell the math...:D...you can get to 56 points just for stepping on Tierra de la Mirada...Kathy has to finish the tourney AHEAD of another FPO just to get to 58 points, etc. Beat Kathy by a single place, regardless of where you both finish, and you can do no worse than tie...beat her if she places, and you move ahead in series points...how's that for a carrot? :p

...and why is a carrot more orange than an orange? :confused:

RHETT
its been so lone scene i've played in a tourny you might have to PM me the week before just so i don't forget to show up :eek:

its been so lone scene i've played in a tourny you might have to PM me the week before just so i don't forget to show up



Excuses Excuses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man up set an alarm clock and go play some golf :D

What up Steve ? Hey good luck at Am Nationals Homie !! ~peace~ :D

its been so lone scene i've played in a tourny you might have to PM me the week before just so i don't forget to show up



Excuses Excuses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man up set an alarm clock and go play some golf :D



GET HOOKED ON MOKEY PHONICS BRO :D

I don't know why I am bothering to point this out, but for some reason you still get your ten "participation points" even if you DNF from a SoCal tourney.



Well, thanks for bothering, Rhett, as I did not know that...KEWL! :D I'm kind of at the point of not really caring anymore. But it's nice to know there's a little light out there... that isn't a train coming!

But I still had a great time and it's really nice to be treated really well by the TD, players, heck, even the spectators were supportive of us all!! Everyone was so great to us it was just fantastic. Suzette was a kick to play with and I think we all had fun. I forgot to thank one of the juniors, I think it was Christian? who loaned me his chair as mine broke. Really sweet of the little guy!

:D

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Well, thanks for bothering, Rhett, as I did not know that...KEWL! :D I'm kind of at the point of not really caring anymore. But it's nice to know there's a little light out there... that isn't a train coming!


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don't jump michelle :eek: :D:p

Jack's playing in a tourney?!?
Ya hear that, 'Lizbeth? [clutches heart] I'm, COMIN' to join ya, honey! :D:D

Jack's playing in a tourney?!?
Ya hear that, 'Lizbeth? [clutches heart] I'm, COMIN' to join ya, honey! :D:D



LMBO S/O
just look for the guy underneath all the cobwebs :eek: :D

Wrightwood points now noted...Michelle, do those #'s look familiar?!? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Thanks, whomever does that stuff!!
Penultimate Point Tally-Pros (http://www.socaldiscgolf.org/sub-pages/Tourney2004/SoCal_Points_2004_Pro.html) and AMs (http://www.socaldiscgolf.org/sub-pages/Tourney2004/SoCal_Points_2004_Ams.html)

trivial stuff: Dan begrudges it will be tough in MPO , yet insists Lama's 2 x 18 will get his best effort! However he'd have to nab a minimum of 30 points, matching his second-highest total of the season*. The Finals field might not be as big as at Oak Grove.
* odd trivia: Both Dan and Pat both scored 30 points @Wintertime, also Pat's second-highest number.
More trivia: SoCal cap'n Mike Byrne played in but two SoCal Series events, and yet bested both Pat and Dan twice. :o

...so, do the math, and report back later; there will be a short quiz. :p

Wrightwood points now noted...Thanks, whomever does that stuff!!


You're welcome. The points and the web page are the fun stuff.

Wrightwood points now noted...Michelle, do those #'s look familiar?!?



Actually, it's wrong. They have me DNFing after the first round. I completed the entire 2nd round and carded a 74 or 76?? something like that. I then proceeded to play 19 out of the 27 holes left and that was during the 3rd round. We completed the 2nd round on Sunday, signed the cards, totaled them up, etc. so I'm not sure why that 2nd round isn't recorded. But whatever. It really does not matter at all. :D

The results I received showed Michelle Wade DNFing in the first round. Since I specifically recall the fact that she freaking tied me with a 62 the first round, I added it in there and moved the DNF to round 2.

So much for me being out to get Michelle, eh?

The results I received showed Michelle Wade DNFing in the first round. Since I specifically recall the fact that she freaking tied me with a 62 the first round, I added it in there and moved the DNF to round 2.

So much for me being out to get Michelle, eh?



Tied ya? way cool! We started out on hole 17 that's 406' long and I birdied the darn thing. Took me by surprise, that's for sure! (Okay, I'll mention it was down hill.. hahaha) But hey, there's not many times when an old gal like me can say "I birdied a 406' long hole on the first drive!"

Well, technically, since they changed the format on Sunday from 3 rounds of 18 to 2 rounds of 27, that's probably why they counted it that way. But reality is, I played all but the last 8 holes as they were UP hill. Clarification is all but it's no biggie. That first round sure was fun though... then we had a 4 hour wait that killed me. Oh well, that's life in the big city, er, rather altitude and heat! :D

you two have made this thread very humerous :D

you two have made this thread very humerous :D

Always fun to watch :D:D ;) :p /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

89 people registered for the SoCal Championships with 18 days to go.

We're only taking 144, so mail those entry forms today!

you two have made this thread very humerous :D

Always fun to watch :D:D ;) :p /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif



Kinda like Tom Lykes :cool:� sometimes controversial :eek:, sometimes maddening :mad:, sometimes funny :D, but always entertaining ;)!

But hey, if you don't stand up for what you believe in, you'll fall for anything! :D:o:) :cool:

Here's my highly unofficial take on the Pro races:

FPM: Not offered*

FPO: The tightest race. 8 gals already entered in a division which saw 11 competitors this season. If all 11 compete, and 5 place, that's 24 points to the FPO winner [10 for entering +10 golfers "defeated" +4 placers beaten].

In the above scenario: A win by Tita [currently 5th] would move her to within one of an idle Kathryn. A win by Carrie Berlogar would out-total an idle Kathryn by three, but K would only need to beat 3 in the division to forge a tie [she is the only golfer with the 'luxury' of tossing-out a score, in this instance a '10']. A win by Kimbra would force K to finish ahead of 7 competitors...that's not a given. A win by Michelle, and she's series Champ, unless there is only one placer...highly unlikely. A win by K, and she's Champ, no ifs-ands-or-buts.

Take: Both Kathryn and Michelle "control their destiny"; it's also highly likely to come down to which one beats the other.

MPG: Billy Henley and Glenn Triemstra are currently knotted at 60, but Glenn has the HUGE advantage of adding to his total, rather than 'replacing' a lower one. Should G show, he moves to 70 instantly, forcing Billy to score 21 points just to keep even; his highest this season is 15. If Tom Clickner shows up, he would go to 59 instantly; he also figures to finish high in the field, and get more points. If all three come to the Champs, it strongly figures to be Glenn, Tom, then Billy.
Guys, double-check your scores; I've seen this series decided by a scoring error...sad, but true!!!

MPM: Marcus Cisneros leads Steve 'Cup' Wisecup by 34; Marcus is looking to improve on a 17, while Cup can only add to his total; but he's going to need a bigger field than the 13 [at present] to total that. A nigh-lock to the 2003 World putting Champ.

MPO: Only 8 so far entered; what's up with that?!?
Pat Sweeney is looking to replace a 22; in second, Dan Duron is trying to 'up' a 25. Pat leads by 5 series, and 15 total points. These two Eldonians went head-to-head the first 5 series events; Pat's 57 to Dan's 49 @ Golden State has made all the difference. Will there be a lot of last-minute entries?!? Let's hope so, if only to make it closer. Big advantage to Pat, and the smaller the field stays, the bigger the advantage.

MPS: 4 competitors this year, none with the 'requisite' five, yet, and only two at present anted-up. If Bill Richards shows up, he's a lock; Tom Pitchford can only hope he wins, AND Bill stays home [he's entered], AND there are 2 placers in a field of 3...just to tie, but that would probably be enough to get the nod.

MPL: Not offered. With what, 8 in the whole PDGA Universe, that's not surprising, and likely to stay that way, until several of the MPS' "grow up"!! :D

* I can't help but notice there are 2-3 women of Masters age up for the SoCal BOD [is Beth of Masters age?]...what I DON'T know is: Would their elections lead to more FPM divisions being offered within the series, or would there be fewer, as all the gals will be busy? :confused:
[Hey Michelle, no VP candidate, yet...wouldn't you like to help Suzette, Beth, and Tita sail the ship?!? :D

...anybody care to 'do' the AMs races? Well, I'll give you a day-or-so.

"MPO: Only 8 so far entered; what's up with that?!?"

same as last year....even with charging 20 bucks late fee over 20 pros signed up saturday morning....
that's what drives td's crazy...but the big boys don't seem to care....they know they'll get in until someone steps up and says no pro entries past "x" date...
but i don't see that happening

[neck extended prone on cutting-board sound here] er, is that a problem because it's last-minute, and harried, or because it keeps the TD in the dark on things like # of trophies to order? See, I've got the notion it's a last-minute AMs-registry which would create the hair-pulling; "extra" cash from Pro entries can easily be distributed, but too few, or too many prizes for the junior circuit, and one's really inconvenienced.

on the contrary....it seems like socal and san diego events have to CREATE waiting lists of ams who want to play the event and who register early and most times they either don't get to play or have to wait until the last minute to see if they are playing....whereas "mr. pro" just shows up saturday and EXPECTS to get in because he is "mr. pro"

i say whoever signs up AND PAYS!! first gets in until you reach the max number of people stated on the flyer.....
if it means you are full with 143 ams and 1 pro player then so be it...you'll know how many trophies/prizes/players packs you'll need because people (GASPING HERE!!) pre-registered and paid you money....before the event started...

oh the horrors of having cards ready,hole assignments done,ratings checked,current pdga status checked,and just sitting back waiting for people to check-in(that are already registered)....the pain would just be too much to bear!

so glad i won't be td'ing another event until i'm the socal president....when i am then everyone could see how to put a foot down and make it right for people that sign up early or on time!

i guarantee it would only take 1 or 2 events missed by the "mr. pro players" before they would either
A)have you killed
B)have you killed "accidentally"
C)whine about the fact they missed 2 events before they kill you...or
D) sign up on time like the adults they are supposed to be


the nt's work this way...they hold them spots until "X" day and then anybody with cash is in...if they don't sign up they don't get in...what a stupid concept :o

just my opinion....
keith

so glad i won't be td'ing another event until i'm the socal president....when i am then everyone could see how to put a foot down and make it right for people that sign up early or on time!

i guarantee it would only take 1 or 2 events missed by the "mr. pro players" before they would either
A)have you killed
B)have you killed "accidentally"
C)whine about the fact they missed 2 events before they kill you...or
D) sign up on time like the adults they are supposed to be

so Keith, are you saying you have a death wish? :eek:
Or that monkeys will fly before you're SoCal Prez? :o :D

i don't know about that keith most of the tournys i followed this year was filled up by the am div.

No Saturday signups for this tourney. (Read your entry form.)

Hard cap of 144 players. (Read your entry form.) 4-somes are so much to play in than 5-somes, when the course is full.

There are no "held for division" spots at this tourney. First entered, first served. We are at about 100 entered so far, with ams leading pros by about 2:1.

I expect to be full before the tourney as I am getting about 5 entries per day with 17 days still to go.

So mail it in today if you want to play! :) (If you haven't already.)

see that's the way it should be....
even though rhett has put it on the form for this one it hasn't been that way for most of the events in socal for the last couple of years....
and for the most part it will always be 2-1 for the tournaments because ams LIKE to play tournaments and they usually know which events they are going to ahead of time making it easy for the td....
too bad you're not staying on rhett..as soon as you got the conjones to run them the right way you step down....hopefully whoever takes over will keep printing the flyers the way this one is printed....
keith


by the way...i already entered the day you made the flyer

so glad i won't be td'ing another event until i'm the socal president....when i am then everyone could see how to put a foot down and make it right for people that sign up early or on time!

i guarantee it would only take 1 or 2 events missed by the "mr. pro players" before they would either
A)have you killed
B)have you killed "accidentally"
C)whine about the fact they missed 2 events before they kill you...or
D) sign up on time like the adults they are supposed to be

so Keith, are you saying you have a death wish? :eek:
Or that monkeys will fly before you're SoCal Prez? :o :D



neither....
i will run when i'm not shut out of the process by semantics

i will run when i'm not shut out of the process by semantics

Well Keith, unless you're registered under an alias, or your 'real' name is "Jeremiah", you aren't a current member...is that the out-shutting 'semantics' you're referring to? :o

yes...
i thought i WAS a member until rhett informed me that i WASN'T a member and can't become one now (i wouldn't know as i have yet to see the constitution,though i have asked to a few times)....so discette or anyone else who gets nominated in time(it seems you have to self-nominate,i wouldn't know as i have yet to see the constitution,though i have asked to a few times) can hopefully keep socal going...i would hate to see it vanish into thin air....having socal becoming a rouge territory of disc golf with tournament battling each other for weekends,dogs and cats sleeping together,real wrath of god type stuff.....
sorry, slipped into my ghostbusters train of thought again :D

anyways...in the meantime i'll just come there and play disc golf and hopefully next year be able to do the same..
keith
look forward to seeing you there

What's a constitution? I joined in 1999 and have renewed every year and never got one.

I hear it's in the bottom of a box somewhere, though. With nominees for 4 out of 5 BOD positions, hopefully stuff like that can be cleared up.

Now, how do we get back to talking about the SoCal Champioships? There are over a 100 people signed up already. Player pack is comig together nicely. I still have t-signs for sale for $30 each. etc, etc.

[Hey Michelle, no VP candidate, yet...wouldn't you like to help Suzette, Beth, and Tita sail the ship?!? :D



I've read the responsibilities of each position and am only able to commit to certain things under each title. If something happens and Suzette has to step down, then the deal rests on the VP's shoulders and, well, my shoulders just aren't that big. However, I will do whatever I can to help out the ladies in '05. Hm, maybe we WILL have an FPM division after all!! Yaaaaaaaaaay!! :)

What's a constitution? I joined in 1999 and have renewed every year and never got one.

I hear it's in the bottom of a box somewhere, though. With nominees for 4 out of 5 BOD positions, hopefully stuff like that can be cleared up.

Now, how do we get back to talking about the SoCal Champioships? There are over a 100 people signed up already. Player pack is comig together nicely. I still have t-signs for sale for $30 each. etc, etc.



yes.. i am looking forward to being there...

but one last question...
if there isn't a constitution available then HOW DO YOU KNOW i can't nominate myself as a non-member or nominate you as i already have done????

it's still kinda murky..maybe bruce and average joe can work it out to see if i can get a clear decision :D

but one last question...
if there isn't a constitution available then HOW DO YOU KNOW i can't nominate myself as a non-member




:eek:

but one last question...
if there isn't a constitution available then HOW DO YOU KNOW i can't nominate myself as a non-member




:eek:



Good point! Hey, you can always start the "So Cal KJ 2005 Series" and make up your own rules as you go ;)

What's a constitution? I joined in 1999 and have renewed every year and never got one.

I hear it's in the bottom of a box somewhere, though.



Hmm, how 'bout an Article of Incorporation then?

Aren't you the current president? If you don't have a constituition, then under what authority did you become president?

Why can't Keith become a member now? And why is he not already one? (Or perhaps a better question, why did he think he was one?)

I happen to possess copies of the Articles of Incorporation and the Bylaws for So Cal DGA.

To answer a few questions:

New board members can be elected or appointed by the current BOD.

Fiscal year runs from October 1, to September 30th, so the election of the new BOD should take place before 9/30.

The Secretary is the only Board member required to have a copy of the AOI and Bylaws.

I see nowhere in the Bylaws where being a current member is a requirement for serving on the BOD. But since Rhett IS the current BOD, good luck getting elected by him.

Any further questions?

time to suck some butt keith :D

SHOULD BE A GREAT TOURNEY!!! :D


New board members can be elected or appointed by the current BOD.


Just a guess, but I think this refers to the "at-large" positions of the past [?]

Keith, thanks for your concern...happily, it looks now like SoCal will live-on! Only fitting, being birthplace of the SPORT, n'all.

Michelle, I understand; I hope you can forgive me for 'pestering" you...but how about something smaller, like that "Ladies Day" at Whittier which Tita tried to instigate in 2003? That's an concept deserves to get off the ground; who better, etc.!

off topic
steve youv'e been posting a lot lately are you trying to catch up with me,
on topic
what office are you running for ?

Michelle, I understand; I hope you can forgive me for 'pestering" you...but how about something smaller, like that "Ladies Day" at Whittier which Tita tried to instigate in 2003? That's an concept deserves to get off the ground; who better, etc.!



I'd rather be there for the ladies, if they get elected, and help them out on a wide scale basis. I would also like to see a tourney out at Animazonia as a fundraiser type thing.... kind of along the same thing as Cliff does at Griffith Park/Elyson Park. But I'll have to first check schedules to make sure we pick a weekend that doesn't coincide with another tourney. It also has to be held in the winter or spring since it gets pretty darn hot out in Riverside. I'm also working on getting 3 tents for Animazonia for their annual fundraiser.. So I am busy with volunteer work for them as well. :D

I see nowhere in the Bylaws where being a current member is a requirement for serving on the BOD. But since Rhett IS the current BOD, good luck getting elected by him.




LMAO! YOU GO GIRL!

Jack, that's funny, coming from you!!! :D:D:D
The position I'm running for is "Attaboy". ;) But I do plan to co-TD Eldo, and possibly a couple-other SoCal tourneys; ergo the interest.

SAY, IT SHOULD BE A SWELL TOURNEY! :D How are the AMs series' races looking?

that was pretty funny :D:D:D

Forgiven hits 1200, in typical style!! :D:D

I happen to possess copies of the Articles of Incorporation and the Bylaws for So Cal DGA.

...

Any further questions?



Yeah. Is it allowed for the BOD to be just one person? (Actually the website claims that there are two members on the current board).

What happened to the previous BOD? They just appointed Rhett, and quit?

YEA
that would sume it up pretty good jim

Forgiven hits 1200, in typical style!! :D:D



99 more to go and i'm a ROLLER QUEEN :D:D:D

Isn't the other BOD member Treasurer Laurie Stroh?!?

Thanks, Team Stroh, for doing what nobody else had the gumption to do! :)

HOW ABOUT THAT UPCOMING CHAMPS?!? :p

I happen to possess copies of the Articles of Incorporation and the Bylaws for So Cal DGA.

To answer a few questions:

New board members can be elected or appointed by the current BOD.

Fiscal year runs from October 1, to September 30th, so the election of the new BOD should take place before 9/30.

The Secretary is the only Board member required to have a copy of the AOI and Bylaws.

I see nowhere in the Bylaws where being a current member is a requirement for serving on the BOD. But since Rhett IS the current BOD, good luck getting elected by him.

Any further questions?



rhett actually likes me(i think)so he could appoint me if he wanted to...
how many tee signs do i need to sponsor before being nominated??? :eek:

thanks for the info suzette....it helps to know

time to suck some butt keith :D



no need....or should i say desire to :eek:
:D

Is it allowed for the BOD to be just one person?



Apparently it is. In California (and a handful of other states) the BOD only needs to be one person according to one web site I stumbled across.

Why can't Keith become a member now? And why is he not already one? (Or perhaps a better question, why did he think he was one?)




to answer the first question:
i don't know why i couldn't become a member a couple of weeks ago when i first asked :confused:


to answer the second and third questions:
i thought i was when i played in san diego earlier this year....i belong to so many clubs i guess i have to start getting receipts and photos when i join and renew :D
(not saying that i ever joined for sure,but i thought i was a member going back to my first cali event..the us masters a few years ago) as i usually support clubs with people i like and tim selinske and innova were involved with the us masters....but i guess i didn't since there is no record of me joining
keith

can i join now....huh? please....please :D

i don't know why i couldn't become a member a couple of weeks ago when i first asked :confused:



You even asked to join and were willing to pay the dues and were turned down???? I'm confused too! That just doesn't make sense!! Uh-oh, there's probably some dumb rule about only being able to join January thru _______ ????.

So if a new person came along today and wanted to mail in their dues and join as a new member, they'd be turned down as well??? or just Keith??? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

So if a new person came along today and wanted to mail in their dues and join as a new member, they'd be turned down as well??? or just Keith??? :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:



I could have sworn I read something in the bylaws about "Just Keith"! :p

I'll have to look again! ;)

CAN'T WAIT FOR THE TOURNEY! :cool:

Keith, I see you're in the field...hope to meet you in person on the 26th; put a face to the name! But, in the meantime, how about you'n'me, right here, right now, making a pact to become current, as soon as 2005 memberships become available? Then these sort of things won't happen! :o

it's a proven fact that women are much better at originizing things ,i think the bod should be all women :D

I could have sworn I read something in the bylaws about "Just Keith"! :p



Sounds like a great idea :D


Seriously, Keith, if you joined over two years ago, I'm not surprised that you're not on the books. You're obviously not "current", and who knows if they track legacy members?

Here are some points of clarification:

I was appointed to the BoD by the then current president somewhere in 2002, I think. The pres quit is 2003, and no one else would take pres so I did. The other BOD member's lives got busy shortly thereafter and they became non-contributors, eventually resigning also due to busy lives. At that point it was me and my wife. I coulda/shoulda bailed at the beginning of 2003 also, but I thought I could get SoCal back on track since it was not a graceful transition at all and quite a bit of everything was in extreme disarray. (It will be much better for the new BOD.)

I single handedly decided last year that accepting SoCal memberships after June was silly since no one could get any benefit of Series points at that point. This year it made even more sense to cut off membership in July for that reason, and also because it was looking very much like SoCal would cease to exist. I could not see taking people's money and then folding the organization.

There are people here who have no idea how anything really works, and they make up stories about how they think it works and then tell lies and give me crap about it. Imagine if they had a real reason to ***** and whine, like I took their money for 2005 SoCal Membership and then there was no SoCal in 2005.

It's not worth it accepting memberships for next year for me. No way, no how.

But 81 to go, now, Jack...so what, next week?!? Certainly before the Champs! It's not a question of if you catch Atwood, but when. :D

Per the AMs races: First off: Why FW1, FW2, FW3, instead of FA1, FA2, and FA3? The way I read that code, the first letter is gender, the second letter is classification [Pro, AMs, Junior, etc.], and the third symbol is level; that all adds up to a specific division. Or is that even the way it works? Am I inventing my own vernacular? Perhaps this has been addressed elsewhere, but I missed it. :confused:

Anyways...ALL AMs divisions save MJ's 1&3 are offered; if you want to know why, check the results.

FW1: Only Erin White will be looking to improve; the rest of the field will move 10 points closer as of the 2-minute warning. That could* move Li'l Crusher to within 5 points. That's not insurmountable, but it boils down to one of these combinations, just to tie: 5 places ahead, 4 places and one placER ahead, or 3 places and 2 placers. So, a minimum of 3 on the 'separation', which would be impossible in a 3 person division [only one entry, as of today]. And even, then no quarantee.

...Kathy Downing would have been a strong contender here, but she moved up to Pro after the Old McDonald tourney.

FW2: Laurie Stroh has 'clinched'...congrats!

FW3:Yvonne Jamison has 'clinched'...congrats!

Next: The MA's 1-3.

* both Erin and Megan competed against Juliana [in Pros, obviously] during the the 2003 SoCal Finale'. Erin is not on 2004's list, yet.

slo, could you please use the other thread for actual commentary about the tournament? This thread is apparaently for crying and whining.

slo, could you please use the other thread for actual commentary about the tournament? This thread is apparaently for crying and whining.


don't be sad rhett most thresds drift from the topic by the 2nd page anyways :D

There are people here who have no idea how anything really works, and they make up stories about how they think it works and then tell lies and give me crap about it.



For the record, I'll point out to you that in YOUR newsletter, YOU yourself admitted there was very little communication on your part!! We are not mindreaders and have no idea what's going on behind the scenes and why certain decisions are made. So we ask. JFC!!

slo, could you please use the other thread for actual commentary about the tournament? This thread is apparaently for crying and whining.



Can you say "CONTROL FREAK?"

slo, could you please use the other thread for actual commentary about the tournament? This thread is apparaently for crying and whining.



Can you say "CONTROL FREAK?"



Yeah, stuff like that on this thread.

...sorry; I'm a little short on the snivel, today! :D

for pete sakes man pick yourself up and stop flopping all over your avatar :D

Rhett, I sure am looking forward to you picking apart every decision made by the new BOD next season. That'll be sweet :D

...less than ten days now; here's my take on the 'peripheral' divisions:

MJ1 & MJ3 not offered; not enough competition [which reminds me...when is that Stancil Johnson book due?!?].

MJ2: CJ Powell has clinched...congrats!

MM1 [advanced Masters]: Now this is a race! Dan Shorkey and Jeff Graham have battled head-to-head six times this season, with exactly a two-point spread between them in each event...Jeff winning the first two, then Dan battling back to sweep the next four. Their scores would indicate they not only finished one-behind-the-other in each event, but also near the top...1-2 in the scoring...just 'bout every time out that[/i] deeply :D].

Using but their best four scores, the pointspread going into the Finale' is...2 points! If it's Jeff/Dan 1/2 it looks like we'll need a tiebreak here!

[b]MG1 [advanced Grandmasters]: Scott Jamison will make it official at the two minute warning...congrats!

next up: Novii.