Hi there,

This is Richard from Discology in London. Thought there'd be a few people out there interested to hear some news of the new British designed golf disc from Discwing, the Quarter K.

Last weekend, Discwing came along to the British Open Championships sponsored by Discology. Accompanying the Discwing Team was a prototype of their new disc, the Quarter K.

As you can imagine there was much excitement.

The 170g prototype disc looks very similar to regular drivers, however there is a distictive design modification on the bottom plate.

I watched the Quarter K being thrown by Britain's no.1 player (Derek Robins), and two of the UK's longest throwers.

The throwers were swapping between their usual max. distance driver and the Quarter K to provide a comparison.

The Quarter K consistantly flew straighter and longer, significantly longer.

Very fast, shallow s curve.

I don't feel it necessary to estimate the distances that were being thrown. The obvious observation was that the Quarter K was flying faster and further than the regular drivers.

Perhaps the other significant observation was that the disc required a slightly different grip, very subtle, but an adjustment needed never the less.

Having spoken at length with Jon Potts from Discwing over the weekend. He is hoping that the PDGA will approve his disc by October, with mass production to follow shortly after.

I believe Discwing is taking a few prototypes to the Worlds in des Moines and that you will be able to see this disc fly on Sunday August 8th at the Field Events area. I'd urge you to stop by, this disc could really turn out to be something very special.

Richard Sampson
Director - Discology UK

What type of grip change are you talking about?

And when you say significantly longer, what are we talking about? 50ft? 100ft? More than 100?

I am eager to see these in flight, as well as throw one. The last time someone claimed to revolutionize the disc, it was the Epic, and we know how that turned out.

Nonetheless, thanks for the update. I will look to purchase the QuarterK soon, as well as hear some of the reviews from the worlds.

Can you explain how the name of the disc came about?

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and what discs was it going against? Was it Quarter K versus a Orc or was it Quarter K vs.the Leopard?

The 170g prototype disc looks very similar to regular drivers, however there is a distictive design modification on the bottom plate.





What's the distinctive design modification? Obviously it can't be that big of a trade secret if you're already showing them out in public....

I always look forward to new plastic to throw, but the claims seem a bit suspect without any solid data. Can you provide a picture of the bottom of the disc? Can you provide distance comparisons with common discs and average thrown distances by skill level? I don't mean to cast doubt upon your claims, but it's hard to get really excited about "revolutionary" products without some real data. Can you help me with this?

I don't want to post the web site link, just do a search and there is some information to read on there web site

There is also a picture (more like topography) in the newest DGWN.

Will the discs be available for sale at worlds or just to show.

Since they won't be PDGA-approved until October at the earliest, I wouldn't count on too many of them being there.

Why would that matter. Dont they want to sell them. They have been "available soon" for 2 years now??

Someone could email Derick and find out what he has to say. Was this new disc up against the Flash?

Someone could email Derick and find out what he has to say. Was this new disc up against the Flash?



Why does everyone keep trying to compare this to Orcs or Flashes or whatever. If you read the same thing I did, it says they threw their distance disc, then this new one. Who cares what they threw. His point was the comparison, not the disc it was compared to. Sheeesh.

Someone could email Derick and find out what he has to say. Was this new disc up against the Flash?



Why does everyone keep trying to compare this to Orcs or Flashes or whatever. If you read the same thing I did, it says they threw their distance disc, then this new one. Who cares what they threw. His point was the comparison, not the disc it was compared to. Sheeesh.



But who's to say that if they threw an Orc, this new disc and "their distance driver" the Orc wouldn't have clearly won out? I don't see it as being a useful experiment unless you actually compare discs they thew.

If they could throw Orcs the farthest, then they would probably already use Orcs for distance.
This is not me bashing any particular disc, so don't take it that way.

Nicely put Chris.

If they could throw Orcs the farthest, then they would probably already use Orcs for distance.
This is not me bashing any particular disc, so don't take it that way.



Not if they're more comfortable and get better control from a TeeBird or Eagle. I really don't think the assumption you're making is necessarily correct. While it may be true in some cases, there are also many cases where it is not true. There are a lot of pros out there who don't use discs that give them their maxium distance as "distance" drivers. Many times they use discs that give them more control. In other words, saying the disc flies farther for them than a Teebird in the hands of a pro doesn't mean the same thing as saying the disc flies farther for them than a Orc/Beast/Flash/Illusion, etc in the hands of a pro. You can probably find a pro that can throw an Epic farther than a TeeBird but chances are they don't use the Epic as their distance driver.

But I was also under the impression that we were talking pure distance, not golf distance. Theres a distinct difference.

I was there and there and threw it. I also saw it thrown a number of times by many different players of all levels.

The underside had a wider rim and players including myself who cross thier 2 outermost fingers found that uncomfortable. When we switched grips, we were driving further than with a cross fimger grip anyway.

I have never seen anything like it. The Quarter K consistantly beat players favourite driver for distance evey time. I amoungst others found it held very well in the wind.

I also saw it been thrown out of the disc golf course and down a road :eek:

It's called the quarter K because the world distance record stands at 250 meters - which is a quarter of a kilometer - From what I saw last weekend I'd put some money on this disc breaking the quater kilomete distance soon hence Quarter K. ;)

The Bongo Bongo club is online :)
I bet a pound that is does not get pdga approved.

Where is OZ Friere now?

I cant wait to check this thing out in Iowa....

I'm all about new toys to play with. That's one of the things I love about our sport.

And I don't mean to be negative, but I'll wait to get excited by all these claims of superiority until its available as a PDGA approved disc (of course if they'd approve the Epic, they'd approve anything) and some real testing by some quality throwers on a golf course.

Of course, I'll still wanna buy one when they come out. :)

Reading what they say about this dic on the website and in the DGWN ad, it appears that they have put a taper in the profile of the bottom inside rim. This would seem to make some sense from an aerodynamic standpoint, and I have often wondered why nobody has tried it before, although I supsect that some of the reason might be due to the fear that the resultant disc would be harder to grip and release with a good snap. The comments about grip on this thread are consonant with that hypothesis.

At any rate, it is exciting to see something different come along. It would be great to see a U.S. distributor. (Anyone from Nike reading this thread? Here is your chance to get into disc golf -- hey, you could have both Tiger and Kenny using and endorsing Nike drivers!)

But I was also under the impression that we were talking pure distance, not golf distance. Theres a distinct difference.



That's my point. They are ambiguous about what they're compareing. When someone just says "distance driver" you don't know if it's golf distance or pure distance. You're making the assumption they want you to make without them having to show any proof. While it very well may be the correct assumption we have no gurantee.

I agree that it does have a cool, British sounding name (or is that part just me?) and sound fun to try, though.

Someone could email Derick and find out what he has to say. Was this new disc up against the Flash?



Has anyone ever seen Derick throw distance? Now that is funny. Looking forward to seeing one of my pommie mates soon. Who is the unlucky b that has to share a room with him, bring a nose peg :eek:

Good to see metric coming to the world of disc golf. A quarter of a kilometre (notice spelling) is a cool way to get a disc name.

I also look forward to throwing and owning one. Maybe I could trade some for some H...... discs :D

See you soon Derick.

Chris

Sorry to go OT, but ...



Hey Chris, maybe it's an Aussie thing, but shouldn't the 24 hour marathon be called "Disc Golfers AGAINST Cancer"???? :p :p :p :p :p

Will correct that next year :D The term, "Play Disc Golf - Fight Cancer" is still strong.

Back to trashing Dericks distance skills...

The following appraisal of the Quarter K is by Jamie Wilson, currently placed 2nd on the British Tour.

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Dear Golfers

For those of you who didn't make it to the British Open at Quarry Park you missed out. Not only on a great tournament, but on the opportunity to throw the brand new British designed and manufactured Quarter-K disc from Discwing. http://www.discwing.com

When I first heard about the QK I was sceptical. What could be done with the design of a driver (within the PDGA rules of disc specification) that hadn't been done already by one of the big disc producing companies?

A lot, it turns out.

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NB, I'm not connected to Discwing, I'm just an excited golfer.
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The QK's designer, Jonnie Potts, brought the only two prototypes in the world of this new disc with him, a 169g and a 170g. Throwing the disc was utterly amazing. It flies and glides like nothing else that I've tried before. It's fast (boy, is it fast) right up until the end of its (huge) flight. It just doesn't seem to want to slow down.

Initially I found it difficult to grip as the underside of the rim is a
slightly different shape to normal drivers. It's more rounded, (there's no verticle, flat inner-rim) meaning a regular power grip with finger tips pressed into the rim didn't work. I got the best results from spreading my fingers out under the plate in a control-grip manner and generating the snap from the front of my hand (pitching the plate between thumb and forefinger).
This disc doesn't need excessive power to fly, just good guidance and it'll get on with its job.

Throwing big high anhyzer roll curves were a delight, the disc soared and held its line for ages. With no sense of urgency it straighten up, came back and began to fade. It was still motoring when it finally touched down.

It is possible to stall the Quarter K but it's hard. Throw a normal driver with too much height and you know what will happen. The speed of the Quarter K seems to mean it is a lot more forgiving to what may have previously been 'bad' throws, it keeps going well past what you imagine will be the natural
stall point.

Comparison with anything else on the market is difficult as this disc is unique, but at a push I guess you could say it has similar characteristics to something like a Beast. It'll go left if thrown with skip curve or right if thrown with roll, only much, much further.

Of all my drivers the Beast was the disc I could regularly get the most distance out of, but the Quarter K was crushing it to bits adding another 20-40y to end up 130-160y away and I feel with practice it will go further.

If you're thinking right now 'I can beat a Beast everytime with my Orc/Crush/Valk/Supersoft/whatever', or snorting 'Pah, Beasts don't go left with skip curve they always turn over' then fine, I'm happy for you, please don't use our valuable time writing that. The point I'm stiving to make is that everyone I saw throwing the QK, no matter what the size of their arm, was finding more yardage.

Congratulations and thanks to Discwing, I can't wait for the QK to hit the market.

Jes*

OK, ya got me. NOW I'm curious!

So there's only two right now?

Do you know the date of release?

What kind of plastic is the QK made out of?

It hasn't made a production run yet. It's still a prototype.

It sounds like it should be illegal...haha...

Just checked out the Discwing website. They've posted some picks on there of what the profile looks like. Kind of looks like every edge is rounded...

(just select the various titles across the top i.e. research, etc.. to see about 5 different pics)

Just checked out the Discwing website. They've posted some picks on there of what the profile looks like. Kind of looks like every edge is rounded...



Here is the main side view...
http://www.discwing.com/images/side-bar03.jpg

I am wondering if the rounded edges will make this discs lifespan (stability wise) longer or shorter. Will this disc be able to "take a nick or two" and still have the same flight characteristics.

That's a picture of Gene Simmons' tongue!!! :p

That's a picture of Gene Simmons' tongue!!! :p



Thats what I was thinking! Which end is up?! :cool:

I have no reason to doubt the reviews, but first appearance of the profile doesn't seem especially revolutionary (except perhaps that it's been taken to an extreme)...that's how Dunipace retooled the Bomb a couple years ago from a more noticeable concave shape to the smoothed out form and bottom rim kicker. This subtle under-rim definition is apparent in much of his work, differentiating various levels of stability in disc profiles.

A sloped inner rim is used in Ed's Gumbputt...

But if it flys- good for them!

Yeah, which end is up in that picture? If you were to flip that picture upside down, you'd think it'd be understable... it must be right side up.

Does anyone know how stable this disc is?

Must be in the middle stability wise so it can do distance helix's

I'm not going to buy one until I throw a few and hear some reviews. It seems like with all these new designs (epic, discwing, ching) if they really did produce significant results, they would already be on discs. Maybe no one thought of it. One thing I know is that when you throw a disc upside down, its alot faster and more overstable than throwing it the right way.

The poster "Frisbee 365" is a distributor for the company that makes this disc. Sounds like advertising, he's only made 2 posts on this message board, both on this thread. We remember how the owner of Aerobie came here telling how great the Epic is. What a lump of dead plastic that thing was.

On the other hand, a rounded underside sounds like a fantastic idea. I imagine this disc flies like he says it does, it's pretty obvious that a rounded underside would reduce friction and drag, the square edge on regular golf discs can't do anything but slow it down. Are there any blunt square edges on a stealth bomber? A Corvette?

Yah, within a few years all drivers will have rounded undersides. This is a major idea.

Hip Hip, jolly what, and all that rot. Cheerio, let me unload the articulated when the first lorrie full of discs gets stateside, mate. I'll buy 12 stone of them.

I do believe I saw Avery Jenkins throwing one out at the field events today at worlds(Next to the distance competition). I do believe it was guesstimated at around 600+... Pardon if I have the wrong person throwing...but like I said...I think that's who it was. I got a chance to grip one...didn't get a chance to throw it though...the rounded lip might take a little getting used to...but it looks and feels like a winner.

I do believe I saw Avery Jenkins throwing one out at the field events today at worlds(Next to the distance competition). I do believe it was guesstimated at around 600+... Pardon if I have the wrong person throwing...but like I said...I think that's who it was.



Driving home from yesterday's Whitcombe Classic in rain soaked Beaminster, England I received a very excited text from Discwing designer Jonny Potts. He confirmed the last post. Avery Jenkins threw the Quarter K 200 yards, measured by laser. He didn't say what the wind conditions were.

I've seen Avery throw a hubcap 600 feet :D

In all seriousness, i'm eager to see the Quarter K.

Doesn't Avery's Innova sponsorship preclude him from throwing non-innova? (at least that's what he always says when I ask him to try out my Discraft :D) I think the facts need to be checked.

Im sure he's allowed to throw whatever he wants as long as its not in compitition...this is a free country so i dont see why he wouldnt be able to throw whatever he wants when hes just fartin around...He probaly just doesnt want to throw discraft because he knows its useless plastic.

Spoken like the true idiot you are.

Im sure he's allowed to throw whatever he wants as long as its not in compitition...this is a free country so i dont see why he wouldnt be able to throw whatever he wants when hes just fartin around...He probaly just doesnt want to throw discraft because he knows its useless plastic.

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Spoken like the true idiot you are.




Wow you need to get a grip man that is taking a little jab at plastic that he does'nt like to throw kinda personal :confused:

I also throw :DINNOVA :Dbecause of consistant flight pattern's after calibration "IE" Tree Whacking for a straight flying Disc. :cool:Once it is tuned in it will hold a controlable line longer than Discra*, But hey that is just MHO :p ;)


Here come's the N.W. in IOWA :cool::D:D :eek: ;)


Hey E.W.
I heard rumor that you also have a piece of INNOVA back in your BAG :o;) /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I've seen Avery throw a hubcap 600 feet :D



True enough, and it's still about 67m short of 1/4 KM.

Still not a bad toss no matter the wind conditions.

Westa:

Is it just me, or do you have a blind spot?

what are you talking about??

It seems like many companies make many good discs. Unwillingness to try them, or thinking that all of them are "bad" or "crap" strikes me as a blind spot. Like in your car, when you can't see the other car, even though its there? Blind spot. Not dissing you, just an observation.

right on, im just not a big fan of discrafts drivers i think all there drivers are crap, but they do make a **** fine putter (soft challenger) and a decent midrange Z-Buzzz which i throw only went i dont want to lose my CE Roc..is that better i have a rear view mirror now :D

:D

Anxiously awaiting more '200 yard Discwing throw' hype ... :D

I talked to Avery J. at Canadian Nationals, after he gave everyone a thorough beating (he beat Feldberg, second place, by 11 strokes) He said that he usually tries out all the new drivers from other companies, to see how they fly, but that obviously he's not allowed to throw anything but Innova in competition.