I already read which putters you guys hate...
Let's see about the drivers,

So, which drivers do you hate:

1. Dragon - maybe if it came in 175 i'd like it
2. Reaper - UNPREDICTABLE, hyzers in the wind :D
3. Condor and Zephyr - Too big :D
4. Storm - No use in bag

oh soo many drivers, so few i like

1. Aerobie Epic- look at it
2. Wildcat- too flippy
3. Monster- waaay to stable

i only carry four drivers a two Valks, a Beast, and Leopard

Well of all the drivers I have and have used, Im gonna go against the grain, and catch hell from a lot of folks here, but I do not like my T-birds, and they just collect dust.

I officially hate....

valks
epics
beasts
crushs'

I don't like:

Z-Crush
Archangel
Valkyrie
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PT Woods
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Well of all the drivers I have and have used, Im gonna go against the grain, and catch hell from a lot of folks here, but I do not like my T-birds, and they just collect dust.


I hate that your Teebirds are collecting dust. Send them to me, I'll give them a good home. :D

Hate is a strong word, anyway the Epic from Superflights and Eclipse by Discraft are two drivers that I don�t like at all.

I find a Valkyrie the most unpredicatable disc I have ever thrown. I strongly dislike it.

Drivers I don't care for:

Speed Demon(does it do more than turn left?)
Valk (too unpredictable for me)

Speed Demon(does it do more than turn left?)



Nope! But thats all you're supposed to do with it!

I've heard you can only truly hate that which you once loved...so I'm gonna have to say the Z Crush. It has produced some of my longest throws, however I'm never quite sure what's going to happen when I throw it unless there is absolutely no wind. In zero wind conditions I have a hard time descriminating it from my Orcs, but when a little breeze is blowing it will turn into the ground, where my Orcs will flip and come back enough to stay in the air.

Sorry, I don't watch NASCAR.

Sorry, I don't watch NASCAR.



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Dragon-however it is nice to carry so you can get your frustration out. slam it into a tree it does a complete taco. put it in between two discs in your bag and 2 holes later its completely flat and ready to be tacoed again.

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can't stand Z-Crush although I keep it in my bag as a hammer disc
i also don't like valks too flippy and unpredictable

I cant think of a driver from discraft that ive ever liked. i try to get discs that are suppose to be the equivilent to some of innovas drivers, such as Orc=Flash, or Wildcat=Valk, or Talon=TeeBird, and i cant find anything that discraft makes that is even close to innovas drivers. the only thing discraft makes thats good in my opinion is the challenger, and i guess i kinda like the Buzz. Other than that though :p

But he putts with a UV Soft Challenger :o

Innova only makes 5 Good Discs. Firebird, T Bird, Roc, Rhyno and Aviar. I really hate the Epic and ANY gateway driver. :D

Optimizer
Monster

these are the only two that seem totally worthless to me, also how in the hell did the condor make this list, I thought we were talking about drivers not trash-can lids!

Wizdumb - I'm in your club. I don't know what the deal is, but I have never gotten one decent throw with a T-bird.

Sorry, I don't watch NASCAR.



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You're not getting Hysell's lame attempt at humor. The thread is about which drivers do you hate.

Speed Demon(does it do more than turn left?)



Sure. Forehand, it goes right.

I don't like the JLS. Sweet flight, but the plastic is about as resilient as cheese. Even DX doesn't lose massive chunks every time it hits something.

Drivers I HATE (they may work for you)

Crush
Beast
Orc
Flash


I've easily thrown a dozen different Crushes and Beasts and they are all extremely inconsistant and unpredictable. The Orcs and Flashes are the same way, just longer. I HATE them. The ONLY wide-rimmed discs I like right now are Speed Demons and Spirits, because I know exactly what its going to do when it leaves my hand. (no, they don't instantly fade)

The reason I don't hate the Epic is because the tomohawk is sooooo cool!!

I cant think of a driver from discraft that ive ever liked. i try to get discs that are suppose to be the equivilent to some of innovas drivers, such as Orc=Flash, or Wildcat=Valk, or Talon=TeeBird, and i cant find anything that discraft makes that is even close to innovas drivers.




You can't be serious. It's not that they are supposed to be just like innova drivers, it's that they have flight characteristics similar to those innova drivers. I just find it hard to believe that if Discraft offered you some sort of sponsorship that you'd say NO.

Drivers I HATE (they may work for you)

Crush
Beast
Orc
Flash


I've easily thrown a dozen different Crushes and Beasts and they are all extremely inconsistant and unpredictable. The Orcs and Flashes are the same way, just longer. I HATE them. The ONLY wide-rimmed discs I like right now are Speed Demons and Spirits, because I know exactly what its going to do when it leaves my hand. (no, they don't instantly fade)

The reason I don't hate the Epic is because the tomohawk is sooooo cool!!



Instead of throwing dozens of different discs of the same mold, try throwing the same one dozens of times. Maybe then you'll figure it out. ;)

I'm sure he didn't throw 'em once and give up.
I threw a Crush for a while and hated it.
I threw an Orc for a while and it flew different for me a lot of times. Far, but everyone I had flew different than the others. Even new.

slow ones, the ones that cut me off, the ones all by their lonesome in a huge v-8 suv in rush hour traffic, every single one in Mass--there's a reason they're called Massholes. Every single driver in Issaquah, Wa. can go to HEdoublehockeysticks. I also hate beasts.

Im gonna have to go with the Beast. it is wayyy to unpredictablie and flippy.

Anita, if you sidearm it, it goes drastically right. :p

Speed Demon -- too overstable, even in light weights, and even some of the colors are ugly.

ProLine Beast
&
any Lightning disc

Speed Demon -- too overstable, even in light weights, and even some of the colors are ugly.



Thats what its supposed to do!
Do you guys hate Firechickens and Monsters b/c its too overstable? Probably not. The Speed Demon is a specialty disc, not a distance driver!

anything in dx plastic - everytime it's thrown it changes flight characteristics

the first time never happens again

Speed Demon -- too overstable, even in light weights, and even some of the colors are ugly.



Thats what its supposed to do!
Do you guys hate Firechickens and Monsters b/c its too overstable? Probably not. The Speed Demon is a specialty disc, not a distance driver!



If the Speed Demon were rated using Innova's newest system it would be something like this:
Speed: 10
Glide: 2
High Speed turn: +2
Low Speed Fade: +6

Monsters and Firechickens still fly flat for a good portion of their flight, the Speed Demon won't. This is what makes these discs more than specialty drivers and the SD simply a novelty.

Beat Speed Demon + Big arm = Unstoppable distance

I don't know about you, but I can keep a SD flat for a little bit before it hyzers. Not as long as others, but its not a novelty if you know how to use it; no disc is if you know how to throw it.

I don't know about you, but I can keep a SD flat for a little bit before it hyzers. Not as long as others, but its not a novelty if you know how to use it; no disc is if you know how to throw it.



You had better believe it!!! :D

I've thrown beat speed demons CrAzY distances (for me). Back when they came out, I could only throw about 315' tops. When I beat my H Speed Demon in, I could throw it about 350'! You can get huge curves out of these things!! The Spirit is much more suited to huge distances though!

[quote The Speed Demon is a specialty disc, not a distance driver!

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It was sold to me by Gateway as a distance driver, not a soecialty disc. The website describes it as stable to overstable. In reality, it is wickedly overstable. The poster who described the difference between this and the Firebird hit the nail on the head.

I have nothing against Gateway, and in fact use several of their designs on a regular basis. I just have no use for the SD, and expect that the Spirit and Illusion will make it obsolete.

SD is a very, very excellent disc for power throwers. I even throw them on occasion for open field distance practice. They are extremely fast, and very overstable.
Because of there extreme characteristics, most people are not able to use them. Which makes it that much better for those of us who can :)
When Gateway states that it is a distance disc, they are saying it goes really far for some people. They specifically note on their website that the SD is for the 300-500 foot range, so throwers that know how to throw the SD should be able to get it into that range. If you can't throw it that far, use it for something else.
And if you still hate it, private message me and I'll give you my address and I'll pay the shipping for you to send it to me so it will get some airtime.
-ryan

Monsters and Firechickens still fly flat for a good portion of their flight, the Speed Demon won't. This is what makes these discs more than specialty drivers and the SD simply a novelty.


I'd like to challenge this statement.
The disc still has a learning curve, you have to know how to throw it, and it isn't a beginner friendly disc by any means. Even the firebird is easy to learn. The SD than be thrown flat, and hold the line for quite a way before cutting, but only for someone who has taken the time to learn it.

Word.

SD is a very, very excellent disc for power throwers. I even throw them on occasion for open field distance practice. They are extremely fast, and very overstable.
Because of there extreme characteristics, most people are not able to use them. Which makes it that much better for those of us who can :)
When Gateway states that it is a distance disc, they are saying it goes really far for some people. They specifically note on their website that the SD is for the 300-500 foot range, so throwers that know how to throw the SD should be able to get it into that range. If you can't throw it that far, use it for something else.
And if you still hate it, private message me and I'll give you my address and I'll pay the shipping for you to send it to me so it will get some airtime.
-ryan




I agree with this. I'm not a power thrower by any means, but I know some people who are and they can throw Speed Demons HUGE distances. I know some innova dudes who throw Firebirds and Monsters for distance, but you guys wouldn't say those discs are useless. The Speed Demon just needs getting used to, a little practice, and it will get huge distance for a true power thrower.


I remember when it came out, one of the Gateway pros threw a new one 493'! A NEW SPEED DEMON!!

I can get a new SD up to around 450' with it's virgin flight, then as they are beat, then go further and furth.

I'll play along, if I can go with "don't like" rather than hate. Everything has a use for someone and hate for me is reserved for things and people more offensive than a golf disc. :)

Speed Demon - Get the same ridiculous overstability with my Z-Xtreme, but more control for "magic disc" shots. :)

Champion Beast - Every one outta the bag was different. Harder to control and throw with consistency than anything I've ever thrown.

Candy Archangel - Coulda, shoulda, woulda, but wasn't.

And the most overrated golf disc of all time (just because it pisses people off to say it):

1st Run CE Valkyrie - That much money for something that most of the time just does what several good $15 drivers can do better.

DX Firebirds: I just can't throw the **** thing without it hyzering all over the place. I think I have pretty good technique (I can get a Valk 350-400'), but maybe I need to work on my snap more or something....or maybe this disc just sucks :D.

DX Firebirds: I just can't throw the **** thing without it hyzering all over the place. I think I have pretty good technique (I can get a Valk 350-400'), but maybe I need to work on my snap more or something....or maybe this disc just sucks :D.



No, its just not designed to much more than Hyzer. Just like the Speed Demon, its not a distance disc.

people who go 55mph in the fast lane and won't pull over to let you pass :D

But don't you hate the ones that do 65mph in the fast lane more?

DX Firebirds: I just can't throw the **** thing without it hyzering all over the place. I think I have pretty good technique (I can get a Valk 350-400'), but maybe I need to work on my snap more or something....or maybe this disc just sucks :D.



No, its just not designed to much more than Hyzer. Just like the Speed Demon, its not a distance disc.



Yeah but I can't get crap outta this thing. I mean I'm lucky to get it 300' :confused: :mad::confused:!!! It barely out drives my putter! Good for strong winds I guess but right now I'll stick with the Banshee for my wind disc.

Another disc I hate--D Series Stratus. Weak plastic. I split mine in half less than 6mos after I bought it and once it gets beat up its wildly understable.

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Speed Demon(does it do more than turn left?)


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Nope! But thats all you're supposed to do with it!

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Heres a tip for anyone with a speed demon, with the logo facing you, bend the disc like a taco, turn 45 degrees and do the same, repeat a few times, look at the side profile and make sure it is even...(not wavy)...then throw...shazamm!!! An understable speed demon...then simply reverse the process(logo away from you) to make it overstable...I guarantee the results.

Z-crush
Spirit
Speed demon

Any reasons behind hating the Spirit and SD Rocco?
Most people try to use them for something THEY personally can't, and wind up hating them.

I have a love/hate relationship with my Z Wildcat. Its a clear 169 tyedye and I can put it on about any line I want, and I can do it pretty consistantly but when I step up to take my shot, I don't feel confident with it. I don't know what it is about that disc. I had another Z Wildcat that was a opaque orange 171 and it was one of my favorite discs ever! Oh well. Ive thrown other Z-cats and they have been nice. I guess I just got a weird one.

Anyways, I have a new hate for the Champion Eagle. That disc just doesn't have the distance of the DX version and can't really stand up in a 15+ headwind. I think the DX Version is much more versatile and better! Just my opinion though. BTW, I've never thrown a Champ Eagle over 300' but I've thrown DX to 400'. Oh well!

I have a few drivers I loathe:

Champion valkyrie: Wild and very understable. Funny thing is I love the DX valk.

Champion teebird: Just a dead disc. No distance and inconsistent. Not awful, but not long enough compared to other discs.

Firebird: I know it's very overstable, but I have no use at all for it.

Whippet: Same as firebird except I hate this disc with a passion.

X press: No glide and flips on a dime.

Archangel: heavy weights are OK, but lighter ones will flip even on a 50% power throw.

Champion eagle: Too overstable and lousy glide. The DX eagle has it beat in every way.

Any Eagle.

Any Eagle.



Im with you there buddy i hate eagles with a passion
....But i hate CE more than DX

you sure hate a good chunk of innova's line of discs. maybe it's time you tried discraft out so you can start hating them too. the champion teebird is one of my primary drivers, i don't hate it in any way. the only discs i've ever disliked were those that i didn't know how to throw well, but considering that 90% of today's newer players are looking for "max d" out of every disc on the market, it makes since that so many guys are dissatisfied with a decent number of them. once you figure out what a disc's supposed to do, chances are it will do that for you most of the time if you really give it a chance. just a thought.

I hate green drivers.....so hard to find in tall grass

you sure hate a good chunk of innova's line of discs. maybe it's time you tried discraft out so you can start hating them too. the champion teebird is one of my primary drivers, i don't hate it in any way. the only discs i've ever disliked were those that i didn't know how to throw well, but considering that 90% of today's newer players are looking for "max d" out of every disc on the market, it makes since that so many guys are dissatisfied with a decent number of them. once you figure out what a disc's supposed to do, chances are it will do that for you most of the time if you really give it a chance. just a thought.



Amen...its no wonder people hate Speed Demons and FirBirds when they expect big D out of them.

lightning!!

Hate all eagles....definatly the CE Eagle
I also dont like the Monster

Discs i absolutely Won't throw right now:
Beast(everyone i had were all the Old pRoline stamp.. and each one was inconsistently bad)
Valkyrie.. I have no reason for a disc to turn over and come back... I throw teebirds.. they get right to the point.

Discs i don't like(possibly because of the production run)
Pro ORC: Max weight and the one i got is flippy as hell.. i can't get any D with it and if i want something to flip that much i'll just throw my beat up DX gazelle.. at least i know that will come back at some point.
Whippet: Just don't need a disc to go that hard without getting Distance.. i'd rather have a firebird.

-Scott Lewis

If you wanna consider it a driver, I can't stand the Dragon...worst waste of money ever. I think that's the only disc I've owned that I just can't work into my bag at some point.

Quarter K - I just can't seem to get my hands on one.

I hate all non innova drivers


-and if you don't like your Monster, send it to me BEATCH

I hate all drivers that aren't lightning!

And if you don't like your D-3 Prostyle...send it to me BIATCH!

I hate Orcs and CE Rocs. Orcs fly nicely for some, I just hate how everyone hoped on the bandwagon and EVERYONE throws one. And CE Rocs just make me laugh when some one in my group starts telling a sob story as we're looking for his in the bush...don't throw discs if you aren't ready to deal with the consequence of loosing it!!!! Plus $25+ is ridiculous even if it is a fundraiser. (I could see $25 as a fundraiser for collecting, but $25+ to throw...stupid)

I hate my CE roc as well......except every time i throw it and it goes exactly where i want it to go. But i don't see how that fits here, since this is about drivers...maybe i am going crazy.

My CE Roc IS my best driver :)

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The Reaper. When I get one of these for a CTP, player's pack, or pre-packed payout, it goes in the "To throw near water" pile.
Z-Putter. God, it's ugly, and doesn't it just feel weird in your hand?
MF Sentinal - I hit one tree (yeah it was only 30' away) and this one grew a boob near where it hit. It sure does air bounce now though...

I guess the driver I've felt the most uncomfortable with in my hand is the flick. Its just soooo skinny. I try to hold on tight but oops it flys out of my hand with layer of skin. Since I don't have a forehand thats probably the biggest reason I don't like it.
I'm also frustrated with the Champion whipet. I can't seem to find a hole to use it. WX, no distance and if I want a controled overstable midrange shot I'll use a new Wasp...but I would like to see what the Drone can do for me.

I guess the driver I've felt the most uncomfortable with in my hand is the flick. Its just soooo skinny. I try to hold on tight but oops it flys out of my hand with layer of skin. Since I don't have a forehand thats probably the biggest reason I don't like it.
I'm also frustrated with the Champion whipet. I can't seem to find a hole to use it. WX, no distance and if I want a controled overstable midrange shot I'll use a new Wasp...but I would like to see what the Drone can do for me.



That makes no sense...I'm betting the Drone flies very similar to a Whippet, so if you can't throw Whippets you probably can't throw Drones either.

I will take a guess and say that you like the ORC but i give you credit if you have tried all of those discs to see if hate them or not.

I hate all of them :(
Like one of my friends always reminds me, he can pee further than I can drive.
My drives have doubled in length in the last three years, but they are still less than everyone elses.
At least putters and I get along okay :) ... otherwise I would probably have given up long ago.

I will take a guess and say that you like the ORC but i give you credit if you have tried all of those discs to see if hate them or not.



I've tried just about every disc out there. Most drivers I will throw for a while to get a feel of exactly what they will do. BTW, everyone is panning the pro orc. I threw one the other day and man, that thing is longer than the champ. orc. Straighter too. Much like a flash.

Pro Orcs are NEAT :cool:

The Pro Orc i bought was a Dyed X-out 175.. Worst disc i've ever thrown.. it is so flippy it's ridiculous... i'd rather throw my beat up 171 DX gazelle..
I'll stick to 11x Teebirds

-Scott Lewis

I am really dissapointed in the Pro Starfire. It just isn't a Starfire. I need to pick up a c ouple more of them CFR Starfires i guess. Cuz the pros aren't too hot.

Which drivers do I hate?


The ones that are not currently in my bag....

ya, what ever your champion plastic does divide that stability by two and you have your pro plastic.

But I would say that the pro starfires are a jewel in tail winds or no wind. I tried one for the first time the other day, and I have to say I was skepticle, and I cranked it at least 70 feet farther than my champion orc which used to be my farthest disc.

I suppose you could say I hate the XL. It seems like it ought to be a good driver, and it works great for Twig and many other people, and as long as I'm using someone ELSE'S it is a dead straight shooter for me. But as soon as I own one or throw one with a mind to whether I might like to buy it, control goes out the window and it goes out in a parking lot if it can find one. It must be psychological. Or else the mold actually somehow hates me.