What's with these new Ching Discs that are supposed to be out this summer?

dimpled like a golf ball.

I guess the dimples help agitate the air flow, thereby increasing its speed?

Ching site... http://www.chingdiscgolf.com/ching.htm

Blake T quote from his site http://www.discgolfreview.com/discs/ching/fusionmojo.shtml

things I found interesting:
I was able to throw these up to about 50' longer on a hyzer or anhyzer line than on a flat line drive.
Every type of shot (aside from flat) I threw with them went approximately the same distance (~200' give or take 10'), knife hyzer, sweeping hyzers, big anhyzers, etc. I've had this experience before, but only with a handful of discs.
The 170g consistently flew further for me than the 167g. What I liked:
When gripping on the dimples, I found it easier to obtain decent snap without having to add much thumb pressure.
It was stable enough to hold a straight line drive flight on a hard, slight nose up throw without flipping over.
The plastic really responded well to the basket. Soft enough to flex a bit on impact, stiff enough not to rebound out. It hit and dropped. It did tend to spin out on slight left putts, but not nearly as bad as say an omega, jk aviar, soft rhyno, etc.
very nice touch/feel through the flight plate.

What I didn't like:
There were a limited number of spots on the disc I felt comfortable gripping.
It was very finesse oriented... which I actually like, but foresee many people not liking that part of it.
I found it difficult to get a gradual roll curve, although this is probably more due to weakness in my technique.
It was 30-50' shorter than my usual approach discs (wizards), but I am a fan of being able to push putter type discs as far as I can distance-wise (although I recognize that there are different philosophies on this).

Things I see that may cause trouble:
If the disc gets a gouge or bur in your normal grip spot(s) it may become difficult to throw.
People who throw with a fan grip may get a lot of drag friction on the bottom of the flight plate as they clear the dimples.

Overall, it was a fun disc to throw and very accurate. This disc flies similar to an Aero, but seemed to handle snap better with a sufficiently clean release. People that have trouble turning over putters will probably struggle with this disc. However, I do think it is a very interesting and accurate disc and I am looking forward to see how the production runs turn out as this disc is pending PDGA approval upon the required 1500+ discs being available.

I guess the dimples help agitate the air flow, thereby increasing its speed?



I think the theory is not golf-ball dimple, but speed variable thumb-trak. Holgate posted that here a while ago. Interesting theory. It will be cool if works in the real world like it does on paper.

Can anyone recall the last time a mfg. put out a Dimpled Driver? I wonder how this one will compare?

10 yrs. or so ago I owned a dimple driver. I'm not sure who put it out but was not PDGA approved. It had Bart Simpson-like stamp and was not flexable at all! It didn't throw well! I'm not sure what happened to it. Wish I still had it. It's a collector item!

Dynamic Disc's put out those dimple disc's. I never threw mine, super hard plastic. I thought they were PDGA approved though. $15 - $20 on eBay.

10 yrs. or so ago I owned a dimple driver. I'm not sure who put it out but was not PDGA approved. It had Bart Simpson-like stamp and was not flexable at all! It didn't throw well! I'm not sure what happened to it. Wish I still had it. It's a collector item!



I will have one on ebay in the next week or two

What's with these new Ching Discs that are supposed to be out this summer?

dimpled like a golf ball.

I guess the dimples help agitate the air flow, thereby increasing its speed?

Ching site... http://www.chingdiscgolf.com/ching.htm



They are not dimpled...there are 2 threads on this already

In flight, it looks like an extreme version of the X-Clone, which was a revolutionary disc. Its ovbious that disc manufactuers are hitting the wall in driver design. Rims can't get much wider. Maybe Ching has the right idea in bringing out this old concept.

It always seemed to me that the reason DX plastic flies farther than the premium plastic was due to the more the porous nature of DX plastic stirring up the air. That is the reason golf balls aren't smooth.

"I guess the dimples help agitate the air flow, thereby increasing its speed"

yes, that's what i was trying to imply with the original post as i've quoted.

I think Kirk Douglas has the most famous dimpled chin, with maybe Robert Mitchum as a close second.

"I guess the dimples help agitate the air flow, thereby increasing its speed"

yes, that's what i was trying to imply with the original post as i've quoted.



Have you guys looked at the picture of the Ching disc? It's not dimples like that at all. It is an attempt at a variable speed-determined thumb-trac effect.

Its ovbious that disc manufactuers are hitting the wall in driver design. Rims can't get much wider.



What wall. They just started climbing the hill! and on rims width, maybe a olympic style discus is next!

the dimples look to be too far from the rim to place your thumb in it. but you've thrown one, so you'd know.

The dimples are not there to aid in the flight of the disc.
They are a thumb grip, nothing more. The thumb grips come at different settings from the rim depending on where you place yours. Settings are at 10, 15, 20 and 25.

Disc flight on the prototypes I got early last year are understable on the driver and the MOJO P&A is stable. I really like the feel of the MOJO. Softer plastic similar to a soft Rhyno.

Rick, you appear to be uninformed on several key points:


They are a thumb grip, nothing more...

Applying established principles and theory, that contradicts more than a few notable beliefs such as Bernoulli, Coanda, Potts, Headrick, Dunipace, and more. Maybe Black knows something different?




Settings are at 10, 15, 20 and 25...

Funny, I never produced a disc like that. Final versions feature contour locations in mm from the edge of the rim to the deep edge of the contours ranging from approximately 12, 18, 26, 34, and 36 in an offset open end 'C' pattern with a skip in the layout closest to the disc edge.




Disc flight on the prototypes..

There have been many prototypes in the last 3 years. Ask Zeb about the 150gm super-overstable driver samples.. or better yet- just ask me next time.

The prototypes I have from YOU have thumb grips. When YOU dropped them off that's what YOU stated they were.

And the #'s molded into the plastic are 15, 20, 25, lost the one that had a 10. I'd be more than happy to show you these protos or maybe you forgot about them.

And the proto drivers YOU gave us were understable, mind you we've got these a little over a year ago, maybe there is a newer version that is more stable.

I really like the feel of the MOJO.



I have never, nor will I ever, touch you in that way Rick...stop spouting these rumors.

Rick- the only text inside prototype contours that has ever been produced is 15 and 30 in an alternating pattern of 5 contours each. Your interpretation of reality regarding my affairs is traditionally skewed- as when you claimed the CHING printing process is performed at a higher temperature than hotstamping.

As I said before- if you want the facts, just ask me. If your memory needs a booster, the very few words we have actually exchanged were somewhat indirect and only referenced your stolen vehicle prior to the change of ownership at DL. I have always maintained the same patent pending information describing ergonomic AND aerodynamic benefits. (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Equipment&Number=180791&Searchp age=0&Main=179020&Search=true&#Post180618)

I don't dispute that you have received understable prototypes, but that certainly does'nt reflect the sum of our efforts..and it should be noted that they were released for collectibility to raise funds for the Charlotte area- not for your personal stash or testing experience.

Dangit. That was a wasted post. One more and I'm a disc dropper.

Fusion Mojo, are they made in the same Discraft-plastic as DGA�s new Tsunami, Reef and Titanic ???

mf- I haven't seen DGA's plastic, but I doubt they are the same. 'Fusion' has been used by CHING for several years to describe a quality grippier blend than DX when our plastic was produced by Innova. Now from a completely different source, I suppose it's technically 'Fusion II'.

DGA's 'Fusion' reference to their material was put out by mistake and they have been good sports about correcting their marketing...I don't know what they are calling it now.

"Con-Fusion" maybe? :D
Sorry bad joke....

When are you planning on releasing the putter and driver?

mf- The Fusion Mojo model will be available as early as August 1st.

Drivers are planned for release later in the year.

Rick- I apologize for my stupidity. I should know better. There were a handful of 10/25's produced..same alternating pattern of 5 contours.. but there have never been 20's as you described. Text and texture rings within the contours have been removed in current models.

The plastic feels like the old pro plastic(pro rhyno, pro whippit...etc). I haven't had a chance to go play a casual round with it yet so I don't know how it flies.

The only thing that I dont' like(and a couple others don't like that felt it) is bottom of the disc is contoured too.

It will definately take some time getting used to.

"Con-Fusion" maybe? :D
Sorry bad joke....



lol! :D

The cheat is not dead. I'm so glad the cheat is not dead.



Just the claps...Just the claps...

I don't think they're hitting a wall at all. I've got a bunch of disc design ideas that I've never seen that somebody will
most likely also think of eventually.
I'd try to make them myself, but I haven't a clue how to 'make' a disc.

Holgate,
I read somewhere about a putter also I think, was it just my imagination or.... :confused:? I�ve use to putt with the Fusion Tank some time ago but you don�t get them anymore except on ebay where the prices have escalated.

Do you have any "live" pixs of the Mojo?

Do you set a name for the driver?

Looking forward to get hold of some your discs this summer!! :p

The putter is called the Fusion JuJu now, apparently due to some legal issues with Innova.

However, you can buy them online right now for 10 bucks plus shipping.


http://www.discsunlimited.net/disc_golf_ching.html

I already ordered a couple from Sunking Discs, for the same prize. Thanks anyway!

Just listening to Dream Theather !

Holgate,
what is this Supreme Juju? Same disc with another plastic? The specs differs from the Fusion Jjuju a bit.

I�ve recieved and tried the Fusion Juju and I like the disc a lot, I�m using it as a putter :)

Holgate,
do you have any release date on the Supreme Juju ?