I recently played in 2 C-tiers this weekend in Houston. The first one was a singles event held on Saturday at Agnes Moffit park. It was also supposed to be a fundraiser for the texas states. There was 12 players total in all divisions. The second was on Sunday at Jack Brooks park. It was doubles and again supposed to be fundraiser for texas states. There were 14 participants total in all divisions.
I heard one of the memebers of the HFDS talking before Sat. singles and he said they are up to 850 in members. Why does a town with all theses courses and members have such little support? Is this a sign of things to come? Is the texas states field going to be as small? Just wanted to get this out there.

Were the events well publicized? Were the entry fees appropriate? Were there other conflicting tournaments? How was the weather forecast?

And did you know there is a Houston Flying Disc Society message board (http://www.hfds.org/cgi/discus/discus.cgi) where this question might be addressed better?

yes the tournaments was on the pdga tour webpage. The weather for the weekend was fine. There was no other sanctioned tournaments in the state. I am not from Houston and dont want to use there website. I am a paid PDGA member and feel this needs to be discussed.

Gary, you really are jumping the gun a bit, not knowing the whole story....

Saturdays event, had almost ZERO PUBLICITY.

Unfortunately, that is a growing problem with Kimhak's events...

Great guy, just has ZERO CLUE about publicity.....


As for the Sunday Doubles, I only heard about it last week, at the Moonlight Melee. And there was an event in Beaumont that several Houston people went to...

As far as I know, they didnt get the word out very well either...

Again, great guys......(I assume Jake and Lee spearheaded it)



I agree it totally sucks they didnt get a bigger draw, but please get all the facts before going out, and posting something like an [*****].....


Why dont you come to States, and see for yourself if its going to be the joke you allude to....

first of all i did have the facts straight i was there. it has been posted on the pdga website for 2 months now. Dont players in houston check any other board but the hfds? Maybe if they did they would have known there was an event.

How many people check the schedule, versus the message board?

THAT is how you get the word out....

I agree that it is bad, but my reasons are still the main culprit...

And we have like 30+ fundraisers for States, so it wont suffer due to 2 events that didnt get any players....

Nothing personal, but you stepped a little far IMO....

:(

Cong,

Gary is Military and speaks his mind. :eek:

You may not like it, but that is how he sees it. Obviously he was disappointed in the turnout and was vocal. I see no problem in that. :D, After all he did travel from out of town for the events that had a less than desirable attendance from the HFDS and those numbers sound anemic.

Sounds like its time to get on the HFDS board and let them have an eyefull :D, regarding the attendance. IMHO

BTW, it was good to see you at COTO this year.

Ray :cool:

I understand the frustration here but only part of the facts have been given here. There are multiple reasons why these events had low attendence and IMO saying it was a lack of support from the Houston players is laying the blame in the wrong place.

First of all there was little to no publicity. Yes it was on the PDGA schedule and there was a flyer at Moffit but that was it. No tourney info was available ( prices, times etc..) until a couple of weeks ago.

I am sure alot of people are also scared away from Kim's events becasue of the untimely manner in which the tourney last year was counted in the PDGA points/ratings ( over 6 months before points were awarded and no telling if the ratings were even used after that). Couple those reasons with the fact that his events paid back 75% of entry fees last year, and there's your reason for low attendence.

The Doubles at Brooks was pubbed even worse. The first that anyone I know of even heard of this event was last weekend. Event info was not posted for the doubles until Thursday.

I like Kim and I am not trying to bash him or anything, I am sure he had reasons as to why he couldnt get the info out. But the bottom line is that the blame goes directly to Kim and has nothing to do with HFDS or Houston players in general.

BTW...I am not a Houstonian or an HFDS member. I am just a neighbor 90 miles east that knows how supportive they are to disc golf and felt the need to get some more of the facts out there.

Let me third this observation and add to it. Like Austin, there is a large playing populace in the Houston area that does not spend a lot of time on either the PDGA page or the HFDS page. They are strong supporters of the local sceen but unless they get some real notice they won't come out because they don't know. I don't play league myself, but a couple of weeks ago I stopped by Moffitt League and there were at least 50 people out (I thought more but did not actually count). That kind of participation is not consistent with a lack of caring.

Furthermore, the history of Texas States has shown that the local sceen does care. This tournament is well attended, very well run, and very well funded. Finally, other local tounaments (see the GCWCS run by Gimp) that are well publicised do extremely well.

As an aside, there is an obvious message here about how TDs perform. TDs like Gimp, and Larry Kruse (Texas States TD) who work hard at publicizing their tournaments are rewarded and throw high quality events. Select events you wish to attend by the time the TD puts in.

Boy, I hate to see that title of this thread Gary. Houston gives TONS of support to sanctioned events in and around town. For one reason or 30 others, in this case, no one knew about the events.

Most Houston tournament players get their information from local email list serves, and the pdga, hfds and golden triangle message boards. In this case, there was never ANY official information put out by the TD.

No publicity =�s no participation�

As an aside, there is an obvious message here about how TDs perform. TDs like Gimp, and Larry Kruse (Texas States TD) who work hard at publicizing their tournaments are rewarded and throw high quality events. Select events you wish to attend by the time the TD puts in.



There is a very wise and important message in those statements. There are many people and clubs wanting to run events. Over time, players are going to make their choices on which of the many events on the schedule to attend, based on the amount of work put in by people like the two mentioned above and others who run tournaments.

Well stated, thanks.

It was a shame that it was the Moffitt Ratt Invitational and there wasn't a single "ratt" playing in the tournament. Kim does league payout so I'm pretty sure a few of the 65+ league players heard about it.

So from the responses to this thread. Is it the person running the events. Is that why turn out was poor? I am from out of town and saw the sanctioned events on the pdga site. Seeing how there was know other sanctioned events i thought it would be a good field. I guess i will have to enquire about td's before traveling over 200 miles to play a tournament. I have heard good things about Gimp and his tournaments.

Look at the GCCS fields James. Not many Moffitt Rats in those events (60+ players each) including the Moffitt stop. Many Moffitt rats do not play in tournaments, yet Moffitt was the only place the tournament had any information posted before 3 days out.

Gary... Yes, the pdga schedule had the event listed for about a month, but phone calls were not returned or answered (I know, because people called me to see if I knew the details). Show me one successful event where the only publicity was on the pdga schedule. Also, nothing was in the hfds newsletter or on the hfds email list. The players are not at fault, and casting stones at the Moffitt Rats is rather pointless as well lol :)

I hear through the grapevine that more publicity will be coming by way of a hot shot message board poster for the next Kim event :) Hopefully it will help a ton.

Kent Bray asked that I post this for him.
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The Houston Flying Disc Society donates $1500-$2000 per year in sponsorship to Texas tournaments. David Tayloe runs a tournament called the Moffitt Show every year specifically to raise money for this sponsorship. The HFDS also raises $5000.00 + each year for charity. The Texas State Disc Golf Championships fills three courses every year (approx 216 players). Texas State DGC is also a huge supporter of women players. TSDGC has a great payout and treats its players very well. TSDGC has been fortunate enough to have had people who care enough to run tournaments throughout the year specifically to raise money for the tournament since 1997. Our spring league @ Agnes Moffitt had 80 players. Hardly "no support".

No you didn't have all the facts. You based your opinion on one tournament. Yes "HOUSTONONIANS SHOW NO SUPPORT" is excessive and makes it sound like Houston is unsupportive of the disc golf communuty, when in fact, it's one of the strongest supporters of its Texas brothers and sisters in the state.

Gary, I've known you since '97. I've hung out with you and your family at a few tournaments and I consider you a friend of mine. That said, It surprises me that you would throw out such a bold and harsh statement with such little basis.

I am a relatively new disc player and have been trying to get involved with tournaments etc...(just figuring things out as I go along...) I was interested in playing last weekend, but I misunderstood the posting on the HFDS website...I thought it was a "bring your partner" doubles tournament...maybe was mixed up with the Jack Brooks tournament on same day...

I would have to confess that I find the publicity for the tournaments a bit sparse (I have been following the HFDS website for a couple weeks...and just found this site!! Maybe would be good to have individual tournaments site on webpage instead of burying the info on the message board...would be glad to help out if needed....

Thanks... :cool:

Thanks for offering to help! The HFDS web site has been slow recently because the volunteer web administrator has been out of town and had some other issues. Hopefully that will change now that he is back in town. There was a newsletter that came out that had all sorts of information recently. Send in your $20 - or is it $15 and get on the list! Hope to see you on the course!

Shoot me your email address and I’ll put you on the team disaster tournament mailing list too. :)

Gimp@teamdisasterdiscgolf.com

Mr. Collier,

I am writing to defend Houston Disc Golf Players.
Do you homework; get you facts straight; and figure out what you are
really complaining about BEFORE you flame the whole Houston area.


I heard one of the memebers of the HFDS talking before Sat.
singles and he said they are up to 850 in members.



This was listed on the HFDS message board: (the one you don't read)

"Membership Report: Actives up to 198. Still hovering around 200"

Maybe HFDS has given out member tag #850 but there are clearly not
that many active members. Besides, you could not have known that
number BEFORE you planned your trip so why are you mad about that?
You get mad, go home, and think up things to blame Houston players
for?. If you are going to drive that far for a tournament, you should
find out as much as possible before you go. Try checking the past
results of Houston area PDGA tournaments to see how big
the fields are.

BTW with such a small field, competition must have been pretty light.
Did you clean up?

-Richard

Try these sites:

Houston Flying Disc Society (http://www.hfds.org)

Team Disaster (http://www.teamdisasterdiscgolf.com)

Disc Golf Houston (http://www.dghou.com)

Tuna Can Jones (http://http://www.eteamz.com/tcjdgl/)

golf here in kentucky really doesn't compare to golf in houston...
-about the no support thing... i think that is manure also.. -------check out the leagues in ky... poor..
if you'd like to see support go to moffitt on a thursday league night.. the league night is bigger than most c tier tourneys in ky.. i have lived in houston and know of the support... and i live here and know the support? no comparision...
imho i would rather live in houston than anywhere here in ky for disc golf....

Actually golf up there does get alot more turnout. I have played in c-tiers up there that have gotten more than the B-tiers i have played down here. Again i keep hearing about leagues here and leagues there that draw 80 people. If all these people can play on a thursday night league at moffit why cant they play a one day c-tier 2 days later that supports the texas states. If there is so much support then show it.



golf here in kentucky really doesn't compare to golf in houston...
-about the no support thing... i think that is manure also.. -------check out the leagues in ky... poor..
if you'd like to see support go to moffitt on a thursday league night.. the league night is bigger than most c tier tourneys in ky.. i have lived in houston and know of the support... and i live here and know the support? no comparision...
imho i would rather live in houston than anywhere here in ky for disc golf....

Gary,

The reason is twofold....
1. The TD is famous for his inability to promote. From what I can tell nothing was done to promote these events by the TD beside a flyer that may or may not have been put up at Moffitt.
2. The league players are for the most part not tourney players. Houston (esp. Moffitt) has a bunch of players that for whatever reason don't play tourneys (States is the exception).

Calm down and let it go. This one ain't worth fighting. We don't take criticism too well (ask Jeff L).

Issue #1 has been dealt with for his next event (August 14-15, for those of you not going to Worlds). ;)
Issue #2, however, will never change.

Calm down and let it go. This one ain't worth fighting. We don't take criticism too well (ask Jeff L).




He's right about that! :D

Although I think that the subject is a little off-target there (or at least makes some inaccurate assumptions) I think that Gary is right to question what happened.

I think that several other posters have already provided the answers that you seek Gary, but they aren't because Houston DGers don't show support.

Publicity and marketing are very crucial to the success of an event - whether it's an A-tier, B-tier or simply league attendence. It is very key to give players advanced notice. If you do, then they will plan for it accordingly and usually attend.

There was absolutely zilch given to me to publish on the HFDS (or PDGA) websites prior to the last 2 events here. I try to be pretty good about getting at least something up on our local site about upcoming events though I have been hampered lately because of the lack of broadband Internet access.

As a couple of previous posters have alluded to, there were problems associated with 3 of the events run last year by this TD. Points and ratings were probably not included in any of last year's updates, though I do believe that the TD did square things away with the PDGA on (or about) December 15th. If true, then points were probably accumulated for the Worlds invitations.

Many players were angry about the fact that they had paid good money to play in a sanctioned (B-tier) event and then results were never submitted properly. This probably was a contributing factor to the low attendance, but not as big of a factor as the lack of publicity and promotion.

The TD is an unbelievably fantastic supporter of Texas States however. Last year he raised over $1,400 in cash for States and was our second or third largest sponsor! Most all of the locals know him and like him, but those same people would also recognize that communication isn't his forte.

I'm really sorry that last weekend's experience left an unfavorable impression on you that Houstonians don't support DG. I think that we have a pretty good reputation of supporting DG not only in Houston and its surrounding areas, but also in our support of many other tournaments across the state. These days, many of the most active DG organizers of Houston are active on the national level with Nez and Andi working hard for the PDGA. Andi is still pretty active in the local scene as well as with States, but she says that she's feeling more pressed for time to devote to the local scene.

I'd strongly encourage you to attend one of the GCCS events or States in October to get a more representative perspective of the Houston DG levels of support. (Or come out and play in the Thursday night Moffitt League! 80 players last league, 65 after the first week of this one! We have a $500 Ace Pot up for grabs right now and a second one nearing the $500 mark!)

Wow, I think the title of this thread was over the top, and Gary's questions have been answered because there is something wrong with a TD not publicizing his events. However, deleting Gary's profile and all his posts on this thread is pretty harsh.

How in he heck did that happen????

I never belittled any one person. I never used profanity or called anybody anything. It was just a topic that i thought needed discussed. I have gotten my answers and came to the conclusion it was a praticular TD. To delete my profile is going alittle to far. What is this discussion board coming 2.

It had to have been the discussion board administrator.

gezzzz I don't get that at all. I thought it was a pretty good discussion of what happened, not a flame fest or anything... If someone complained about the thread title or something (no one that I know of did?), it seems that the title could have been changed...

Just goes to show you, you better not mess with Houston. :)

They're connected. :D


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You know what's really funny? This won't show up in the forum either. The only way it can be viewed is if its on the front page.



This is too funny for words. Someone got a little ticked and pulled rank.


Hmmm, I wonder...

Don't believe me? Wait until it falls off the front page again and then look at the Other PDGA Topics Forum. It won't show up.

Someone's being just a little bit silly. But since its not me, its pretty dam funny.

Don't even have to wait until its off the front page. Look at the forum right now and you'll see its not there.

Too funny.

One of those times where you wish you knew the real story...

There is a thread on the HFDS page if anyone wants to talk about this...

No way, Gimp, its much more fun to speculate. :)


Let's see, gratuitous use of BOD power?

Great Texas Conspiracy?

Golfer on the Grassy Knoll?

The Ghost of The Wilmont?


:D:D:D:D:D

Board monitor that did not think it was appropriate to slam a good club, especially when it is unfounded???

Hacker who thought it would be funny to take the thread out???

Several complaints from HFDS members????

Complaint from the PDGA member in question (Kim P.)???

Board glitch in general???

Don't worry Gimp, I'll keep it on the front page until someone either explains what went wrong or deletes the thread entirely.

There have been WAAAAAAAYYYYYY worse things that were actually hurtful and damaging posted on here that were never deleted, hidden or got their authors deleted.

Of course, they didn't have the kind of muscle that Houston does either.

Wonder what my Houston golfer friends think about this seemingly odd and over the top reaction to a justified, albeit controversial discussion?

The Ghost of The Wilmont? ROFLMAO!!

Okay guys, its still being hidden on the forum list and still no explanation of this silly reaction.

You guys know I'm not gonna stop posting about this ridiculous situation until someone explains it or fixes it...so?

there is no explanation. Theo wont even return my msgs. I guess you can only talk about certain topics on this board. Only if the board monitor likes it. Obviously the pdga is not a democracy.

Okay, as I see it, here's what we have.

A sanctioned tournament was run by a notoriously non-promoting TD. This was a large part of a very low turnout.

A guy from out of town saw it listed on the list of sanctioned events. Assuming that being sanctioned it would have a decent turnout, he made a long drive, only to be disappointed.

Upset, he started a thread to complain about the low turnout. Unfortunately, he titled the thread in such a way that it upset a large group of supportive golfers.

These golfers, and others, came on the board and explained the situation, answer his questions, correcting his inaccurate assumptions and generally explaining the situation.

This is where it gets weird.

The above things in and of themselves are no big deal and stuff like that happens on the board virtually everyday. And, as usual, it resolved itself.

Now, the original posters profile has been deleted, his posts have been deleted, he hasn't been told he was banned and the thread itself doesn't even show up under the forum in which it resides.

Does this type of ridiculous response scare anyone else? Does anyone else find this to be a bit over the top? Does anyone else want to se an explanation of why this was done, who did it and who made the call?

I do.

Oh, and by the way, I love everyone in Houston, all the board adminstrators and every member of the PDGA. In fact I love everybody.


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Preach on Rev! I think we are all thinking the same thing.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

What did you expect? You've seen the bumper stickers:

"Don't Mess With Texas!"

Next we are going to implement a rule that says you have to say something nice about Houston on every post or else! :D

BTW - I'm betting this is some glitch. If it weren't I would have been banned months ago. After all, the site was just down.

A glitch that removed only Gary's username, posts and the one contreversial thread currently active...Kind of a stretch don't you think.....lol

Thanks for your support Fuzzy. :)

Lyle, a glitch that only affected one poster, his controversial posts and one thread?

Yeah, you're probably right, it must've been a glitch. Hey, have you seen this 1st run CE Valkyrie I have with the Hill Country Flyers stamp? Its really rare, wanna buy it?

"you can always tell a Texan.................. but not much!" :o

Dude, WTF! waiting on esplanation! why the coverup?

I like the new rule - I'll start...

Houston Rocks! :D

Houston and the surrounding areas rock!!! :cool:

Yes,yes, Houston is the greatest city and collection of disc golfers ever!


(Please don't punish me for my insolence, Oh Great Defenders of the City of Humidity.)

Seriously, since this is hidden in the forum's thread listing, I can't see how many views the thread is currently getting. I am betting however, that its way too many at this point to just delete it without some kind of an explanation.

Checked this thread out to see why it wasn't showing up properly...geez. From Mark's summary of events, this seems harsh.

To ban a guy for going a bit over the top in frustration (his only offense ever I'm assuming) is dumb. And in my mind it is made even worse that a first time burst like this warrants complete deletion of account, but a guy like assclown is still lurking around and posting drivel.

Where's the balance?

--Josh

Seems to me, assclown isn't important enough or hasn't ****** off the wrong people yet.

Gary did.

BTW, I sent a PM to Theo an hour or more ago (which to be fair he may not have seen yet), asking that he come on and explain this. Its my opinion that if there's nothing sinister going on, then he should let everyone know, before this gets ugly. I haven't heard back.

This whole thing certainly casts the "appearance" of impropriety on either the administrators, a BOD member, or both. If there's nothing to it, someone should probably say something by way of explanation and soon.

I am currently on the edge of my seat waiting for the explanation. Perhaps the FCC had something to do with this…..? :p

Discalot, you forgot to say how much you love Houston! Shame on you, you bad man.

Toronto sends it’s love to the Houston area disc golfers!!!

They are the Greatest!!!

(how's that Mark?)

May i play? I really would like to. Is it going to be ankle deep with floating ant colonies? I hope so, it's my favorite kind of condition. I hope my wife, and my son let me play.(Gosh, i've never had to say that before :D)

Long live HOUSTON!

What are the dates again? Isn't it earlier this year?

Nice, and oh so sincere. That should keep the witch hunters at bay


<font size=+2>Burn The Witch!</font>

^^^^ Loser ^^^^ :D

<<<< wrong thread

vvvv You may continue vvvvv

The worst irony?

Gary is a proud and active member of the US Army.

You know? The guys fighting to defend, amongst other things, our right to freedom of speech?

As a writer, former Army buddy (Gary and I went through AIT together at Ft. Sam Houston back in 1992), and vociferous advocate of the First Amendement, I find the BOD's actions deplorable and cowardly.

And as a former Houstonian who learned to play disc golf at Moffitt (and have logged hundreds-if not thousands-of rounds at Moffitt...Gary's criticism was a bit misdirected, but not unwarranted. The Moffitt Ratts are a very supportive community of disc golfers...just by-and-large not of the PDGA and sanctioned events.

We're not asking for an explanation...we're demanding it.

Well Rooster, I don't think you'll get one now.

Gary's username, posts and the listing of this thread under the forum have all been restored.

I'm guessing that just restoring it and shutting us up was less embarrassing than explaining who's idea it was and why it was done that way.

Let that be a lesson to whoever thought this would be a good idea. It ain't.

You're right Mark...the explanation will never be forthcoming. Which is too bad and very sad.

But I would like to take credit (with a tip-of-the-hat to Mr. Atwood, of course) though, as my last post does seem to be the impetus for the PDGA 'mysteriously', albeit silently, righting their transgression.

Okay, so when is states? :D

Speaking of Moffit, how did Heat's Melee go?

Texas States is one month later this year Mr. Hero... Oct. 23-24

Now back to your regularly scheduled programing........

Nice, and oh so sincere. That should keep the witch hunters at bay


<font size=+2>Burn The Witch!</font>


BEDEVERE: What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1: Bread!
VILLAGER #2: Apples!
VILLAGER #3: Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1: Cider!
VILLAGER #2: Uh, gra-- gravy!
VILLAGER #1: Cherries!
VILLAGER #2: Mud!
VILLAGER #3: Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2: Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR: A duck!
CROWD: Oooh.
BEDEVERE: Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1: If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE: And therefore?
VILLAGER #2: A witch!
VILLAGER #1: A witch!

You're right Rooster, I'm sure it was your post.

BTW, have you seen my 1st run HCF stamped CE Valk? :)

Thanks Fuzzy.

Since it is later in the year, does that mean that the water will be deeper? I hope so.

Long live States!

LMAO!

BTW, have you seen my 1st run HCF stamped CE Valk? :)



No, but it's probably in the same place as my mint-condition Fly-dyed 2nd Run CE Valk that 'walked' out of my bag during COTO.

You laugh'n at me? ARE YOU laugh'n at me?

States had some bad luck with rain for sure... Why does VPO not get slammed for a mud bath what 3 of the last 5 years lol

I think AM weekend gets it worse than pro weekend there though. Maybe GOD hates AMS :o

I think AM weekend gets it worse than pro weekend there though. Maybe GOD hates AMS :o



God eats AMS like us for breakfast :p

Oh well, without an explanation, we can always have fun drawing our own conclusions.

I have already anyway. :)

The influence certain people have to police the message board, while it certainly needs policing from time to time, should be monitored very, very carefully.

I hope that person and/or persons takes a little common sense away from the resolution and resounding outcry of this ridiculous knee jerk reaction.

I can dream... :)

Mark Atwood and his delusions of grandeurs LMAO

LMAO!

Mark Atwood and his delusions of grandeurs LMAO



Its "grandeur" not plural, silly Houstonian. And what the heck was that for? The deleting of all this stuff was crap, and I called someone on it. That's all. You know I'm right. ;)

56 posts since the last time I looked at this thread, and not one of them was on topic (at least not the topic of the title of the thread). Why is the thread still here ? :cool:

Oh Yeah, Houston's a great disc golf city.

I was not referring to your valiant fight against the oppressive PDGA... more so to this statement lol


I hope that person and/or persons takes a little common sense away from the resolution and resounding outcry of this ridiculous knee jerk reaction.

I can dream... :)

LMAO! :D

56 posts since the last time I looked at this thread, and not one of them was on topic (at least not the topic of the title of the thread).





Well......i guess it could be worse. I could start the "Salad" thing again. :D

As long as you don't imply that Houstonians don't support salad tossing, you should be fine. :)

anything but salads again.

nit�pick
intr.v. nit�picked, nit�pick�ing, nit�picks
To be concerned with or find fault with insignificant details due to having too much free time to surf message boards. To quibble, carp, cavil, pettifog or to �Atwood� the conversation.

Homer: ho-mer

To stick up for something or someone, even if it/they are wrong, based soley on your geographical closeness to the issue, or to "Gimp" a Houston related thread.


:D
Keep 'em coming, baby!

well i guess i have to say thanks to Rev, Gimp and everybody else that has asked for an explanation. I sent an email into the pdga earlier and here is the responsed from Conrad Damon. "We had some trouble this morning with the database where everything is stored. I'll check into it." Then at 2:03 pm his next msg was "I think i've restroed it give it a try." From all the responses that have come back on this thread. Houstonians do show support. Next time i will make sure Gimp is running the event. :cool: Or i will ask the colonel personally about the event.

Thanks for your support Fuzzy. :)

Lyle, a glitch that only affected one poster, his controversial posts and one thread?

Yeah, you're probably right, it must've been a glitch. Hey, have you seen this 1st run CE Valkyrie I have with the Hill Country Flyers stamp? Its really rare, wanna buy it?



No really, it was a glitch. The guy in the black helicopter told me so. :D

I have to admit it does seem very odd but I find it hard to believe that this guy would be banned for this. I've seen much worse � loser-clown and his cats for example - and even worse comments slamming other events. If someone in Houston is that powerful I want to know who and how I can go about kissing their backside.

BTW - that Hill Country Valk, it's one of a kind right? Can I have a dozen?

Insert token Houston cheer here...

If someone in Houston is that powerful I want to know who and how I can go about kissing their backside.



You can gladly have my spot on their buttocks region. I won't ever be using it.

As for the Valk, it is one of a kind, but for the right price, I can get ya a dozen. :)

Yeah Houston! The greatest Disc Golf City in the Free World! :D

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Good one Mark lol...

Perhaps my theory of a hack to the system is true if we believe the "glitch" theory proposed by the PDGA :eek:

Riiiiiiiiight.

<font size=1>I wonder how long it will be before the lynch mob, attired in old rotting Colt .45 and Oilers uniforms shows up in Burnet and burns a large Innova logo in my yard</font>



They left this afternoon at 4. I suggest you evacuate within the hour.

Houston, better than average disc golf supporters.... ;)

Houston Disc Golf MUDS!!! errr I mean ROCKS! errr...maybe it is mostly mud though, right John? :D :D :D

Databases sometimes cough up a few bits here and there and if this was the "hot" thread of the morning, then it is also the one most likely to get clobbered if the database decides to take a siesta. I can't imagine that any of this boards moderators would see it necessary to whack this discussion or Gary's ID. Most of us Houstonians weren't all that upset about it except for the thread title. :D

Heck - Houstonians don't have any extra pull around here...most of us aren't even particularly "liked" by other locals! :D:D:D

I'm not sure if anyone's noticed, but we've been having database server glitches. The board and the dynamic parts of pdga.com (scores, stats, etc.) have been unvailable at times. I haven't completed my research yet, but consider that may be part of the problem.

Theo Pozzy
PDGA Commissioner
PDGA.com Webmaster

I will go with Theo on this one...I have said much worse about a Houston event and not gotten removed :o

Well I guess we know where we stand. How interesting it's been to monitor this thread. Thanks for all the supportive feedback, defending of the First Amendment and response from the big house to quell the crowd. Man we rank! Long live Houston disc golf and long live disc golf at Agnes Moffitt Park, and long live the Moffitt Rats who support disc golf at Agnes Moffitt Park! You know who you are and what we've just been through to prove how supportive we are. Just ask. We have the dg support story of the year. Yea, Kimhak is one of our own and I'm sure he'll gain something from this experience, but you can't ever accuse Houston disc golfers of not being supportive of disc golf. Just ask us. On the local scene we have just experienced the most demonstrative outpouring of support for our sport ever. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Houston disc golf, ROCKS!! Go Moffitt Rats!!

Pack it in and pack your trash out of the park, Thanks....

I can't believe it,

I was half way to Burnet when I realized I didn't have my Innova template for burning logos into lawns, now I have to go all the way back to Houston to get it.

Thanks Mark!

Who was that posting all that nonsense under my username yesterday? Sounded like some paranoid schizophrenic.

Oh well, LONG LIVE HOUSTON!

The temporary disappearance of Gary's account was, more or less, random. On Tuesday morning, the database that drives the message board (as well as much of the PDGA website) started having problems. [Due to exceptionally heavy traffic, it ran out of connections.] You may have noticed that, for about a half hour starting around 10am PDT, the PDGA website was flailing.

When that happens, one of the database tables used by the message board sometimes locks up and seems to lose the record it was dealing with at the time. That's usually in the message board's User table, where accounts are stored. I'm guessing that Gary was active Tuesday morning and happened to be the unlucky account in play when the table froze.

Once a user's account is gone, so effectively are his posts, since the board needs to know who posted something in order to display it properly. So none of his posts were actually deleted, they just couldn't be read. Since he started the thread, that's why it didn't show up normally in the list of threads. I restored Gary's account from a database backup, and his posts and the thread showed up normally again.

No one in the PDGA (specifically, the folks that maintain the message board) did anything to Gary's account. The first we heard about it was when Gary notified us. It has happened to a few other accounts; the difference this time was that the controversial nature of the thread gave the appearance that the removal was deliberate.

Very few accounts have ever been banned, and it always follows an actual complaint and discussion by the board monitors.

I'm working on tuning the database so it's less likely that this will happen again. Thanks for your patience.

-Conrad

Sorry I missed all of the fun. Nobody is as skilled at making a total A of himself as Atwood. Yes, yes, I'm not without giles myself, but in comparison he is the Mount Everest and I am the highest peak in Kansas.

If I'm going to delete someone do you really think I'd run and hide afterward. Where's the fun in that? :DBesides with the ignore option now we can all engage in self-censorship! (Man I love that option! Whadya say Mark? What was that? Victor did you say something? Wha? Ha Ha Ha chuckle...)

Sorry I missed all of the fun. Nobody is as skilled at making a total A of himself as Atwood. Yes, yes, I'm not without giles myself, but in comparison he is the Mount Everest and I am the highest peak in Kansas.

If I'm going to delete someone do you really think I'd run and hide afterward. Where's the fun in that? :DBesides with the ignore option now we can all engage in self-censorship! (Man I love that option! Whadya say Mark? What was that? Victor did you say something? Wha? Ha Ha Ha chuckle...)



Nick, I never said you did anything. Why would you start now?

And don't be coy, I know you'd never use the ignore option on me. Where else would you get so much inspiration?

Well Rev it was a big coincidence. I guess it wasnt a big conspiracy.

Did you say something mark...

Did you say something mark...



:D

All you paranoid Texans should move to Montana. It's a whole lot cooler there, they love a good conspiracy theory, close enough to Idaho and Utah to play in some of our events, and maybe you could even get them to quit calling it FOLF. :D

States being moved back into October, should be a good thing, as October usually is much cooler, and drier.....

:cool:

States being moved back into October, should be a good thing, as October usually is much cooler, and drier.....

:cool:



Thanks for the Kiss of Death....

Guys,

Which month is cool and dry in Houston?






Gotcha, there isn't one :D

All you paranoid Texans should move to Montana. It's a whole lot cooler there, they love a good conspiracy theory, close enough to Idaho and Utah to play in some of our events, and maybe you could even get them to quit calling it FOLF. :D



Moving to Montana soon, gonna be a dental floss tycoon.

States being moved back into October, should be a good thing, as October usually is much cooler, and drier.....

:cool:



Yeah, ask the folks who run the State Fair. It never rains in October.

The weather WASN'T the reason why we moved the States on the schedule.

The reason why we moved it was because we raised a bunch of cash (again) last year, and we had absolutely no touring Pros attend the tournament due to conflicts with other A-tiers and SuperTours going on in other far away regions.

The reason we moved it was to get it close to other major tourneys regionally. Veterans Park Open (Pro) and Oklahoma have A-tiers on succeeding weekends. By front-ending those events, we're hoping to create a nice reason for a major swing through Texas immediately following USDGC.

We took a look at the historical weather conditions, and although October is only marginally better (statistically speaking) than September is, we also figured that it would be hard to pick a weekend that could be worse (statistically speaking) than what we've had at States over the past several years. I've been at the last 4 States, and we've only had one year of decent weather for both days. Two years ago, we actually had to call a stop to play twice during the course of the tournament until the lightning passed through!!! The only other time I've seen play halted at a DG tourney was the first round of play on the Snowbowl course at Pro Worlds last year...they had lightning AND hail!!! :D:D At least we've only had lightning! :D

Who knows? If States enjoys good weather this year, then I might actually try to slink back into playing in it again! :DWe've just gotta keep Maiuro from doing his rain-dance all summer long! Rumor has it that he plays well in "swamp golf" conditions! :D

Swamp Golf ?

It was more like pond golf! :D

You know the old saying, "Easier to apologize later than it is to ask permission first"?

Well, in this case it was easier (for me) to jump to the defense of a perceived injustice than it was to sit around waiting for an explanation.

So, thanks for the explanation Conrad. And my apologies for calling the PDGA group 'cowardly and deplorable' (although, I will always hold that any type of censorship is just that).

I'll go slink back under my rock now (but you know I'll be back).

You know the old saying, "Easier to apologize later than it is to ask permission first"?

Well, in this case it was easier (for me) to jump to the defense of a perceived injustice than it was to sit around waiting for an explanation.

So, thanks for the explanation Conrad. And my apologies for calling the PDGA group 'cowardly and deplobable' (although, I will always hold that any type of censorship is just that).

I'll go slink back under my rock now (but you know I'll be back).



Wuss. :D

Mark just carries his rock around with him... :D

I throw a Wasp, not a rock.

You guys obvioulsy didn't play in the '94 Circular Skies over Houston. This was before the Wilmont course was designed. It started to rain on Thursday and it was a tropical rain. It finally stopped late Friday night or early Saturday morn.

That was lake golf. 4th round Sunday was the closest thing to ground we saw all weekend. More like sogg instead of ground. Played the first round with a pro and it was the first time I outdrove a pro, cuz he almost fell on his face teeing. He played the whole round with this brand new Innova disc called the Raven.

JP, wish you'd let the plants alone for a bit and throw some plastic around the course for old times sake and you to Becky. :cool:

I throw a Wasp, not a rock.



A wasp must be tough to crawl back under...

So the question remains, is GCollier still considering playing states? I certainly hope so, Texas States is the biggest tournament I've ever played in, you have nothing to worry about as far as attendance goes. I played in '02, although the weather sucked there was still a TON of people, and I met some great golfers from all over the state, even if my scores sucked I still had a good time. :D

All I know is that 95% of the Moffitt Rats won't suppport anything except the league on Thursday's. This includes joining the HFDS or PDGA or going to the other leagues in town. Those golfers won't support the local club, but when there was a possibility of the course getting pulled they come running and wanting the clubs help. Also the info about the Moffitt Rat Inv. was posted at Moffitt, Macgregor,Bass,and Brooks. If you ask me I would have like them to pull moffitt which I believe is the worst 18 hole course in the area and they should use the baskets for scrap metal. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I am sure the BAGGER will be there

i will try to make it cware. I had a good little swing through texas the last couple of months. Now it is back to Kentucky. Hopefully I will be at FT. Hood for good in a couple of months.

hope all goes well and see you when you get back.

Gary that's the way it is in Houston get use to it, But they Love Tx. States :cool:

How Many Houston Players are coming to The Texas Ten in Gonzalez ,Or better yet How many are going to play the States fundraiser that is bieng held on the same day one hour away from gonzalez?

Billy, don't start. You're smarter and wiser than that.

Chappell Hill is also at least an hour closer to Houston than Gonzales.

I haven't read anything but the first and last post of this thread, but I will still comment. Imagine that. ;)

Gary, those Houstonians are all really cool people, but they are just wimps. Matt Hall scares them from playing. :p

I suspect Texas States will get a similar turnout to last year, but all turnouts seem to have dropped in the last few years.

Tony, Chappel Hill is in North Carolina. Gonzales is closer. :D

Actually, they're all scared of Vinnie. :)

Carolina you say? Is that why they have <font color="blue">blue</font> bonnets out there?

Ed was willing to chance the event against Gonzales. However, folks who wouldn't be playing Gonzales will be playing his event. I very seriously doubt anyone will be swayed from going to Gonzales by it. I'm not, and as part of the HFDS board, I gave the go-ahead for it.

Houston, and its disc golfers support tournaments everywhere!

There are those of us that enjoy road-trippin' all over the place and play in sanctioned tourneys all over the place. There was quite a sizeable contingency of Houston (and surrounding areas) players at Worlds. It was almost like being at any other event around town, only bigger! :D

Billy - you do realize that there are at least two HFDS officers coming to Gonzales, right? And while I can't speak for TB yet, I know that I'm supporting Gimp's TSDGC Fundraiser at Moffitt on Sunday too! There are a bunch of us folks that support tons of tourneys around the state though...

I'll see what we get when we start getting vocal on the HFDS msg board...but I feel a little guilty plugging for any event against Mr. Ed's fund-raiser too. He really wants to show his brother-in-laws place off to DGers as much as he wants the DGers to woo his brother with a drove of disc golfers that love his course. The photos of the island hole alone make it seem really tempting. (I think that there was an island basket and an island tee on it!)

Maybe part of the problem is that HFDS offers a lot of organized DG in Houston without going to many tournaments...we ARE running leagues on 5 different courses these days! Gimp runs a bevvy of tournaments too - most Houstonian golfers don't have to venture very far! :D

Now - I'm going to Gonzales Friday night, who else is up for it?

Well I'd to see what happens at States this year before dooming it to last years attendance level which was down some...

I have taken over as TD and I hope we can pull off a good show again this year. Why are there seemingly snide comments about Texas States?

why?...oh wow :o

Oh Texas States!! what has been changed this year compared to last? Changes should probably be made to entice the players!! I have personally never been , but have heard many negative opinions!! :confused:

Efrain and Mitch, I have no idea what the problems were, but I'm sure they were limited to ams since I never heard a peep from pros. Therefore, just play open and there will be no problem. :p

Anyways Efrain, you should play states. One time for sure to check it out for yourself. There are three courses and all of them are of high quality.

Why are there seemingly snide comments about Texas States?



Do you mean about "the State of Texas"? ;)

No, those simply demonstrate bad taste. :D

Negative opinions which have been, for whatever reason, kept from Houston. Yes, we heard about the payout from last year, and it has been addressed. As for the rest, are they real complaints or personal gripes against individuals?


Enticement?
States has a new, energized TD and staff bringing their "for all the players" attitude and ideas. Team Disaster is beginning their 4th year of running disc golf events and if you've ever attended one, you know that States will be a quality, well-run event. John wouldn't put himself on the line like this without knowing that he'll be able to do things his way.

I was definately not criticizing any aspect of this top notch tourney , merely relaying others impressions for which i have heard.I wish the utmost success of this and all tourneys and am confident in what gimp and crew will bring to this event!! Best of luck!! as always!! :D

Efrain, the comment was directed to those who have shared their opinions with you, but not the people who can address the issues.

Anyway, States this year will be great. 30 people, 100 people, 150 people.

I know !! And may texas states be the glorious tourney it should be!! :DHave you guys considered or are involved in something similar to what the Marshall street organizers are doing?? Seems like a great concept.

It will be. It always is....at least for the Open players as James was saying.

I really enjoy playing in the water. Some players don't, i do.

Splish, Splash, i was playing Tx States....long about a Saturday morn.... :D

I have to agree the rain tends to suck a bit. That's why Texas Teams is so popular. It never rains there.

We have already put in the order for no rain for States this year so we should be good. This year States will be good for Pros AND AMS. More details about the event will be out shortly. The logo contest information is up on the HFDS board. www.hfds.org (http://www.hfds.org)

Please send me an email (or post here if you must) negatives that you have heard that are not weather related so we can try to address them.

I am sure my list of issues will be corrected by Team Disaster...glad to see the event moving forward

You bunch of wusses!

What about the conspiracies? What about the weather? What about the payout? What about.........


....Oh, nevermind. I love Houston. :)

Seriously, I've only been fortunate enough to play States twice. The first time was marred for me by an arsehole and the second time was the worst weather conditions I've ever had to play in.

Even so, the staff was always top notch, the event was always smooth and professional, the courses are always among the most challenging we have to offer in Texas, and I've always come away, despite any incidents, enjoying my experience there.

It seems there was some weirdo posting under my name earlier in this thread. Not sure what that's all about ( :) ), but Texas States is not to be missed and Gimp will do an outstanding job.

Love to H-town

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=254539&page=15&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

here look through this!! :D

We already know about last year�s crappy AM payout. That won't be a problem this year. Boy that Doug Rodgers sure is a stand up guy. His work with me on keeping the Pecan park event alive this year was priceless ***insert rolling eyes icon here***

The only reason i posted that link is because i was looking for the coastal clash thread and noticed that thread and thought it might be helpful!! :D

No problem. I read back through it so I was happy you posted it. :D

John,

Will there be a keg of St. Arnolds like last year? Love that beer.

That one is still up in the air.

one more ?, why did this one get changed to a B-tier, this was the only A-tier in texas this year for Ams

For the same reason Waco was a B-tier this year I would guess. No body likes the $25 player�s pack.

The title of this thread has grown old with me. I will get some states info up soon so people can post there.

Player's packs mean nothing to this player. I look forward to this event every year! Thank you Houston for always running a classy event.....rain or shi........errrrrrrr.....light rain, or heavy rain!

For the same reason Waco was a B-tier this year I would guess.



B-tier for all divisions? :confused:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ?

A-tier for Pro.

B-tier for All Ams (including Advanced).

Thanks Bender!

OK people, who wants to question the temporary banning Gary Collier in the begining of this thread? I would love to hear some logical explanations from people that have some kind of computer experience. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The temporary disappearance of Gary's account was, more or less, random. On Tuesday morning, the database that drives the message board (as well as much of the PDGA website) started having problems. [Due to exceptionally heavy traffic, it ran out of connections.] You may have noticed that, for about a half hour starting around 10am PDT, the PDGA website was flailing.

When that happens, one of the database tables used by the message board sometimes locks up and seems to lose the record it was dealing with at the time. That's usually in the message board's User table, where accounts are stored. I'm guessing that Gary was active Tuesday morning and happened to be the unlucky account in play when the table froze.

Once a user's account is gone, so effectively are his posts, since the board needs to know who posted something in order to display it properly. So none of his posts were actually deleted, they just couldn't be read. Since he started the thread, that's why it didn't show up normally in the list of threads. I restored Gary's account from a database backup, and his posts and the thread showed up normally again.

No one in the PDGA (specifically, the folks that maintain the message board) did anything to Gary's account. The first we heard about it was when Gary notified us. It has happened to a few other accounts; the difference this time was that the controversial nature of the thread gave the appearance that the removal was deliberate.

Very few accounts have ever been banned, and it always follows an actual complaint and discussion by the board monitors.

I'm working on tuning the database so it's less likely that this will happen again. Thanks for your patience.

-Conrad



I am so ready to nick pick this apart!

#1 let this thread die

#2, I told you he was never banned.

I think you need to reread what you quoted. There are still several thread that have "lost accounts" in them.

OK, I will let it die if everyone else does. I just know the logistics behind the scene and KNOW this is not an appropriate response as to what happened. I was not posting when this happened but just wanted to post my opinion now. Now that I posted it, I will let it die.

Thank you and good night.

OK people, who wants to question the temporary banning Gary Collier in the begining of this thread? I would love to hear some logical explanations from people that have some kind of computer experience. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



I was on the phone talking to Gary earlier this evening (he was in his car on his way to Shreveport to play in a tournament {good luck Gary}...)

Gary and I go back a long way...we were in the same platoon during our Combat Medic training days at Ft. Sam Houston back in 1991. We're still pretty close friends and talk all the time.

When I asked him about being "banned" from the message board, he said, "What? I wasn't banned."

You see, Mike, if you actually knew Gary you could have asked him yourself. Instead, you decided to throw out another baseless accusation.

The logic you're seeking is based in the reality that you don't know what you're talking about.

And I didn't need to know a thing about 'puters to figure that out either.

FYI --- I do have considerable "computer experience", however ---

I'm currently writing system documentation (API developers guides, Install/Configuration Manuals, and system integration guides) for mobile air defense system integrators and their associated tactical data link processors.) Oh, and I have designed, coded, and still manage three separate database-driven dynamic Web sites (using MySQL and .PHP). So, I knew exactly what Conrad was talking about. And not only is it plausible, but it's quite common. Oh, and a BS and an MS in technical communications (more 'puter stuff). Did you really want to discuss "computer experience", or were you just being glib?

Seriously, dude, loosen up that tin-foil hat you're sporting --- blood flow to the brain, and all...

:o

LMAO!!!! :D

You tell'm sweetheart! :D

[QUOTE]

FYI --- I do have considerable "computer experience", however ---

...



From what you wrote, my seven year old knows more. Nice try dude, but as usual you come up short. :D:p

Wow, I like it. When I get slapped around like that I tend to crawl into a hole. Not Mikey, he throws his 7 year old at you. Better look out Rooster, you're in bad trouble now. :D

BTW - Mikey, you better not run for President, you're suffering from a credibility problem.

Don't expect there's anyone in this crowd who's skeered.

Dear Rooster,
Your ignorance is as fat as your head. Just cause a dissapearance takes place and their is an explanation given by the PDGA does not mean there was'nt foul play. Just because Gary and yourself believe their was not any foul play does not mean that is a reality. You see Cooper, I do know Gary and just because you feel I have made a baseless accusation it does not make it reality. It is quite interesting to see someone working on our "mobile air defense systems" would out themselves on a public message board. Is'nt that area supposed to be classified or something? I'd say you got a BS is something alright. Go back to binding :oI mean writing your Sys Docs.

Seriously dude, lighten up on the cholesterol, blood flow and all.

I would think someone with so much experience with PHP and MYSQL would have helped the PDGA fix their website from crashing every month. Oh thats write, have another peice of fried chicken ya Turkey! :p

http://joanongovernment.homestead.com/files/Donotf_1.jpg

:D

I cant wait until they ban discussion board use from non-members, it would stop a lot of very ignorant posts that have nothing to do with the title of the post.

Let me make sure I understand this correctly. Because Gary started this thread the PDGA banned him. The ban cooincided with the sql database getting corrupted and then was lifted about 48 hours later when Theo fixed the sql database. Makes sense to me.

Oh by the way, you should look up the definition of baseless accusation. It means making an accusation with no evidence whatsoever. Do you mind sharing the evidence you have? I mean I understand that the ED and BOD are aliens but I can see no reason why they would care about Gary's posting. It has absolutely no impact on the invasion. Unless, of course, they were planning on a pickup at Texas States and they thought his comments might drive down participation. Is that your concern?

If it is then what you're saying makes sense. After all they didn't make a pickup so that must mean that Gary's posting drove down participation and made it not worth their while. WOW! For those of us who played, thanks Gary, you saved us all from being a light snack.

Spareribs, MMMMMMMMMMMMMM


Dear Rooster,
Your ignorance is as fat as your head. Just cause a dissapearance takes place and their is an explanation given by the PDGA does not mean there was'nt foul play. Just because Gary and yourself believe their was not any foul play does not mean that is a reality. You see Cooper, I do know Gary and just because you feel I have made a baseless accusation it does not make it reality. It is quite interesting to see someone working on our "mobile air defense systems" would out themselves on a public message board. Is'nt that area supposed to be classified or something? I'd say you got a BS is something alright. Go back to binding :oI mean writing your Sys Docs.

Seriously dude, lighten up on the cholesterol, blood flow and all.

I would think someone with so much experience with PHP and MYSQL would have helped the PDGA fix their website from crashing every month. Oh thats write, have another peice of fried chicken ya Turkey! :p

It's just so sad that a few will taint things for everyone. THANK GOODNESS not everyone's like these mindless chunks of meat.

LOL

The only mindless chunks of meat I see are the ones following blindly, yes that would be you. :o

just remmeber you have to consider the soures and also that non-members are like Hobos they just want to ride the train for free. :o:D

Right Mike. I hate to let you in on a secret.........

I'm an Adkins kinda gal........I love to EAT MEAT!

I'D JUST CHEW YOU UP AND SPIT YOU OUT!

And as for blindly following anyone, after cruising through your mindless dribble, I wouldn't follow you anywhere. So, in closing...... who cares?

Like Pizza God stated and I agreed, let this thread die. Although someone obviously cares about drivel cause the thread just keeps growing mindlessly. :o

Speaking of riding things for free, hows that Int. class coming along? :o

Not bad at all but have only played three sanctioned events this year and two of them IMT :DCOTO 13 out of 36 and Victoria 5 out 26 :D

Not bad. Keep it up!

Mike, I look forward to meeting you in person. Really. I'm sure we could have a constructive and interesting discussion of our respective technical aptitudes and resumes (you do have a resume, right? It's what people with careers use to get a job, rather than filling out the application/place mat found on your tray at the local burger joint).

I'll be at nearly every sanctioned PDGA tournament in Texas for the remainder of the year. Please feel free to come up and introduce yourself. I'm an easy guy to find.

Live Oak is next on the list. Will you be there? No? Didn't think so. Because for all your gum-smacking, you don't support disc golf an iota except (allegedly) in your little kitty-box.

Until then, I'm done with you. You've been dismissed. Please consider yourself ignored (until such time that Terry realizes his error and permanently reinstates your ban).

That is a typical response from a person of your mentality. I know all, you work at a burger joint, I am ignoring you now. How about trying to help the crashing of this server? Don't want to tackle the monatonous Nick Kights DB tables? I would'nt either. Later.

Just have to throw this in, as I have not been reading this thread- however Mike posted a link to it in another thread, so I read these last two posts:

Although Robbie Cooper and I disagree on just about everything, I have to admit that he is a class act. Even if he disagrees with you, he will listen to what you have to say, and CONSIDER it. He probably won't change his mind, but he will at least put some thought into it before making up his own mind.
Thats all...

Josh, thanks for the kind words. I think we get along too because we do have a common interest...something we both agree on and feel very strongly about...and that is promoting and enjoying the game of disc golf.

I'll rant from time-to-time on this board...but I don't ever bring up religion or politics during a round of disc golf. It's not the time or the place, and I'm happy to share the course and some good golf with anybody, regardless of their political stripes (or race, gender, abililty/disability, age {but darn, I'm getting tired of getting whooped by these young kids like Ian Hovey, Matt Hall, and Robbie Bratten}. I think you're the same way.

There are a lot of people on these boards and in our disc golf community that I have philosophical differences with (Tony Bender, SandalMan, yourself, Laura Q, etc.), but whom I still have a lot of respect for and enjoy playing golf with).

Who knows, if we could get the whole world throwing discs, we could end all wars (although we'd still be fighting over the 2-meter rule and collared shirts)

I'll up you one Josh,

Rooster can think and in fact so can UPM and Grunion. The difference is that UPM and Grunion choose not to. They're too mad at the world to do so. The other difference is that Rooster treats everyone, even those he clearly dislikes, with respect. Thus he earns others respect.

Rooster says it best. The board is to exchange ideas and views which there will always be differences. The course is for playing a round and relaxing.

I am not mad at the world and the original intent of the post was to move towards fixing the bugs in the message board but we could not move past the initial phase because we are both to strong headed to promote the initial jump in the write direction.

Lyle, your opinion is just that. I respect it, but disagree with it. I believe you dont see the big picture. See, you have to adress issues a certain way to get it to go any where. If I have to be labeled the Acehole for pushing issues to get them adressed...oh well. Just cause I take a stance on something does not mean I have mal intent. Just open your eyes and take a look at whats happening these days would you.

First bring up a problem you would like to see fixed.

Second, this is the one that gets everyone confused......Agree that it is an issue. (Not argue over credability, the posters intent, the way they worded it, bash & flame, and argue)

3 Find the solutions and put the best one into action.

Rooster- I like your perspective!! Very well said.

Lyle, I have met the infamous GruioN on numerous occasions, and I have to admit that he is actually a nice guy. I wish he could not read this, cause I hate complimenting two people two posts in a row, but he is one smart cookie as well! He definitly has some acehole qualities in him, but I dont think that is a bad thing. His approach definitly sucks, but is rapidly improving. I think the more he is on this board, the more he sees what this family is all about, and I think he will surprise a few people with his contributions to the sport. I hope so at least! :)

I am not mad at the world and the original intent of the post was to move towards fixing the bugs in the message board but we could not move past the initial phase because we are both to strong headed to promote the initial jump in the write direction.



I don't know Mike. If the original intent of your post was to fix the bugs, then this probably was not the best way to express that.
Your ignorance is as fat as your head. Just cause a dissapearance takes place and their is an explanation given by the PDGA does not mean there was'nt foul play.

Maybe that's where the confusion for us reading this came in. It sounded more like the whole conspiracy theory angle to me too.

How's his putting :confused: :D

The original intent was to fix the bugs but there is something not adding up about the explanation for the disappearance. This does not mean that someone plotted against him but it does not rule it out either. Before we can get to this topic though we have to agree that the explanation does not bind 100% to the occurance. This will not happen while we are playing the I'm smarter than you game so it is a go nowhere topic for now. I'm pretty busy these days and the time to adress this has passed for now. Maybe we can approach it again from a different angle. I know my tatics my not be the norm but I am still getting the hang of how the targeted recipient (Someone of importance from the PDGA) will adress these issues in a timely fashion. The only way I have found to get this done is to point a finger or raise a stink. Might not be the best way and I might look like an Asz but it seams to be working and we are moving right along now.

The only problem I see with this method so far is the confusion of members as to where I am coming from and getting them to see where I am going with it. This usually takes pages of bickering before the light bulb goes off. By this time the audience is big enough that the PDGA steps in and has to comment on the situation which ultimately promotes a resolution if one is feasable. Either way the issues get adressed and we are moving forward. It might not be the best way but I am learning and always open to suggestions. Two Putt has put in some very usefull insight on this and maybe soon I will change my approach. Your input is never brushed aside so don't feel like I am closed to other methods. This is just what I feel is getting the job done as of now and hey......its not a popularity contest. I just feel strongly about certain things and sometimes come off looking like a jerk which I feel everyone does at times. Its really ok, its nothing personal to anyone. I feel we are all here cause we have a similat interest in one thing. The progressive growth of this sport. ;)

Getting alot better. I am about 12-15% from about 60 feet. about 70% at 30 and well it just gets better as we go in from there.

The only problem I see with this method so far is the confusion of members as to where I am coming from and getting them to see where I am going with it. This usually takes pages of bickering before the light bulb goes off.



Exactly my point. I have been sitting back reading here and there over the last few weeks and I have to say, I have had a really hard time following sometimes. I agree with some of what you say, and I disagree with a lot of what you say, and sometimes what is said is just rediculous. But I thought you might like to know why you may sometimes be so misunderstood and why there is confusion. We are not all blindly following like some would like to portray us as. The quotes I made in the above post are just a couple of the oh so many that I have seen and what makes it really difficult to appreciate what your real "intent" is. Like I said, you said it was to fix the bugs, but I just didn't see that anywhere in what you wrote and I think that is why you got the respnoses you did. I've been busy too and have fallen behind in my reading. You said we are moving right along now and things are getting done. Could you give me a brief summary of what has now changed and what has been the result of all the bickering. I am not being sarcastic, I really would like to know. There is just so much BS to read through elsewhere and since this is the Let's All Get Along Thread, I would say it's an OK place to talk. If you have the time of course. Thanks :)

Wow! I will have to take some time and go over alot to get your answers. Thanks for the realistic and concerned approach to your questions.I will try to get your answers to you as soon as possible. The topics are going so fast that I'm afraid I might get behind trying to fill your request right now.

Ok, thanks. I feel the same way. That's why I asked. I thought since you actively post on a lot of the threads that talk about the changes that need to be made and all that, that you might be able to give a quick shout out to some of the changes that are now occuring due to all the bickering. But I don't want you to fall behind so don't stress over it. It's my fault I can't keep up. It's just hard to find the time. I'm just bummed that I am missing out on all this new progress.

Rooster- I like your perspective!! Very well said.

Lyle, I have met the infamous GruioN on numerous occasions, and I have to admit that he is actually a nice guy. I wish he could not read this, cause I hate complimenting two people two posts in a row, but he is one smart cookie as well! He definitly has some acehole qualities in him, but I dont think that is a bad thing. His approach definitly sucks, but is rapidly improving. I think the more he is on this board, the more he sees what this family is all about, and I think he will surprise a few people with his contributions to the sport. I hope so at least! :)



I understand that Grunion is a sharp guy. In fact, I think he's smart enough that he doesn't need to personalize. The reality is that Mike wants more than what he's getting. If he could advocate for what he wants without lobbing bombs at the PDGA that aren't true I think he'd get a lot further. Standing up to someone doesn't mean that you have to call them names. If might mean you have to solicit others to your cause, but that is much more effective than personal attacks.

not to advocate, but the name calling and personal attacks seem to be on a two lane highway

I am not lobbing bombs, they do that to themselves. What I do is support the general population and take real question and fend off the "clan" from burying it with accusations and comments of mal intent. I try to keep it open until the question is answered. I resurface the questions if they get buried. I push for people that email me that dont post. I do alot. Its for the over all big picture for Disc golf.

Why do I do this? Well I have kinda just fell into this position with all the previous conflicts on the board. Now this crap just surrounds me. The first thread that I came back on the board turned into a rival battle between questions and answers and well, I gotta support what I believe.

It's hard to ignore common sense Matchu. :)

I understand that Grunion is a sharp guy. In fact, I think he's smart enough that he doesn't need to personalize. The reality is that Mike wants more than what he's getting. If he could advocate for what he wants without lobbing bombs at the PDGA that aren't true I think he'd get a lot further. Standing up to someone doesn't mean that you have to call them names. If might mean you have to solicit others to your cause, but that is much more effective than personal attacks.



Agreed. :)

I guess it all boils down to a respect issue. They are in the process of rebuilding mine for them and when this process is over I am sure it will reflect in my postings.