Not that it's anything to brag about, but I am one of the lucky few sub-900 players that will be traveling to the Worlds this year. Ok, maybe the last part IS something to brag about. Anyway, I was thinking that perhaps a sub-900 pool is in order. Consider it something like Pro2, but for Advanced. I guess we could call it Advanced2.

Boy, that was creative.

I have 2 goals going into Worlds this year. One is to beat Jim Santoro. The other is to be the first person to play an entire round at Worlds with just a Ram (that's not really a goal, just a cool idea I guess). A sub-900 pool would give me something else to focus on, and maybe I'll forget the Ram idea (although it would be cool and probably bug the crap out of the others in my group, but I digress....)

If anyone is interested, or has any other ideas about Worlds for the "high ratings challenged", let us know.

The other idea I had is an Omaha Hi/Lo tournament, but that might be illegal in Des Moines. Bummer.

Not that it's anything to brag about, but I am one of the lucky few sub-900 players that will be traveling to the Worlds this year. Ok, maybe the last part IS something to brag about. Anyway, I was thinking that perhaps a sub-900 pool is in order. Consider it something like Pro2, but for Advanced. I guess we could call it Advanced2.

Boy, that was creative.

I have 2 goals going into Worlds this year. One is to beat Jim Santoro. The other is to be the first person to play an entire round at Worlds with just a Ram (that's not really a goal, just a cool idea I guess). A sub-900 pool would give me something else to focus on, and maybe I'll forget the Ram idea (although it would be cool and probably bug the crap out of the others in my group, but I digress....)

If anyone is interested, or has any other ideas about Worlds for the "high ratings challenged", let us know.

The other idea I had is an Omaha Hi/Lo tournament, but that might be illegal in Des Moines. Bummer.



Whats the Omaha thing you speak of. I'm an Omahan and I havn't a clue. Shed some light please!

Whats the Omaha thing you speak of. I'm an Omahan and I havn't a clue. Shed some light please!



It's a poker tournament. Watch out, Dan is a poker shark!

Whats the Omaha thing you speak of. I'm an Omahan and I havn't a clue. Shed some light please!



It's a poker tournament. Watch out, Dan is a poker shark!



I don't know if I'd say poker shark, but I do stand a much better chance at winning something playing poker than I do playing disc golf!

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Miscellaneous&Number=156214&fpart=&PHPSESSID=

.^.--for more Omaha info.

Howard, you know I'm in for a sub-900 pool... Funny that we share the same goals... beating Santoro. :p

... Ganz... you out there? Maybe get some East vs. West action? (okay, by then I'll be more Mid-West, but still East of the Mississippi) :D

... Funny that we share the same goals... beating Santoro. :p



I know J, maybe we should set our goals higher next time. :D

Wow, me and my 845 rating are honored. Such fine disc golfers as Dan Howard (881) and Jason Haas (880) are going to travel many miles just hoping to beat me. I'm going to be honest here. You guys are done. Bring it on. The only Haas I fear is playing in the women's division. ;)

Obviously this pool would have to be set up to pay out after friday since I doubt anybody with a rating under 900 will be playing on saturday. I'm in.

You guys are enticing me and my 879 to fly all the way to Iowa to open a can of whoopass...

I'm taking two weeks off of work in September to go to Hawaii, so not sure if i can swing it though :D/ :confused:.

Erick

Erick,

You are no 879-rated player. Having seen you play, your case is a good example of your ability improving much faster than your rating. You'd need less than 1/8 can of whoopass to take down those clowns. :D

Thanks for the accolades Jeff! I'm working on playing more PDGA's to get my rating up faster. Brandywine Breeze, (Discraft Doubles- non PDGA), Tinicum Owl fest, then Animalfest over the next month.
P.S. Always have fun playing with those guys!!!

Erick

Yes, Jason. I'm here. I'm going to kick your [*****]. ;)

Steve and Jason both need to bring me some dollars to Iowa! :)

I wanna play too, how about MA2 qualified players and below.

Erick, I agree with Jeff that your rating doesn't represent your ability, the 3 of us were all within 4 strokes at FDR, which is just one or 2 "Noonans" on the tee away from being even. If you can make Iowa that would be pretty cool.

Jim and I can't make Animalfest (dance recital weekend for the girls), but will be at CT States in a couple of weeks and hitting a few other tourneys before August (hopefully). I'll try to post something on the NEFA board if we are hitting FDR or Warwick on an off day or weekend, maybe we can hook up.

Gnduke, you are at 913, and I think Rhett is around there too. You'd have to give us strokes if you want in! (although we all know East coast ratings are not as inflated as West coast and Texas ratings). :D

Hey Rhett... I'm still waiting for those pictures from Arizona!!! Howard, you and I can take on Rhett and Steve... even if Rhett is a 913 (on paper at best), Ganz evens the playing field :eek: :D

It's 914 baby. :)

As far as Ganz goes, maybe if he was on my and Gary's side it would even things out. :eek: :)

Hey Rhett... I'm still waiting for those pictures from Arizona!!!



First Dollar
http://www.socaldiscgolf.org/pix/HaasDollar1.JPG


Second Dollar
http://www.socaldiscgolf.org/pix/HaasDollar2.JPG


No third from Haas because we didn't think to bet before the first round. :)



Just for good measure:
http://www.socaldiscgolf.org/pix/GanzDollar.JPG

Rhett,
don't take Jason's lunch money! Can't you tell he needs to eat some more food :D
Without a "belly-momentum" he'll never be able to throw as far as we do

Just to clarify, that money was heading towards the left in all of those pictures, correct?

What the he!!, open the pool up to anyone with a rating under 915. I'll only be giving up 7 strokes per round and I can make that up with my superior putting. :D

And regarding the whoopass that might be coming out of Long Island (bring it on Erick), the only thing I fear from Long Island is the traffic.

I'd love to get out to Iowa...on the waiting list but as of right now its not looking too good. we should get out to play warwick or FDR one of these days...won't be getting out to CT states though. Any chance you guys can make it to Owlfest?

Erick

Since I have always wanted to take money from someone who lives in California, let's open it up to all sub-915 rated players.

I sorta kinda think there should be a handicap system, since there is a pretty good-sized gap between 915 and say, 875 (4 strokes per round over 5 rounds is tough to pull off), but maybe we can figure out some kind of door prizes and/or 'best over your rating' prizes.

Since Haas and Ganz are the experts on this stuff, I will defer to their ideas (unless they don't have any) on how to work this. Anyone else with suggestions, please bring 'em on.

BTW, I think we need a 'former lead singer' side bet between Santoro and Mark Atwood. Their ratings are close, and apparently so are their hairlines nowadays. :D

BTW, I think we need a 'former lead singer' side bet between Santoro and Mark Atwood. Their ratings are close, and apparently so are their hairlines nowadays. :D



Then Jim must have plenty of hair. Mine's growing back quite nicely after the little shaved head experiment, thank you. :D

Now if we can just get that buckshot out of his lip...

Handicap side bet? I'm a firm believer in the "Dollar Bill of Domination" bet, so I'm in for that. Unless it's my little girl against that little girl Atwood, then I'm down for a full-color tourney stamped disc. :)

The problem with handicapped by ratings at the Int level is that most people are improving and their rating lags their skill. Old farts like me and GnDuke are declining and our ratings actually match our skill level. But I'm still in for a DBoD.

Handicap side bet? I'm a firm believer in the "Dollar Bill of Domination" bet, so I'm in for that. Unless it's my little girl against that little girl Atwood, then I'm down for a full-color tourney stamped disc. :)

The problem with handicapped by ratings at the Int level is that most people are improving and their rating lags their skill. Old farts like me and GnDuke are declining and our ratings actually match our skill level. But I'm still in for a DBoD.


Has anyone created this Battle Hot stamp on a disc yet ? :D

How can you handicap a side bet? My rating has peaked at a whopping 845 and I'm still willing to go in for a piece of the "Intermediate World Championship". Some of you borderline 910ish guys might not be eligible anyway because there's another ratings update in July.

And I've got plenty of hair... it's just not on my head so much anymore.

Ok, we'll skip the handicap idea. I think I have a NY States stamped disc somewhere that I can offer up as a prize. How do we work this, tho? Pay the top 1/3 of whoever wants in? Just pay the top guy/gal? Pay the top 3?

I also would like to nominate someone other than myself to keep track of the finances here. You don't want me holding anyone else's money 1000 miles from home in a city that has a convention center, if you know what I mean. I've been married a long, long time.

Especially if the money includes a lot of dollar bills ?

Rhett, I'm in for the DBoD... other than that last round (where you put that whammy on me on hole 7), only one stroke differences... I'm willing to risk another dollar... If we happen to be in the same pools, that is... :D Ganz, you game again! ... Sorry Theo, you got too good to play in our reindeer games (unless you're willing to spot a few per round, then I'm game :D)

As for the sub-900 (that means < 900, not including 900!!!) we could do a base fee and assume 10 pts/stroke/18 holes. So basically, for every 10 points under 900, cut a stroke (may break it down to decimals to lessen the ties) We could split the pot, 1/3 scratch, 2/3 handicap (or something like that.)

As for Rhetts point about the 'older' golfers, you should check out how flat my rating changes are!!! Should we limit the handicap payout to golfers that have a somewhat 'polished' rating (with more than a few rounds, that is?)

Okay, "I should really spend less time on the discussion board and practice instead so this thread doesn't apply to me" golfers, whatcha think?

If it's sub-915, then I'm in! If not - Rhett - how about a sub 915 Master's pool? You still (barely) qualify, and that rules out people like Bruce Brakel, Art Heilman and my homey Doug Saulter. GnDuke can join us, though...

-Theo

I'm in.

I'm in and I'm down for whatever the bet is. Strokes or no strokes. Doesn't matter to me. Bring it!

Cool, now we are talking. Sub-915 it is. How about we split the pot up as follows:

25% to the lowest gross score
20% to next lowest
15% to 3rd place
10% to 4th
5% to 5th
15% to highest over their current rating (as of the most recent update prior to Worlds)
10% to next highest over their rating.

We could split this up instead and have 2 pools, one using ratings and one for scratch scores if the numbers look too small. You tell me.

I think a side bet for whoever throws a Ram the most is not a bad idea either ('specially since that's the one I have the best shot at winning). :cool:

As long as I'm not keeping the stats, I'm in.

If it's sub-915, then I'm in! If not - Rhett - how about a sub 915 Master's pool? You still (barely) qualify, and that rules out people like Bruce Brakel, Art Heilman and my homey Doug Saulter. GnDuke can join us, though...

-Theo



915? I gotta find a cheap C or D tier tournament to play really badly in to get down there.

Can a Pro Master compete if his rating is sub 915?

At 925 Bill, you will need to find a few cheap C or D tiers to get down to 915 quick enough. I would have to guess that you still couldn't get in, since Pro Master will most likely play a different course schedule than Am1. If the courses are all the same then I'd have no problem with it, as long as it's apples to apples, division, age, or bra size shouldn't matter.

well, MA1 and MM1 play the same courses in different order except for the semis.

I am ok with the order being different, as long as it's the same courses with the same layouts the same number of times. We'll just have to deal with it if another snowbowl issue comes up.

Since we won't all make the semis, I guess we will have to count all rounds up to that.

There is no way that the courses will be the same for MPM and y'all, so you baggers just have your own fun... :D

At this point in time, all MA1, MM1, FW1, and MG1 are all playing the same courses the same number of times. Obviously, not at the same time!

Howard, I like your idea for top 4 places in gross score, although rewarding shooting above your rating is kind of like double dipping (cuz if you shot that good, it's likely your in the top 4 of gross.) I would think rewarding the best scratch, or two best scratch scores would keep more people interested at the top end of the bracket (like guys like Rhett who whine about their rating moving the wrong way or not as fast as the young whippersnappers) as there is still a chance to pick up some duckets by shooting well, just not necessarily in relation to their rating.

I offer to run the numbers, but with any vig, I'm gonna have to rake a little :eek: :D

- J

Hey Jason, some of us have some really low ratings and could shoot 69 points over it and still not reach 915. I think someone in my position would be at an advantage in any handicapped pool (currently shooting between 870 & 880 normally but rating still stuck at 845) so I'm against the handicaps. Where is the motivation in having to "play better than when I really sucked". Either way I'm in since there is only 2 people I'm looking to beat and if I'm whooping them, this could keep me interested.

That's not good that the advanced women are playing the same courses now is it J. That means at weeks end you and Amy can compare scores. Now that could be rough if it works out the wrong way. :D

Jim, usually when doing handicaps, you don't use the full difference. Usually, you use 80% of the pure handicap: If you're rated 845, then you are 70 points off scratch (supposed 915), so the diff. is 7 strokes; that times .80 is 5.6. Therefore, your handicap to be applied would be 5.6 strokes per round. This helps alleviate the fact that most lower rated players will shoot better than their handicap on average (notice the phrases "most" and "on average". I rarely shoot more than 10-20 points higher than my rating, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.)

I'm not too concerned about the Mrs. shooting the same courses. It's months away and I'm pretty confident that it will work out the right way (which, by the way, means Amy shooting better than all 3 of us :D) I'm looking forward to Amy stomping me (again)... there has to be at least ONE Haas disc golfer that is good!

Anybody else have ideas or thoughts (about the sub-915 pool, that is!)

I'm going to have to shoot some crappy golf this weekend in order to stay eligible for this.

Fortunately that's pretty much a lock. :)

So, what's the plan ?

handicapped, scratch, best above rating ?

Can I get in this as an Adv Master? My rating is dropping very quickly with the shoulder injury I have. :(

Can I get in this as an Adv Master? My rating is dropping very quickly with the shoulder injury I have. :(



Of course you can Dave, the more gimpy players we have, the better! Hope the shoulder is recovering well.


Jason said - "I offer to run the numbers, but with any vig, I'm gonna have to rake a little"



Don't worry Jason, if I make it to the finals I'll let you carry my bag for me. I know Santoro was hoping to have that honor, but it's the least I could do for you after all your hard work. :D

Jason Haas should be eliminated from the competition - he is now winning (http://www.madisc.org/discus/messages/4/419.html?1085153807#POST4423) the Advanced Am division at tournaments!!!

:D

Jeff's just jealous that he never did! :D

Fo Shizzle!!!

(couldnt resist Jeff)

Am Worlds shoudl for sure have rated pools......


(yes, I am a sub 900 weenie)

Jeff's just jealous that he never did! :D



Not true! Seneca Ice Bowl in 2001. Ask Haas, he wuz there.

Wow. Pretty bad when the number of Jeff's tournament victories equals mine. And mine wasn't a wussy ice bowl, either. Animalfest 2003 baby.

<p align ="center" style="font-size: 8px;">Of course, I was playing intermediate, but that's where my rating said I should play.<style="font-size: 10px;">

I've got several tournament victories then if you want to count what I won as an Intermediate player. But nobody would boast about that.

They should if they were a rec rated player and shot 40+ points over their rating to win it.

Uh Dan, I can shoot 40 points over my rating and still not break 885 (just barely intermediate). I probably wouldn't brag about it either.

You guys should look more toward the future. Like this afternoon Dan. Did you bring your dog collar and leather bustier so that you are properly dressed for the spanking I'm going to give you at FDR? :p

nice... keep us posted on who wins! haha

Erick

I see Jim had time to post on the ratings discussion thread, but not this one. Maybe he forgot the thrashing he received? Maybe it's selective memory, that thing your brain does when something dreadful has happened.

Ok it wasn't dreadful, but Dan 60, Jim 64. It wasn't really ever that close, either.

More importantly, soon-to-be world champion James Howard, age 8, played his first almost-complete round at FDR with us. If he could learn how to putt, I am in big-assed trouble. Some highlights:

Drop in 5 on hole 1 (350 feet or so) thanks to a big drive and sweet recovery shot from the big tree on the right.

Just missing the basket with a 70 foot forehand approach between the trees on hole 3.

Drop in 3 on a much shortened hole 5 (throwing from the ravine).

Drop in 3 on hole 7, teeing off from just past the normal tee (in the clear) - drive would have been parked but it caught a tiny tree near the ditch.

Pin high in 2 shots on hole 8, teeing off from just outside the normal tee (bout maybe 280 from there I'd guess).

Drop in 3 on hole 9, teeing off once again from just outside the recessed tee area. (His legs are too short to make it across the stones to the tee).

If I could convince him to stop throwing rollers he'd have done better. His main discs are a 150 Gazelle, 150 Leopard and 135 Lightning #1 Helix (I think it's a #1 helix, it's a glow in the dark disc that has a skull on it and says "Fright Night".)

Ok, back to our scheduled programming.

I figured I try to put all the thoughts together in one post for the sub-915 pool and get peoples thoughts and who is interested. If anyone has comments/questions/suggestions, or wants in, please post on this thread, this way we can see what people are thinking. If you want in, please post your name and PDGA # (makes looking up the rating easier!) <ul type="square"> Ratings will be used from the most recent update prior to Worlds. All divisions that end up playing the same courses over the entire week are eligible to be in the pool. (As of right now, that's MA1, MM1, FW1, and MG1.) Any players in the above divisions with ratings below 915 are eligible. 10 Dollars a person (if the concensus is this is too high, we can move it down.) Even though I'm sure all of us are respectable persons, we should gather moneys before the tournament starts. We can figure out how/where as we get closer to the tournament. Because of the great shuffle, results will only be able to be compared after the 'Great Shuffle', currently scheduled for Tuesday night, and the end of the week. If the SSAs for all the courses are close, then round-by-round compares will be closer. Handicaps will be calculated as follows: 8% of the players rating difference from 915. (Therefore, a 845 player will have a per round handicap of 5.6 strokes.) This is based on 18 hole rounds, if more than 18 holes are played, the handicap will be adjusted accordingly for the extra holes. If we play a 27 hole course, the handicap would be 150% of the 18 hole total, for a 36 hole course, 200% of the 18 total. (Unlikely there will be that many holes, but you get the gist.) If the SSAs for the courses deviate far from the avg. 51, then we may need to adjust that percentage, as the 10 points per stroke will be inaccurate. I'll do some research prior to Worlds to get that information. Gross scores are calculated by subtracting the handicap from the net score of the round. (If the above person shot a 68 on an 18 hole course, their gross score would be 62.4. [68 - 5.6] ) Handicaps will not be recalculated, as they are based off the ratings, not the performance during the tournament. Results will be posted (hopefully) at the end of each day. The final payouts will be determined by the sum of all scratch and gross scores over the course of standard tournament play. Semi-finals and finals scores will not be included. [/list]Payout Percentages <ul type="square"> 25% to the lowest gross score 20% to next lowest 15% to 3rd place 10% to 4th 20% to best scratch score 10% to next lowest scratch score [/list]- Jason

I'm in! But let's make it $20!

I'm in.
$20 + collectable disc ?

Define collectible... Like a local stamped disc from your area? from a local tournament? a 2001 CE Roc? How do we want to split the discs up?

I'd be happy to take steves money...! count me in too!

I think local stamps are a better idea. Eerybody puts one in and gets one from another part of the country out.

Count me in!

I think I'd like a part of this, too.

Jason, you are most certainly the man with the statistical plan on this one. The numbers look good to me, but we might want to consider a slightly flatter payout if we got a lot more interest (i.e. more than let's say, 15-20 peeps?)

I like the local stamped disc idea as well, maybe that should be used as the payout for places after the cash levels? Or do we just trade them around and consider that the 'players pack'? Suggestions?

I'm for a flatter payout if we get a bunch more people. I'll see if I can come up with a moving scale based on persons involved (or I would gladly accept help on this one from any number of TDs [that's you Rhett].)

The discs could be a grab-bag style. When you drop yours off, you take one back with you.

I'd be ready to drop the scratch scores (even though they would be my best chance of cashing with a 913 rating) and just use the adjusted scores for payout.

I'm in for either $10 or $20 and my 5.6 strokes per round are coming with me. I like the grab bag idea with the local stamp disc but should we institute a no DX plastic rule.

Jason, you are the man. First round of drinks is on me. Rounds 2 thru 10 we can fight over.

Jim Santoro PDGA # 20138

I'd be happy to take steves money..



Good lord, Donny. You really are a glutton for punishment aren't you? :D

I've got...high hopes....I've got pie in the skyyyy hopes!...wait a minute, isnt your best score at De La a +4 or something...I shot that just last week, and PB is par. ya ya, you beat me 2 tourneys in a row...but I think Portland is where your going down! :D:p

I'm pretty sure that as far as tourney play is concerned, I've got the edge by something like 4 or 5 to 1. Go ahead and tout your even par at De La on a Tuesday morning if it makes you feel better. I understand. :D

OK my +5 during masters cup beat any of your rounds....you had a good showing at KOA I'll give ya that! But, Portland is mine! As for De La...tuesday, sat, even monday morning I'll still get ya!

Who was that cat at the PMC that shot a -10 in the last round. Schultz, Smith no Messer, thats right!!!!!!1033 rated. I guess he will not participating in this little wager! :D

OK my +5 during masters cup beat any of your rounds


Yes, you had the low round. But I still beat ya 2 rounds to 1. And more importantly, overall. Aim high, Donny boy. Ya gotta dream to achieve! :D

just get your money ready @ worlds...wait, I havent even made the invite list yet who am I kidding...! I might not even get to go and collect your money at worlds....yes I will dream, I will dream of all the bling your gonna bring me!

oh..and take a look at the rounds again...i think we tied one round, you beat me one round and I got you on one round....masters cup...At De La ...right! just making sure!

Oh man, this is great. Donny and Steve are like the Howard and Santoro of the west coast. I hope I get to witness some of this in person in Iowa!

Oh man, this is great. Donny and Steve are like the Howard and Santoro of the west coast. I hope I get to witness some of this in person in Iowa!



They ARE the Santoro/Howard of the west coast, look at all your ratings!

<table border="1"><tr><td>Player</td><td>Rating
</td></tr><tr><td>Steve Ganz</td><td>882
</td></tr><tr><td>Don Riedthaler</td><td>855
</td></tr><tr><td></td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Dan Howard</td><td>881
</td></tr><tr><td>Jim Santoro</td><td>845
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

Hmmm....maybe we should set up a "special" pool for sub-875 players.

oh..and take a look at the rounds again...i think we tied one round, you beat me one round and I got you on one round....



Nope, sorry pal. I beat you in the first round by three strokes and the second round by one stroke. Then, in the third round, you dug deep and found a way...a way to fall short of beating me overall. :D

LOL...OK...OK...yes you are correct about round per round, but we both shot 91 just not on the same day...LOL...as for my rating...just you wait until ratings update then we'll see if you can include me in a sub 875 pool! I think "Last Cash Ganz" is going to live up to his title!

Well, it's certainly a better title than "No Cash Reidthaler"!

:D

or is that "Last Word Ganz"! :D

care to make a little $$$ wager for the portland tourney. while your out at hellyer playing pitch and putt...I am throwing back to back +3's at De La(thats 54 holes, not 3 rounds of 9) in one day...practice young Ganz, use the force :p come to the De La side...let the force control your car to Dela...! by the way are you in for the 24 hr round fundraiser?

You're on, Mister "I-play-disc-golf-everyday-at-a-world-class-course-and-still-can't-beat-a-guy-with-an-artificial-hip-who-works-50-hours-a-week-and-is-lucky-to-play-doubles-on-Thursdays-at-the-local-pitch-and-putt" Reidthaler!

Let's bet the hotel, airfare and car rental. :D

Is this the banter of ams or protected pros?

(Just a question...)

look-out its the poster police, lets see how do I keep the topic at what it started...I, if invited to the worlds will bring a Disc for trade and some money just in case I have to give it to "last cash"! but I might not get to get into the pool if my player rating goes up!!!!! HA HA HA that was a good one!

Ams, definitely ams. Wanna-be Advanced ams, to be more specific. ;)

Anybody notice how cashedfool dropped the whole wager on Portland thing? :D

i'm sure we can find a nice steakhouse in portland where the loser pays for dinner?

Shouldn't you boys be puttin' or something. Maybe you guys will move to the wanna-be-pro pool :D

OK, so are we in agreement on the items stated below?

1 - Everyone try and bring a locally stamped disc for a grab bag style giveaway (you put one in, you take one out). Preferably CE or X/Z plastic. Show some local pride, no 2001 Ice Bowl discs please.

2 - We go with Jason's 80% handicap numbers, based on the latest ratings data. We will try to payout at least 15% of entrants. If you would prefer a flatter payout then say something, preferably with a suggestion of what you'd like. We aim to please (of course, we are all rated below 915, so we don't aim all that well). We also payout the top 10% of low gross scores.

3 - It's $10 per person. $7 of that goes towards the handicap payout, $3 towards the scratch payout.

4 - If anyone has anything of value to add, now is the time to do it. Ok, later is a good time too, but I have a short attention spa....

This is getting complicated. Maybe we should just all pony-up $100 in entry fees and just play for that. :)

Oh, man. I was all excited about getting in on this, but my rating only dropped to 917

Push for another ratings update before worlds...

Oh, man. I was all excited about getting in on this, but my rating only dropped to 917



C'mon Terry, as Communications Director I'm sure you could make something happen! Maybe they'll find an updated update laying around somewhere (like hidden over in the corner next to the WMDs) ;).

Good point, Rhett, but some of us are comfortable with the fact that we already donated our $105 and are looking for a return elsewhere.

BTW, is everyone going to the banquet thing?

Yeah, that's right. As of right now I am the lowest rated male that is currently registered in either the Advanced or Advanced Masters divisions at 845. While I have DFL'd a time or two (or three) in the past, not being able to say that I came in "last in the world" seems like it might be enough motivation to beat somebody.

That's a great goal. It worked for me in Michigan in 2000. :)

Worked for me in Kansas City in 2003. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Hey Ganz... you keep shooting like you did this weekend and you're out! :eek: :D

One can only hope! :D

I'm in #16560

So how about a list of who's playing, what we're playing for and if we're using Jason's rules as he posted previously...?

Sounds good to me. Jason and Steve, are you guys ok with that? I might be bringing a laptop with me to worlds, but most likely it will have nothing on it but the Poker Stars and Planet Poker software :D

How about everyone post yer name and PDGA # on here if you are interested, and as it gets closer we will arrange a meeting on the Sunday before it all starts. I am staying at the host hotel, but won't be getting in until Sat night probably.

$10 for the pool, the local disc grab bag can be a separate thing for those who want in. Good, new, quality discs only, please! I will be providing either a 2003 NY State Championships stamped CE Archangel or 2003 MADC CFR TL.

my last 2 ratings digits are 14 does that mean I just sqeaked in and able to play?

Not quite Chris, but nice try.

Gary Duke # 9426 - Rating 911.

Dave Prue
#9360

I'm good with that. I will try to bring my laptop as well.

Thanks Steve. I figured we need to cover our bases since Haas will be crying most evenings when he sees that he got beat by not only me, but Santoro as well. Since Amy can kick all our butts, that's just a given. :D

Heeren, if you want to spot me some strokes per round we can work something out. I'm at 881, you're at 1014, so, umm....carry the 2, divided by the square of the hypotenuse....ummm.....gimme 13 and we'll talk.

I'm interested in this as well

Brian
#20801
914
that's what I call close ;)

Matt Kelly 22203 rating 898

I've got an Berkeley Aquatic Park candy XL I'll bring.

As it stands now, this is the plan for the sub-915 pool. Let me know if this looks good (again!) If anyone has comments/questions/suggestions, or wants in, please post on this thread, this way we can see what people are thinking. If you want in, please post your name and PDGA # (makes looking up the rating easier!)
<ul type="square">
Ratings will be used from the most recent update prior to Worlds (this was just recently published.)
All divisions that end up playing the same courses over the entire week are eligible to be in the pool. (As of right now, that's MA1, MM1, FW1, and MG1.)
Any players in the above divisions with ratings below 915 are eligible.
20 Dollars a person (if the concensus is this is too high, we can move it down.) Even though I'm sure all of us are respectable persons, we should gather moneys before the tournament starts. We can figure out how/where as we get closer to the tournament.
Please try to bring a locally stamped disc, especially something from this years tournaments around your area. We are having people from East/West/Midwest so far, so getting some cool stamps from some special tournaments to pass out would be really cool. Grab-bag style... you put one in, you get one out. We can wait until later in the week or work something out so Ganz and Kelly don't swap discs from the West :)
Because of the great shuffle, results will only be able to be compared after the 'Great Shuffle', currently scheduled for Tuesday night, and the end of the week. If the SSAs for all the courses are close, then round-by-round compares will be closer.
Handicaps will be calculated as follows: 8% of the players rating difference from 915. (Therefore, a 845 player will have a per round handicap of 5.6 strokes.) This is based on 18 hole rounds, if more than 18 holes are played, the handicap will be adjusted accordingly for the extra holes. If we play a 27 hole course, the handicap would be 150% of the 18 hole total, for a 36 hole course, 200% of the 18 total. (Unlikely there will be that many holes, but you get the gist.)
If the SSAs for the courses deviate far from the avg. 51, then we may need to adjust that percentage, as the 10 points per stroke will be inaccurate. I'll do some research prior to Worlds to get that information.
Gross scores are calculated by subtracting the handicap from the net score of the round. (If the above person shot a 68 on an 18 hole course, their gross score would be 62.4. [68 - 5.6] )
Handicaps will not be recalculated, as they are based off the ratings, not the performance during the tournament.
Results will be posted (hopefully) at the end of each day. The final payouts will be determined by the sum of all scratch and gross scores over the course of standard tournament play. Semi-finals and finals scores will not be included.
[/list]
Payout Percentages
<ul type="square"> 25% to the lowest gross score 20% to next lowest 15% to 3rd place 10% to 4th 20% to best scratch score 10% to next lowest scratch score[/list]
- Jason

These are the people that I heard from and/or scoured from the board (if I missed anybody, please post here... I'll tack you on the list.)

<table border="1"><tr><td>Name</td><td>PDGA #</td><td>Rating</td><td>Handicap
</td></tr><tr><td>Brian Berman</td><td>20801</td><td>914</td><td>0.08
</td></tr><tr><td>Theo Pozzy</td><td>14166</td><td>914</td><td>0.08
</td></tr><tr><td>Gary Duke</td><td>9426</td><td>911</td><td>0.32
</td></tr><tr><td>Matt Kelly</td><td>22203</td><td>898</td><td>1.36
</td></tr><tr><td>Rob Kelly</td><td>21143</td><td>893</td><td>1.76
</td></tr><tr><td>Dave Prue</td><td>9360</td><td>893</td><td>1.76
</td></tr><tr><td>Steve Ganz</td><td>21439</td><td>884</td><td>2.48
</td></tr><tr><td>Dan Howard</td><td>19105</td><td>881</td><td>2.72
</td></tr><tr><td>Jason Haas</td><td>17524</td><td>880</td><td>2.80
</td></tr><tr><td>Bob Webster</td><td>16560</td><td>864</td><td>4.08
</td></tr><tr><td>Jim Santoro</td><td>20138</td><td>850</td><td>5.20
</td></tr><tr><td>Amy Haas</td><td>18864</td><td>807</td><td>8.64
</td></tr><tr><td></tr></td></table>

As it stands now, this is the plan for the sub-915 pool. Let me know if this looks good (again!) If anyone has comments/questions/suggestions, or wants in, please post on this thread, this way we can see what people are thinking. If you want in, please post your name and PDGA # (makes looking up the rating easier!)
<ul type="square">
Ratings will be used from the most recent update prior to Worlds (this was just recently published.)
All divisions that end up playing the same courses over the entire week are eligible to be in the pool. (As of right now, that's MA1, MM1, FW1, and MG1.)
Any players in the above divisions with ratings below 915 are eligible.
20 Dollars a person (if the concensus is this is too high, we can move it down.) Even though I'm sure all of us are respectable persons, we should gather moneys before the tournament starts. We can figure out how/where as we get closer to the tournament.
Please try to bring a locally stamped disc, especially something from this years tournaments around your area. We are having people from East/West/Midwest so far, so getting some cool stamps from some special tournaments to pass out would be really cool. Grab-bag style... you put one in, you get one out. We can wait until later in the week or work something out so Ganz and Kelly don't swap discs from the West :)
Because of the great shuffle, results will only be able to be compared after the 'Great Shuffle', currently scheduled for Tuesday night, and the end of the week. If the SSAs for all the courses are close, then round-by-round compares will be closer.
Handicaps will be calculated as follows: 8% of the players rating difference from 915. (Therefore, a 845 player will have a per round handicap of 5.6 strokes.) This is based on 18 hole rounds, if more than 18 holes are played, the handicap will be adjusted accordingly for the extra holes. If we play a 27 hole course, the handicap would be 150% of the 18 hole total, for a 36 hole course, 200% of the 18 total. (Unlikely there will be that many holes, but you get the gist.)
If the SSAs for the courses deviate far from the avg. 51, then we may need to adjust that percentage, as the 10 points per stroke will be inaccurate. I'll do some research prior to Worlds to get that information.
Gross scores are calculated by subtracting the handicap from the net score of the round. (If the above person shot a 68 on an 18 hole course, their gross score would be 62.4. [68 - 5.6] )
Handicaps will not be recalculated, as they are based off the ratings, not the performance during the tournament.
Results will be posted (hopefully) at the end of each day. The final payouts will be determined by the sum of all scratch and gross scores over the course of standard tournament play. Semi-finals and finals scores will not be included.
[/list]
Payout Percentages
<ul type="square"> 25% to the lowest gross score 20% to next lowest 15% to 3rd place 10% to 4th 20% to best scratch score 10% to next lowest scratch score[/list]
- Jason



Jeezus H. Christ, no wonder Haas doesn't return voice mails and e-mails and we don't hear from him for weeks - he's too busy figuring this crap out! :D

I return emails.... 2 weeks late and very, very short... but they get there. Hey, at least I don't work for FedEx, otherwise you should be really worried!

Jason, once again, you are Da Man!

I did secure a laptop for the trip and installed Office on it, so we are good to go there (if you want to leave yours home, Steve).

Do we think we can handle the monetary end of things on the Sunday beforehand? If everyone will be at the host hotel then I figure I can post a meeting place and time (hint, the place might rhyme with the word 'bar') to make the exchanges. If someone planned ahead and got one of the suites with the hot tub, then that might be a good place as well.

Anyone find it strangely coincidental that Commish happens to have a rating at exactly 914? :D

add Christa Webster #17996 rating 763

This sounds like fun! I might have to get in on this myself. I have a 911 rating. I'll let you know the week before I leave town if that's not too late. Finding a local disc might be tough, but I'll try :confused: Russ3523

add Lindsay Merce PDGA #20573 rating 787

I'm not staying at the host hotel, but I'm good for the $20! :D

What kind of disc? DX? CFR?

T minus 14 days until departure :cool:

Thats going to give you one he11 of a handcap. :D

Yeah Girlie know were the action is.

Viva La Visor

I have one for you I just have to remember to pack it.

:p

Lindsay, ideally a better than DX disc, but it doesn't have to be a $30 CFR deal. Decent champion/pro/Z plastic with a local tourney or course stamp would be best.

Just don't bring one of last year's MADC fundraisers, I will be. :D

Welcome Girlie.

Take it easy on us really low handicapped players.

Count me in!
Eric Sayban #19747 Rating 895

Thanks Gary and ummm, there's a reason why I'm getting 10 strokes a round. :o :D

Now, for the good stuff... Will Senor Atwood be participating? I would like a second opportunity to make him blush. :p ;)

Russ, no big deal if you can't find a local stamp disc... if you don't have one, it won't keep you from playing in the pool. That idea is just to swap some cool discs from around the country where you may not get to frequent. If you don't put one in, you don't take one out, but the 20 bucks is what gets you in the play :D

Updated List
<table border="1"><tr><td>First</td><td>Last</td><td>PDGA #</td><td>Rating</td><td>Handicap
</td></tr><tr><td>Brian</td><td>Berman</td><td>20801</td><td>914</td><td>0.08
</td></tr><tr><td>Theo</td><td>Pozzy</td><td>14166</td><td>914</td><td>0.08
</td></tr><tr><td>Russ</td><td>Corey</td><td>3523</td><td>911</td><td>0.32
</td></tr><tr><td>Gary</td><td>Duke</td><td>9426</td><td>911</td><td>0.32
</td></tr><tr><td>Matt</td><td>Kelly</td><td>22203</td><td>898</td><td>1.36
</td></tr><tr><td>Eric</td><td>Sayban</td><td>19747</td><td>895</td><td>1.60
</td></tr><tr><td>Rob</td><td>Kelly</td><td>21143</td><td>893</td><td>1.76
</td></tr><tr><td>Dave</td><td>Prue</td><td>9360</td><td>893</td><td>1.76
</td></tr><tr><td>Steve</td><td>Ganz</td><td>21439</td><td>884</td><td>2.48
</td></tr><tr><td>Dan</td><td>Howard</td><td>19105</td><td>881</td><td>2.72
</td></tr><tr><td>Jason</td><td>Haas</td><td>17524</td><td>880</td><td>2.80
</td></tr><tr><td>Bob</td><td>Webster</td><td>16560</td><td>864</td><td>4.08
</td></tr><tr><td>Jim</td><td>Santoro</td><td>20138</td><td>850</td><td>5.20
</td></tr><tr><td>Amy</td><td>Haas</td><td>18864</td><td>807</td><td>8.64
</td></tr><tr><td>Lindsay</td><td>Merce</td><td>20573</td><td>787</td><td>10.24
</td></tr><tr><td>Christa</td><td>Webster</td><td>17996</td><td>763</td><td>12.16
</td></tr><tr><td></tr></td></table>

- J

Type me in:

Ed "edism" Schroer 13727 907rating
18 over last time I played Big Creek plus the bonus of Poision Ivy.

Won't be staying at host hotel but will be milling around there.

Jason, Can I give you a disc for the swap even though I can't play and won't be in the pool? :D

Adam, sure you can. Consider the disc swap just a sideshow to the main event, anyone can get involved in that.

Of course, I still don't know exactly how we are gonna pull that one off, but the idea now is to have all the discs collected by Sunday or Monday and have everyone come by to pull one out of the bag on Thursday or Friday at my room.

And feel free to bring a frosty beverage with you when come by "Dan's Room" to pick up your disc as we won't have a fridge in it. :D

So am I low rated or high handicapped?

Yeah, well, if I said "Dan and Jim's Room" it wouldn't sound so good.

We don't have a fridge?

Adam... no problem... I need to see you, Dan, or Paw to get some BHMO discs... I forgot to do it during the tournament!

We are in the process of moving this weekend/early next week... won't be at doubles this week either. Who's the best person to contact?

I would say Paw Paw is your best bet, I've seen boxes of them in his house. Check our website for his number. He will be at Hoov around 4-5 I guess.
Also, Lorax might be out at Griggs later tonight and I think he has some.

count me in. Mike Robinson #24414

Now that pools are posted we are ready to rock with this! Santoro and I are arriving sometime Saturday afternoon (we hope). If you don't see one of us on Saturday night (umm, where's the bar?), then we will make sure we are somewhere easy to find on Sunday. Maybe we'll post something on here, if I can get a replacement hard drive for my laptop in time (don't ask, I lost all the stuff I had just installed, plus my PokerStars software. HDD crashed while I was playing as well).

WooHoo! A 5+ stroke handicap. Sounds good to me. Two chances to whup Girlie in the same timeframe. Its all good. :)

10.24 for me baby - don't count your chickens just yet... ;)

:D

Mark, are you jumping in the pool as well? Don't forget your swimmies!

Bad News
The women are now playing different courses than the MA1 and MM1 divisions.

Eventhough MA1 and MM1 are playing the same courses, It will be friday before the number of courses played and same courses played matches.
MA1 and MM1 play different courses for the finals on Saturday.

It will be very difficult to keep meaningful running stats unless the scores are organized by course.

The table shows the order of play for each division by course.

<font color="blue">Mon</font> - <font color="red">Tue</font> - <font color="green">Wed</font> - <font color="orange">Thu</font> - <font color="brown">Fri</font>
<table border="1"><tr><td>Pool</td><td>BC</td><td>CM</td><td>CM</td><td>DM</td><td>DM</td><td>EW</td><td>GV</td><td>WR
</td></tr><tr><td>G(MA1)</td><td><font color="blue">1</font></td><td><font color="red">3</font></td><td><font color="orange">7</font></td><td><font color="blue">2</font></td><td><font color="green">4</font></td><td><font color="brown">8</font></td><td><font color="orange">6</font></td><td><font color="green">5</font>
</td></tr><tr><td>H(MA1)</td><td><font color="red">3</font></td><td><font color="blue">2</font></td><td><font color="green">4</font></td><td><font color="blue">1</font></td><td><font color="green">5</font></td><td><font color="orange">7</font></td><td><font color="brown">8</font></td><td><font color="orange">6</font>
</td></tr><tr><td>I(MA1)</td><td><font color="blue">1</font></td><td><font color="red">3</font></td><td><font color="green">5</font></td><td><font color="red">2</font></td><td><font color="orange">6</font></td><td><font color="green">4</font></td><td><font color="brown">8</font></td><td><font color="brown">7</font>
</td></tr><tr><td>J(MA1)</td><td><font color="red">2</font></td><td><font color="blue">1</font></td><td><font color="brown">8</font></td><td><font color="red">3</font></td><td><font color="brown">7</font></td><td><font color="orange">5</font></td><td><font color="orange">6</font></td><td><font color="green">4</font>
</td></tr><tr><td>K(MM1)</td><td><font color="blue">2</font></td><td><font color="red">3</font></td><td><font color="orange">6</font></td><td><font color="green">5</font></td><td><font color="orange">7</font></td><td><font color="blue">1</font></td><td><font color="red">4</font></td><td><font color="brown">8</font>
</td></tr><tr><td>L(MM1)</td><td><font color="red">4</font></td><td><font color="blue">1</font></td><td><font color="green">5</font></td><td><font color="orange">6</font></td><td><font color="brown">8</font></td><td><font color="blue">2</font></td><td><font color="red">3</font></td><td><font color="orange">7</font></tr></td></table>

Just wanted to post a list that included pool assignments. Also included the last three requests.

<table border="1">
<tr><th colspan="6">Updated List</th></tr>
<tr><th>Pool</th><th>First</th><th>Last</th><th>PDGA #</th><th>Rating</th><th>Handicap</th></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ffffdd"><td>I</td><td>Brian</td><td>Berman</td><td>20801</td><td>914</td><td>0.08</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ddffdd"><td>L</td><td>Theo</td><td>Pozzy</td><td>14166</td><td>914</td><td>0.08</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ffdddd"><td>K</td><td>Russ</td><td>Corey</td><td>3523</td><td>911</td><td>0.32</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ddffdd"><td>L</td><td>Gary</td><td>Duke</td><td>9426</td><td>911</td><td>0.32</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ffddff"><td>H</td><td>Mike</td><td>Robinson</td><td>24414</td><td>907</td><td>0.64</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ddddff"><td>J</td><td>Ed</td><td>Schroer</td><td>13727</td><td>907</td><td>0.64</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ddffff"><td>G</td><td>Matt</td><td>Kelly</td><td>22203</td><td>898</td><td>1.36</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ffffdd"><td>I</td><td>Eric</td><td>Sayban</td><td>19747</td><td>895</td><td>1.60</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ddffdd"><td>L</td><td>Rob</td><td>Kelly</td><td>21143</td><td>893</td><td>1.76</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ffdddd"><td>K</td><td>Dave</td><td>Prue</td><td>9360</td><td>893</td><td>1.76</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ddffff"><td>G</td><td>Steve</td><td>Ganz</td><td>21439</td><td>884</td><td>2.48</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ddddff"><td>J</td><td>Dan</td><td>Howard</td><td>19105</td><td>881</td><td>2.72</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ddffff"><td>G</td><td>Jason</td><td>Haas</td><td>17524</td><td>880</td><td>2.80</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ddffdd"><td>L</td><td>Bob</td><td>Webster</td><td>16560</td><td>864</td><td>4.08</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ddddff"><td>J</td><td>Jim</td><td>Santoro</td><td>20138</td><td>850</td><td>5.20</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#ddffdd"><td>L</td><td>Mark</td><td>Atwood</td><td>16523</td><td>850</td><td>5.20</td></tr>
<tr><th colspan="6">-</th></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#dddddd"><td>F</td><td>Amy</td><td>Haas</td><td>18864</td><td>807</td><td>8.64</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#dddddd"><td>F</td><td>Lindsay</td><td>Merce</td><td>20573</td><td>787</td><td>10.24</td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#dddddd"><td>F</td><td>Christa</td><td>Webster</td><td>17996</td><td>763</td><td>12.16</td></tr>
</table>

Wouldn't double post, but this wouldn't post properly with both tables in one post.

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Does this mean we're out? :(

You are the one that pointed out the change in courses to me.

I don't know how it should be handled.
Do we have SSAs for all the courses ?
Can we make accurate course adjustments for the courses we don't all play ?
Are you in the pool based on the four courses we share ?
Which one takes precedence ?

I can think of several things that can be done, but I am not running this.

It probably doesn't make sense if we aren't all playing the same courses anymore :(. Oh well, I still have my chance at MarkA! :D

You are the one that pointed out the change in courses to me.

I don't know how it should be handled.
Do we have SSAs for all the courses ?
Can we make accurate course adjustments for the courses we don't all play ?
Are you in the pool based on the four courses we share ?
Which one takes precedence ?

I can think of several things that can be done, but I am not running this.



Everyone, by all means, feel free to post your thoughts on this. The change kinda bites, if you ask me, but I'm sure Mark is breathing a sigh of relief now that his skirt challenge has been voided. :D

If MM1 and MA1 are going to be even (course-wise) by Friday then we are fine. We won't really have much of a running total until then across divisions, but at least the numbers will work out at the end. That means we would have to pay out on Sat morning, before some of us start our trip back home, however.

As far as the women go, that I'm not sure about. We could just compare scores on common courses, but if it's only 4, well, that's kinda lame if you ask me. We could make it a "# of strokes above/below the course SSA" thing, but I'm not sure if that is really sound from a statistics standpoint (I was a history major for my brief college career).

What were your thoughts, Gary? Jim? Mark? Lindsay? Jason? Steve? Johnboy?

Everyone, by all means, feel free to post your thoughts on this. The change kinda bites, if you ask me, but I'm sure Mark is breathing a sigh of relief now that his skirt challenge has been voided. :D



The much anticipated Skirt Match is still on, Dan.

How much is this party anyway ?
$10, $20, $5 a round?

We could let the women in, and only compare the courses we have in common. This brings up several problems.

If woman A beats woman B in over all score, but looses on the shared courses, which win takes precedence.

If Woman A beats Man C on the four shared courses does she finish ahead of him overall ?

Does everyone bring a sweet disc to donate to the Women that had wanted to join our group to express our regret that it is no longer practical for them to be involved our little side bet?

Jason I need you to contact me about getting my disc. 614-565-2948, as I don't have your info.
Thanks

IMO if we're not going to be playing all the same courses it just doesn't make sense for us to be in on the side bet.

I'm okay - MarkA's in a skirt! ;)

FYI. The Skirt Match will be on Friday, August 6th at 10AM at Ewing Park :D come on out and see it for yourself!

I know you are trying to put Mark in a skirt, are you gonna put me in a shirt at the same time ?

:o

Gary I'm so sorry, I don't have your Team ROC shirt! :(

The shirt will have to follow you home to Texas, but lunch is still on me! :)

Does everyone bring a sweet disc to donate to the Women that had wanted to join our group to express our regret that it is no longer practical for them to be involved our little side bet?



Sure, but I think I'd have a problem because mine is much larger than they're used to, and might feel uncomfortable.

My disc, that is. :D

Geez, I'd like to nominate me for most juvenile post of the day.

I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks, but it sure does seem like the women are out of the picture as far as the pool goes. We can always break it up into:

Pool A - all MA1 and MM1 (provided they still play the same courses by EOD on Friday)

Pool B - all MA1, MM1, and FA1 (or whatever the code is) for the score total on the 4 common courses/rounds.

The logistics of that (if we keep the scratch prizes and handicap prizes) are more than I think we'd want to take on, however. I'd vote that if we want to do it the above way, we limit payout to top 1/3 of entrants, handicap ONLY.

Thoughts?

Oh, and I was sorta serious about the disc thing. Most women I've played with throw 150 class for drivers and such, so will they really be interested in a 175 Beast? How bout we just buy a round or 2 for them at the local watering hole/snack bar?

A separate pool by handicaps sounds reasonable.

If the scores per round are posted each night, I can have the information posted each evening if I have no problems getting online while in Des Moines.

I still need to know what the buy in is for each pool/person.

A dollar!

Schedule for mixed pool.

<font color="blue">Mon</font> - <font color="red">Tue</font> - <font color="green">Wed</font> - <font color="orange">Thu</font> - <font color="brown">Fri</font>

<table border="1"><tr><td>Pool</td><td>BC</td><td>EW</td><td>GV</td><td>WR
</td></tr><tr><td>F(FW1)</td><td><font color="orange">4</font></td><td><font color="green">3</font></td><td><font color="green">2</font></td><td><font color="blue">1
</td></tr><tr><td>G(MA1)</td><td><font color="blue">1</font></td><td><font color="brown">4</font></td><td><font color="orange">3</font></td><td><font color="green">2
</td></tr><tr><td>H(MA1)</td><td><font color="red">1</font></td><td><font color="orange">3</font></td><td><font color="brown">4</font></td><td><font color="orange">2
</td></tr><tr><td>I(MA1)</td><td><font color="blue">1</font></td><td><font color="green">2</font></td><td><font color="brown">3</font></td><td><font color="brown">4
</td></tr><tr><td>J(MA1)</td><td><font color="red">1</font></td><td><font color="orange">3</font></td><td><font color="red">4</font></td><td><font color="green">2
</td></tr><tr><td>K(MM1)</td><td><font color="blue">2</font></td><td><font color="blue">1</font></td><td><font color="red">3</font></td><td><font color="brown">4
</td></tr><tr><td>L(MM1)</td><td><font color="red">3</font></td><td><font color="blue">1</font></td><td><font color="red">2</font></td><td><font color="orange">4</tr></td></table>

Gary, the buy in is $20

Dan,


How bout we just buy a round or 2 for them at the local watering hole/snack bar?




I like it! :D

If we have 2 pools, how many people would be in for the mixed pool too (requires separate buy in)?

Payout handicapped scores only at 40%,30%,20%,& 10%

Here's another thought. We go with the 2 pools as stated, but make the pool that includes the women 100% handicap, not 80%? This way we have a chance of different people winning, instead of what could easily be the same 3 or 4 peeps taking both. And we can make it $10 for each, a little more affordable for those on a tight budget (in case I don't do as well as expected at the casino).

I think 40/30/20/10 won't pay out deep enough. We might want to go 30/22/18/15/8/7 or something closer to that.

That does equal 100, right?

We could just use the PDGA payout charts.

The way it stands now 40/30/20/10 would pay 100% of the field since only 4 people are in the second pool.

How much are we talking now? I already have like $400 in entry fees invested in this trip.

Whoa... go away from the board for 24 hours and 30 posts later... I would love to include the women, but statistically speaking, managing the four non-common courses could get ugly. The SSAs may be the same (I haven't looked yet) but I don't what all yer feelings are.. that could get kinda cluggie. We could have a second pool which only did those four rounds... question now is what to charge for each pool... $20 bucks a pool starts to get expensive... we could say 10 for each pool (so to play both would be the $20)... leave the handicaps as they are. Payouts could stay the same (top 4 handicaps in each) but only payout handicap for 4 Round Pool (Amy would kill me if I called it the B pool.) ... somebody suggested 40/30/20/10 % for top 4... I'm game for that... the previous payout would apply to the 8 Round Pool where both handicap and scratch get paid... unless we want same for both...

Let's hear some noise...
-J

"kludge"


Bring some DBoDs to give me, Haas. :cool:

"kludge"


Bring some DBoDs to give me, Haas. :cool:


Great... I'm taking spelling lessons from Rhett now... next, golf lessons... the world is coming to an end... :D

Cluggie... sounds like a bad cough or some nasty rash.

Yeah, I've got your DBoD right here :cool::D

Weren't you paying attention ?

We are not trying to manage the 4 non-common courses anymore.
To include the women we are starting a second pool that covers the 4 common courses and ignores the 4 non-common courses.

Separate pool, separate buy-in

The results will be figured using only the handicap adjusted scores.

It has been suggested that the handicaps be figured at 100%, from several years of handicapped club play, I feel that gives the lower handicapped players too much advantage.

Results page is up at http://www.lsdga.com/w2004sub915.php

You guys are really confusing me. How about $10 for the 8 round pool with previously stated payouts (w/ 80% handicap & scratch scores) and $10 for the 4 common round pool (80% handicap only paying 40-30-20-10) so that we can include the ladies and so the Haas family doubles their chances of cashing.

If any of this has been proposed before please ignore me as I have a bit of ADD. :p

Let's do 2 pools:

One for MA1 and MM1 using all the courses (again, assuming the sked stays the same and both divisions play the same courses the same number of times). $10 entry, paying top 4 in the 40/30/20/10. 80% handicap.

Second, also $10, for just the 4 courses that are common to the women and men. I would prefer 100% handicap on this one, because I'd like to see someone else win it, especially if it's someone that doesn't normally cash (i.e. a lower rated player).

Besides, it's only $10.

The 'Premium Local Tourney Or Club Or Group Or Organization Or Priory of Sion Stamped' Disc swap is still on. Get your disc(s) to me or Jim Santoro or anyone who knows us (trust me, you all will by Friday) before Friday and we will place them in a box. On Friday we will all get together and pick a disc from the box. Randomly. Hopefully, everyone will pick a different disc than the one they brought. You do NOT have to be in the Sub-915 pool to participate in this fun, exciting, community-building event.

I would prefer 100% handicap on this one, because I'd like to see someone else win it, especially if it's someone that doesn't normally cash (i.e. a lower rated player).



Dan don't sugar coat it, I know who you're talking about. And don't worry I'll be taking a little cash from you in our non-handicapped sidebet.

Jim, I like your new sig. We'll both be trying real hard to live up to it as two 850 rated players in a division of 122 with only 3 players lower.


...no pressure though. :)


Are you bringing an axe?

So who is in both pools, Who is in only one pool.
I'll be glad to track it all on-line, but I don't do the money thing.

Are you bringing an axe?



Do you mean the kind that I could use to make sure that I don't come in last (I would make sure it was used on an unecessary limb) ;)

I hope to be able to fit an acoustic in the Grand Am that Dan & I are renting for the trip out.

Thanks, Gary, I am in for both.

I'll nominate Santoro to handle the money. He is an accountant, and he's married to one as well. I'm not sure what that really means, other than a lifetime of bullying for his kids.

Are you bringing an axe?



Do you mean the kind that I could use to make sure that I don't come in last (I would make sure it was used on an unecessary limb) ;)



Yeah, but who's unecessary limb is in danger? :)

I'm hoping to put my Ovation in the Pontiac of Gary's that I'm riding in too, but I don't know if there's room. It also ends in "Am" but is considerably more cramped for space than the "Grand" version. :)

Mark, I just put new strings on my acoustic last night, so Jim and I plan on perfecting our 3 part harmony version of Bridge Over Troubled Water for the entire 17 hours out to Des Moines. Gonna be tough, since there's only 2 of us, but one of his other personalities will jump in when possible.

Can you bring one of your demo CDs as well?

So who is in both pools, Who is in only one pool.
I'll be glad to track it all on-line, but I don't do the money thing.



I'm in both. Put Laurie and Megan in the added pool.


I think the accountant line that was dropped above deserves to be commended as "very funny"! :)

Awesome!

Yeah, I'll burn one for ya.

I think the accountant line that was dropped above deserves to be commended as "very funny"! :)



Please don't encourage him.

I'm in for both, but is the co-ed pool 100% or 80% handicap?

If nobody else wants to I'll handle the money I guess.

I believe that the same Standard Deviation stuff that will supposedly make me a lock for the OMB semis will also make me a lock for "no chance whatsoever to place in the hadicap pools".

But I'm still in, because I'm an Am and I compete for the joy of competition. :)

I'm in for both, but is the co-ed pool 100% or 80% handicap?



The tables on-line now show 80% handicaps in the MA1/MM1 pool
and 100% hcaps in the mixed pool.

Let me know if this needs to be changed. It makes it pretty hard for any low handicapper to win.

http://www.lsdga.com/w2004sub915.php

I don't think I typed that.

You didn't.

What.....

Are we supposed to click the post we are responding to and not just the closest one ?

Who made up that rule ?

Why aren't you and Skirty entered in any field events?

'cause we don't field like it.

wot aboot dubs?

We are bringing half of the first place and half of the last place World Doubles teams. What you got ?

Duh.......I keep forgetting that divisional dubs aren't part of Worlds anymore.

Or maybe I was thinking you two should be playing mixed, what with Marka in a skirt... :)

It's a long story, but we're getting there on Saturday and hece missing dubs.

Gary,

I'm in for both and Amy is in for the 4 rounder.

Are you going to be tracking all of this stuff online during worlds? Will you also be doing the round/total calculations to post nightly?

If so, let me know.

Thanks!

- J


The tables on-line now show 80% handicaps in the MA1/MM1 pool
and 100% hcaps in the mixed pool.

Let me know if this needs to be changed. It makes it pretty hard for any low handicapper to win.

http://www.lsdga.com/w2004sub915.php

That is the plan.

As long as I can get the scores and get online with out any problems, everything will be updated nightly.

That is the plan.

As long as I can get the scores and get online with out any problems, everything will be updated nightly.



If you are in the Sheraton, there's wireless access. Theo told me he had no problems with it a couple weeks ago when he was there.

But I'm not in the Sheraton.

Gary, I'm at the Sheraton and will have a laptop, we can probably work something out.

I shouldn't have any problem getting connected from my hotel, it just won't be high speed.

Why aren't you and Skirty entered in any field events?



Skirty? Don't you think that's a bit premature?

premature,

After this past weekends exploits ?

Better remember to bring a fresh razor.

Gary, if you want to save on the phone bill let me know, me casa es su casa por the right amount of cervesas.

I'm not sure which would be worse. Mark wearing the skirt, or Mark shaving his legs and wearing the skirt. I mean, wearing the skirt is one thing, a bet's been lost, take it like a man, yada yada yada. But, de-hirsutifying the legs as well? I see issues with that one.

premature,

After this past weekends exploits ?

Better remember to bring a fresh razor.




Just trying to give Girlie a little glimmer of hope to keep her spirits up, that's all.

Gary, who do I see about paying for this sub 915 pool? I hope they're at the Sheraton. We share the same rating so it will be fun comparing scores. See ya in a day. Russ3523 :cool:

Russ, as long as Gary knows you're in, see either myself or Jim Santoro (since we are rooming together at the Sheraton and he worships the ground I walk on, he will be following me around the whole week).

We are leaving NY tonight, arriving Sat. afternoon, look for me to post a room number on Saturday night after a nap.

Will do, Dan. We should be arriving at the Sheraton sometime early Sat. morning or afternoon, depending on how the drive goes tonight. Will be in one of the five suites, not sure which one at this time. Don't know if I'll have access to a pc once I arrive, but I'll find ya. I'm on the list, btw. Have a good trip. Russ3523 :cool:

Ok, we can be found at the host hotel (Sheraton, really nice) in room 405 if you want to drop off a disc for the swap (remember, grab bag pickup is on Friday), or pay your entry for the 2 pools.

I will be out at at least 2 courses (TBD), plus watching the field events tomorrow wearing a NY Giants home blue #80 Shockey jersey, if you want to say hi and give me your entry that's fine too.

Here's who has either paid up, or dropped off a disc so far:

Discs:
Dan Howard
Jim Santoro
Lindsay 'Girlie' Merce
Rob Kelly

80% Pool (all 8 rounds)
Brian Berman
Rhett Stroh
Jim Santoro
Dan Howard
Rob Kelly

100% Pool (4 courses)
Lindsay Merce
Brian Berman
Rhett Stroh
Megan (Meghan?) Stroh
Laurie Stroh
Jim Santoro
Dan Howard
Rob Kelly

I have promises from Jason and Amy Haas, but no cash or discs :)

TOmorrow we are playing Carroll Marty in the a.m. (getting breakfast at 8, hitting the course after that) and Big Creek after that. Look for us, or leave a message at room 405. We would like to see the distance finals, so we most likely will be there, look for the incredibly handsome guy in the Jeremy Shockey jersey. Then look for the other guy in the Shockey jersey, that'll be Dan.

Hey Dan, if you guys are still up we've got $70 dollars for ya.

Steve, no, we're not up. :)

Jason has my disc. :D

OK, major connection issues here. Women play short tees on Big Creek (that course is torture), so 100% pool is now just 3 rounds, not 4.

80% Pool:
Brian Berman
Rhett Stroh
Jim Santoro
Dan Howard
Rob Kelly
Jason Haas
Steve Ganz
Theo Pozzy
Matt Kelly
Brad Bollen

100% Pool:
Lindsay Merce
Brian Berman
Rhett Stroh
Megan Stroh
Laurie Stroh
Jim Santoro
Dan Howard
Rob Kelly
Amy Haas
Jason Haas

Discs from all over the country here, if you have a NEW prime plastic local stamped disc you'd like to swap then bring it to us or call us at room 405 in the host hotel.

I did not have my Shockey jersey at the players meeting because I wore it to Big Creek and Carroll marty and it was all sweaty. Really, trust me on this one.

Gary, you out there?

Add Ed Schroer to the 80% list.
Maybe Eric Sayban too, if we can find him.

Women play short tees on Big Creek (that course is torture)



I made the decision NOT to go to Iowa partly on the online tour of the Big Creek course. The other courses look fantastic but the rough at Big Creek looks horrendous. Additionally, it seems as though many holes feature "up-and-over" routes that favor big arms tremendously. I don't have that in my game, that's for sure.

Jeff, when I said Big Creek was torture, I should have clarified. It is torture if you can't throw a super accurate straight shot. I can't throw a super accurate straight shot. I'm not that good at a super accurate crooked shot, now that I think of it.

Big arms have no advantage on that course at all. Yondo threw a +3 in practice the other day, just using a Roc off the tee 90% of the time. I had a lot of success in the later part of my practice round with just a Cobra. I did go over the top a few times with thumbers, but anyone trying to cut corners with a big hyzer is playing with fire, for sure.

It's a fair course, and definitely rewards the 'technical' golfer. The rough is brutal, and a few times I felt like I was unjustifiably spanked (2-3 feet can be the difference between a 3 and a 4), but c'est la vie.

The other courses (that we've seen so far) are very cool, and worth the 17 hour drive. Me shooting a 64 today, however, was not worth the drive. :(

Rodney and I traded some PMs about Big Creek today. He actually helped to design the course. I don't want to paste the text of those messages here without his permission, but suffice it to say that I have a better understanding that

1) The entire course does not play through the thick brush. 7 holes play in a more open area with mature trees. They did the best they could with the land available, most of which was wasteland.

2) A thumber is more effective here than just a big hyzer over the trees, which is also not available on many tees. Apparently in the last tournament there, the top round was turned in by someone throwing thumber on a majority of the trouble holes.

3) A good score can be had by throwing a short straight mid-range off the tee on most holes. While this is effective and good golf sense, it can also be tedious and simply not a lot of fun.

so did the masters play big creek first today?

Masters pool K played it last today. Advanced G and I played it first and 2nd.

Other than the poison ivy, I think Big Creek is a great course. I played it on Saturday and played it +18. That's why I'm here in Iowa as a Worlds TD, and not as a player! Jon don't got game. :D

Big Creek is not bad if you play controll golf. Pete Middlecamp is the one who ripped it up at the Desmoines Challnege this spring with the tommie. If you have an accurate tommie it is a great tool. For those that dont... If you use your Roc, MRV, Wasp Buzz etc... and pick you lanes and spots to lay up to, accept 3's as a good score on a 380 foot hole, you can play o.k. The lone excpetion being the 800 foot "thing" on the back 9 which is madness anyway you play. There are some duecable open holes as well to help bad your score when you get into the shule laden heart of the course.

Dan,

Mark Atwood should be on the list as well (both pools), forgot to give you his money.

What about Dave Prue, Mike Robinson, Russ Corey, and Bob Webster ?

Are all of the women on the web page in?

http://www.lsdga.com/w2004sub915.php

Played BIg Creek first thing this morning, and even though I didn't score well, I will say that I like the course. It's punishing if you miss the fairway, but there are deuceable holes (of which I only got one) and as said above, control golf is where it's at. I got a drop in 5 on the monster hole, so I was happy with that. DMACC is a really tough course in the wind, but has a lot more chances for 2s to make up for that.

Gary, here's the list of who paid, I think we have to write off the others, they didn't see us to confirm.

80%
Brian Berman
Rhett Stroh
Jim Santoro
Dan Howard
Rob Kelly
Jason Haas
Steve Ganz
Theo Pozzy
Matt Kelly
Brad Bollen
Ed Schroer (2x the spelling on that one)
Gary Duke

100%
Lindsay Merce
Brian Berman
Rhett Stroh
Megan Stroh
Laurie Stroh
Jim Santoro
Dan Howard
Rob Kelly
Amy Haas
Gary Duke

Dave Prue gave us a disc for the swap, but didn't get in the pool. We have 10 discs in the pool, anyone who wants in call 405 or see someone who knows us.

Everyone remember the disc pickup will be Friday night (Jim and I will almost certainly be playing 2 rounds on Friday, so we won't get back to the hotel till 6:45 prolly.

BTW, the gumbo at the Nascar cafe across the street is pretty durn spicy.

Am I in the disc swap, you guys should have my disc. :confused:

Yup Adam, Jason dropped yours off.

What pool was Brad Bollen in the first 2 days ?

Gary, Brad was (and still is in) the J pool.

Nice going Dan...time to change your signature....you are shooting above your rating in every round....keep it up

Rob, there is a flaw in the round ratings calculation so those numbers are not completely accurate. I know the first round (64 at Carroll Marty) is definitely NOT going to be above my rating (I'd guess 840ish). 2nd and third might be close, I felt pretty good about the 62 at DMACC 'cause I finished with birds on 3 out of the last 4, but there were parts of that round that will certainly not make the highlight films.

From Competition Director Dave Nesbitt: (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=PDGA Tournament Info&Number=222465&Searchpage=0&Main=164036&Search=true&#Post222465)

- Forget about the Round Ratings. There is a glitch in the on-line system with dual pools, which we hope to correct in the next few days. Until then, be patient here.

Didn't I just say that? :confused:

Yes, but I provided the link showing definitive proof from a PDGA official.

Thanks Dan now get me something COOL :cool:

Look on the board down near the score wall in the host hotel for info. If we can get scores early enough on Friday we'd like to pay people out then, since Santoro and I are leaving early on Saturday.

Disc swap will be Friday night at room 405, if you can't make it then please call us or let someone know that can pick up a disc for you.

<table border="1"><tr><td> Name</td><td>PDGA#</td><td>Div</td><td>Rating</td><td>H-cap</td><td>EW</td><td>GV</td><td>WR</td><td>Total</td><td>Payout
</td></tr><tr><td>Rob Kelly</td><td></td><td>MM1</td><td>893</td><td>2.2</td><td>58.8</td><td>51.8</td><td>64.8</td><td>175.4</td><td>40
</td></tr><tr><td>Dan Howard</td><td>19105</td><td>MA1</td><td>881</td><td>3.4</td><td>63.6</td><td>53.6</td><td>64.6</td><td>181.8</td><td>30
</td></tr><tr><td>Rhett Stroh</td><td>14540</td><td>MM1</td><td>914</td><td>0.1</td><td>61.9</td><td>54.9</td><td>65.9</td><td>182.7</td><td>20
</td></tr><tr><td>Jim Santoro</td><td>20138</td><td>MA1</td><td>850</td><td>6.5</td><td>64.5</td><td>54.5</td><td>68.5</td><td>187.5</td><td>10
</td></tr><tr><td>Lindsay Merce</td><td>20573</td><td>FW1</td><td>787</td><td>12.8</td><td>64.2</td><td>56.2</td><td>67.2</td><td>187.6</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Gary Duke</td><td>9426</td><td>MM1</td><td>911</td><td>0.4</td><td>67.6</td><td>55.6</td><td>65</td><td>188.2</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Laurie Stroh</td><td>19717</td><td>FW1</td><td>730</td><td>18.5</td><td>68.5</td><td>52.5</td><td>72.5</td><td>193.5</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Amy Haas</td><td>18864</td><td>FW1</td><td>807</td><td>10.8</td><td>68.2</td><td>52.2</td><td>73.2</td><td>193.6</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Brian Berman</td><td>20801</td><td>MA1</td><td>914</td><td>0.1</td><td>69.9</td><td>64</td><td>63.9</td><td>197.8</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Megan Stroh</td><td>15918</td><td>FW1</td><td>800</td><td>11.5</td><td>69.5</td><td>58.5</td><td>71.5</td><td>199.5</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

Here are the results of the 100% pool. Only the 3 common courses that counted, Ewing, Grandview, and Walnut Ridge. We are waiting on numbers for the 80% pool. Rob Kelly had that one locked as well, but it's close for 2 thru 4 between Steve Ganz, Ed Schroer, Matt Kelly, and Rhett Stroh.

I'm still waiting in I & J pool scores.

<table border="1"><tr><td> Name</td><td>PDGA#</td><td>Division</td><td>Rd 1</td><td>Rd 2</td><td>Rd 3</td><td>Rd 4</td><td>Rd 5</td><td>Rd 6</td><td>Rd 7</td><td>Rd 8</td><td>Total</td><td>H-Cap</td><td>Total H-Cap</td><td>Net Score</td><td>Payout
</td></tr><tr><td>Rob Kelly</td><td>21143</td><td>MM1</td><td>61</td><td>54</td><td>50</td><td>68</td><td>58</td><td>61</td><td>54</td><td>67</td><td>473</td><td>1.76</td><td>14.08</td><td>458.92</td><td>48
</td></tr><tr><td>Steve Ganz</td><td>21439</td><td>MA1</td><td>64</td><td>57</td><td>59</td><td>64</td><td>58</td><td>63</td><td>65</td><td>54</td><td>484</td><td>2.48</td><td>19.84</td><td>464.16</td><td>36
</td></tr><tr><td>Ed Schroer</td><td>13727</td><td>MA1</td><td>63</td><td>59</td><td>57</td><td>60</td><td>62</td><td>65</td><td>51</td><td>59</td><td>476</td><td>0.64</td><td>5.12</td><td>470.88</td><td>24
</td></tr><tr><td>Matt Kelly</td><td>22203</td><td>MA1</td><td>60</td><td>59</td><td>55</td><td>66</td><td>58</td><td>66</td><td>63</td><td>56</td><td>483</td><td>1.36</td><td>10.88</td><td>472.12</td><td>12
</td></tr><tr><td>Rhett Stroh</td><td>14540</td><td>MM1</td><td>64</td><td>55</td><td>54</td><td>66</td><td>56</td><td>62</td><td>55</td><td>66</td><td>478</td><td>0.08</td><td>0.64</td><td>477.36</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Gary Duke</td><td>9426</td><td>MM1</td><td>58</td><td>57</td><td>54</td><td>67</td><td>60</td><td>68</td><td>56</td><td>65</td><td>485</td><td>0.32</td><td>2.56</td><td>482.44</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Brian Berman</td><td>20801</td><td>MA1</td><td>61</td><td>59</td><td>60</td><td>64</td><td>53</td><td>70</td><td>64</td><td>54</td><td>485</td><td>0.08</td><td>0.64</td><td>484.36</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Dan Howard</td><td>19105</td><td>MA1</td><td>64</td><td>66</td><td>61</td><td>62</td><td>68</td><td>67</td><td>57</td><td>68</td><td>513</td><td>2.72</td><td>21.76</td><td>491.24</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Brad Bollen</td><td>18065</td><td>MA1</td><td>77</td><td>66</td><td>56</td><td>58</td><td>61</td><td>69</td><td>59</td><td>71</td><td>517</td><td>1.92</td><td>15.36</td><td>501.64</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Theo Pozzy</td><td>14166</td><td>MM1</td><td>66</td><td>56</td><td>58</td><td>72</td><td>64</td><td>66</td><td>58</td><td>65</td><td>505</td><td>0.08</td><td>0.64</td><td>504.36</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Jim Santoro</td><td>20138</td><td>MA1</td><td>78</td><td>64</td><td>60</td><td>74</td><td>64</td><td>71</td><td>61</td><td>75</td><td>547</td><td>5.2</td><td>41.6</td><td>505.4</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>Jason Haas</td><td>17524</td><td>MA1</td><td>73</td><td>64</td><td>59</td><td>77</td><td>70</td><td>79</td><td>58</td><td>80</td><td>560</td><td>2.8</td><td>22.4</td><td>537.6</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td> </tr></td></table>

OK, 80% numbers are in. Congratulations to all you lucky winners out there!! Please see either me or Santoro for yo' chedda', or Jason Haas on Saturday since we are leaving early.

Not that it matters to payout, but Brian shot a 54 at GV not the 64 that shows in the 100% pool. That puts him in 6th in that pool.

I would like to thank all that played (and payed :D) and traded discs! This was my 1st Worlds and I don't think I could have picked a better one!

Big thanks to Dan and Jim for making this happen. It was really nice to cash! I'm hoping that I won't be eligible for this pool next year. ;)

It was nice meeting everybody and I hope to cross paths with you all again. Congrats to Rob "my next rating is going to be higher than 915" Kelly for taking our money.

Jim

Congrats Rob... I told you that you were the 'UNDERDOG'... great playing all week....

Congrats to Rob "my next rating is going to be higher than 915" Kelly for taking our money.

Jim



Yeah, just a bit. Rob is now rated at 929. Bagger!!!!!