Frisbee golf is fun to play in light 5-15 mph breeze. Here in Oklahoma that is a different story. 80% of our spring days have winds in excess of 20 mph. I am having problems judging the strength of midrange throws and driving into head on hurricane gusts.... Any tips?? :confused:

Head wind = throw over stable discs.

Putt high with a tailwind and low with a headwind. When it's really bad you can turn your disc upside down when you throw it for total wind resistance. Same goes for drives, go with heavy overstable into a headwind and light understable with a tailwind. And be careful letting the wind get under your disc on the midrange shots and you should be alright... :D

Throw a Z Predator for drives, a Z Wasp for approaches, and a Challenger for putts. Confidence in what your disc is going to do is key to playing in the wind. These discs will not turn over.

Sanpper's Tips on playing in the wind:

Keep it low.

Reduce expectations.

Did you read through these other "wind advice" threads?

Thread 1 (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Throwing%20Techniques&Number=157753&Searchpage=0&Main=153656&Search=true&#Post157753)
Thread 2 (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Throwing%20Techniques&Number=120859&Searchpage=0&Main=118851&Search=true&#Post120859)
Thread 3 (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Throwing%20Techniques&Number=66878&Searchpage=0&Main=66878&Search=true&#Post66878)

Want to improve your wind game? Play Berkeley :D

Frisbee golf is fun to play in light 5-15 mph breeze. Here in Oklahoma that is a different story. 80% of our spring days have winds in excess of 20 mph. I am having problems judging the strength of midrange throws and driving into head on hurricane gusts.... Any tips?? :confused:


Well..........if it's too windy.........try MTA.....Yea !!!!!!! :D

Frisbee golf is fun to play in light 5-15 mph breeze. Here in Oklahoma that is a different story. 80% of our spring days have winds in excess of 20 mph. I am having problems judging the strength of midrange throws and driving into head on hurricane gusts.... Any tips?? :confused:


Keep it low. :D Most will tell you this. It's easy to say and harder to actually do. Practice is key. Something I need to do.

Frisbee golf is fun to play in light 5-15 mph breeze. Here in Oklahoma that is a different story. 80% of our spring days have winds in excess of 20 mph. I am having problems judging the strength of midrange throws and driving into head on hurricane gusts.... Any tips?? :confused:



my 2 cents:
Go with something thats a little more overstable
innova: Banchee, firebird, Monster
discraft: Z-Extreme, Z-Xtra, Z-Pred
Gateway: Speed Demon

for putting tips read ken climos advice on putting in windy conditions

Toss lower and try to get a skip shot to make up any extra distance lost.

Try to play so that you putt with the wind on holes (ie overthrow some holes on purpose to "come back" with favorible wind.

Wehn driving with the wind toss a understable disc and maximize your glide.

My best advice for the wind...a nice heavy Z Talon. nothing is flatter and cuts through the wind better. Stable enough to handly any wind, yet not so overstable that you can't control it. It's also a disc that likes the be thrown low and fast...just the way you need to play in the wind.

My talon is crazy! :-) I have it in X plastic but i can never chunk it in a straight line.... :) That is why i have a JLS disc!

Quic- I agree i have tried throwing low into head winds..... it isn't easy. Also that is why i keep some of my 175 discs.... for the windy days! I will have to check out what Climo says.... :cool:

Another small tip:
Your disc that flies straight when thrown flat will turn over when thrown into a headwind. If you don't have a heavier and/or more stable disc for this situation, throw your disc with some hyzer on it. Not a sweeping hyzer curve, but rather pull the disc straight through but with a hyzer angle. The disc should go straight ahead, and if you've done it right, it will flip up level after a second or two and fly straight ahead.

Hyperdrive

Another small tip:
Your disc that flies straight when thrown flat will turn over when thrown into a headwind. If you don't have a heavier and/or more stable disc for this situation, throw your disc with some hyzer on it. Not a sweeping hyzer curve, but rather pull the disc straight through but with a hyzer angle. The disc should go straight ahead, and if you've done it right, it will flip up level after a second or two and fly straight ahead.

Hyperdrive


Look at you and your Pro -tips. Also like your little rock band :cool: which is the bass ? :eek:

there are multiple theories for headwind putting.

if you are super confidant with your putter you can drill if flat and fast straight at the pole. just dont miss the structure!

another way is to putt it in your normal style, but lower - the headwind will give you lots of lift.

my favorite is to keep the nose UP (yes, the nose UP). throw it nice and soft - that headwind will give the putter incredible lift. basically, you're flying the putter into the basket like a pilot lands a 747 - and those guys ALWAYS land into the wind. try it a few times and if ya get the hang of it, you'll be amazed at how far that putter will glide on a straight line. the advantage with this approach is that if ya miss the structure you're not gonna be 100' past the basket.

whatever you do, just be aware of hyzer putting with cross winds. nothing is more shocking than watching as the wind gets under your soft little putt and sails it 10' over the basket, gaining speed as it goes :(

there are multiple theories for headwind putting.

if you are super confidant with your putter you can drill if flat and fast straight at the pole. just dont miss the structure!

another way is to putt it in your normal style, but lower - the headwind will give you lots of lift.

my favorite is to keep the nose UP (yes, the nose UP). throw it nice and soft - that headwind will give the putter incredible lift. basically, you're flying the putter into the basket like a pilot lands a 747 - and those guys ALWAYS land into the wind. try it a few times and if ya get the hang of it, you'll be amazed at how far that putter will glide on a straight line. the advantage with this approach is that if ya miss the structure you're not gonna be 100' past the basket.

whatever you do, just be aware of hyzer putting with cross winds. nothing is more shocking than watching as the wind gets under your soft little putt and sails it 10' over the basket, gaining speed as it goes :(


No doubt ..........played in Las Vegas when it's super windy :D

Its always windy in oklahoma.

Advice from an Okie:
Its all about disc selection. Go Orc, Monster, or Firebird ( with a little hyser ) and you should be ok.

When you putt either run at it ( when you think you can hit ) or aim for the ground under the basket ( when you know you cant hit )

That should trim some strokes off your total. Did mine anyway.

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The wind is your friend!

I am not an innova fan...... those discs are wierd to me..... :) I have watched my disc fly over the pole and land 30ft from the basket.... it is a sad moment......

I never would have thought to drive with a little hyzer on it for cruise control...... I will just have to get out and practice that..... :cool:

Intead of throwing a midrange into a headwind throw something stable like a firebird of banshee. If you throw a midrange throw it with a lot of hyzer and don't try to throw it real hard.

...Also like your little rock band :cool: which is the bass ? :eek:



Has to be the player on the right, he's a thumping funk bass master.

At a disc golf gathering recently we had steady winds in the upper 30s, and gusts over 50. The Skill-Shots didn't have a chance of standing up and the away player had to stand there and hold the basket. Yea, the Skill-Shots can be staked down, but we didn't have stakes.

The shots were pretty fun and wild to watch. The first player was the wind test dummy, and usually didn't have much of a chance at a good shot. For some of the drives, the line of the drive was about 70� away from the basket. It was very strange to line up the drive completely away from the basket, throw really hard and flat. The moment the disc would start to hyzer it would soar.

Goggles are good in high wind. I like the Clic. (http://www.heavyglare.com/clic/Clic.asp)

My best advice for the wind...a nice heavy Z Talon. nothing is flatter and cuts through the wind better. Stable enough to handly any wind, yet not so overstable that you can't control it. It's also a disc that likes the be thrown low and fast...just the way you need to play in the wind.



Flattest? Have you SEEN an "S" Speed Demon? Flattest disc on the market by far! True, its more overstable than you are trying to describe, but it holds up extremely well in headwinds and L-R crosswinds.

...Also like your little rock band :cool: which is the bass ? :eek:



Has to be the player on the right, he's a thumping funk bass master.


Sweet ! ! ! :cool:

Flattest? Have you SEEN an "S" Speed Demon? Flattest disc on the market by far! True, its more overstable than you are trying to describe, but it holds up extremely well in headwinds and L-R crosswinds.



I had an E speed demon until I threw it unto a creek. It had more dome than my Talons do.

Flattest? Have you SEEN an "S" Speed Demon? Flattest disc on the market by far! True, its more overstable than you are trying to describe, but it holds up extremely well in headwinds and L-R crosswinds.



I had an E speed demon until I threw it unto a creek. It had more dome than my Talons do.



I know, thats why I specified "S"!!!

never played with a speed demon..... is it a gateway disc???

Wind advice. You can learn by playing on windy days.

Rain advice. You can learn by playing on rainy days.


Get outside and do it.

Well Im not much of a discraft fan so I guess we are even.

Hold on, I want to write that down!

I don't know of ANYONE, not even HEARD of anyone that throws Gateway. I was given a speed demon once, and just for crapz and chuckles I threw it. I'll throw any disc at least once. This one made me laugh. Hard. I tried to throw it away, but it didn't go far, so it took me like 3 times to even lose it. Maybe it's the altitude where I live(7000 ft). But I couldn't imagine trying to throw these into ANY kind of wind. I'm not crappin on people who throw Gateway. To each his own. I just don't understand how anyone could actually throw these things past 150 feet.
Is there some sort of secret technique to throwing Gateway successfully? I'm not being sarcastic by any means. Like I said, I'm up for any disc once. Variety is what allows me to keep up with better players, so anything that'll work, I try. Besides, I will soon be going to OK for the Norman Pro-Am, and last time I was there, I suddenly realized(as soon as I got out of my car!) that I hadda lot to learn 'bout the wind!

I don't know of ANYONE, not even HEARD of anyone that throws Gateway. I was given a speed demon once, and just for crapz and chuckles I threw it. I'll throw any disc at least once. This one made me laugh. Hard. I tried to throw it away, but it didn't go far, so it took me like 3 times to even lose it. Maybe it's the altitude where I live(7000 ft). But I couldn't imagine trying to throw these into ANY kind of wind. I'm not crappin on people who throw Gateway. To each his own. I just don't understand how anyone could actually throw these things past 150 feet.
Is there some sort of secret technique to throwing Gateway successfully? I'm not being sarcastic by any means. Like I said, I'm up for any disc once. Variety is what allows me to keep up with better players, so anything that'll work, I try. Besides, I will soon be going to OK for the Norman Pro-Am, and last time I was there, I suddenly realized(as soon as I got out of my car!) that I hadda lot to learn 'bout the wind!



SD's are NOT a long range driver for most. They are however, a good strong hyzer, or a reliable FH disc. As far as wind, no disc holds up better to a headwind. With a SD, you can throw flat into a strong headwind, and get the result you are used to with other discs in deadwind.
As far as never hearing about Gateway, that probably has to do with where you are, and if there are any Gateway guys in the area. BTW, where are you from again?

I never said I had never HEARD of Gateway...just don't know anyone who uses them.And there are ALOT of golfers out here and down in Albuqerque. I used to live in Manchester, MO-just outside St. Louie, about a twenty-five minute drive from their shop. So I know plenty about them.However, I wasn't playin while I lived there, but I knew of them because my brothers played down in OK and they mentioned my living close to their shop,etc.---By the way, I now live in Santa Fe, NM
A.K.A.-the city Indifferent !

I never said I had never HEARD of Gateway...just don't know anyone who uses them.And there are ALOT of golfers out here and down in Albuqerque. I used to live in Manchester, MO-just outside St. Louie, about a twenty-five minute drive from their shop. So I know plenty about them.However, I wasn't playin while I lived there, but I knew of them because my brothers played down in OK and they mentioned my living close to their shop,etc.---By the way, I now live in Santa Fe, NM
A.K.A.-the city Indifferent !



OK, I miss read that part. Well, they are still in buisness, so there must be enough of us out there who like 'em!

Yeah the whole windy / rainy tips are quite useful *oozing sarcasm* but i need constructive advice because i have high temper and just wanna chunk the bag into the nearest body of water when things aren't going my way! For the courses that do not have water i would just bury the bag and drive home! I wanna improve my game to make you guys run for your money!!!! :p

When you're throwing into a headwind, the effect is that the speed of the wind is added to the speed of your disc. So, if you throw 40 mph into a 25 mph headwind, there's 65 mph actually acting on the disc. That's why discs tend to flip into a headwind. You basically need to notch up the stability of the discs you throw into a headwind based on how strong the headwind is.

Or get real and start throwing Gateway Demons. These midrange discs are impervious to wind. A nice new Evo Spirit will not be affected much by the wind, but don't throw the Speed Demon unless there is a hurricane. It is a very specific use drive, like the X-treme.

Learn to love Gateway and it will treat you right. They actually know how to stay consistent between runs. If you like the disc now, you can buy the same one next month (and it will actually fly the same). Unlike the beast, orc, viking, talon, predator, teebird, firebird, xs, or any Discraft or Innova disc. Only the putters stay the same.

Or get real and start throwing Gateway Demons. These midrange discs are impervious to wind. A nice new Evo Spirit will not be affected much by the wind, but don't throw the Speed Demon unless there is a hurricane. It is a very specific use drive, like the X-treme.

Learn to love Gateway and it will treat you right. They actually know how to stay consistent between runs. If you like the disc now, you can buy the same one next month (and it will actually fly the same). Unlike the beast, orc, viking, talon, predator, teebird, firebird, xs, or any Discraft or Innova disc. Only the putters stay the same.



I don't know a whole lot about other companies, but he does have a point. Demons, "H" Spirits, and Speed Demons hold up very well in headwind. Even an Evolution Wizard holds up decent enough! Attend a GDSTour (http://www.gdstour.com) event, and get a chance to throw some Gateway plastic!

never chunked a gateway disc before...... might have to try one..... :D

I thought you said you were a Discraft thrower. Maybe you meant to say "anti-Innova" instead?

When you're throwing into a headwind, the effect is that the speed of the wind is added to the speed of your disc. So, if you throw 40 mph into a 25 mph headwind, there's 65 mph actually acting on the disc. That's why discs tend to flip into a headwind. You basically need to notch up the stability of the discs you throw into a headwind based on how strong the headwind is.



Wouldn't the headwind be working against the disc? Shouldn't it be that a tailwind adds to the speed of the disc? Not sure about this, just my opinion.

Relative airspeed. Sure the headwind will slow the disc down, but the relative speed of the disc is the sum. A tailwind makes for a slower relative airspeed and makes the discs fly more overstable, as if they were flying slower.

Think of it this way: a 10 MPH tailwind is blowing. If you throw your disc 10 MPH, it is travelling the same speed as the wind. The relative airspeed is 0 MPH, and you will see the disc drop out of the sky as if it were standing still. That's how a tail wind knocks a disc down. You can see this when putting with a strong tail-wind since putts fly slower than drives. It's why you have to aim high when putting with a dead-straight tailwind. It's also why your beat-up discs will hyzer out strongly at the end with a tailwind.

DiscinDeadHead:

It all has to do with aerodynamics. The disc flying into the wind will be slowed down somewhat by the oncoming wind,
but its 'airspeed' is higher. This is why airplanes, whenever possible, will always take off (and land) into the wind. Greater airspeed = more lift.With a disc, the wind will create more friction on the flight plate and more lift, which is ultimately why the disc will tend to flip over. The edge that flips up and over will always be the edge that is rotating into the wind. :)

I just think that it is up to the disc and how it wants to be thrown...... and where it wants to go! Believe the science if you want but I think discs are posessed!

I have two innova discs in my bag..... 145 Eagle and 150 dragon! thats it......... all discraft exept my JLS disc! :D

I just think that it is up to the disc and how it wants to be thrown...... and where it wants to go! Believe the science if you want but I think discs are posessed!

I have two innova discs in my bag..... 145 Eagle and 150 dragon! thats it......... all discraft exept my JLS disc! :D



What, no Gateway? :eek: :eek: :D :eek: :eek:

Sad but true..... :) Which gateway disc would you recommend??? the speed demon?

beware that speed demon...it's so overstable you'll walk to the left! The only time mine ever flattened out and flew straight was when I threw it out over a creek wanting it's big hyzer and skip for an ace run.

Are there any super cool gateway discs that i can't live without???

Are there any super cool gateway discs that i can't live without???



Spirits, while stable new, become beefy sweet when worn a bit. No wear needed if you can get a candy one. Plus, Wizards are pretty good. Speed Demons are second to none in the wind, and G6i's are very very long/straight.
Keep an eye out for a new Beast like driver and Roc like midrange early this summer. I use that comparison to better desctibe the disc, because Gateway is innovative and they will not be just copies!

INNOVAtive.

INNOVAtive.


I totally agree !!!!! Throw Innova. It has always done me well !!!

INNOVAtive.


I totally agree !!!!! Throw Innova. It has always done me well !!!



So b/c you play well with Innova, means that you couldn't with Gateway. SHeesh...too many people are loyalists. Try new stuff, you never know.
A few of the Gateway pros threw all Gateway at first for the challenge, liked it, and now they are sponsored.
Innova makes great discs, Gateway makes equally great discs, different molds. My comment was in reference to discs that are the same mold, different name (IE Aviar-Challenger, Roc-MRV etc.)

A ROC and an MRV are not the same mold. A ROC is larger diameter and has a bead while the MRV is smaller and beadless.

i just don't get the better results throwing innova........ I love discraft!!! Which innova discs are recommended???