I guess this is mainly directed to kid_roc who is a huge proponent of them. I love my TeeBirds, but I only throw T's. There's nothing wrong with them, but the way these TL's are described as having the same line but shorter if you throw with less power is absolutely appealing to me for shots between midrange and drivers or just dead straight shots. I'm thinking about picking one up at the next tournament. What weight would you recommend? I'm looking for a dead straight shooter, maybe very slight/gradual anhyzer, just somehting pretty versatile but most importantly straight. I throw a 171 T as my straight driver and a 175 for slightly more hyzer shots if that helps. Of course, a TL would be a nice disc for less than 100% shots. What weight should I go for? Should I go for the disc at all?

I'm selling a few CFR Teebird Glows myself, and don't think you'll have much weight choice. Of all the discs I have in stock my lightest came in at 173 (and there was only one), others came in 174/175, they're quite heavy, I think it has to do with the disc being a glow disc, am not sure... but do prepare to see heavy weights only, unless if someone knows of a light glow CFR disc, do let me know.

Wynne

These are not between mids and drivers. They go FAR!

I understand, but the fact that people say that it flies the same but shorter with less power is very appealing to me. Is that the case? I would use it for long dead straight shots too since it will glide forever.

TL's are just as long or longer than T's, but fly very differently. The T is stright to left, while the TL is for floaty s-curves.

I finally got ahold of a CFR glo TL. I have not got to extensively test it out yet, but I did take it out into a field for an hour or so alongside my normal drivers (Vikings, Champion Teebird, Champion Leopard) for comparison. The disc still seemed very overstable to me, only slightly different than my Champion T. My Vikings were still much straighter and longer for me. I'm going to keep working with the Teebirds, but at this stage of my development in snap/mechanics I get better results from the Leopard/Viking combo than the T/TL.

Shanest,
The TL IS NOT shorter than the T, it is a much farther flying disc in most circumstances. If you are buying this disc for shots shorter than you use your current T on, you are buying the wrong disc. The TL will glide much further than your regular T.

If you are looking for a disc with a similar flight pattern but just slightly shorter flight, I would suggest buying a Z-wasp. The flight pattern is almost identical to the T, other than the Z-wasp doesn't go quite as far (it is much more controllable though!).

And for everyone who is wondering what "TL" means, it stands for "Teebird Less Stable" which is why it is more prone to S-curves and longer glide. Beautiful disc!

Good comparison, as the ZWasp too is quite overstable. I was always under the impression that Teebirds, particularly TLs were supposed to be straight. When I throw the TL with the height it needs to go far, it fades hard at the end. Maybe if I work with it some more I will dial in to the "magic" height to maximize distance and minimize the fade.

i have a 168 GLO CFR T

i hear the L in TL is for Leapord-- half teebird and half leapord, which is why its Less Stable

Here we go again................ :eek: :p

i hear the L in TL is for Leapord-- half teebird and half leapord, which is why its Less Stable



Take the time and read the entire "Ask Dave D." thread. It will be worth your time and you will be far wiser in terms of DG knowledge.

as with anything, don't believe everything you hear or read. Think for yourself

i hear the L in TL is for Leapord-- half teebird and half leapord, which is why its Less Stable



It is Teebird Less Stable. The Teebird Leopard explanation is somewhat of an "urban legend". Although it does make sense. I have heard lots of rumours of people saying that Innova used the bottom of a Leopard and the top of the Teebird to make the TL, and vice versa.

If anyone is interested I think can get ahold of a new unthrown unmarked CFR Glow TL private message me if you are interested.

i hear the L in TL is for Leapord-- half teebird and half leapord, which is why its Less Stable



It is Teebird Less Stable. The Teebird Leopard explanation is somewhat of an "urban legend". Although it does make sense. I have heard lots of rumours of people saying that Innova used the bottom of a Leopard and the top of the Teebird to make the TL, and vice versa.

If anyone is interested I think can get ahold of a new unthrown unmarked CFR Glow TL private message me if you are interested.


Hmmmmmmmmm....................you have sparked my interest !!!

L = Less stable.

there you have it. Discussion over. :D

TLs can hold any line.They arent just for S shots and strait shots...they can do anything.

My CFR TL is much more overstable than my KC Pro T. Given this I can see why its good for S-Curves.

The original TL's had much more fade than the original T's too. The TL's were also less stable in high speed flight. This gave the TL a big s-curve flight, while the T was extremely straight. Despite the different flights, they get similar distance.

IMO, the DX Teebird is the best driver that Innova/Discraft/Gateway makes. To those of you who don't believe this, I threw a 165 DX Teebird over 420' today. I couldn't touch that with a Wildcat, Beast, Crush, Orc.

how about all disc manufactureres get together and produce a disc using all their knowledge.

why?

Too much animosty, it would never work. And even if it did, it wouldn't be worth all the blood.

Animosity between those that make the discs or between those that use them? I have never seen the makers of the discs bicker about each other and their products like those that use them do.

We don't see a lot that goes on.

wandering through the old posts....

I was wondering, how do people find these discs, after extensive use? how do they fly stabilitywise, glide etc...

Particularily how do they compare to the Pro-TL's (which I throw -175g)

thanks :D

Brand new this disc is IMO more overstable than a Champion TB. In other words the difference between the Pro Tl and Champion Glow Tl is about -3 in high speed turn. I have never had a Champion disc break in -3 in high speed turn when starting at 0.

awesome, thanks... I was looking for a more stable TL... maybe this will be too much... but thanks