Pardon my ignorance but I'm really having trouble throwing rollers. I know I need to get extreme anhyser on the disc and put some good snap into it to get the roll going but I can't seem to get the disc to turn over very well. It just flattens out and makes a sweeping anhyser. Any pointers would be helpful cause I haven't seen a whole lot to address this issue.

get a more understable disc. I have an old beat to hell and back stratus I use most of the time. Or some really beat wildcats/valkeries usually do the trick.

Also, try to get them on the ground within 50 feet of you or so when you start. once you get the hang of that then go for more air.

have your body turned more sideways come at the tee pad from a angle and just remember to stand the disc up and think "commit to the flip" the disc wont do anything you don't commit it to

i recently just started throwing rollers myself, and man are they fun and addicting, im using a z-extreme and throw a lil any on it and it works nicely and im also using a beat dx eagle that works really well also, you just have to practice practice practice man thats all, work on letting it hit the right angle and wath it rollllllll.

never seen a flattened anhyzer /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif i think you mean it flexes back. anyway, i've had good luck using putters as rollers. just get your elbow up and finish down, throw hard; you need to overpower the disc to get it to flip over. aim low, once you get the hang of it you can start aiming further out. also, practice this shot, it does some funny things that you might not want to happen during a round.

Rollars are kewl, but scary in my opinion. I know that they have their place, mainly low long shots. But I just can't seem to commit to doing them. I can barely get my rollar out past my drive (400-450 range), but my drive is much more predictable than rollar.
Sorry to get off topic.
I throw an old dx Valk, hit the ground about 100 feet out and watch the magic. U need a very flippy disc for a rollar and like the boyz have said, commit to the rollar.

I practice rolling every disc in my bag, just to see what they will do. Before doing this, I had read that the mold will perform on the ground like it does in the air, and this is true. If you need a straight roll, use a straight disc. If you need one to go left, use an overstable disc (RHBH). And, if right, use a flippy disc. Putters are good for low cieling, mid-range shots. I have seen people roll putters a long way. I am no expert when it comes to rolling, but my Champion Beast rolls a long way! :D

get a more understable disc. I have an old beat to hell and back stratus I use most of the time. Or some really beat wildcats/valkeries usually do the trick.

Also, try to get them on the ground within 50 feet of you or so when you start. once you get the hang of that then go for more air.



Yeah I've been using a beat Stratus to no avail. I think I'm just failing to get more anhyser on the disc. Anytime it does land, the angle isn't enough to get the disc to stand up. I try to start with my elbow high and finish low and my relaease is more up by my head. I think I just wuss out at the end and muscle memory from my backhand takes over.

I can barely get my rollar out past my drive (400-450 range), but my drive is much more predictable than rollar.



WTF??? Mark with a predictable 450 foot drive????????? That's MESSAGE BOARD DISTANCE at it's finest! :D

Plus, it's "roller". :)

Man, we just talked about this on another thread really recently...

My advice: go dig in your closet or your garage and find that old beat to crap and totally useless first driver that you ever owned. You know the one, it's so flippy you can't throw it anywhere and trust it. That's the disc you want to learn with.

If you are RHBH, start on the right-back of the teepad and finish on the left-front. Lean back during release so that you pull the disc "up and over" your chest instead of level-through. Now experiment with the release angle and landing angle. And throw it hard, too. Nothing worse than trying to finesse a roller and having it do big helix and land flat.

I hear a lot of people say to drop your leading shoulder towards the ground when throwing a BH roller. I think speed is the key to getting the disc over to a rolling angle. Throw it fast!

Nothing worse than trying to finesse a roller and having it do big helix and land flat.



Yeah this is my problem. I wuss out at the end and my "extreme anhyser" flattens out and sweeps right, lands flat and WAY short.

I do try to use beat up understable discs. I got a beat up Stratus that is wildly understable so I'll try to perfect a roller with that.

try and learn taht on a big open feild, then practice practice, practice

Nothing worse than trying to finesse a roller and having it do big helix and land flat.



Yeah this is my problem. I wuss out at the end and my "extreme anhyser" flattens out and sweeps right, lands flat and WAY short.

I do try to use beat up understable discs. I got a beat up Stratus that is wildly understable so I'll try to perfect a roller with that.



I used to roll with a Beat up Glo Stratus until I switched to Gateway. Worked like a charm! Very predictable. Still working on that with an "S" Sabre though...

Disc selection is key. I use a Valkyrie (SE) or a Beast. It's all about angle and snap. You need a flippy disc, then you come at a pretty extreme anhyzer and then snap hard from there. Depending on how much air you give, it will flip to vertical and eventually right. If you throw with a lot of snap but low, it will land somewhat horizontal and then flip back to the right if the disc is naturally flippy enough. Once you can get something rolling, just experiment with release angle, height and the resulting landing angle and always remember what the discs you're using do in the air.

Deadhead, as a fellow Gateway thrower, i have found that a beat to hell blaze rolls better (more predictably) than a sabre. The sabres, once they get beat enough to roll, tend to flip right very quickly after standing up. Of course, it has a lot to do with technique, but this has been my experience.

Man, here I am defending the Stratus again... :confused:

It's a great disc to learn a roller with. It has a rounded nose that I think is a little more forgiving. Like rolling a beat up Cobra.

The idea that you "need" to use an understable disc in order to get a good roll is a common misconception.

I do most of my rolling with Talons and Predators.

To say that understable discs are the answer is pretty ignorant.

To say that understable discs are the answer is pretty ignorant.



Ignorant may be a little harsh, don't you think? If you play on courses with extremely tight fairways and low ceilings, it is highly recommended to use an understable disc to get your roller down quick enough. There just isn't enough room to get an overstable disc down in time unless you are landing 25' off the tee, which is not always going to work well ... especially if there is a roll-killing ravine 40' off the tee.

I apologize for using the term "ignorant"
If anyone was offended, I'm sorry, that was quite rude of me.

What I meant to say is that it is not always true the in order to roll you have to use an understable disc. And for many rolling purposes understable discs will work against your goal, rather than for it.

ryan
you are forgiven :cool:

"ryan
you are forgiven"

geez. i always thought christians were self righteous, but really man - I didn't think that was up to YOU. :o

I apologize for using the term "ignorant"
If anyone was offended, I'm sorry, that was quite rude of me.



I was telling ryan i forgive him and i think he got the message,but if it helps YOU to understand next time i will use the phrase "I forgive you" :D

lol

P.S. can't wait for the eldo open!

see ya there :)

I've never known any disc golfers that had problems "rolling"!

To say that understable discs are the answer is pretty ignorant.



To make a statement like that without reading the whole thread is exceptionally ignorant.

Pay attention to the first post. You know, the one where someone is asking how the heck to throw a roller because they can't get anything to roll. :)

To say that understable discs are the answer is pretty ignorant.



To make a statement like that without reading the whole thread is exceptionally ignorant.

Pay attention to the first post. You know, the one where someone is asking how the heck to throw a roller because they can't get anything to roll. :)



Rhett,
I did read the whole thread BEFORE I posted. Maybe you should have asked before you so *ignorantly* assumed that I hadn't, and in case you missed it, I also already apologized, Rhett.
Have a nice day :mad:

Orcs roll good.

Those suggesting understable discs for rolling to someone first learining this skill are providing you the most help. Using a driver like a beast, orc, valkyrie, etc. that has a fairly massive rim is probably not the easiest "type" of disc to teach you this skill. Neutral to understable discs are easiest to learn (roc, stingray, cobra, stratus, any putter) - then it becomes a matter of choice/preference - for as you can see from the responses here - there are many viable choices. Avoid overstable discs at first - they only complicate the learning process.

I throw several types of roller shots with pretty decent accuracy. My favorite roller is actually a slightly beat roc. To get the hang of the backhand roller - the most important thing is to get the hang of hitting the ground at an angle that will allow the disc to go through the same sort of movement cycle as you would expect in the air. An understable disc thrown in the air w/hyzer - levels out, and fades right. The same disc when rolled - needs to hit the ground less than vertical, so that it will stand up and eventually curl right.

Distance is tied to how soon you put it on the ground - friction slows the disc down and makes it turn, so it might be counter-intuitive to land it on the ground close to you when you are first learning - but that's really the best way to figure this trick out. Work on learning how to hit the ground 40-60 feet in front of you - pretty much straight up and down. You will find if you can do this with enough spin - it'll turn right pretty quickly. Next you need to learn to adjust the angle the disc hits the ground so that it turns a little later - which will yield you more distance. Don't worry so much about throwing it really hard - just concentrate on landing it on edge - with enough spin to make it go through that cycle of turn.

Once you learn the landing angle - you're home free. With a little more practice, you'll learn to set the disc on a good roller angle further and further away from you. This will yield you greater and greater distance. But if you start out trying to land it 100 feet or more away - it's a pretty difficult skill to teach yourself, and can be pretty frustrating.

Good luck - and don't be afraid to try every disc you've got - the variety of rolling patterns you get from your different discs wil amaze you!

How do you increase distance on a narrow fairway? If I go for more air, I run out of fairway, left to right. Without more air, I can throw an air shot about as far as my roller. Any suggestions?

A tip I heard is to learn the back hand roller by hitting the ground about 30 to 40 feet out. Then just keep stretching it out until they're hitting the ground much farther out.

How do you increase distance on a narrow fairway?



Throw straight? :D

Wait in the parking lot until after the awards are over.

Just ask Rob. (Illiana people will get it.)

if you wanna throw rollers...get yourself a jaguar and beat it up a bit. That large lid will baja over anything in site. I have 3 friends who all throw them and are masters of rolling. they might not got 400 feet, but if you want an accurate roller, I'd have to say it might be the easiest and best disc for rolling.

I thought the advice by gang4010 was quite good. I would add two things. First, it really helps me to finish the shot. If you get tentative at the end, the disc won't get up on edge. The other thing is a brief quote from the PDGA world news a couple issues ago, which is "Tits up!"

How do you increase distance on a narrow fairway?



Throw straight? :D



Thanks

If you're talking about increasing roller distance on a narrow fairway - no formula there. It comes down to disc and shot selection. If your primary roller is a really beat disc - it probably turns pretty quickly regardless of the size of the fairway. So your disc choice might turn to a more stable disc - to increase the "straight" part of the roller cycle. But it's a more difficult shot to execute - so your percentage for success is compromised. Narrow fairways don't lend themselves to good roller distance generally. Doesn't mean rollers aren't viable shots - just means you have to be more adept at executing them.

I find something like a Viper or Ram thrown as a forehand roller stay pretty straight if you stand them up almost verticle to start with. I have to put them on the ground early to get them rolling, so maybe that is the answer. They won't usually flip so you have to keep that in mind.

I use old style whippets for forehand rollers. And yes you need to set those down quick...20-30' out of your hand.

Hysell will tell you "Photon Talon" is the best forehand roller...I can see what he is talking about, somewhat. But he doesn't throw his forehand very hard. And I tend to flip them too easy.

If you're talking about increasing roller distance on a narrow fairway - no formula there. It comes down to disc and shot selection. If your primary roller is a really beat disc - it probably turns pretty quickly regardless of the size of the fairway. So your disc choice might turn to a more stable disc - to increase the "straight" part of the roller cycle. But it's a more difficult shot to execute - so your percentage for success is compromised. Narrow fairways don't lend themselves to good roller distance generally. Doesn't mean rollers aren't viable shots - just means you have to be more adept at executing them.

I find something like a Viper or Ram thrown as a forehand roller stay pretty straight if you stand them up almost verticle to start with. I have to put them on the ground early to get them rolling, so maybe that is the answer. They won't usually flip so you have to keep that in mind.



Thanks for the advice. I want to keep trying the roller on this hole. If it flips out, I can still get a three (usually). If I throw an air shot, I get a three. My only problems are if the disc goes left because I did not stand it up enough, or if in the air it travels too far right (roller) and hits the road, parking lot. The fairway is nice and smooth, but hard to hit with power. I need a 450' roller. My usual roller is 350-375 with accuracy.

Large trees begin the hole on the left for a fairly low cieling and no room left. I know I can make this shot, I just need to work on it. I think the idea of standing up an overstable disc might just work, if I get it down early, but I will try it somewhere else first. I need to learn the forehand roller too. Mine don't go very far. Thanks.

Throwing a flippier disc on more of a cut-roller angle could work too. You can put it down to the right and have it cut back to the left, but if you use a flippier disc it should still stand up and eventually flip. It's a "touchier" shot, but it might work. As long you err on the side of where it still flips and ends up right you won't be any worse off. Something really beat to crap allows you to throw flat, hard, and low where the disc does the turning.

Your hole description made me think of that shot. 450 for a forehand roller sounds too long for me. :)

For me it would have to be a back hand shot, at least this year. Maybe there is just not enough room to work. Threes are good, right? :)

Anyone tried to roll an Orc. Actually works very well for me.

When the Viking came out, I told myself I was not going to learn another disc for awhile (and I haven't). I am trying to work with what I have. Now I have an Orc, but I think it is too heavy for me for what I want it to do (more D). It is a 174. I really want to try a 168-170 Orc for air shots. Maybe the 174 would be a good roller for me. It just takes so much extra time to learn a new disc (IMHO).

So is the consensus here that a backhand roller is best done with a flippy understable disc, and a forehand roller works best with an overstable disc? Is so what's the forehand roller of choice for everyone?

Anything works. Just try to find something in stiff plastic and work it for a while. Eventually you will figure out what works and what doesn't. Everyone is different.

(I use a *********)

Anything works. Just try to find something in stiff plastic and work it for a while. Eventually you will figure out what works and what doesn't. Everyone is different.

(I use a *********)


A What? A dimple ? :D

actually there are 2 ways to roll as has been discussed ad infinitum. a roller, which IMO(and contrary to danny s) is better for tight fairways and a throwler which takes time and left to right area to complete its turnover but has the distance and cut advantage.
a roller as i usually use it, is done with a fairly stable to over stable disc released about 45' from vertical and dropped 25-75 feet away. it turns over less and is much straighter(less left cut) than a throwler. this is great for when you have a very tight area to get the disc through.
the throwler is a beat disc thrown hard and allowed to flip over to the right(rhbh) and land 50-200ft out, usually with soime left cut at first since the flippy disc would immediately turn right if you don't have it. this can get a bit more distance since there is less resistance in the air and can be made to cut left and then stand up and still go right(think c pin on 18 at seneca or long poin on 7 at patapsco!)
both are good ways to roll, though i personally think the regular roller is easier to learn. the throwler might be harder since you have to take the discs flippyness and fairway drift into account.
to say either way won't work is idiocy, since it is obvious both do. it's a matter of preference. if you want to learn come play a round at a roller happy course like seneca with some locals. we'd be happy to give you a few pointers...

and of course, craiger is pretty much an expert at rolling compared to me, but i think it was important for me to realize the 2 types of rollers and use the one i feel comfortable with more often, though i can do both pretty well.

Two types being forehand and backhand I assume. Can you use the same disc for both?

I think the two types he was referring to were the roller and the throwler. Go back one page and read the last post, which gives a pretty dang good description, IMHO.

dm4:

Want more distance? Try a 158g Orc. If it turns right, tilt it with a bit of hyzer while pulling through as if the disc were flat.

I was rolling Orcs today for an hour or so. Just like they fly fast, stable, and long. Could fairly consistently straight track about 330', and go over 400' with big air. I'm much more consistent with CE Leopards and Eagles although 30-40' shorter. This is on flat ground, ok turf for Florida.

can't you read hawk? or are thise steroids killing the brain cells? :)

Don't blame me for your inability to communicate effectively! :DWent out for about 30 minutes today with some Stingrays and actually got some backhand rollers going. Maxed out at about 100', but the grass was tall where I was so that probably cost me a little more distance. No way am I rolling 200+ yet. Also the wind today was killing my roller attempts.

Play the wind to the bottom of the disc. That means for a RHBH roller you want the wind coming from left-to-right. What happens there is that the wind keeps the disc from flipping, as you'll see it "bite" harder in the turf. The wind seems to act upon the lower half of the disc more, "blowing it out" so to speak. A roller with this wind can go forever. If the wind is blowing hard the disc will take some huge bounces left-to-right that will have you crying, but the it won't flip so it circles back to the left and ends up okay.

Conversely, a wind from right-to-left for RHBH roller will just knock it down right away, blowing onto the top of the disc and making it flip and stop quickly.

It seems backwards, as you expect that left-to-right wind to "blow it over" and the right-to-left to "hold it up" so it doesn't flip. But the opposite is what happens.

I noticed what you described today Rhett. The left to right wind definitely did bounce the roller along. So what do you do with a right to left wind? Forehand roll? Will a Stingray handle that?

So what do you do with a right to left wind?



I throw airshots. :)

A forehand roller would be good if you have one.

So what do you do with a right to left wind?



I throw airshots. :)

A forehand roller would be good if you have one.



Big hyzer!

or throw a much more stable disc. like try an eagle or something instead of a stingray.

Still backhand roll, or forehand with the more stable disc? Did somone say backhand Beast/Orc roller?

For long rollers i like my beat down 173 KC Firechicken,for shorter rollers i like Leopards!

FHR i use a proline Firechicken,but i haven't got the hang of fore :Dhanders yet

I roll Orcs sometimes.

I roll Orcs sometimes.


Forehand or backhand ?

I roll down hills sometimes. :D

For backhand roller - beat up CE Valkyrie
For forehand roller - Pro line monster
Short roller - CE spider :D

BH-X-wildcat or X-Xpress
FH- D-Reaper or Photon Talon

backhand with a more stable disc. or forehand roll, but then you'll have the jumping effect in reverse.

I roll Orcs sometimes.


Forehand or backhand ?



Backhand

I roll down hills sometimes. :D



LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Bunker rules!

I roll down hills sometimes. :D



LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Bunker rules!


I stroll down hill sometimes !!!!!!!!!!!! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttt Up Kid ! ! ! ! :eek: :D:D

:o

What disc do you roll, Coda?

APX and X-XL for me!

APX and X-XL for me!


How do Firebirds roll ?

APX and X-XL for me!


How do Firebirds roll ?



In my past expirience: Not very good.

You can count on the Optimizer (http://www.discfly.com/Optimizers.html) for rolling every time. That disc is crazy understable.

The Firebird will work too, once you know how to roll. Overstable discs require advanced technique to get them down on the ground and rolling before they flatten out (hyzer).

I can barely get my rollar out past my drive (400-450 range), but my drive is much more predictable than rollar.



WTF??? Mark with a predictable 450 foot drive????????? That's MESSAGE BOARD DISTANCE at it's finest! :D

Plus, it's "roller". :)



I am not sure how I put predictable and 450 together, must have been low on coffee that morning. I meant to say I can either throw 450 or predictable. :)
I did throw more rollers at La Mirada in the Golden State configuration than I have in awhile. Dang, what a fun course!!!!