Alright, this is the Battle of the Wisconsin players, who will come out ontop playing head to head this year in PDGA tournaments?? Barry Schutlz or Chris Heeren?
Barry might have a little advantage since he is 24-1 against me in the last 2 years but I think this year will be different!!

Barry Schutlz
PDGA#6780
Age: 34-35?
Throws: RHBH
Strengths: Worlds Best Disc Golfer
Titles: 03' world champion, usdgc champion ( may also have won a few other tournaments not mentioned )
Rating: 1039
Best rated round: 1092


Chris Heeren
PDGA#18464
Age: 23
Throws: RHBH
Strengths: I'm learning a forehand
Titles: 03' Putting world champ
Rating: 1006
Best rated round: 1056

Don't let the stats fool you! I think Barry's game has come down a bit this year, he already let someone tie him at a national tour!

Strengths: I'm learning a forehand
!



you have a 1006 rating and your LEARNING a forehand. wow, thats impressive.

Chris, I gave you my vote and then was shocked to see you had 4 votes instead of only two (mine and yours). To be truthful, I think Barry will kick your arse, but I like your attitude and I also like the idea that the guy not quite so good has a chance to leap forward and give the best a run for their money.

Looks like there are a lot of underdogs out here voting for you to beat the champ so that they can dream of doing so also :D

If you can talk Barry into coming to Idlewild you might have a shot at beating him there, at least during the first round. Then again I wouldn't bet against him. :p

I dunno about that arse kicking thing, 1-24 isn't too bad. I think I just missed a few putts here and there! Could happen to anyone :D

1 out of 24 -- at least you are on his radar screen. you are young too. odds suggest eventually you are going to overtake him. how fast that occurs is the open question. never give up. I am sure he would rather a Wisconsin player overtake him than someone less cheezy ;-)

What, like a Texas player????? lol!!!!!!!

If you did beat Schultz what disc would have your name on it?

Here is an interview with Chris.
http://www.discontinuum.org/Personality_Spotlight/Chris-Heeren.html

I voted for Chris. I'm amazed at what this guy can do & he's only 23 and started playing in 2000. Wow!!

I voted for Chris. I think Barry is way better and head-to-head would be no contest, but... Nobody tours like Chris. He is a true DG junkie. Barry will probably pick and choose his tourneys whereas Chris will play Championships to D-tiers and everything in between. Total numbers should fall to Chris.

I spent a fun afternoon with Chris "The Machine" Heeren at Pro Worlds 2003 in Flagstaff. He is simply one of the nicest guys you'll meet. He wasn't performing up to our expectations at the time, and he took a lot of grief from his Wisconsin crew in stride. Those guys were a riot - Chris “Ollie” Ollinger, Johnny Van Deurzen, Mike Schwieger, Mike Newhouse, "Dapper" Don Barrette and that little weasel Kris Bammert.

Tower Ridge Open is less than a month away. First stop on the Wisconsin Tour. I see Barry is pre-registered.

That's right! Tower Ridge will be the first test! I think Barry might have an advantage there since that's where he shot his 1092 rated round but we'll see how it ends up :D

Less than a month away... will the snow be gone by then? ;) I guess you could always ski your way through the Tower Ridge Course, if you have to... :D

Chris, ya gotta beat me before you can get to Barry at Tower. Look at last years stats, I had ya by 11, and Barry had me by 10. That's alot of strokes bro! I witnessed his 1092 and it was SICK.
That being said, Barry got my vote.
"let someone tie him", hmmmmmmmmm I don't know how I should react to that statement Chris.
TG
the guy who tied him I guess. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Chris,

Sorry but I am voting for Barry. I have seen you play and you definitely have picked this game up for sure. You are a potential future World Champ, but after a Triple Crown Season that Barry has had, I don't think he will be giving in anytime soon Chris. Good luck though! I like seeing any Wisconsin Pro whip some [*****] on the tour! Question: Did Barry play the putting event at worlds also?

Josh

Since I've played with you almost every weekend for a month you got my vote! Now go out there and do it! I'll be up at Tower Ridge to witness the initial battle first hand. I also heard Barry might be moving out of WI...is this true?

I almost got him at his favorite Standing Rocks. On one hole in particular I carded a 5 and Barry carded a 2 and on the last 3 holes I went 3.. 4.. 3 and Barry went 2..3..2 that was probably my best chance at beating him in Wisconsin.
Unfortunately The Caro Crew wont be able to make it this year so just to pump you guys up..take it to him at the Rocks. I still luv ya Barry.

That -12 you shot on the East Course was pretty sweet! That probably will be the closest chance anyone will ever have at beating Barry at Standing Rocks! I only lost to him by 10? 15? strokes, we'll see what happens this year though :D

Chris, just out of curiosity how do you and Barry compare in terms of distance? How far can each of you throw on flat ground with little or no wind?

Also, congratulations to you on the Innova sponsorship.

I'd say we throw about the same distance?!? His always lands by the basket if you want to get technical about it though. With no wind? I can consistantly throw about 450-460, I dunno what Barry can do. I know that beast goes pretty far for him though.

[Barry's] always lands by the basket if you want to get technical about it though.



well, now that you're onto his secret -- just copy him. :D

Just a note:.
I played alot of rounds with Barry throughout the entire 2003 year, most of them practice rounds. On a stretch from the Memorial through the GLO I never saw him miss a drive. On hole 15 at Hudson Mills, a 345 tunnel roc shot, he missed the fairway to the right by about 10 feet and hit a tree about 3/4 of the way down the fairway. As he grabbed another disc out of his bag he said " I havent done that in a while", and I said "what, hit a tree with your San Marino" and he said " no, I missed the fairway". All I could say was "WOW"..
I've never seen any one be that cosistant for so long. He digs deep and find the shot when he has to. Your right, he does find a way to get close to the basket on every shot, and when you do that you don't have to hit all of your putts. It's absolutely amazing. I feel fortunate to have witnessed such a year. He has had a long time to hone his skills. You are just getting started. Keep on pluggin!

4 more days until the first match up!

Chris 0 - Barry 0 (ohh, it's all tied up right now)

I had to go with the 'smart' money' and pick Barry...for now.
By the way, I've never met a person from Wisconsin I didn't like...there is a guy at the park here [SoCal] who spends his WINTERS there! You've got to admire that!
...but how can you not like a 'culture' where the cops drive drunks home, people wear cheese on their heads, and they call drinking fountains "bubblers"?!? :D

I will be playing amII on saturday... maybe I will stay over and watch the battle unfold ;)

I think it'll be a close one ;)

And Mark, you should stay till Sunday, that's when Phill and I are going to play. Is Dan playing too? Didn't see his name on the list. Hopefully we'll see you guys there

Alrighty ;) Dan is coming up friday night, I will be up in eau claire tomorrow sometime actually. Are you and Phil goign to be there saturday for random draw doubles? I will be staying for that.

Schultz vs. Heeren? I would think that a few other players feel this tournament has more than two people competing in the open division.

Sorry chris I have to also go with barry on this one. Ever since I saw that shot on hole number 13 in the 2000 USDGC when he leaves his drive OB. Forced to redrive he plants it about 15 away from the basket!!! Now thats clutch. Even though you won the putting championship, being able to keep your head cool like that is how to win. I think in 3 years max you'll overtake him though as a combination of experience, his growing in age, and your development of the forehand shot. Can't wait to see a match up like Barry's and Ken's at the last USDGC.

Schultz vs. Heeren? I would think that a few other players feel this tournament has more than two people competing in the open division.



What tournament? Tower Ridge? This is for over the whole year :) Tower Ridge just happens to be the first tournament we play together!

Sorry chris I have to also go with barry on this one. Ever since I saw that shot on hole number 13 in the 2000 USDGC when he leaves his drive OB. Forced to redrive he plants it about 15 away from the basket!!! Now thats clutch. Even though you won the putting championship, being able to keep your head cool like that is how to win. I think in 3 years max you'll overtake him though as a combination of experience, his growing in age, and your development of the forehand shot. Can't wait to see a match up like Barry's and Ken's at the last USDGC.



I like how most people take this so seriously :D

Shouldn't you be up there practicing or something? Like T. Miller, Schwieger and some of the other Wisconsin boys (let alone some out of state talent like Timmy Gill) are who would just love to show you how much this is a Schultz vs. Heeron thing?

/start Kung-Foo background music - Your competition is the course, my son. Compete against it, and where you fall amongst the others in your division will take care of itself. - /end Kung-Foo background music. :D

/start Kung-Foo background music - Your competition is the course, my son. Compete against it, and where you fall amongst the others in your division will take care of itself. - /end Kung-Foo background music. :D



well said Master Po. a grasshopper will always jump higher when the ego is not in the way. Chris started this thread tongue-in-cheek, and though it appears he does have high goals for himself, probably he'll keep his feet on the ground even if he were to outshoot Barry in: (drumroll)
matchup #1 -- the Kung Fu student faces a Master

Confucius says: Man who stand on toilet - High on pot. I think Heeren has his feet firmly planted on porcelain if he thinks he can beat Barry. I've known Heeren for a long time now and he never ceases to amaze me -not always in a good way- but I think he's bitten off a little more than he can chew. Besides sooner or later he's gonna inhale a june bug with that gaping mouth putting form of his and choke to death.......

Keep up the good work, Chris....just read your interview, and although I see your name all the time in the board, I never followed your game. You get my vote. I personally witnessed Barry sink a 60 footer UPHILL 25 feet or so at the Memorial, but Timmy proved he is only human. Tear it up, my fellow Great Lakes discer! :D

I personally played a round with Chris and his crew mate Keith, these guys are unstoppable. I don't think the worlds best disc golfer (Barry) stands a chance against either of these boys. :)

Go Contour Crew....The world is your course. :) :) :)

chris, you rock....even so, i can not wait to kick your azzz, how many strokes you givin me????

*cough*groopie*cough*

News Flash Boys and Girls.

Chris Heeren has beaten Barry Schultz at the Tower Ridge Open. There was a tie and a playoff in which Chris hit a 60' putt for the win.

Congratulations Chris..and keep the streak going.

Tower Ridge Open:

1. Chris Heeren
2. Barry Schultz

Chris - 1 Barry - 0 :D

congrats Chris, what were the 1st and 2nd round scores?

bonus

Yes that was sweet Chris. Way to can that putt on 18 to win it.

Wow Chris -- that is huge. Now that you are sponsored it looks like you are unstoppable! :D

Where is matchup #2? Bowling Green?

First round Barry Shultz 48 (-6) Chris Heren 50 (-4)
<< I shot 51 (-3) and made the leader card to play with them >>

Second round Chris Heren 47 (-7) Barry Shultz 49 (-5)
<< I sucked :confused: and didn't even ca$h ... but I had fun :) >>

In the playoff Chris made a long putt in some heavy wind for the victory!

Excuse me Chris .... I didn't mean to spell your name wrong!

Barry to I guess!

Just like my second round yesterday .... Oooops!

The only birdie I got in the second round was when Barry called a foot foul on me for a warning and I had to re-tee. The first drive was 30 feet short with a tree blocking the putt; I parked the second drive 8 feet away. :D

did someone second the foot fault?

Not sure, but it was obvious that my foot print was 1 inch off to the side of the board. Not to complain, but it was a crappy dirt & sand tee box that had a dip in it and most of the board is covered with dirt & sand anyway. On pad like that I'm just hoping not to twist an ankle or knee or something .... missing the side of the tee pad by an inch or two doesn't really cross my mind. But "oh well", I benefited by the re-throw! :DNot that it matter at that point, I had already been on the bogie train for too long!

Yea, it was 2nd, I personally didn't see it but the other 3 guys did. I did notice you foot faulted by almost a foot on hole 6, I think they saw that too and that's why they called you on it the next time it happened. That was the first time I've ever seen anyone get called on it before!

You have to admit that the tees were in rough shape and were not clearly marked. Remember on #3 when you could not even find the mark? You were standing right on it and you couldn't see it. It was there, burried.

I can definitely second how crappy the boxes are. They should have a shovel and a rake by each hole. I don't think I would call a fault unless it was really blatant and gave them an advantage.

I forgive you Steve. Just don't pull that crap when you play me.

Next match up: Bowling Green!
I think this one might be close . . . :D

Quick q: is your name pronounced here-in?

I think it's more like "Hair-in" kinda like the bird, but no one ever get's it right so it doesn't matter!

Again good luck Chris! I still got my money on Barry for the next match up.

Sounds to me like we got ourselves a name for a new disc ... the INNOVA HEEREN .... you know, like the bird! It falls in line with the rest of the INNOVA product naming convention.

Hey Chris, in the playoff for the winner of matchup #1, did you can that loooooooong putt before Barry attempted his birdie putt, or after he had already missed? Also, how long was the hole and what kind of hole is it?

thanks, good luck and have fun in Bowling Green!

God, this thing is getting out of control. Chris, you win some and you blow some for player rating points. Do you see any of the other top rated players collecting groupies on the PDGA wesite? NO!!! Play the game for what it is. A good player doesnt need others to tell him how good he is or how well he did at a tournament. I am sure there is no ill intentions but please, we all know at any time, any day, someone can beat the best, or be beaten by the worst, thats golf.
I think a little professionalism should be followed here on out.
Do your squawking at the end of the season not the beginning.

Kozy

Oh my! You need to get a life. This thread is fun.

There is a term for someone like you.

























HATER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yeah, and Chris is down by 1 to Barry after Round 2. Come on! Pick up the pace!!!!! :D

Looks like Chris took Barry by two strokes in round 1, but then Barry got Chris by three in round 2. Heading into Sunday, Barry is in a six-way tie for 15th place and Chris is in a three-way tie for 21st. There are a lot of excellent golfers ahead of them, and tomorrow may include significant rain and wind.

Rumor has it that if Chris and Barry make it into the final nine, Chris is going to wear a (Wisconsin) cheese-head hat to try and psyche Barry out. :D

Schultz vs. Heeren 2004

Barry Schultz - 1
Chris Hereen - 1

Either one won the Bell South but Barry did smoke Chris by 7 strokes to finish strong! Good job both of you!

Schultz vs. Heeren vs. K-Dub (now appearing on screen left)

Schultz 1
Heeren 1
K-Dub 1

Let the battle for the deep fried cheese curds begin.

Way to go K-Dub (Bell South Open, 2nd)

Yes Kenny is the Man Still!!

Don't mess with Kenny cause he'll just Climo your *****!!

K-Dub is the man!!!! Haha!! WoW!! Incredible shooting Keith!! That was awesome!!! Nice doubles round too! 36 (-18) at Lovers Lane Park Friday! $1600.00 is not a bad weekend, Go Contour Crew!! :D
Chris 1 Barry 1 Keith 1 All tied up!!

Oh its on now huh?

im not going to jump out and say im better then barry, cause that would be really stupid. I can compete w/ barry just like chris, but regardless of score, we know bs is still the man.

but dont get me wrong, being on top once in a while isnt bad..

CONTOUR CREW O4

Keith -- it was cool watching you shoot the lights out during the fourth round and the final nine -- great job! Sounds like Kenny is going to see about hooking you up with Innova.

During his seventeenth hole of the fourth round, Barry was putting for a birdie on 18 from about 30 feet and right as he was releasing the disc, a car passed to the side of the basket and some kid in the back seat yelled "MISS!" really loudly out the window. Barry's putt just clipped the top of the Discatcher and fell. If Barry makes that putt, instead of a three way playoff for the fourth entrant into the final nine -- Barry would have been three strokes behind Ken and two strokes behind Cam and Keith going into the final nine. Stupid kid!

It's on!
Battle of the Cheeseheads!
:D

Which cheesehead is up in terms of 2004 cash? Is it Barry, then Keith, then Chris or some other order?

Haha! what kinda question is that? Barry is the man, no one will be able to come close to how much cash he wins this year!! I think he's around $10k already. After this weekend Keith jumps up into 2nd place with around $2500, and I'm trailing way behind in 3rd with around $1700. Keith just about won as much as I have all year in one tournament! :D

Chris, I see you've already registered for the Michiana Open.
Is Barry, and any other cheeseheads, going to be there?

Yea, Me, Keith, and Barry should all be there, I'm not sure about anyone else from WI going though. I'm sure they're will be a couple others. I know most WI players don't travel outta the state.

Chris,

It will be great to see you again at the Michiana Open. I know you are primed to better your 14th place finish from last year.

I presume you will see Keith and Barry this weekend. If so, let them know we look forward to having them be part of the field and I don't have to remind Barry that Schweberger got him by one. Of course winning the $1000 winners-take-all best shot Final Nine was a nice bonus to a runner up finish. I'm sure he would love teeing it up infront of our huge gallery of spectators again this year.

See you soon.

Jason Samuel, TD

Ohh, right now we're 3-3 for tournament rounds. This week it's Standing Rocks Open in Steven's Point (hmmm sounds like Barry gonna have home course advantage) That's my excuse right now, I'm sure I'll think of some more before the tournaments over! :D

Keith Warren is awesome! After a 2 stroke penalty for not adding his score up right he is still leading the 45 player open field by 3 strokes over Barry! 1 More round to go! I'm shooting like crap so i'll just chalk up another win to Barry! Barry 3 Chris 1 :D

i cant believe my playoff putt went in!!!!
fun fun....

LOOK ....I CAN win.

WI has many good-great players and all the time we are adding more.

Barry is one of the main reason this area is producing better players all the time. His level of play is making all reach for more within themselves to play better.
He is a great ambassader for the sport in sportmanship, teaching and approachability.

If he wasn't as good as he is this thread never would exist.
His past and future accomplishments are only that the majority can dream of (I for one, lowly am, 908 rating).

I just wanted to make sure Barry's accomplishments and goodness weren't lost in this thread.

PS: Math on scorecard Barry 1 / Heeren 1 / Warren 0 :D

Nicely said Edism! That is the best post I've read on here yet!
This thread was just started as a joke since there were so many other somebody vs. somebody's, why not do somebody vs. the worlds best disc golfer :DThere really is no a way you can compare yourself to him. On his bad days he is still up there ontop, if he's not winning he's coming in 2nd! There were a lot more people that I thought taking this seriously, I never realized how many people actually read this. I've had a lot of people come up to me at these last few tournaments asking why I thought I could beat Barry haha
I'm 1-2 against Barry and 3-3 against Keith awww, I don't have a winning record against either what a big surprise :eek:

By the way . . . keep an eye out for Warren, if he continues to tour like he has been I think he will be making a big name for himself!! His game looks like it's really coming around! Go Keith!!

Keith definately deserved that win! Well played! The best was the shot on the last skins hole, I just cant believe the orc was not found!

I still wanna know where it ended up!! I never saw it hit a single tree! That had to be one of the coolest shots ever! lol

Congrats to Keith! :cool:

Marshall Ray :D

chris and ed just nailed it. Barry is the man, and i keep telling everybody this. Just watching barry place disc golf is a treat.
and he is still my idol

Hats off to you Keith. Congratulations on a win to go down in the books. That's a big turn around from SR two years ago. Looks like it takes a Sconsinite to beat a Barry in Sconsin.
Pick it up Chris.

Keith Warren wins his first Supertour by 5 strokes!! Awesome!!!! Way to go Keith! $2100+ with the skins

doin my part, and making that ford contour a sour sight for the other pros out there :)

congrats on the win keith!

Nice!! Contour Crew ties for 1st place 9 stokes over 3rd and split $1140. I won the play-off over Keith :) too bad Barry wasn't around ( I think he's busy trying to win a NT )

I can see this place slowing down!! Pick up the pace guys!!!

Congrats!! Barry on Elver Open Victory!!

Excellent come back Keith to go from 3rd Card to 3rd Place!!

Great tourney, horrible conditions.

Reguardless, good shooting gentlemen

Yea, that weather wasn't fun at all! Barry shot a great round of -11 so I don't think he mind it too much. I tied Keith so I'm happy enough with that :) Barry 3 Chris 1

yeah....im not sure if its just me, but i dont really take comfort in barry shooting well. Its gonna be a long month
:)

man can he shoot the lights out. Its fun to watch

Keith,

Just checking if you received my PM? Thanks.

Josh
discgolf

congrats to chris heeren for taking yet another top ten at a national tour. Contour crew takes down climo!!

creeeeeeepy /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

:)

Congratulations Chris. Looks like Matt (Blakely) was ahead of you for a while there. Where were Keith and Barry?

Peoria Showdown?

Yeah definately! congrats to Chris.... It sucks you didnt play keith, Iwas hoping to see some wi players in the final 9 so I could have cheered them on while I was down there!

Congrats Chris! #2 at the GLO, pretty awesome!

Sweet! Awesome finish Chris

Thanks guys, it was a lot of fun!! The final nine was awesome, half way through the round all 4 players were within 1 stroke!
Congrats to Sarah for her first supertour win!!

To say the least, that final nine was the most amazing disc golf ive ever seen. Scott had the lead, then chris, then cam, then mike... then they were all tied.....(cam won) contour crew tied for #1 at a nt though, thanks to chris heeren!!!!!

For the record it's Chris(2) Barry(4) and Chris(4) Keith(4)
Still working on a winning record "maybe someday"

maybe someday!?
ill be the first one to say...chris your too good to not have a winning record...
i know your going to pass me up the next time we play..
remember your the sponsored [email protected]!

No kidding! So why is Innova holding off on warren? hehe

No kidding! So why is Innova holding off on warren? hehe



Well, they obviously don't feel like dominating every major tournament, give it time..

I don't think Keith is going to have too much problem getting sponsored, you and chris can really tear it up out there!! That was definatly an awesome final nine, amazing shooting chris!

hey hey! got my first ever win in IL this past weekend...
rock on!!

I heard!! Well done Keith, did you have to pleasure of shooting with Alex Bingman? :)

Haven't heard how Sinssippi went, unable to find anything on the web.

I just noticed that Keith and Chris both have 5 letters in their first name and 6 in their last. Last names both end in "REN".
One is a lefty the other a righty.
This has just been an observation nothing else.

Haven't heard how Sinssippi went, unable to find anything on the web.

I just noticed that Keith and Chris both have 5 letters in their first name and 6 in their last. Last names both end in "REN".
One is a lefty the other a righty.
This has just been an observation nothing else.



Not only do they each have 11 total letters in their disc golf names, Contour Crew also has 11 letters.
Maybe they'll end up with 11 wins this year :D

You guys have way to much time on your hands! Sinnissippi was up and down for both of us. I was on lead card after first round and Keith was outta the cash, then he shot the course record and I shot my worst rated round of the year. He ended up taking 2nd, and I took tied for last cash! Chris Sprague won ( there were 3 Chris's on the lead card :) )

Alex bingman!! ooh man ive heard alot about that guy and his
"2 liter of diet coke!" but no ive never shot a round w/ him, and my luck didnt change at sinnissippi

Congrats Keith for joining Team Innova!!!!!

Keith, we all knew it was coming!!! Congrats on joining innova!!!

Alright, the PDGA season has come to an end for me and the results are in!! It was a very close battle and it came right down to the wire but in the end Barry edged me out 13-2 over the 15 tournaments we've played together . . . . maybe next year! :D Some how me and Keith ended up tied at 8-8, I think we'll have to have a play-off tournament at the 7th Turkey Shoot-out next month!

Now that would be cool!! Either way Chris you're an excellent player and a great guy. It was fun playing together at the Worlds Putt and Skill Shot Challenge.

Nice! Closest race all year! :p I'd like to see that playoff tourney, but don't think I'll make it. See you next year!

Hey Chris,

Congratulations on your victory this past weekend at the Camden Chaos event in Milan, Ill. It really is too bad that Keith and Barry couldn't have made it down to challenge you, but I guess that their absence makes you the winner by default, eh? Never the less, let me be the first to offer you a hearty "well done" and give you your proverbial "props"; after all, it's not every day that a player with a 1014 rating wins an unsanctioned tournament in the Advanced division!

WOW,

All I can add to that is CONGRATS as well. Good job Chris! An advanced title in Illinois IS pretty sweet. Congrats again on playing in and winning the advanced title. I'm sure Innova is proud. I know all of Wisconsin is.

Thanks guys!!! I really appreciate it! I worked hard and shot well for that title, it is my first advanced win in the last 3 years! There was some tough competition, and after the first round where I was sitting 3rd place I had my doubts, but managed to fight back and pull off the victory! It feels good to be reconized as one of the better advanced players in IL.

Crazy.

What is with those PRO cheeseheads that makes them play am?

Wait, better question:

Why do TDs allow PRO players to play in AM divisions in un-sanctioned events? :confused:

haha Discraft....

haha Discraft....



What is that supposed to mean :confused:

Terry,

Do you want to team up and play Advanced at the Real Ice Bowl in Milwaukee? I will already be town to play in the Open division on Saturday, and since the event is unsanctioned, I think we might have a chance to finish in second place behind Chris and (insert name of partner here). I know that you and Mike Schwieger won the Open division last year, but I am going to assume that he has more class than to play down. Come on pal! Even though you are sponsored by Discraft, couldn't you use some more plastic?

Pro 31 5735 $10,125

you have got to be KIDDING he REALLY PLAYED ADV???

what a joke

where in the heeren are the results for the cam chaos?

why??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????

cause this has to be a joke, right?

Thanks guys!!! I really appreciate it! I worked hard and shot well for that title, it is my first advanced win in the last 3 years! It feels good to be reconized as one of the better advanced players in IL.



Hey, Chris-- you do know that their 'congratulations' and 'props' were sarcastic, right? You know:
sar�casm (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm) (n.) - form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.

Did this really happen or is a joke? IF its a Joke, who is the Joke on?

[QUOTE]
I worked hard and shot well for that title, it is my first advanced win in the last 3 years!



yeah. 3 years cause he hasnt played ma1 since 01.

Thanks guys!!! I really appreciate it! I worked hard and shot well for that title, it is my first advanced win in the last 3 years! It feels good to be reconized as one of the better advanced players in IL.



Hey, Chris-- you do know that their 'congratulations' and 'props' were sarcastic, right? You know:
sar�casm (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm) (n.) - form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.



My reply was also a form of that word . . . .
but yes, I really did play advanced! It kicked a ss! :D I would put why, but then it'd be a long post and nobody likes to read long posts.

SANDBAGGER SANDBAGGER SANDBAGGER..........BAGGER..........BAGGER........ ..BAGGER..........BAGGER..........BAGGER.......... BAGGER

Your the worst BAGGER since JJ :o:D

No offence to JJ

If an event is unsanctioned, there is no such thing as PDGA Advanced. All the rules can be changed as needed. If what they called the Advanced division was bigger than the Open division, it only makes sense for players to enter the division with the biggest ratio of potential payout to entry fee. Makes sense for a top player to come in and sweep up the big prize in Advanced and give those lower rated Open players a break. Maybe it will make TDs want to host PDGA sanctioned events and players to enter them where divisional guidelines are more closely followed.

haha Discraft....



Yeah Hamm, I am STILL waiting on a response as to what this was supposed to mean.

Ahhh�.He took the bait and I was able to reel him in. Now all I need to do is wait to hear more T-Dogg sarcastic BS. Oh wait that's nothing new. Just having fun with you man. So touchy aren't we. Ha-ha :cool: Wait here comes the reply.....Still waiting....Come on I want to hear your blibidy blabady!!

HUH? I took WHAT BAIT? I posted about this particular topic far before you did.

This is NOT an Innova, Discraft, Gateway, or JoeSmhoe Disc Shoppe issue at all. I don't know where in the world your Discraft comment even comes close to resembling a connection here.

Anyway, regardless of who my sponsor is or who Chris' sponsor is, I certainly think that Innova would want to know why in the world Heeren would go and play advanced at any event.

This certainly links to the "Paying Ams Cash at Unsanctioned Events" thread and this is a perfect case in point why Ams shouldn't get cash. People like Heeren might hear that and show up to sweep the Adv division.

Let's take this a step further. Suppose an event was to have 50 ams at $30 entry. Then there was a 15 Pros at $50 entry. What would stop Barry from playing in the pool of $1500 in cash versus the $750 pool of cash? Don't say that "no top pro would ever do such a thing" because Heeren did it for reasons FAR LESS than listed in this example.

By the way Hamm, why ARE you swinging so hard on Heeren's sack?

You're still talking? :D blibidy.... blabady sarcastic T-Dogg to the rescue........... ;) Who would thought that..... I swear you love hearing yourself talk Terry. awww sad..... and we all just sit by and laugh...

its not a joke Knudsen is correct.I and at least 6 other ADV players played open since it was unsanctioned and was our home course.It was 1st round longs, with your regulaur discs,then 2nd round was a Fly By Nite glo disc only. You could also use a putter within 50 ft but no other drivers.It was a great tournament and had a great showing.Great job to all that helped out raking tees, running the show and thanks for the great time especially hole 18!! I have to say that although I respect his game , I didnt really respect the decision he made to play adv. and thought it was funny that almost all the area ADV players played open, and the tourney was won by a adv player that was playing open.It was a fun tourney though regardless of the drama.I did feel bad for the INT players that played ADV, although Heerens running mate {one of the best ADV players I know, a person easily capable of playing pro} probaly would have won adv. anyway.

"You could also use a putter within 50 ft but no other drivers."

That sounds cool! That had to be fun Chase.

Looks like another thread that jumped to conclusions before hearing the whole story. Is this the Cam Todd suspension thread? :D

What do you mean "jumped to conclusions"? It was a tournament where golfers played against one another with actual divisions offered and Chris Heeren played in an amateur division. Even if the event called for playing with paper plates, Heeren should still be competing in the PRO division. One does NOT accidentally fall into a 1014 rating.

I'm not lashing out but do DweLLeR are you suggesting that Chris Heeren should NOT have played OPEN?

Alright, well I told Dan that he should play open on the drive down there. He's been bagging all year and hasn't played open yet even though he's rated 965. He was rated higher than every pro out there and he still didn't want to go pro and play against me. I told him as a joke that if he played advanced that I would do it also just so he wouldn't win. I don't think he believed me and did it anyway, so as a joke I told the TD to sign me up as advanced too. I was expecting him to say, "uh, no sorry you gotta play open", but he actually said "sure, no problem" hahaha. ( I can't actually believe a TD would do that, Terry's right, people like me would take advantage of it :D ) None of the other pro's really seem to make a big deal outta it and I thought it was funny as hell :) I really didn't go down there to make any money, I just wanted to play and have fun! It actually turned out to be fun as hell! I got to meet some new people that I've never played with before and I got to witness a 30 circle 60+ score on a single hole! Where else would you get to see that other than in advanced lol ( Also I wanted to out do JJ at bagging ) :D

its not a joke Knudsen is correct.I and at least 6 other ADV players played open since it was unsanctioned and was our home course.It was 1st round longs, with your regulaur discs,then 2nd round was a Fly By Nite glo disc only. You could also use a putter within 50 ft but no other drivers.It was a great tournament and had a great showing.Great job to all that helped out raking tees, running the show and thanks for the great time especially hole 18!! I have to say that although I respect his game , I didnt really respect the decision he made to play adv . and thought it was funny that almost all the area ADV players played open, and the tourney was won by a adv player that was playing open.It was a fun tourney though regardless of the drama.I did feel bad for the INT players that played ADV, although Heerens running mate {one of the best ADV players I know, a person easily capable of playing pro} probaly would have won adv. anyway.



Did he play open or adv? Whether or not your bashing me is inconsequential.....the sarcasm left by others on this thread lead me to think they may have been jumping to conclusions. Chris can play any division he wants, again, inconsequential, to me. Sounds like it was a pretty cool time with the limits that were played.

He has now posted on here more than once that in DID in fact play ADVANCED.

ALL SARCASM aside...he played advanced at an unsanctioned event. Could he have - apparently. Should he have - certainly not.

I, Chris Heeren, admit to have played an advanced tournament! lol My punishment will be to go play PRO next weekend at the Howler Doubles tournament with a rec player that has never played a tournament before! :)

Now your beginning to sound like the 'old' me. I hated the fact these pro/should be pro players play down and kick the snot out of adv players. But it was unsanctioned, so what!

I used to think like this. I no longer do. We (adv) have the choice to play with the big boys or keep our balls tucked in and play adv. Now, the PDGA is or possibly considering, letting Pros with <955 ratings to play in adv. Better get used to it.

A wise person told me a few months ago to 'stop whining about others game and concentrate on your own!' (props to John Cavaletto for setting me straight)

Well,

I know I have exhausted more energy on this than what it was really worth. I was just following my buddy John Knudson's lead by giving Chris his 'mad props' for the Adv Win. I guess I won't bother posting in this thread anymore until Chris finds a way to do something else dumb.

I dunno, technically I played the harder division, the 2 highest rated players were in Advanced :) . . .

Chris, I guess you won't be making the tournament this weekend at Idlewild. I saw your signature on Idlewild's hole 4 "walk of fame" -- what did you think of how the course looks this year?

I think the course looks awesome! It just moved up from my #2 course to my #1 course over Renny Gold! You guys are defintally doing a great job over there, I wish I could play that tournament but that's a little to far to go for a weekend trip. If I wasn't in school right now I would be out there for sure. I'm hoping for an A tier out there some day :)

Chris you gonna make it to the 7th Turkey Shoot Out on the 14th or school gonna keep you home then?

I'm trying to find someone else to ride with, if I do I'll be down there!

Hope to see ya there. Got any opinions of Ox Bow?

I think the course looks awesome! It just moved up from my #2 course to my #1 course over Renny Gold! You guys are defintally doing a great job over there, I wish I could play that tournament but that's a little to far to go for a weekend trip. If I wasn't in school right now I would be out there for sure. I'm hoping for an A tier out there some day :)



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Chris looks like you are doing a nice job this year but the contour crew still has some work to do to catch Barry :)

keep up the good work. what was Barry's rating when he was your age? :D

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