i was just woundering how many people that play discgolf are christians and go to church on a steady basis and if you let it be known are do you keep it to yourself because of how you think your friends might react if they knew you where?

personnally i have lost a few friends,but for the most part my true friends have accepted me for who i have become and have even given me a nickname "preacher man" i like it because it allows me to change hearts one putt at a time.
whats your thought?

I'm a christian...on my truck right between all the disc golf stuff is a fish. I'm active in the baptist student union at my university as well

I may lose a few friends here, but I have to ask. Why is it OK for Christians to go around and give their testament and try to convert people and no one is really bothered by it (or at least no one condemns them for it), but when an atheist stands up and is proud of their atheism, they are looked at as a pariah?
I usually don't discuss religion(s) because they are all equally wothless in my eyes and have been the biggest waste of humanity's time and resources since the dawn of recorded history. Plus, it's a waste of time to talk to close-minded individuals who refuse to believe they could be wrong.

Question: If you put an atheist, a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, and a Christian in a room and told them they couldn't come out until they honestly admitted they could be wrong, what would happen?
Answer: The four dogmatic ones would starve. The atheist wouldn't miss a meal.

Seriously, you people can believe what you want to. Just don't try to direct my life with your hypocritical beliefs (i.e. keep your god out of public schools, out of the legal system, and out of the government), keep your beliefs to yourself in public unless asked (i.e. don't force your god on me when I'm trying to enjoy a casual round) and don't blow me up (or otherwise harm me) because I don't believe in your particular god.

I describe religion as "one's personal relationship with God [supply your own definition of "God"], and that's how I think it should be kept, personal.

Preach on! :) Religion is a subject that usually always starts and ends with some kind of debate. I hate getting into it. I just know that my beliefs are personal to me, as is my relationship with god. I dont need to go around and hanging out with other people (including attending a money making business such as a church) to enjoy my religious beliefs.

Half of the people that you see at church are there for the wrong reasons to begin with, probably more than half. And who is to say what the right reasons would be? What does going to church have to do with your christianity? A chuch is an unnecessary bridge between an person and god.

I am not saying its not alright for a bunch of religious buffs to sit around and discuss. But dont force your beliefs on someone you know doesnt want to hear it... Dont push personal beliefs on myself or others... Most people I know dont like that kind of practice :) (And here I am, pushing my beliefs on the topic of religious beliefs on some of you guys... shame shame :) )

I apologize if this is viewed as insulting because it was not written to be so. This is all I will say just because it was touched in the 2 posts before mine.

I think most people, religious or not, will agree that they hate it when total strangers come up to them and start talking about religion and why theirs is right. What has given them the privelege to step into that territory with you? However, why has religion become such a personal subject these days? You can only ask the standard "What is your name, where are you from, what do you do?" kind of questions so many times before people begin to realize that you don't really care. When people begin to get to know each other better, other subjects naturally become a more acceptable topic of conversation, such as politics, family issues, and even religion. I spend most of my time surrounded by people who don't believe what I believe. I have learned great amounts about them and myself by discussing religion with them. I think they understand that I don't look down upon them for their beliefs and I hope they don't look down upon me. It seems to me that people who automatically bring up religion in a confrontational manner with everyone they meet do not pay homage to their own beliefs and instead convey insincerity and fail to show that they care about others, thus cheapening the faith that they are trying to honor. Loving others is part of all religions and religious people should display this by not attacking others with their faith. On the other hand, those who feel attacked should be grown up enough to say that they don't wish to discuss religion and move on to another subject without getting so offended. You can't expect everyone ot be a perfect judge of the comfort level that has been reached between two people and when certain subjects are fair play.

I don't think the the starter of this thread was asking for a religious debate, I think he was asking how many Christians out there play disc golf.

I for one let others know that I'm a Christian by wearing a cross around my neck, if they want to talk about religion, all they have to do is ask.

I am a Christian. I do not wear my beliefs on my shirt sleeve! I practice the "don't ask, don't tell" type of belief. I try to show my religion in the way I act, what I do, instead of preaching.
I have found that the quickest way to lose friends is to try to tell them HOW to live. We already have too many zealots who think THEY have the answer. I wouldn't appreciate a Muslim telling me how to live, or a Jew, or a Catholic for that matter. Most all wars have been caused by religion, from the Crusades to the Taliban! The "do as I say or you're going to hell" routine went the way of Jimmy Swaggart and Tammy Faye.
The answer lies within and SHOULD be between yourself and "Big Ernie". I don't attend a church because of all the "Sunday Christians". I have my discussions with "Ernie" on a daily basis. Especially when I gaack a 15' putt!
Preach if you must, but use common sense. Don't drive people away with your message. ;)

How many Buddhists play Guts?

Frisbyterian

you are correct all i'am trying to do is see how many people who play disc golf are christians,but i guess some people might consider that to be that i'am trying to preach to them when i'am not.just to set the record strieght i don't go around w/ a disc in one hand and the ten commandments in the other all the while preaching the gossiple as i'am going down the fareway.i to perfer the don't ask don't tell approch,i.e. if they don't ask then i don't tell,and if i'am asked then i try to keep it brief as to not make anyone uncomfortable w/ the conversation.if they want to talk more about it i usaully wait till after the round .i to perfer to let my actions do the speaking for who i'am as a person.i go to church about 3 to 4 times a week but thats just the type of person i'am. so if i have offended anyone by starting this thread i'am sorry and if you fell the need to bash me then please fill free to look up my profile and bash away at me in a privet nessage

Disc Wobbler,

I commend your efforts to find out more about those people that you play the game with. I personally am a believer and a witness to the power and grace of the love of Jesus Christ. I practice the "if you ask I will share" philosophy. I understand how easily people get turned off by the disc golf evanglist and we should strive to set an example of Christs' love, not beat it down peoples throats. The wonderful thing about God's Grace is that it is a free gift to be accepted or not. Free will and Grace are some of the keys that distinguish Christianity from other belief systems. The person that wrote about it being personal is right. Your relationship with Christ, whether it is good or bad is your relationship and can only be handled by you and Christ. Walk the Walk and you life and actions will speak volumes!!

...Question: If you put an atheist, a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, and a Christian in a room and told them they couldn't come out until they honestly admitted they could be wrong, what would happen?
Answer: The four dogmatic ones would starve. The atheist wouldn't miss a meal....



Dan,

With all respect I would propose that the atheist may starve also. Anyone bold enough to make such a claim has lots of faith and must be quite sure of themself. I would suggest that a person who is not sure whether or not God exists is an agnostic. I'm not just splitting hairs. I think it's a very important distinction. Personally I think that atheism takes more faith than theism.

I'm a Christian. Jesus is by far the best thing in my life! But I've never tried to push my beliefs on anyone while playing disc golf.

forgiven,

Dane Rodgers, originally from Texas has a club called "DiscGolfersforChrist"

Not sure of the URL Ill try to find it for you :D

...I understand how easily people get turned off by the disc golf evanglist and we should strive to set an example of Christs' love, not beat it down peoples throats...



Dischappy,

Have you actually ever seen a "disc golf evangelist" or seen someone on a DG course "beat it down people's throats"? I never have. Frankly I've only met very few Christian disc golfers anyway.

...(i.e. don't force your god on me when I'm trying to enjoy a casual round) and don't ...



Dan,

Have you ever actually had someone try to force their God on you while playing disc golf? Just wondering.

I'm a Christian. Jesus is by far the best thing in my life! But I've never tried to push my beliefs on anyone while playing disc golf.



i fell the same way lowe ,as far as pushing my beliefs on someone i really don't do that.i wear tee shirt that proclaim my love of christ and if someone see it and asks me about it then i tell them why i wear the shirt and what jesus means to me thats all.first and foremost i'am there just to play a good round of golf(hopefully under par) like everyone else

Lowe,

Agnostic - A person who believes that the human mind cannot know whether there is a God or ultimate cause, or anything beyond material phenomena.

Atheist - A person who believes there is no God.

These definitions are from Webster's New World Dictionary

I do not know the limits of the human mind and would not be so pretentious as to say I did. I do not believe in god. By these definitions, I qualify as an atheist, not as an agnostic.

It does not take faith to be an atheist. Faith is for people like Plato who doubt the reality that is presented to them every day. (If you would like to have a deeper discussion about this, you can get in touch with me at the e-mail address on my account. I don't have much time, but will try to get back to you if you wish. As a precursor to this potential discussion, may I recommend the book Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology by Ayn Rand.)


I have not been bothered by Christians on the disc golf course. (Disc golfers are the best people!) I have been harassed and harangued by Christians in shoppping center parking lots, 2 different college campuses, at work (when I was delivering pizzas - I can think of at least 3 separate occasions), and, the worst ones of all, at my own house repeated times by Christians who ignored the 'No soliciting' sign and proceeded to attempt to sell their god to me anyway. (Funny story - Once when one of these people rang my bell and wanted to talk to me about Christ, I told him sure - with the proviso that when he was finished I would get to tell him about Set - the Egyptian god of chaos and evil. When he asked why, I explained that I worshipped Set and thought it was only fair that we give each other a chance to see what the other's religion was all about in case we were interested in converting. Without a word, he left my porch. :confused: Well, I thought it was funny.)

as far as pushing my beliefs on someone i really don't do that.i wear tee shirt that proclaim my love of christ



How would you feel if you saw someone on the disc golf course (or anywhere) that was wearing a shirt that said "Jesus was a communist" or "Buddha ate Jesus" or "God is dead"? Would you be a little offended? Would you be a little uncomfortable playing a round with that person? Would you feel that by publicly displaying their beliefs so vehemently that they were, in essence, forcing them on you?

I was baptised, confirmed, and everything in between Catholic. As soon as I was old enough to really think about it, I realized how stupid it all is and now instead of following one of the world religions, I live based on the simple natural laws and a mix of many religions, heavily buddhism. I think that people should follow their own beliefs instead of being constricted by any one religion. I don't care who supposedly inspired anyone to start a religion, it was still JUST a man. Don't agree with religion, make your own.

And don't tell me how I'm wrong, because I could give a [*****] about what you think about my choices. You think I'm going to hell, I'll see you there. :)

I think there should be seperation of the church and the state of disc golf.

How would you feel if you saw someone on the disc golf course (or anywhere) that was wearing a shirt that said "Jesus was a communist" or "Buddha ate Jesus" or "God is dead"? Would you be a little offended? Would you be a little uncomfortable playing a round with that person? Would you feel that by publicly displaying their beliefs so vehemently that they were, in essence, forcing them on you?



That right there is the best question yet. Seriously. You have put it quite clearly.

Lowe,

Agnostic - A person who believes that the human mind cannot know whether there is a God or ultimate cause, or anything beyond material phenomena.

Atheist - A person who believes there is no God.

These definitions are from Webster's New World Dictionary...


...It does not take faith to be an atheist.



Dan,
Thanks for the reply. Respectfully, I beg to differ. All I'm trying to say is that any statements about the spiritual realm are statements of faith. If you notice in the definitions you gave the main verb is "believe". So I think it does take faith to be an atheiest, an agnostic, or a theist. To me, though, faith is not some mystical experience but merely placing our trust in what side we believe to have the most evidence. It is similar to what a judge does in a court of law -- after weighing the evidence he decides.

Almost, Rhett and Lowe:
Well said, all!
:)

P.S.
You too, Cashed! :D

oops, Switzer too! :D

All I'm trying to say is that any statements about the spiritual realm are statements of faith. If you notice in the definitions you gave the main verb is "believe". So I think it does take faith to be an atheiest, an agnostic, or a theist. To me, though, faith is not some mystical experience but merely placing our trust in what side we believe to have the most evidence. It is similar to what a judge does in a court of law -- after weighing the evidence he decides.



Lowe,
Interesting that you should bring up the word evidence. There is no evidence either way - faith even requires a lack of evidence. A belief in nothing is not really a belief - it is a denial of other beliefs, or other theories. The burden of proof is on the person who presents the hypothesis, just as the burden of proof is on the prosecution in a court of law. You don't indict a person and then tell the defense to proof they didn't do it, you indict someone (propose a theory) and then you present evidence to convict them (support your theory).
Christians have a theory about a god. The thing is, instead of offering objective proof of its existence, they tell the non-believers that they have to prove it doesn't exist! Why is theology the ONLY subject in which people are allowed to pervert the rules of logic?
I believe it is probable that there is life on other planets. (As do many other humans.) Is it a fact? Do we expect people to accept this idea with no proof? Absolutely not. It's a theory, an idea of what we think exists. In order to prove this theory, we will have to present evidence. Until we present this objective, irrefutable evidence, it is only a theory and we have nothing to help us with our case.
It's the same with Christianity. What's your undeniable evidence? How are you going to prove your case? As an atheist, I merely believe your theory (and others) is (are) wrong. That would make me the defense in a court case. I don't have to prove anything. I only have to refute your evidence.
To be honest with you, I don't think the 'evidence' Christians have would be enough for any D.A. wishing to keep his job to bring an indictment. However, you are welcome to try and prove me wrong /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif.

i was just woundering how many people that play discgolf are christians and go to church on a steady basis and if you let it be known are do you keep it to yourself because of how you think your friends might react if they knew you where?


I mention sometimes that I don't play a lot of Sunday tournaments, or that I'm glad league doesn't start any earlier or I'd have to find a different church. I don't preach but I try to answer questions honestly. My understanding does not require that I evangelize but it does require that I stand up and be counted, or stand up and be knocked down, whichever.

Christian disc golfer standing up to be counted.

-------------------------

What if tomorrow, and what if today,
Faced with the question,
Oh what would you say?

Micheal W. Smith

How would you feel if you saw someone on the disc golf course (or anywhere) that was wearing a shirt that said "Jesus was a communist" or "Buddha ate Jesus" or "God is dead"? Would you be a little offended? Would you be a little uncomfortable playing a round with that person? Would you feel that by publicly displaying their beliefs so vehemently that they were, in essence, forcing them on you?



That right there is the best question yet. Seriously. You have put it quite clearly.



I'll put an answer forward...
I would not be offended. Their shirt would not effect my comfort level while playing a round of golf with them. I would not think that they were somehow forcing their beliefs on me.

I have many friends, with whom I play golf frequently, who share similar beliefs as those express above. I also play golf frequently with people who wear shirts that communicate similar messages.

I may take the shirt as an open invitation to discuss the subject, though. :D

All I'm trying to say is that any statements about the spiritual realm are statements of faith. If you notice in the definitions you gave the main verb is "believe". So I think it does take faith to be an atheiest, an agnostic, or a theist. To me, though, faith is not some mystical experience but merely placing our trust in what side we believe to have the most evidence. It is similar to what a judge does in a court of law -- after weighing the evidence he decides.



Lowe,
Interesting that you should bring up the word evidence. There is no evidence either way - faith even requires a lack of evidence. A belief in nothing is not really a belief - it is a denial of other beliefs, or other theories. The burden of proof is on the person who presents the hypothesis, just as the burden of proof is on the prosecution in a court of law. You don't indict a person and then tell the defense to proof they didn't do it, you indict someone (propose a theory) and then you present evidence to convict them (support your theory).
Christians have a theory about a god. The thing is, instead of offering objective proof of its existence, they tell the non-believers that they have to prove it doesn't exist! Why is theology the ONLY subject in which people are allowed to pervert the rules of logic?
I believe it is probable that there is life on other planets. (As do many other humans.) Is it a fact? Do we expect people to accept this idea with no proof? Absolutely not. It's a theory, an idea of what we think exists. In order to prove this theory, we will have to present evidence. Until we present this objective, irrefutable evidence, it is only a theory and we have nothing to help us with our case.
It's the same with Christianity. What's your undeniable evidence? How are you going to prove your case? As an atheist, I merely believe your theory (and others) is (are) wrong. That would make me the defense in a court case. I don't have to prove anything. I only have to refute your evidence.
To be honest with you, I don't think the 'evidence' Christians have would be enough for any D.A. wishing to keep his job to bring an indictment. However, you are welcome to try and prove me wrong /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif.




This is going to be a bit of a drive by posting, because the topic you're going into is definitely off topic for this board, and I'm not sure how much bandwidth we should dedicate to it here... however...

The above post is chock full of fallacies (equivocation is likely at the epistemological core of the statement about atheism being a default defensive position - false dilemma or false analogy is likely the source for the presentation of the court of law analogy), bad thinking (scienticism is likely the source of your incorrect statement about evidence) and blatant disinformation about theology.

Ironically, the above statements also likely pervert the definition of atheism into something so broad as to become meaningless.

Like I said, my statements are kind of a drive by posting, because I'm not sure how much I'm willing to carry the discussion here as it is off topic on a private board. I'd be happy to further expose the faults in the thinking elsewhere, though.

I think I may be offended, and see them in some new, strange light, but would still throw with them, unless they were total buttnuggets.......

How would you feel if you saw someone on the disc golf course (or anywhere) that was wearing a shirt that said "Jesus was a communist" or "Buddha ate Jesus" or "God is dead"? Would you be a little offended? Would you be a little uncomfortable playing a round with that person? Would you feel that by publicly displaying their beliefs so vehemently that they were, in essence, forcing them on you?




I see the toaist yin/yang symbol on discs, t-shirts, tournament logos and disc golf club logos all the time. It does not offend me. Large numbers of disc golfers ascribe to an essentially hippy-taoist worldview, and I find those people to be kind, generous and fun to shoot a round with.

I've seen anti-christian and anti-jesus t-shirts at the disc golf course too, although never on a tournament player. Those don't offend me but they scare me a little. Almost anyone whose worldview is defined by what or who they hate is a little scary to me.

When I was in college [in the 70s] it was very common to have unthreatening discussions about religious differences. Daubir was a Sikh, Peck-Hoon was a Buddhist and Tim was a Baptist. Tony was a neo-pagan spiritualist, I was a card carrying member of the Students International Meditation Society and Jim was a "Methodist with questions."

Seems like now if you were to put any two of those sort of folks in the same room, you better hire a referee and issue 16 ounce gloves. Not that they would use them if folding chairs were handy! :D

O.k., lets start a second poll: how long 'til this thread devolves to mean name calling and Theo or Nick deletes it? I'm putting my $2 on this Friday at 4:12 p.m.

winner gets to donate the cash to the religion or group of his choosing :D

I may take the shirt as an open invitation to discuss the subject, though. :D



Unfortunately my experience has been that simply getting near a person with a pro-religious messaged shirt is taken as an invitation to discuss the subject, so I end up avoiding some people that might be perfectly cool. :confused:

I may take the shirt as an open invitation to discuss the subject, though. :D



Unfortunately my experience has been that simply getting near a person with a pro-religious messaged shirt is taken as an invitation to discuss the subject, so I end up avoiding some people that might be perfectly cool. :confused:



Many people like to talk about a wide variety of things that are significant, or exciting, in their lives.

Perhaps there is a hyper sensitivity to this one?

Bruce Bakel:
I think you're being optimistic. I'll take this Thursday, midnight.
:D

i was just woundering how many people that play discgolf are christians and go to church on a steady basis and if you let it be known are do you keep it to yourself because of how you think your friends might react if they knew you where?



It is amazing to me how one question can spark such debate! I don't think this thread was started by asking how you feel about spreading your belief. I think he was just asking if any disc golfers were christians. Why do some believe that this is a threatening question and have to start a debate about beliefs? I don't have that answer and don't think I ever will.

I am a Christian, I play disc golf and my beliefs are my personnal choice, just as everyone elses beliefs are theirs. Also, for all you debaters out there, I don't recall ever seeing anyone in my 25+ years of playing disc golf evangelizing on the disc golf course unsolicited. I have expressed my beliefs to others, but only after I was asked how I belive.

This thread was started as a questionaire, not as a place for debate. Why not keep it as a questionaire. If you want to debate your beliefs, start a thread and ask for a debate.

My thoughts, like them or not.

This thread was started as a questionaire, not as a place for debate. Why not keep it as a questionaire.



Ok, here is my contribution to this 'questionaire'...

I am a Christian,
I attend church on a regular basis,
I play disc golf (every single day, literally),
Above explained t-shirts don't offend me.

If anyone wants any other info you can p.m. me or email me or whatever.

Oh, one more thing... The frisbeetarian thing in my signature is a joke, don't want anyone thinking I am polytheistic or anything. :eek:

I accept either groups, as long as they're not extremists.

Remember, if everyone was just like you, there would be no one to blame.

O.k., lets start a second poll: how long 'til this thread devolves to mean name calling and Theo or Nick deletes it? I'm putting my $2 on this Friday at 4:12 p.m.



I really think it would be hypocritical to delete the thread as long as the discussion can stay on a mature and friendly level. It has been pointed out that many threads on this board also have nothing to do with disc golf - they have not / are not being deleted.
Secondly, I don't see a reason for this to degenerate into mean name calling. We're all adults and we can have a grow-up conversation about this. Trust me on this. I HATE religion. I hate what it has done to humanity. I hate what it continues to do to humanity. But, I'm not going to resort to name calling. That doesn't prove, solve or help anything.
Besides, if I have learned one thing in my life, it is very, very rare that someone's mind is changed by this sort of debate. If you are going to be an atheist or a Christian or a Muslim or a Hindu, that is a personal choice that you have to make on your own. When you are comfortable with your decision and believe it is the right one for you, you will make it.

If anyone wants any other info you can p.m. me or email me or whatever.



I want other info... what did you buy with my five dollars? :mad::D

<<<< Loves Jesus and Plays DIsc Golf :D

Unfortunately my experience has been that simply getting near a person with a pro-religious messaged shirt is taken as an invitation to discuss the subject, so I end up avoiding some people that might be perfectly cool. :confused:



Does that mean my "Disc Golfer's For Christ" t-shirt will work as Rhett repellant? :p

Does that mean my "Disc Golfer's For Christ" t-shirt will work as Rhett repellant? :p



You should be so lucky! :)

If anyone wants any other info you can p.m. me or email me or whatever.



I want other info... what did you buy with my five dollars? :mad::D



I used it to buy a z-predator. I lost my other one last monday, and I needed to get a new one for the Wintertime Open this weekend. All of the money that I make on the course, stays in disc golf, so I never have to use any of my other money to buy discs or course fees. In essence, you and Mike, and the rest of the 15 or so ppl that saw my ace and gave me money are my sponsors. So I can consider myself a "sponsored" golfer :D

Your soul goes to the roof (Steady Ed, not Jesus) ..can we leave it at that..this is not the place or the time to debate religion...disc golf doesn't need this debate..it is a worldwide sport....not an organized religion, just our religion

uh...why not? I like the expression that goes "if you don't like it, don't look."

you and Mike, and the rest of the 15 or so ppl that saw my ace and gave me money are my sponsors. So I can consider myself a "sponsored" golfer :D



Cool - you're going on my tax itemization now.

For more posts on a related topic you can also check out the thread on the old message board called "Disc Golfers for Jesus???". You can read it at http://www.pdga.com/discus/messages/41/5450.html?
Only a small amount of the discussion got transferred over to this New message board, so to read the whole thing you have to go back to the old board.

aight big up jesus of nazereth!!!!

big up his wife mary magdalene!!!!!

big up his daughter sarah!!!!!

big up david and solomon!!!!!

big up haile selassie christs direct ancestor!!!!!

i love christ-his only mistake was not sticking around to keep his eye on the false tounged who bend his philosophy of compassion into one of intolerence...

Perhaps if discussion on the course was only small talk, I could understand those who say that issues of religion and faith are out-of-bounds there. However, I have found that people don't hesitate to make lewd conversation about their sexual conquests, recount stories of being drunk or stoned, and use language that would make a Marine blush. If all of that is considered okay by the DG community, certainly talking about what the Lord has done in our lives can't be so bad.

And BTW, here's to more Saturday-only PDGAs like Mooky's Cup in High Point, NC tomorrow.

True dat, Drew. Happy birthday to Bob Marley today!

man have i created a monster or what.i go out of town for one week and look what happens.i must say that it was never my intent to start such a debate but to merlly ask the question are there other discgolfers out there.i would like to thank everyone who has had something to say on this thread and would like to keep it going as long as we can all agree to keep it friendly and agree to disagree with other views that don't agree with your

You sure are polite. I think it is great we can talk about what ever we want. We can even disagree! What a beautiful place we live...
Back on topic...
I am not a Christian. I have no problems with Christians (specifically). When I am playing disc golf, I doubt I would want to get into any kind of philisophical conversation, but that is mainly because I have to focus on throwing the little frisbees toward the basket. Most scenerios I have been in, it is not difficult to end a conversation you wish not to take part in without offending anyone...However- a casual round is entirley different, and would not mind a deep convo to get the gears turning in new directions.

The problem with complaining about abrasive language when spouted by the truly abrasive is that it merely encourages them.

Here is the link for disc golfers for christ (http://dgfc.org) .

Unfortunately the only thing there is an email address and an order form.

thanks gnduke
i'll look into that web site :D

Is that supposed to be some kind of discussion board? Give me some more info gnduke?

Don't know what it is, I ran across it trying to find shorter domains for the DiscGolfersForCancer.com (http://www.discgolfersforcancer.com/)
website.

it's the thought that counts gnduke
i'll email them and see what it's all about
i'll keep you updated as soon as i hear back
from them :cool:

just tryed to email them and you gotta go through a bunch of steps to get into there email system.i don't want to go through all that on my computer at work,maybe someone else can and let us know whats up nwith that email site :cool:

are there any christian discgolfers going to the memorial this mounth in az.?

I wish that I was :(

There will be a Chapel service at the Dogwood Crosstown Classic in Raleigh NC, on Sunday, May 2. It will be at the Zebulon course (Male Pro Open) at 8:00 a.m. We'll first gather in the parking lot near the 1st tee and go to a place close by. The chapel service will last 20 minutes, so if you're a player you'll still have plenty of time to warm up.

If you might be interested in attending please drop me an email at Lyrh@usa.com? It would be helpful to have some idea of how many people might be there.

Everyone is invited!

Also, if you have any prayer requests you can track me down there as well. (Sorry, but requests to score well or win the tournament will not be accepted. For some that would be a true miracle!)

Hope to see you there,
Lowe Bibby

Also, if you have any prayer requests you can track me down there as well. (Sorry, but requests to score well or win the tournament will not be accepted. For some that would be a true miracle!)



:) :D :D

I just thought I'd resurrect a good thread.

I just created a Facebook group called "Christian Disc Golfers", so join if you're interested.

If all of the so called "Christians" on here are what they say they are, I have not seen 1 person say that they are to preach the gospel, to stand up against the naysayers? Look at 2 Tim 4:1-11 (KJV). It is a battle, a fight, you are supposed to stand up for the truth. You are to rebuke others who are teaching false doctrine. All through Paul's epistles you are told to stand for the truth. Paul calls you (the saved person) a "good soldier" in 2 Tim 2:1-5 and again tells you to commit his message to faithful men. It's not gonna be easy, Paul even has to pray for boldness that he will open his mouth (Eph 6:18-20) You canot "make" someone believe something. I agree about not forcing it on people, but, you are to set the table, it's not up to you if the person eats or not, but if you believe the bible and want to do as you are instructed, you as A BELIEVER have the responsibility to witness to others.
What has screwed it up and turned people away is the religious systems of today. They all preach that it has to do with how you live your life: don't smoke, cuss, drink, do drugs, all that good stuff, when in fact what needs to be taught is that CHRIST DIED FOR YOUR SINS, WAS BURIED AND ROSE AGAIN THE 3RD DAY. (not yelling, emphasizing) The churches today put too much of you into it. You don't have to live a good life, it doesn't depend on what you do, it's what CHRIST DID for you. Every one of on this board and in the world sins every day. Once you take care of the outward stuff I listed above, you still have the inward thoughts and mind to deal with. Romans 5:8 says " But God commendeth his love toward us, in that,While we WERE YET SINNERS, Christ died for us. Don't try to police peoples lives, get them saved, and let the Holy Spirit work in them and let GOD give the increase. That's what turns people off, telling them how they need to do this and that and "staighten up their lives"

My 2 cents, and then some.

Setting the table also needs to be attractive and winsome so that people want to come to the table in the first place. For me, God's grace is one of His most appealing characteristics. I don't know of anywhere else that you can find someone who knows you totally, including your secret thoughts "even before there is a word on your tongue", yet He loves you unconditionally! I've found love like that nowhere else.

As you said, God's grace was His love for us before we even turned to Him . We don't have to try to "clean up our act" and "do good things" because we can't. God's grace alone supplies all we need and makes us new people. Who wouldn't want that free gift?

...Question: If you put an atheist, a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, and a Christian in a room and told them they couldn't come out until they honestly admitted they could be wrong, what would happen?
Answer: The four dogmatic ones would starve. The atheist wouldn't miss a meal....



Dan,

With all respect I would propose that the atheist may starve also. Anyone bold enough to make such a claim has lots of faith and must be quite sure of themself. I would suggest that a person who is not sure whether or not God exists is an agnostic. I'm not just splitting hairs. I think it's a very important distinction. Personally I think that atheism takes more faith than theism.


this atheist, for one, wouldn't starve.

i'm very comfortable in knowing that i don't know what underlies the creation of the universe or if there are many universes, or parallel dimensions, or time travel, or one god, or many gods. upon my death, i may or may not be blessed with the answers to those questions.

i do know that if i pause when agitated and seek a second opinion other than the cartman in my head that always says, "screw you guys, i'm going home", that better answers always come. the more frequently i appeal to that other voice, the fewer problems i have, the better i relate to others, and the better i feel about myself.

many would say that the other voice is the voice of god. i don't view it that way, but maybe i'm wrong.

It was only a matter of time Cam...geesh...they stuck that stuff in your skull :D

It was only a matter of time Cam...geesh...they stuck that stuff in your skull :D



I've known this way before I lived in OK Murph. You can't talk to people that don't care though. I've had this conversation with most of my friends there. It's everyone's free choice, but only a fool says there is no God. ;) Miss ya bud, hope to make it out there sometime soon. Then we can have a beer and discuss religion /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I'm reading a great book called Of the Mortification of Sin in Believers written by the British theologian John Owen in 1656. I'd highly recommend it!

You can even get it as a pdf from Christian Classics Ethereal Library (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/owen/mort.i.i.html?highlight=mortification,of,sin#highl ight)