I just wanted to get some prefrences on good midranges discs and why you think it is a good midrange disc?

I carry two midranges with me.. For shots that I feel are just too long for me to putt comfortably , I use a Comet, and when a shot is too short for my driver, but too long for me to get my Comet there...or needs to curve around a tree; I throw a Z-Buzzz...the system works very well for me, your mileage may vary. :)

Innova Spider. It's smaller diameter fits my hand better and feels less lid like than a Shark, Roc, MRV etc. You can hyzer it, throw it straight 90% then it fades left, or anhyzer it. The DX version seems a little less overstable i.e. straighter to me than the Proline/Champion version. I did a throw off on a football field with the Spider, Gremlin, Roc, Shark, Aurora MS, MRV, Hawk, Comet and probably one or two others I forget, and found the Spider to be the most consistent and reliable for me.

I carry 4 demons. One super beat G5i at 169 for s-curves, straight to fade shots around 300. One super beat G6i at 175 for turnovers and dead straight gliders up to about 315. One new G5i for very overstable shots and howling headwinds around 250. One worn H Scout for controlled skips, straight to left and skip shots about 250.

They are great discs. I am beginning to throw them a little too far and I would like a slower midrange, so I am experimenting with Photon WASP's and XD's. Roc's have never worked for me.

Still gets me how you guys talk about using midrange discs on 300' shots. That's about 100' further than I can chuck my drivers on average (although I have come close to 250' a couple times!!)

Scooter, there's actual footage and message board distances. :D
Just play your own game. KL

DTM38, you may find that a really overstable driver makes a great mid-range disc. That's if you are in the position on the course to throw a lot of hyzer or really need to bend one hard around a corner. I use Banshees and Monsters for these types of shots. The overstableness will make sure the disc hits the ground (no unnecessary float-bys). For tunnel mid-range shots I have been mixing in the DX Cobra, Champ Cobra, Champ Panther, and Z-Buzzz. They fill the spectrum for me for the more traditional mid-ranges.

Couldn't agree more, great speckled bird or was it a flying reptile. Whatever. I completely agree on using overstable drivers for a variety of mid-range shots; for me Firebirds and Monsters. When those sharp edged dudes spike out of the sky they by god stay where they hit, no roll offs. I'll even occasionally use them for the odd anhyzer you want to come back right at the end of a lofted flight. My standard "straight" mid-ranges are similar as well - Champ Cobra, Z-Buzzzzz and a beat X-Storm for putts that are closer to mid-range.

I bet the new Candy whippet is even better......good and slow, and overstable, with a fat edge....

WX baby, WX good!!!

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I hope your talking about your disc. :D

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You bad bad boy.....

Z wasps Z buzz's all the way. I carry different weights for Hyzer Straight and Anhyzer that works for me :Dn DISCRAFT ALL THE WAY IMO!!! :D I can get mine to go about 350. But deffinatly play your own game dont try to throw far its not all its cracked up to be. Drive or SHOW and putt for DOUGH. Work on your concistency and Accuracy before you start tryin to throw 500 or something the later is was less important ;)

I couldn't agree more. Work on your accuracy. Distance will come later. I carry three midrange disc's. I carry a max weight z-wasp for stright to left shots around 300'. A 170g Z-Buzzz for dead straight shots to about 300' and a Z-Hawk for my right turns out to about 300'. I am toying with taking the Z-Hawk out of the bag and trying a Z-Breeze. Has anybody thrown one of these yet? I have also thought about trying an x-comet. Anyway...the Z-Wasp and Z-Buzzz are pretty sweet discs.

I really don't like the Breeze. If you do change, go with the Comet.

I didnt like the breeze much anyway.....stick with the WASP and BUZZZ......hawks arent bad...

The breeze can only be thrown at very low speeds with any kinda of control is what i have found. I would get a Pro D wasp and beat the hell out of it or just stay with the hawk if i were you.

Yeah, beating a Wasp is good. I choose to throw beat DX Rocs rather than beat D Wasps. Rocs are a little easier to beat up. Already a little bit less stable and the plastic isn't as hard.

I havent tried the X-Wasp or D-Wasp, but LOVE my Z-Buzz, for a less stable Z-WASP.....

Still have my CE Spider in the bag, but he hasnt come out to play much lately....

well to beat up my disc i just take them to Cass Benton and throw them as hard as i can into the trees about a hundred times of i give them to someone to beat it up or i just buy one thats already beat. but i agree that the rocs are easier to beat up but if you can get a beat wasp i think i like those better they tend to come back right before they hit the ground so they dont roll out as much

Cong, you gotta try the X-Wasp. Don't get a black one. White ones are the shizzle.

As Kevin McCoy says, they are the "money" disc.

I really like the Breeze, but I don't think it would be a good replacement for a Hawk. I use my (164g) Breeze for most shots inside 100' now. Since it will go that distance with only a flick of the wrist, I find it easier to be accurate. This is especially true of approach shots around an obstacle - you can really take advantage of your full reach. Beyond 100' though, you're better off sticking with other midranges, even for turnover shots. Really, if you're going to replace something with the Breeze, it should be a putter.

only have a proline spider, and x comet in my bag for mid-game...spider for the dependable overstable fade( a couple of long distance, 100-150ft skip in birds), comet for the ez stable glide to the hole. never could get a roc to do what I wanted ...must have been the way I talked to it!

I'm in search for a new midrange. I'm at the point where my demons are flying around 300' and I'm running into consistancy problems because of the demons overstable tendancys. I love the Demon but I would like something slower/ less stable, yet still able to throw 300'. I'm open to any mold from any company. I like the stability and speed of the ROC but it doesn't sit right in my hand. I am used to the small diameter of the Demon, so a smaller disc would be better for me. Can you recomend any discs? Should I stick with the ROC and get used to it? I currently max the rocs at aobut 250'.

I think the Hawk is a highly underrated disc, and would fit your criteria. It feels very similar to a Roc though. The Buzzz would be another possibility, but it's a larger diameter. As for the Breeze, I'm sure it's possible to use it effectively from 300', I just can't do it.

Try a Spider. You may like that. Or try the G6i Demon. Those are pretty straight.

Spider sounds ideal for what you want, as it is much smaller than the wasp, buzz, wasp, hawk, roc.....

DX gators are essentially the same mold, but slightly more overstable, if you seek an overstable small diameter....

Candy Gators are still on the "list" for dave.

If you're out-throwing a Roc with a Demon... :eek:
Try an MRV, or Cobra...I've yet to get a Buzzz ( :D)...
I'm a big Demon fan, and a well beat-in Demon is such a dependable disc...and it actually glides...unlike a new one.

Sounds like the ideal disc for you would be the Storm. A little faster and more stable than the stratus, but not quite the Diameter or Height of the Roc.

I love all demons, but I'm looking for a slower midrange basically. I could probably work the roc's out to ~280 which is fine. The Demon is going into the driver slot! I might also pick up a spider. Thanks for your help!

I was throwing the G5i today. God d amn! I have never seen a midrange that overstable. Not even, (dare I say) a 2001 Roc.

No midrange is more stable than a new speed demon.

that is what the G5i is.

I was agreeing with you. I just used that name for the disc because more people might recognize it.

word.

I'll agree with that. The Speed Demon is the most overtstable thing I've thrown. Even more so than my z Extreme or candy Viper. Mine also skips like crazy! I've never thrown a disc that would get head high skips

that is what the G5i is.



No, a G5i is the Demon. The Speed Demon is a different disc. Both are great and should be tested by everyone!

Well since the 01 rocs arent overstable you prolly shouldnt compare it to that. Domey Dark Blue Z wasps are the most stable i have throw as far as midranges go. Z Wasp And BUZZ all day long though

The most overstable Wasp that I have thrown is the 1st run (ghost Z stamp), burnt orange. Beefy. I have thrown it for a year and it hasn't let up on the stability at all. Very durable.

prolly?

short for probably. im lazy leave me alone. Atleast i have started using punctuation. One step at a time here folks :D

01's aren't overstable? You are talking about the Innova Roc, right?

They are overstable, but even close to the overstability of a Demon.

I have a big hole in my approach game. I carry a candy Spider for overstable and a beat up old PDGA Cobra for understable shots. Both work great for hard turns. Any suggestions for something STRAIGHT? I carry a beat-up classic Rock, but it never feels right in my hand. It flips with too much speed and hooks off overstable and short with too little speed. Maybe a Wasp?

Try a new champion plastic cobra. It is less overstable than the candy spider. If you find it too overstable then take it and throw it into a tree a couple times. Once beat up a little it should fly perfect for you.

Try a DX Roc and a DX Wasp. Both will be overstable initially...but will season more quickly into a straight(er) flyer.
Let us know what you think if you go this route!

I like the Gateway Apache and the Lightning #1 Hookshot for super straight mid range discs BUT I was told my 150g's don't work the same as the heavies.

You can play 'Skip Catch' with the Speed Demon. That thing skips up head high every time! I love throwing FH rollers with the Speed Demon and they make great midrange discs when there is room for a hyzer.

Just get a DX Roc. Throw only that disc for an entire round. 2 things will be accomplished.

1. You will learn it.
2. You will beat it up a little so it will be very straight.

I like the storm for straight shots.

2 Rocs:
Ching for straight to stable
Classic for annie.

Who's Annie?

Surely you remember the Hyzer girl?

at least you don't have to ask who Johnny is:) :eek:

Are the Champ Cobra or XD similar to a Comet?

Neither the Champ Cobra or XD are similar to a Comet. The Champ Cobra is a very straight shooter. The XD is more of a putter than a midrange. If you are looking for a comparison to an Innoca disc, I would say that the Comet is closest to a Shark if anything.

My favorite midranges are Z-Wasp, Z-Buzzz and a DX Gremlin

Demons are very predicable. You're probably thinking...Yeah, but overstable as hell...
BUT, they have a very reliable hyzer. I use mine inside 100' that doesn't yet need a putt, just b/c I know exactly where I'll putt it. I perfer the "H" Demon formerly known as the "Scout"