Could someone please post the differences between a DX Roc and a Pro D WASP. Also comparisons between any other Roc's and any other WASP's. Thanks.

Wasp = Roc. No difference.

I have to disagree. They are close, but the Wasp (for me) is a little more stable. I have thrown Rancho's, Ching's, 9x's, 10x's, 01's, 02's, and 03's. I have also thrown D, X, and Z Wasps. It was always hard for me to get a seasoned Roc to come out of a turn and flex back. I have a beat-to-death D Wasp that turns harder than any Roc I've ever thrown, but when it loses speed it WILL come back pretty hard. This leads me to my fore-mentioned conclusion. Some people say that a Challenger and an Aviar are the same too (usually die-hard Innova throwers)!

I agree that the Pro D Wasp comes back at the end of its flight slightly more than a DX Roc does. 3 other noticeable differences are the grip, the speed and the glide. The DX plastic has a waxy feel with the Pro D is more gummy. The Pro D is faster out of your hand than the DX. The glide of the DX is better than the Pro D. Of all the Rocs/Wasps (I think I've tried just about all of them!!) my current favorite is the Photon Wasp. Grippy even in cold/wet conditions and you don't have to be a mutant to get it to fly straight. The Pro D or DX plastics are more slippery in snowy/rainy conditions. Flight-wise of all the variations the biggest differences come from the CE/Z versions. I've had/thrown Z-Wasps that were silly overstable. The '01 CE Roc is by far the straightest midrange version - why? (Obviously on the wrong thread for that question . . .) The closest Discraft disc to the '01 is the Z-Buzz. I haven't X-Buzzed yet but that's on my to-buy list. Wow - I read all that gibberish above and realize that I may have thrown way too many discs lately . .. nah!!

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Nope, still not - but you're getting closer.

Pretty sure its true that the wasps are faster outta the hand. They dont generally have the glide of a seasoned roc, and maybe because of that reason they seem a little more stable.

I'm not sure where people get off saying the Wasp is a copy of the Roc. If you check out the profiles carefully, they don't even look the same.

I have two of each disc. My Wasps are 171 Photon Glo and 172 X (very new), and my Rocs are 173 DX and 174 KC Pro (11x, no signature).

Flightwise, they are different enough that I rarely have trouble deciding which one to throw. For me, the Wasps are short drivers. I use them whenever I want to rip a straight, accurate shot of about 200-275, with a slight fade at the end. My Photon Wasp is longer, while the X fades more, but that may be because the X is a lot new. Both Wasps are a little bit too overstable for me to turn over reliably, and I don't entirely trust them as shorter accuracy discs. I tend to overshoot or hyzer out too quickly when I'm trying for deadly accuracy in close.

The Rocs, on the other hand, are my sharpshooting discs. If I had to hit a straight shot of 100-200', I'd pick the KC Pro Roc every time. My DX Roc is neutral to slightly understable. I use that one inside 100', for right turns, or whenever I don't have room for a full throwing motion (like around a tree). Rocs zero in on their targets in an uncanny way that sometimes makes you wonder if you're the only one controlling them. For me, though, their effective range ends at around 200'. Beyond that distance, my accuracy with Rocs drops off quickly.

My local course is short and technical, so I'll often carry all midranges. In addition to the Rocs and Wasps, I'll pack a 177 Z Buzzz, which I'll throw whenever it feels right. My newest addition, somewhat of a surprise, is a 164 Breeze. It takes so little effort to throw that I've really improved my short-range accuracy. It's a good putter too.

Well, that was more than I set out to say. Hope it helps.

I'm not sure where people get off saying the Wasp is a copy of the Roc. If you check out the profiles carefully, they don't even look the same.




They look very similar to me. Hmmm..............

they fly very differently though.....ROC understable, WASP overstable....

BUZZZ perfection, and flies more like a ROC.

The profiles of the Roc and the Wasp are different. The MRV is Discrafts exact replica of the Roc. Hold the two up side by side and there will be no denying it. They even fly similar to each other. The Wasp is more overstable than both.

I'm not sure where people get off saying the Wasp is a copy of the Roc. If you check out the profiles carefully, they don't even look the same.




They look very similar to me. Hmmm..............



Similar, yes, but not identical. Not so you'd think they came from the same mold.

The profiles of the Roc and the Wasp are different. The MRV is Discrafts exact replica of the Roc. Hold the two up side by side and there will be no denying it. They even fly similar to each other. The Wasp is more overstable than both.



We agree that the Wasp is more overstable than a Roc. The idea that the MRV and Roc are copies loses alot of steam when you notice that the MRV is a smaller diameter disc and the MRV has no bead. The MRV is faster than a Roc.

The profiles of the Roc and the Wasp are different. The MRV is Discrafts exact replica of the Roc. Hold the two up side by side and there will be no denying it. They even fly similar to each other. The Wasp is more overstable than both.



We agree that the Wasp is more overstable than a Roc. The idea that the MRV and Roc are copies loses alot of steam when you notice that the MRV is a smaller diameter disc and the MRV has no bead. The MRV is faster than a Roc.



I agree. Wasp is closer to a Roc than an MRV.

I have 2 Wasps and 2 Rocs in my bag. Z-Wasp for overstable midrange, X-Wasp for slightly overstable midrange (use this disc the most), DX Roc for straight shots, beat DX Roc for turnovers.

I think that my X-Wasp is the same stability as a new KC Roc. It is just a little bit faster but not much.

There is another obvious difference. The Roc is made by Innova and the Wasp is made by Discraft. That is a huge difference.

maybe he meant MRX, instead of MRV???

I havent thrown either, so have no clue personally.....

IMO The Wasp is better because it is made by DISCRAFT. Pretty much the Exact same mold except the Wasp is a smaller Diameter. But if i had to choose one disc from each that were the closest to eachother i would have to go with these two. When i switched my bag from innova to discraft i basically took my rocs out and drop the same weight Wasps in along with a few BUZZs for my beat rocs. In my mind they are the same disc. Of coarse i went from throwing DX Rocs to Z wasps and Buzz's and i still think they are the same discs. So take it for what its worth but they are the same disc. The wasp may be a little more overstable

maybe he meant MRX, instead of MRV???

I havent thrown either, so have no clue personally.....



The MRX doesn't have a bead either.

Speaking of discs I've never thrown - here's a great winter time discussion. I'm going to learn one of the following discs - which one should it be?:

Comet
XD
Rhyno
Cobra
Gator
Any Millienium disc
Reaper
Beast
Monster

-Only one.

The profiles of the Roc and the Wasp are different. The MRV is Discrafts exact replica of the Roc. Hold the two up side by side and there will be no denying it. They even fly similar to each other. The Wasp is more overstable than both.



What........... :confused: Do you know what a MRV is? maybe your name refers to a COMPACT Disc...........do you have music knowledge........

Okay, exact replica was a bit to far but so is saying that the wasp and roc are the same (i.e. Discrafts version of the roc). I was referring to holding them up side by side. The profiles are very similar. If one is smaller in diameter then it may be faster but to me they both flew similar fade wise (z-mrv to kc pro roc). And Booty, do you have sentence structure knowledge?

Discraft bought the specs of the Roc mold and made the Wasp. It is identical mathematicaly just diffrent plastic

The roc and wasp have similar profiles but the wasp is a smaller diameter disc, hence the lower maximum weight(178g vs. 180g). In addition to its smaller diameter, the MRV has a very different profile.

Also, if you're going to comment on someone's grammar, I would recommend that you spell correctly.

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Paul, I recommend that you try the Comet. The X plastic Comets are the best.

I'll second Kid here. X Comets are awesome. amazing approach disc.

Done deal. There aren't many Comet throwers in the neighborhood and I love the X plastic MRV's. I'm sure I'd love the X plastic Wasps if they weren't black and only availible as sponsorship discs . .. but that's a whine for a different thread.

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I have quite seen quite a few white X Wasps. Find one. Ask on Trader's Row if you have to. It is worth the search.

Or you could just e-mail me! :Dtaferoww@aol.com I have found that the white ones are a little less stable. They can be harder to find in max-weights. A friend of mine swears by his elite (old) MRV's and he could never throw a Roc no matter how many times he tried. A MRV is an entity unto itself just like a Comet.

Several of your choices are very unique discs...in that the competitors have no replica.
My vote is for the Rhyno. I like both - the DX and soft Pro-line. I use the soft version most...as an approach disc thrown with hyzer. The Rhyno will then fold at impact and stop.
The harder DX is a great short-range driver/approach disc as well. A good description of the Rhyno is 'glide-less'...
Paul, the Gateway Demon is worth a look as well...extremely overstable for headwinds and predictable fade.
Guess I gave my .04 worth...YMMV! :cool:

I actually use the Rhyno as a putter. I must be one of the few. I turbo putt and haven't found anything else that comes off of your hand right.

I putt with my Rhyno too, especially when it's windy out. Even on calm days, I like the way the Rhyno punches into the chains. For turbo putts though, which I use when there's something in the way, I prefer a DX Roc.

dont have much to say about ROCs, and couldnt say enough about the COMET! havent thrown the wasp, so i cant say anythong about that!

dont have much to say about ROCs, and couldnt say enough about the COMET! havent thrown the wasp, so i cant say anythong about that!



Maybe you could say SOMETHING about Comets. :D

Never tried the COMET either, nor a STRATUS, but hear the Stratus is a good roller....

the stratus is a nice roler Cong. I use a photon stratus and it makes a nice turnover roller even new.

You should really give the comet a try sometime. Awesome little disc. straight as can be, doesn't need much power, floats like a beach frisbee and sits right next to the basket.

The Comet also makes a good roller - I was really surprised one day when I just tried it for the hell of it and wow - that thing went right where I wanted. I tried it a few more times and now use it more frequently than I would have imagined. Just goes to show you - try something different now and then!

OK, i'll say alittle about the comet...it floats, no need for a big arm it will get to where you throw it, just finese it a little...straight, smooth, dependable, good in the wind, on a good day i can max it out at 300, but its better for the 150-200 approach. it stays put at the basket, and i like it for a forehand roller, doesnt have too many surprises....i could go on & on & on& on :Dby the way I like this disc ;)

Has anybody thrown a z-comet?

Yep. The Z Comet is a great disc. Smooth, ultra glide. Slightly more stable than the X Comet. Mine are collector discs so I've not thrown them much.