wus-up
pimp,westa and dischick
just wanted to let you know it's
about 85 degree out here in cally :cool:

nice! its acually becoming spring here, in the low to mid 60s, which for us is t-shirt and driving with or windows down kinda weather...if some of us arent careful we might get sunburned

sunblock and tons of tanning will protect ya from that

holy 5h!+ mills finished 2 tournys

in a row!

I was up to 99 so here my 100th post /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :mad::cool::) :( :o :D :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :confused: :D;) :p

i would say something about tan lines but i wont :eek:
another day in the high 80's

tag #12 checking in....
shot this morning at hudson mills with sue stephens and daymon(dont know his last name). played 18 blue, daymon shot i beleive even or 1 down, taking sues 7, i shot 7+ taking daymons 12, and sue shot 8 getting stuck with my 22. woo-hooo! movin up in the world. no one could play a second round, which was too bad cuz i shot a 3+ for 24, and no one in that group had a tag.

REMINDER!
league at cass benton starts next TUESDAY....yes tueday, new day. april 6th....tell all your friends. we'll start i am thinkin about 5, but we might be alright to go off by 6.
bruce, come on out and sell some more of those tags!

I can't make Tuesdays until after the end of ballet season. I'm not going to explain that. I'm going to leave you with the painful image of me in tights and slippers. :D

Maybe I can show up late and sell some tags.

Thats me birthday, yay

Jen I think i was even, and its daemon. That was a sweet <font color="black"> </font> round
Tag 7

sorry DAEMON, whatever it was, you had an awsome round, got on fire mid way through. kick some *** in BG this weekend!

tag 6 checkin in

Daemon bring it I challenge you. Will you be at Hudson on Saturday I am planning on playing out there.

scroll up brown, daemons goin to BG. come out to freeland sunday, ill challenge you, and i am sure westa would love to as well. what # u got?
still got #12 here, too bad i showed up late @ kensington, lacey wouldnt take my challenge. good thing, cuz i would have #2 now with my HOT round i had today. hopefully ill be in the gold by sunday.

Daemon im still waiting to play you what tag you got now?

Tommy Mikowski now has #4, I have #5 after Sunday :o

#1 :cool::p :p :p

lost 12 to my man westa, stuck with 18 again, i think thats what i started out with.
cass benton league tonight! we'll start exactly at 6, meet at 6 mile and northville road, between holes 3 and 4.

cash payout, added cash from FLYING SAUCER tonight, and a big ace pool to start things out with.

You got in ILLEGALY. I shoud have taken the number 1 Tag down to Bowling Green where i lost my Number 8 tag anyway. I picked up the Number 96 that i dumped on someone at No Foolin. I will again be dumping a shule Monkey tag on someone very soon. Ill see everyone tonight at Cass For the first league of the season :D

At sign up Bruce knew my rating and PDGA status he still allowed me in with the stipulation I would not collect prizes at the end of the season. I said no problem Jim had #1 based on beating Bruce the first round. Jim and I challenged one another so it was ON!! I beat jim and bruce the second round and recieved #1. I am open for challenges any tournament where we play the same tees with anyone participating in the challenge. I would also accept any challenge during a casual rounds, league whatever.

:) :) :) :)

Cant wait till tonights League.

You comin out to league at Cass Benton tonight. Its doubles but that makes it more interesting. You should come out. There is going to be added cash by flying saucer tonight so that should make the turnout prett high :D That way when my partner and i go buck wild and shoot like 8 down i can win cash AND a tag. Man do i really need the money too :D

Singles only :p

Brooke is correct. Pros can play for tags. Pros over 950 are not elligible for Tag Overall prizes or cash. Currently four pros have tags that I know of. Brooke is the only one over 950.

Nick, I am definately goin out to CCR, and whatever is goin on this weekend. Too bad you weren't at BG, I shot terribly (but I did split the ace pool). What's goin on from now until CCR?

stoney creek next weekend. nothin this sunday, easter. thats a surprise, i remember tournaments being on easter in the past.

{{{{{!!!!!????951????!!!!!}}}}} :D

Yo Brooke, I'd like another shot at #1 or whatever tag you have at the time -- unfortunately, between work & family stuff, I don't see myself playing again until the week of April 19th. Let's do a weekday (3-4 pm?) round at Kensington - I haven't played there in ages and need a warm-up round or 2 before The Kensington tournament. -- jd

Westa: when are the evening leagues up in Midland and Freeland? Next week is a good week for me to get up there if anyone wants tags.

some mix up with tags at bg so this is what it should be or now stands
#2 Scoots
#4 Pauly (wanna cracker?)
#6 Tommy
#8 Lacy
#wutever scooter has possesivly ME!

defended #14 defended this morning. Against matt churches incredable +13 at cass

if anyone is down for a challenge this afternoon at kensington, i will be there around noonish!

happ b-day jen

scooter defended 2 today :mad:we tied :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::confused: :mad::mad:

I've been throwing for a few years and hardly ever play a tourny, so I'm on this site to broaden my knowledge. What are these "tags" you speak of? I play the Metroparks all the time and the desire to find out what you're talking about is killing me. Alright, I didn't read all the posts in this forum cuz there's like a bujillion of em, so I probably missed the answer to my question. :confused: :confused: :confused:

The tags are a metallic symbol of your pecking order bragging rights. The tags are serially numbered from 1 to 100. When you play another player who has a tag the winner goes away with the lowest tag. At the end of the season, in November, we will have a tag finals, and the low tags will receive whatever profits have been made on the sale of tags throughout the year. Whoever has Tag 1 at that time is #1. About forty tags are in circulation right now, mostly held by amateur pdga-joining tournament-playing disc golfers.

I have #4
Millz has #8
Pauly with the true shoule(?) monky #100

Jamie, Who won advanced?

I left #95 in Illinois and came home with #11!

i'm not sure, Framo lost in playoff

TAG 14 CHECKIN IN

I am playing CCR. This is an open challenge for overall final totals as long as we are playing the same tees all weekend. This will not be round by round but a final total only. I would also be interested in a $5.00 side bet for the weekend winner take all.
I am assuming Bruce will not be there I will see if the TD will allow us to have a list for everyone interested. The $ can be collected after the tournament is over honor system for the side bet.

BRING IT AMS!!!!!!!

Hey Daemon im not 100 percent sure if i am going to CCR but I will be at the one disc challenge and mostly every league night.

TAG 14 CHECKIN IN



who beat you Jamie?

Joe Gabris

Jamie, Do you have tag number 2? Im amazed that you qualified for AM Nationals!

were getting tags at the course in huntington bch,calif.cant wait to take somones tag :D

Jamie, Do you have tag number 2? Im amazed that you qualified for AM Nationals!



Do any of you have JaybirdCCR highlights or news? I had to go to that Maple Syrup Festival. :( Actually, it was reasonable amounts of fun. I'm assuming that the J/CCR was well attended because I did not run into any disc golfers in Vermontville. I half expected to see Ron Put in Vermontville because about 300-400 motorcyclers come to this thing.

Long Range Weekend Weather Forecast for The Kensington MDGO #3:

Saturday
Partly sunny. Highs 59 to 63.

Sunday
Partly sunny. Highs 62 to 66.

Martin won pro

In adv the final scores were
Vagi @ -6
Mosier @ -4
Redman @-3

Slater came in 6th despite the three strokes for cheating

Most important was the $50 bounty on the island hole was hit by none other than Jamie Mosier. He supposedly hit the island on the drive during first round.

In the final 9 dubs some teams involved included
Scott Martin&amp;Chaz from k-zoo?
Todd Branch&amp;Frame-o
Mike Raley&amp;???
Mark Ellis&amp;???

In the end winnings went to:
Raley $150 one on the third hole(#2 pad to #3 cage)
The remaining $300 went to Martin on CTP reg #2

And b4 they left fagget [*****] MILLZ and SLATER stole all the player gaterade leavin none for anyone FU

AM NATIONALS, HELL YA

Most important was the $50 bounty on the island hole was hit by none other than Jamie Mosier. He supposedly hit the island on the drive during first round.




Not sure if YOU hit the island?

Multiple personalities are nothing to be ashamed of. I know some golfers like that. :D

Jamie -

What's the juicy gossip on Scooter? Are you just blowing smoke again?

p.s.....you still need to work on your offensive language. I know your intentions sometimes differ from the words you use, but you need to be aware that you are offending people. You know which word I am referring to.... :o

p.ss....Tommy tried to dump the schule monkey tag 100 on me last night, but couldn't overcome the lefty power :D

p.s.....you still need to work on your offensive language. I know your intentions sometimes differ from the words you use, but you need to be aware that you are offending people. You know which word I am referring to.... :o



Yeah, instead of "fagget [*****]" try "poosay disinterested" :eek:

And b4 they left fagget [*****] MILLZ and SLATER stole all the player <font color="orange"> gaterade </font> leavin none for anyone FU



First off. LEARN TO SPELL AND USE PERIODS

Second off. If your going to talk ***** you better know what the actually story was since your immature dumb ACE was out on the final 9 while we were leaving. The TD specifically said he wasnt taking any of the Gatorade back to his house so that if when you left you wanted any you could take what you wanted. There were plenty of people who took more Gatorade then Scooter and i took. If we took ALL of it as you said then my truck bed woud have been FULL.

Hey atleast at lunch time Scooted and I didnt eat a WHOLE F***ING PIZZA by OURSELVES and then drink 4 Gatorades :o:o:o

TAG 2 Checking in :D:D:D:D
Me Lacy and Scooter played Kensington shorts today.
I started with 98
Lacy started with 23
Scooter started with 2

I shot 11 under to make a 96 Tag JUMP. Is that the highest on record??? Its my 4th jump of 80 tags or more :D:D

Scooter now has the SEMI schule monkey tag and Lacy just got to keep his #23

See you guys out at Kensington Tomorrow :D

steve i hope you hold onto that tag for a while so when my left arm heals i can kick your *** and take #2!

already lost it to lacy on saturday. Then ended up getting tag 25 on sunday. so i traded it to NICK Brown for tag 100. I love making big tag jumps and sticking people with the TRUE schule monkey tag :D

I aced hole C @ Kensington on sunday though. My first tournament ACE :D:D:D

He didn't mention that he was NOT in the ACE POOL!!

As a result, Andy ??? won the ace pool alone with a skip ace on Hole F(which he called about 100 ft before the disc went in).

Mosier now has tag 2, as he won the MDGO 3. Paul Mouhos got tag 5, after shooting 5 down the 2nd round.

I dropped to tag 6, and I think tag 8 was out there, which would have gone to Scooter. Tags 96, 98, and 100 got passed off, but I don't know to whom(except 100). There were about a dozen people in the 'all-day' tag challenge, which was cool. :cool:

He didn't mention that he was NOT in the ACE POOL!!

As a result, Andy ??? won the ace pool alone with a skip ace on Hole F(which he called about 100 ft before the disc went in).

Mosier now has tag 2, as he won the MDGO 3. Paul Mouhos got tag 5, after shooting 5 down the 2nd round.

I dropped to tag 6, and I think tag 8 was out there, which would have gone to Scooter. Tags 96, 98, and 100 got passed off, but I don't know to whom(except 100). There were about a dozen people in the 'all-day' tag challenge, which was cool. :cool:

Other than the tags and aces how did that tournament go? I could not get out there to play because I was doing volunteer work for the junior girls club all weekend with my brother, wife and her friends.

Jon covered this on the tournament thread but I thought I'd mention it here since you all read this thread:

The actual payouts differed from the posted payouts because ties split the prize. The only exception is a tie for first, which we botched, but we made it up to Jamie as soon as he pointed it out.

The Kensington Saturday scores are uploaded. I figured out how to tell the program who played what tees and that you played 24 hole rounds so you also have accurate looking ratings and +/- to pars.

I cannot upload Sunday scores until (a) I finish the Sunday TD report and (B) they make a seperate tournament heading for me to load them under. If they can't make me the separate tournament heading, I'll just upload Sunday scores in a couple of days and rplace the Saturday scores. Then I'll switch them back and forth from time to time! :D It is so cool to have the power to do this for you rather than waiting for some other overworked volunteer to do it! :D

Anyway, Saturday is up and looking good.

For those of you who special ordered Innova because I did not have what you wanted, the Innova order went in and your stuff should be here by Thursday or Friday.

I lsot tag 2 yesterday, Tommy M shot the ROUND OF HIS LIFE hE SHOT -8 at Kensington 24holes i shot 1 or 2 down to Lacys 1 or 2 up. :( I now have six and lacy has 14

I cannot upload Sunday scores until (a) I finish the Sunday TD report and (B) they make a seperate tournament heading for me to load them under. If they can't make me the separate tournament heading, I'll just upload Sunday scores in a couple of days and rplace the Saturday scores. Then I'll switch them back and forth from time to time! :D



I haven't done this yet because my first tournament isn't until June, but couldn't you put all the divisions on the same link?

Hey who's all goin down to michiana? I'm leaving thursday at like 9 or 10 am if anyone is interested in a ride

I cannot upload Sunday scores until (a) I finish the Sunday TD report and (B) they make a seperate tournament heading for me to load them under. If they can't make me the separate tournament heading, I'll just upload Sunday scores in a couple of days and rplace the Saturday scores. Then I'll switch them back and forth from time to time! :D



I haven't done this yet because my first tournament isn't until June, but couldn't you put all the divisions on the same link?



I was told not to. I was told that it can't cope with the same member playing in two different divisions in the same tournament. I had a few both-day players.

I lost the #1 tag to JD at league :( :( oh well it was fun while it lasted

#32 checkin in

I won tag #3 from Brett today at Streamwood. I felt really good the first round shooting +1. Brett shot several over after going OB on 18 to try to catch me. The second round I shot even. Brett was -2 going into the 450 foot hole 18. I carded a three on a 75 foot putt and Brett 3 putted for a 5! Tie pushes, so I kept the tags! Brett now has one of the shule tags.

THough i have not got it yet i won #2 of tommy the other day

I was in an all weekend tag challenge at Michiana, but don't know who all of the participants were, or which tag I'm supposed to have. Did anyone keep track? Scooter, I think you were the only one in the challenge that beat me, but i could be wrong.

Never leave a task that requires responsibility to a group of disc golfers! :D

Never leave a task that requires responsibility to a group of disc golfers! :D



No, you need one sober guy to help that process!! :D

I won tag #3 from Brett today at Streamwood. I felt really good the first round shooting +1. Brett shot several over after going OB on 18 to try to catch me. The second round I shot even. Brett was -2 going into the 450 foot hole 18. I carded a three on a 75 foot putt and Brett 3 putted for a 5! Tie pushes, so I kept the tags! Brett now has one of the shule tags.



We'll never see Jon again this summer!

I was in an all weekend tag challenge at Michiana, but don't know who all of the participants were, or which tag I'm supposed to have. Did anyone keep track? Scooter, I think you were the only one in the challenge that beat me, but i could be wrong.



Well I owned # 1 but now own the last tag due to my DNF (too many thumbers and poor play = a sore arm + a bruised ego). Congrats to anyone who was able to cash.

I have no idea who was in for the challenge other than Scott Slater, Steve Millz, Paul Jeffries, Matt Lacey, and myself.

Since I never actually had possession of Tag # 1, the winner should contact Brooke who still has it - perhaps he will bring it out to Wed league. And whoever had the last place tag, bring that to league if possible.

I got #2, still........... Slater #1 is mine!!!!!!!!!!!

I will bring #1 to league on wed :p

Hey Millz - What number did Scooter have? I think his is now mine. Who does the 14 in my bag belong to?

i got #19 and will challenge anyone tomorrow at the MILLs tomorrow. im playin original for my league round.
bring it on!

#2 :D:D:D...................................

Mills ended up with#1 yesterday.

99 Tag JUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You cant beat my tag jump you can only hope to TIE it :D

I knew trading 25 for 100 would pay off sooner or later :D

99 Tag JUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You cant beat my tag jump you can only hope to TIE it :D

I knew trading 25 for 100 would pay off sooner or later :D



According to the official PDGA rules of tag jumping, it does not count if you did not "win" tag 100 fair and square.

I now have two #13's(tag 26 is in two pieces) sucked it up at Brent Hambric/Hoover.

To Quote pauly
Y don't you shootlike this in tourny's?



2nd round i think i was in the 20's :D:D:D

I challenged Mills and Gabris in the afternoon, beat Millz and got beat by Gabris. I did not know anything about or participate in any all-day challenges. If anyone else challenged Mills or Gabris just for the afternoon round, let me know and I'll square up. Otherwise, I'm square with Mills and Gabris. I will 90% definately be at Cass Benton league with tags on Tuesday.

way to take #1 WESTA....ill be comin up to midland to kick your *** at home and bring it back down here!

Wow, I thought it was sad when Mills took #1

I now have #6 (once Tommy gets it to me)
Tommy has #14 (from Matt)
Matt :mad:is now the proud owner of #98

For #26 do i trnsfer both pieces or just the half that has #26 on it?

This has nothing to do with tags but the tag players probably would want to know:

I have a USDGC invitation to give away. I've decided to give it to the player who shoots the best round from longs at the Flip City MDGO, regardless of the division he plays in, and regardless of which day[s] he plays, and regardless of what state he is from. If there is a tie, the play-off will be Sunday at the end of the Sunday rounds.

So, for example, if Schwass wants to take four shots at shooting the hot round, he could play Pro 2 on Saturday and Pro Master or Open on Sunday. Only Pro 2 will play two rounds from longs on Saturday. All other Saturday divisions will play 1 or 0 rounds from longs.

But wait, there's more: if you are not eligible to play Saturday [because you are a pro rated over 960] and you'd like to take two extra shots at the hot round, I'll let you play two rounds on Saturday for the trophy-only entry fee. You won't get PDGA or MDGO points. Your entry fee will be a donation to the process; a portion of it will be donated to Bill, some of it will find its way back to the pro purse.

That's not all: I'll also run staggered start qualifying rounds on Friday, starting at noon and Saturday evening after the Saturday tournament players are off the course for $10 per round. Again, the entry fee will be a donation to the process; a portion of it will be donated to Bill.

sweeeeet...i am definately comin.....my goal in life is to qualify for USDGC...think a -10 will do the job?
see ya there!

I now have #6 (once Tommy gets it to me)
Tommy has #14 (from Matt)
Matt :mad:is now the proud owner of #98



Todd was nice enough not to mention how I lost #14. With a one stroke lead over Tommy, on the last hole, I teed off and the disc literally 'spewed' out of my hand, about 15 feet to the right of me, maybe 6 feet in front of the teepad. :confused: Tommy was laughing so hard, he almost couldn't throw his drive, but still managed to land it in the fairway. I have now joined Peter Dehn in the ranks of incredibly baffling shots(Pete occasionally throws a drive BEHIND him. I've seen it land thirty feet directly behind the teepad....there's no safe place to stand!). I'm glad Pete is computer illiterate, so he'll never know I posted this. :DRight guys??? ;)

sweeeeet...i am definately comin.....my goal in life is to qualify for USDGC...think a -10 will do the job?
see ya there!



There are enough 250-325 holes you could do a -10 Jen. And you can play Pro 2 on Saturday too if you want!

Last year the hot round from longs was shot by Dan Houseman with a -9. He finished second.

Last year the hot round from longs was shot by Dan Houseman with a -9. He finished second.



Actually Bruce, that would DON Houseman!!

No offense to the Don Houseman fan club, I hope. Spread the word down there in Indiana:

Pillage the village on Saturday and then head north 154.7 miles to see if you can pilfer a USDGC invite on Sunday!

This is for amateurs too. Anyone who plays long tees is eligible.

Don Houseman fan club - I suppose there could be a few us!!

I have already started spreading the word.

oh i know i can do it...last year i missed too many putts to finish under.......
i will do it this year....watch out GUYS!!!!!!

If whogets it is already qualified/no intention of going does it bump down

I have a USDGC invitation to give away. I've decided to give it to the player who shoots the best round from longs at the Flip City MDGO, regardless of the division he plays in, and regardless of which day[s] he plays, and regardless of what state he is from.



Bruce, allowing out of state players to compete for the Michigan USDGC spot is not right ie wrong and unacceptable. I think you should immediately rescind this offer.

I commend you for all the work you have put into the state series but also disagree with the means of awarding the invitation. I would much rather see it awarded on the basis of overall play rather than performance in 1 tournament that some people may not even be able to attend.

If whogets it is already qualified/no intention of going does it bump down



Yes. Since this is not an official qualifier, but a skill contest to award the state coordinator's invitation, no one has won it until I tell the people at USDGC that someone has won it. I'm not going to tell them who has won it until I'm certain that the winner will use it. If the winner cannot get $230 together for the USDGC entry fee, or says he does not want it, or is otherwise pre-qualified, it will bump down.

If the qualifying process generates significant non-tournament income, i.e., a lot of people pay to play non-tournament qualifying rounds, the winner of the invite will get all or some of his entry fee reimbursed if he finishes the tournament in South Carolina.

Bruce --

I got wind of this idea of yours from the a3disc mailing list, and I posted the following there:

I think the proposed determination of the Michigan State Representative to the USDGC is complete hooey.

Frankly, the thing that really got me *extraordinarily* riled was the idea that "even players from outside of Michigan are eligible".

I'm sorry, but that is complete bull [*****].

There is no way that someone from outside of Michigan should be eligible for the Michigan State Invitation to the United States Disc Golf Championship. I am absolutely stunned that anyone would even suggest this.

Do you realize what is on the line here? The USDGC is the king of all tournaments. Most every pro player in the nation has a USDGC qualification as a goal, and now that it's tougher than ever to qualify, it's more sought after than ever.

Every State can elect its own representative. We don't need to be opening up the Michigan Representative to other states! That is completely looney!

And the idea that some remote tournament in Western Michigan should be the deciding factor is stunning in itself.

I recommend that the AM1 State Champion be awarded the Michigan State USDGC invitation, and that this become the tradition. I think it would be a wonderful reward for winning the most competitive disc golf division in Michigan, and a fantastic introduction to the world of Professional Disc Golf.

Peter

{me}
I have a USDGC invitation to give away. I've decided to give it to the player who shoots the best round from longs at the Flip City MDGO, regardless of the division he plays in, and regardless of which day[s] he plays, and regardless of what state he is from.



{JD}Bruce, allowing out of state players to compete for the Michigan USDGC spot is not right ie wrong and unacceptable. I think you should immediately rescind this offer.

* * * I would much rather see it awarded on the basis of overall play rather than performance in 1 tournament that some people may not even be able to attend.



I remember this "Some people can't attend" issue being raised on some other thread in some other context and someone pointed out that people make choices about what they are going to do with their weekend. Except for the few tournament players who are in jail or serving in the armed forces, anyone CAN attend. Many players may choose to do something else because that is better for them. Obviously some will choose to do something else and then complain about their choice.

I would like to give this invitation to someone who really wants it bad, so bad he drives two hundred miles for it, sleeps in a rest area and eats roadkill so he can spend every spare penny on the $230 entry fee required at the USDGC. I'd be happy to give it to somone who wanted it so bad he rearranged his life to play this event, like maybe he told his sister, "Um, I'll definately come to your next wedding." If that guy has to cross a state line or two to get here, I respect that.

Alternatively, I'd like to give this to someone who was already planning on playing the MDGO series and playing this event. Those are mostly Michigan players, but the Indiana, Ontario and Ohio guys who patronize our tournament series are not going to be excluded.

So short notice works both ways for my goals.

Because of the time constraints imposed by the USDGC, I cannot give this out at the Finals in Ludington. I really cannot give this out any later than June to be fair to whoever wins it.

I'm happy to explain my decision, but I'm not waffling on it.

I love this idea Bruce!! Very creative. I agree, if somone wants it bad then they need to make arrangements to attend the event then bring their A game & shoot their best round from the longs. If it happens to be someone from out of state, so be it.

Bruce --There is no way that someone from outside of Michigan should be eligible for the Michigan State Invitation to the United States Disc Golf Championship. I am absolutely stunned that anyone would even suggest this.

Peter



Cool. Peter qualified at Waco so at least he is not arguing his own self-interest.

Perhaps I lack the Michigan tribalistic perspective. I tend to get sucked into that universal brotherhood of man nonsense. If you play our tournament series you are more my neighbor than the guy who has that whole, "Ooooh, MDGO" sneer thing going, even if you live in Michiana or Illiana or C-bus.

There were 110 players who came to Flip City last year counting twice the players who played both days. Maybe 20 of them had the ability to shoot a -9 kind of round. One was from Indiana and he was the only one who did.

I love this idea Bruce!! Very creative. I agree, if somone wants it bad then they need to make arrangements to attend the event then bring their A game & shoot their best round from the longs. If it happens to be someone from out of state, so be it.



And Brett is the guy going to his sister's wedding so he is not arguing his own self-interest either. :D

I love it when Bruce stirs up the thinking juices!!! :D

I commend Bruce for letting everyone in MI have a shot at getting his invitation. That has never been done in IL, or if it has it has not been advertised, which really means that it hasn't, right?

Bruce - Sounds like you're taking some heat for this one. Do other states have a more uniform process for giving their spots away?

I can picture it now....some AM 2 goes to Flip City, goes nutso crazo and wins the USDGC spot.....Then shoots 258 over par playing with the pros. If that happens, you'll really get eaten alive on this board! :D

p.s...If you are going to Kzoo on Saturday, we'll be there(hint....please bring our ching!) We won't be there Sunday. This is too far to drive two days in a row. Dawn will just have to play Ludington, Flip City, and Grand Rapids to get her 5 tourneys in :confused:

Bruce - Sounds like you're taking some heat for this one. Do other states have a more uniform process for giving their spots away?

I can picture it now....some AM 2 goes to Flip City, goes nutso crazo and wins the USDGC spot.....Then shoots 258 over par playing with the pros. If that happens, you'll really get eaten alive on this board! :D

p.s...If you are going to Kzoo on Saturday, we'll be there(hint....please bring our ching!) We won't be there Sunday. This is too far to drive two days in a row. Dawn will just have to play Ludington, Flip City, and Grand Rapids to get her 5 tourneys in :confused:



If some Am 2 shoots -10 or -11 he deserves it.

It now looks like I'll be at K'zoo on Saturday. The weekend forecast for Mackinac Island is for cold and rain. Woo-hoo! I'll bring your basket. You bring the brass.

I'm only getting heat from one direction, so if I just keep turning around every five minutes I'll finally get the winter chill out of my bones.

Harold Duvall once mentioned that every year they talk about standardizing what the state reps can do with their invite, and then always conclude that it is more entertaining to see what they actually do with the invite! I hope they are being entertained.

Letting the players play for it in some way is a popular option. Letting them play for it in a way that raises cash for a disc golf purpose is not unheard of.

Letting players from across the border play for it is not unprecedented. Non-US women are allowed to compete for the USDGC slot that is given away at the USWDGC and usually one or two Canadian women compete. Non-US amateurs are allowed to compete for the slot given away at the USADGC and plenty of Canadians do. There is no reciprocity from the Canadians -- we can't win their slot at the CanDGC -- but maybe Canadians need to play in a protected division that way.

After reading the information at USDGC.com, I realized for the first time that southeastern Michigan gets eight USDGC invitations, six of which are granted competitively, and two of which can be bestowed honorarily. There is no shortage of opportunities for south-east Michigan disc golfers to obtain an invitation.

Can you guys please leave Bruce alone long enough for him to send The Kensington results to Todd for the MDGO "Series" points? :D

Can you guys please leave Bruce alone long enough for him to send The Kensington results to Todd for the MDGO "Series" points? :D



I have not felt like there is any time pressure to send results since nothing has been posted from the first two events. What's up with that?

I just sent the TD reports to Todd right now along with a list of the players who got in for season points.

As you can see by this being my 4th post ever, I don't spend a lot of time posting on the PDGA discussion board. But this situation, even though it doesn't affect me directly, has shocked me into action.

After reading Bruce's responses, including:

> I'm happy to explain my decision, but I'm not waffling on it.

one would suppose that all this chatter is useless.

However, I would like to remind everyone that Bruce's position is an elected one, and he will be affected by our feedback sooner or later.

I heard today for the first time that Bruce is the TD for the Flip City event. Oh my goodness. I'm sorry, but whether Bruce intends it or not, it is totally inappropriate for him to take advantage of his role as State Coordinator to bolster attendance at his tournament. Shame on you, Bruce. Even if the profit you make is going to a cause that most people would agree is a good one, it is still a conflict of interest.

> Perhaps I lack the Michigan tribalistic perspective. I tend to get sucked
> into that universal brotherhood of man nonsense.
> If you play our tournament series you are more my neighbor than
> the guy who has that whole, "Ooooh, MDGO" sneer thing going,
> even if you live in Michiana or Illiana or C-bus.

Bruce, I don't care who you feel your neighbors are. You have a responsibility to Michigan players. Indiana, Illinois, and every other state in the nation is alloted an invitation to the United States Disc Golf Championship. And I'm certain they're not giving theirs away to a Michigan player.

This decision of yours has been a pretty hot topic on the disc golf courses the past couple of days. I've talked to easily over a dozen people, all of whom express the same outrage. I have yet to hear anyone voice support for your decision. Oh, except I guess those three out-of-state players on the discussion board are pretty geeked.

If you are not willing to reconsider your decision based on feedback from the Michigan players you represent, or "waffle" as you put it, then I would encourage you to at least reserve the Michigan State Invitation to the United States Disc Golf Championship for a Michigan player.

I still feel strongly that one solid round at Flip City is not the best way to determine the bestowment of the invitation, and it is a blatant conflict of interest for you to have chosen this event. But if that's the best you can come up with, then at least reserve the invitation for a Michigan player.

Finally, regarding Harold Duvall and the entertainment he gets from state invitation scandals? I'm not buying it. Harold, Jonathan, and their team have spent an enormous amount of time and energy creating perhaps the most prestigious disc golf tournament ever to exist. It is certainly the classiest. I seriously doubt that he would find any of this entertaining, as it does nothing but detract from the image they've worked hard to create. I will be contacting him to recommend that they consider developing rules or guidelines as to how invitations are awarded so that situations like this cannot occur in the future.

Peter

I heard today for the first time that Bruce is the TD for the Flip City event. Oh my goodness. I'm sorry, but whether Bruce intends it or not, it is totally inappropriate for him to take advantage of his role as State Coordinator to bolster attendance at his tournament.




BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peter,

Please call me.

What a bunch of whiners. Criminee.

Check this out (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=PDGA%20Tournament%20Info&Number=80945&Searchpage=0&Main=80385&Search=true&#Post80945).

By Harold Duvall, the South Carolina state coordinator:
"For those interested, The South Carolina State Representative will be determined this weekend at the South Carolina Flying Disc Championships in Chapin, SC. The spot will go to the highest golf finisher who has not previously qualifed. South Carolina residency is not a requirement. (If we can't defend our home turf, we don't deserve the spot.)"

Of course, I think giving away a state spot to an out-of-stater is ludicrous, but come on guys, quit crying. When the creator of the event does it for the state he controls, and he also decides to let other state coordinators make their own decision, there's not much you can do about it. Except vote out the state coordinator the next chance you get, if it's really that big of deal to you.

By the way, you might also want to look at these two posts.

Here (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=PDGA%20Tournament%20Info&Number=80770&Searchpage=0&Main=80385&Search=true&#Post80770) and here (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=PDGA%20Tournament%20Info&Number=80393&Searchpage=0&Main=80385&Search=true&#Post80393).

First one:
"The flexibility of the current system provides a tool for the State Coordinator to use in promoting certain goals or events. As an example, I chose to determine the State Representative for South Carolina at the South Carolina Flying Disc Championships. This increased the participation at a previously unfilled event. Similarly, Alan has chosen to award the spot via the North Carolina Series as a way to increase participation in series events across the Tar Heel state."

Second one:
"The state reps will also be back. As in the past, it is up to the individual state to choose the selection method. This is based on our strong belief that the states know the best way to determine their representatives."

I've never seen anything about it being more "entertaining", only that the state coordinators know best. I seem to remember that this year it was requested (by Harold and Jonathan) that the selection be competition-based, but I don't recall where I read that.

Like I told the Ann Arbor club members when they wrote to Brian Hoeniger demanding my removal as state coordinator, I need to give the state coordinator's invitation away in May or June for the player to have a fair chance to get time off from work and scrape together the $230 entry fee before the invitation expires. If I wait until July the player gets a very short time to get his stuff together. The invitation expires August 1.

I looked for well run, sanctioned events in May and June outside of southeast Michigan that had the capacity for additional players. I asked the members of the Ann Arbor recall committee to go through the list and point to the better qualified event. I'm still waiting for their response.

Is there a better qualified event on the list that I missed Peter?
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Every night before a tournament I'm running I lie awake in bed worrying about whether anyone will show up. Every year I run a tournament that falls on a hurricane weekend, or the concept just does not resonate with the player base.

Before Flip City I will sleep like a baby. If no one shows up, I'M GOING TO THE USDGC!!! :D

What a bunch of whiners. Criminee.

Check this out (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=PDGA%20Tournament%20Info&Number=80945&Searchpage=0&Main=80385&Search=true?Post80945).

By Harold Duvall, the South Carolina state coordinator:
"For those interested, The South Carolina State Representative will be determined this weekend at the South Carolina Flying Disc Championships in Chapin, SC. The spot will go to the highest golf finisher who has not previously qualifed. South Carolina residency is not a requirement. (If we can't defend our home turf, we don't deserve the spot.)"

Of course, I think giving away a state spot to an out-of-stater is ludicrous, but come on guys, quit crying. When the creator of the event does it for the state he controls, and he also decides to let other state coordinators make their own decision, there's not much you can do about it. Except vote out the state coordinator the next chance you get, if it's really that big of deal to you.



Man, here I am trying to do something for absolutely no other reason than to stir up controversy and it turns out I'm mainstream and the offended parties are whiners! :D

Thank you, haupoj.

Haupoj --

Whoever you are, that's some very good research. I did not realize that Harold felt that way, and that his state will be making the invitation available to out-of-state players. I find that very interesting. I still intend to have a discussion with him about this. I see you do agree that giving the Michigan invitiation to an out-of-state player in ludicrous.

I'm done spending my time "whining" and "crying" about this issue. Regardless of what Harold and other states do with their invitations, I think Bruce has made a mistake here in Michigan.

[quote
Man, here I am trying to do something for absolutely no other reason than to stir up controversy and it turns out I'm mainstream and the offended parties are whiners! :D

Thank you, haupoj.

[/QUOTE]

So what exactly does that mean, Bruce? You're using the USDGC invitation to stir up controversy?

My main bone of contention remains that out-of-staters can get the MI invite. Plain and simple, the MICHIGAN invitation should go to a MICHIGAN player. I'd feel the same way if I lived in South Carolina and would have no problem telling Harold Duvall that he is making a bad call.

Sometimes an unwillingness to "waffle" becomes sheer obstinance -- while you are not explicitly obligated to follow the wishes of the players around the state, you do have an implicit contract to represent said players.

Since this is clearly a "hot button" issue with the players, I suggest you poll them and if the results are considerably against, rescind the offer to out-of-staters. There is nothing wrong with admittting you made a mistake - in fact, people will have far more respect for you if you do.

The Michigan State Coordinator has set the guidelines to get the invite. If you play this event, every player will benefit from this creative idea. It's an awesome course and Bruce always runs great tournaments. Add a full field & you have one heck of a day.

If someone from out of state happens to win the invite, then shake their hand because they deserve it.

So what exactly does that mean, Bruce?



Hot round @ Flip City MDGO = USDGC.

Next year the state coordinator from Ann Arbor can do it the Ann Arbor way.

So what exactly does that mean, Bruce?



Hot round @ Flip City MDGO = USDGC.

Next year the state coordinator from Ann Arbor can do it the Ann Arbor way.



This is a good discussion, with valid points on both sides. If Harold Duvall is handling his invite the same way as Bruce, than Harold has set the precedent, and I don't think we should give Bruce too much crap for doing the same.

It is one decision out of the whole year, and only one decision. I hope this one decision doesn't cost Bruce the State Coordinator(did I say 'one decision' enough times?). That is not an appropriate way to determine your vote(maybe combined with the argyle socks and goofy hats, but not this alone :D). Bruce has done some good stuff for Michigan disc golf this year, and that can't be discounted. His new style of running tourneys has been popular with most people I have talked to, and I care more about these 9 or 10 tourneys than how this qualifier is given out. His payouts are among the highest I've seen, and most of us like his player's package option of Cash Rebate vs Funny Money. I actually haven't heard one complaint about that.

As it relates to Flip City being his tourney, I believe this tourney was expected to fill anyway, wasn't it Bruce? Maybe I'm wrong about that.

Just my two cents.

Bruce you are very very smart :D

So what exactly does that mean, Bruce?



Hot round @ Flip City MDGO = USDGC.

Next year the state coordinator from Ann Arbor can do it the Ann Arbor way.



This is a good discussion, with valid points on both sides. * * * As it relates to Flip City being his tourney, I believe this tourney was expected to fill anyway, wasn't it Bruce? Maybe I'm wrong about that.

Just my two cents.

I agree that it is a good discussion. If I had the skills to win the invite and was not already invited, I'd probably flip sides and join the whiners, especially if they were paying me my regular hourly rate for professional whining. Of course, if I had the skills to win it at Flip I would not have the time to be state coordinator, so I'd be whining to the state coordinator from Ann Arbor about having to write an essay.

The Flip City and Ludington legs were both ghost towns last year. Schwass had about 70 players with a capacity for 168. I had about 100 with a capacity for 192. If this offer draws 40 extra players on Sunday [I wish!] Flip City still is not full. And all those players can play on Saturday too, either in Pro 2, or in the "Pro Over 960" shadow pool.

If anyone is paying attention other than the six of us, I'm curious to see if this pumps up the Pro 2 division on Saturday. But at least I'm not worried about no one showing up anymore. If no one shows up, Jon, Bill and I will play for it, and maybe Kelsey will beat all of us!

I know im going to come out a take a crack at it :D

Bruce you are very very smart :D



O.k. then, new rule: [I'm waffling.] Brett, Adam and Matt can flip for it! :D

Or maybe I'm just joking. No one explain it to Jim.

The new tag #s I know of are:

#2 - Myself :D
#6 - Ron Howard
#22 - Mike Wagner (I believe)

Sue Stephens wound up with the #26 that someone broke in half. It does not look like I'm going to sell all the tags I bought so I'm going to replace that tag with a higher number, and as soon as I win a lower number tag, swap with Sue. If Sue gives you 26 between now and then, take the 26 tag fragment that she has and I'll replace it.

I went to the event with #11 and sold it to Zach Love, I think. I don't know everyone's name and sometimes I confuse some of you tall skinny white kids with other tall skinny white kids. I'm not certain who he lost it to.

Would it be helpful if I had a volunteer collect tags at registration and dole them out at the end of the day at Flip City? For that matter, I could do that at Ludington. The volunteer would simply take your name and your tag, and then return them according to scores on the day. Then, everyone would know who was in for the all-day challenge, and everyone who got in would get the proper tag at the end of the day.

I've been mulling ideas for a format for the Tag Finals and this is where I'm at:

I like to play sanctioned events for points and ratings. To me it is worth the extra $3 - $6 per player that it costs to sanction an event, even when I'm a player paying that cost.

Our current tag rules require that the Tag Finals include a cash payout to top tag holders which we can do under PDGA rules since it is an optional sidebet.

Our ratings cut off for tag overalls prizes almost corresponds to the cutoff for Silver at an R-tier.

So, how about this:

--RC sanctioned {Not as good as Coca-Cola sanctioned but better than Diet Pepsi.}
--Gold: $4 trophy-only with a $40 optional cash sidebet.
--Silver: $5 trophy-only only. Because the entry fee is so low, I'm not messing with divisions. This way everyone gets more points and everyone gets ratings. This is kind of like what we did at the Sturgeon last year: low, low trophy- only entry fee and just run pro and adv divisions. Maybe I should do recognition trophies for the top amateur woman and junior playing up to Silver?
--<955 Tag holders only: optional $20 cash sidebet with graduated 100% payout based on score.
--Added cash to top tag winners based on tag sales profits.
--Unrated players play Gold. Period. Join and get a rating if you want to play in a protected division. If you are unrated and have a tag, you better join because tag payouts are based on having a rating below the cap. Not having a rating is not the ame as having a rating below the cap.
--Funny money option: Anyone in any division can take 150% in funny money in lieu of their sidebet cash winnings.
--If the tournament fills, tag holders bump non-tag holders, but that is not going to happen.

It is my opinion and Mark Ellis's too that if the sidebet is for tag holders only and is optional, it is a true sidebet under the PDGA rules and does not jeopardize your PDGA amateur status. You can read the rules and get your own legal opinion. I'm not going to keep a permanent record of how much went into the sidebet, who got in, or what they got.

Give me some feedback. I'm listening to opinions and am in a flexible mood. Please note that I'm proposing to change the ceiling to 955 from 950 to correspond to the PDGA R-tier format. This might let Brooke in but he is now 956. I'm ok with that. I won't change the ceiling from 950 to 955 if there are strong objections, but I don't think the fve points is going to matter.

Bruce, I think your tag was sold to Mike Warner (or Wayner according to The Kensington results) at Robert Morris.

I would be happy to take tag challenges at Flip City. I was thinking of just taking names and tag #s because part of the idea of the tags is to carry them while playing.

An interesting evolution of the tag hierarchy might be to require the person with highest challenging tag # be the tag *itch for the day, responsible for recording challengers and tag #s.

Bruce, I think your tag was sold to Mike Warner (or Wayner according to The Kensington results) at Robert Morris.

I would be happy to take tag challenges at Flip City. I was thinking of just taking names and tag #s because part of the idea of the tags is to carry them while playing.

An interesting evolution of the tag hierarchy might be to require the person with highest challenging tag # be the tag *itch for the day, responsible for recording challengers and tag #s.



Wayner, Wagner, I just guess at what they write! No, it must have been a typo. It is clear on the card.

I like the idea of taking the tags of all day challengers. I've heard that there have been problems with losers turning in their card and splitting without settling up. If your tag is turned in, you'll wait to settle up.

Obviously it would be optional for those who want in on the all-day challenge. No one has to accept an all-day challenge. The rule is that you have to accept challenge on your card, and you settle on your card BEFORE settling any other challenges, which would nclude settling on your card before settling all-day challenges.

Mike Wagner of Discraft fame.
The person with the top # has the most to lose, so they should be the ones "running" things.

Mike is going to hate me. All through the morning round I thought he was Kevin Tomasitis! Somebody tell him I'm old and senile. I'd tell him, but I'd probably wind up telling Kyle Joncas.

He alread knows you're senile. :D

Since you are in a "flexible mood", why aren't the tag championships "seeded" somehow. Why are we playing all summer so that the person who wins ONE tournament wins the tag championships? :confused:

Tag 7 checkin in

Nice shooting Jamie. Did you finish third?

For those of you who stayed home, Ludington was sunny and in the 70's all weekend long with light breezes off the lake. All that rain in the forecast went north or south. ;)

Flip City is this weekend. Click the link in my signature below for the tournament webpage.

light breeze? arn't they flippy enough already? yeah third. felt like dfl with a +16!!!!!!!! How the hell did i catch the lead card...?

For those of you who stayed home, Ludington was sunny and in the 70's all weekend long with light breezes off the lake. All that rain in the forecast went north or south.



Light Breezes that were clocked at 60+ MPH. I saw a 15 foot put travel 200+ ft in the wrong direction. :eek:

Where is a good place to stay if you are going to be at Flip City for BOTH saturday and sunday??????????
Any hotels or anything near the course???

camp

Where is a good place to stay if you are going to be at Flip City for BOTH saturday and sunday??????????
Any hotels or anything near the course???



SUPER 8 MOTEL 3080 Colby Rd Whitehall, Mi 231-894-4848

This is right at the highway exit for Whitehall which is only a couple of exits south of the M-20 exit for Flip City. Jon and Becky stayed there last year and were fine with it.

In New Era, which is a close by town, there is the Okapi Inn
4664 3rd St
New Era, MI
(616) 861-4077 but I don't know a thing about it.


There is a lot of nice camping in the area. If you go west on M-20 until it ends and then follow the signs, Claybanks Township Park has flush toilets and showers in its campground and it has a sandy beach on Lake Michigan.

Also on Lake Michigan are Silver Lake State Park and Meinert Park (Muskegan County Park). Silver Lake has great facilities and I'm fogetting what Meinert looks like right now but I think Diana and I camped there 15 years ago.

There is a commercial campground south about two miles from Flip City.

In New Era, which is a close by town, there is the Okapi Inn ... but I don't know a thing about it.



I thought the Okapi were an intelligent humanoid species that were mostly assimilated by the Borg, but its not like I go to conventions wearing pointy ears.

For more Flip City info, click the link in my signature or head down to the bottom of the Discussion page to the Waterford Junior Girls' topic area

tag 2 checkin in

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checkin in

sucessfully defended it twice today

defnded it again

#8 checkin in :mad::( :confused:

Believe me, I don't fret day and night about the 2004 Michigan USDGC invitation scandal. I'm very happy than Michigander Don Houseman earned the invitation, and I look forward to playing with him in Rock Hill this Fall.

I just happened to run across a thread about the Georgia state invitation, and I thought it was worth sharing here.

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=202189&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#Post203151

Wow, isn't that a refreshingly good idea? A completely separate tournament, non-conflict-of-interest situation, where all proceeds went to pay the winner's $225 entry fee plus whatever was leftover for travel expenses. There was only $45 left over, but still, getting $270 on top of the USDGC invite is a great deal. Oh, and only Georgia competitors were eligible of course.

Peter

In MD, we have a series of tournies that will decide who gets the state invite. The winner will get his entry fee paid for and travelling money! If the winner is already qualified, he will get his entry fee paid and travelling money and the invite will go to the next player in line. Only MD residents qualify.

Has this thread died?

Nope, just forget with all the work for the USADGC going on....

Matt Lacey - 98
Myself - 7 :cool:

I have tag 8

Who cares about this thread. Keep up the good work on the USADGC Todd. Thanks alot for all the hard work your putting into this tournament.

Broken *** tag 26 checkin in for the first time

rip

wheres tag # 1???
i need to win it so i can prove a theory

I have a theory for you :o

Daemon has tag 1. Your theory is correct jen, you will never have number 1.

wow, now theres a bold statement. it must be be bash on jen day, and no one told me. you may have tag 1, but what chick kicked your *** for the team play? oh wait that was me! booya! tag number uno, youre mine BABY!
hold on tight to that tag, cuz itll be mine on wednesday!

Actually Bob Smart has tag one unless he lost it to Daemon this weekend. Tags dont matter at all because once you get to the finals it will all change :D

Tag challenge would be so much better if the SHULE monkey players that won low tags by accident would actually play tournaments and take challenges from people other then ones they know they can beat. Like i said though it will all change when we play the finals :D

[QUOTE]
Actually Bob Smart has tag one[QUOTE]

I guess I don't know where tag 1 is. All I know is that Mills' sister is <font color="red"> SMOKIN </font>

I guess I don't know where tag 1 is. All I know is that Mills' sister is SMOKIN



That ok because if i taught her DG for a bout a week she would prolly whip your ACE whoever you are. You might as well post annonymous if your not going to put your name in your profile.

besides bringin tag 1 tomorrow, dont forget your game. otherwise ill be goin home with it.
you said you would only accept my challenge if we dont shoot in the same group, well thats shenanagans, we're shootin in the same group.

Jim Schultz called me this morning. He wants everyone to know that they have volunteers cutting the course and it is looking really nice for the Finals. They have installed "Next Tee" painted rocks to help with course routing on the Beast and Goliath courses. He also wanted everyone to know that 13 of those nasty homemade rust buckets have been replaced by new Chainstars. Jeff Schwass is taking pre-registration. You can get his address at www.mdgo.org (http://www.mdgo.org)

Illz-I apologize for posting in third person, I know you get confused easily. And your sister can whip me anywhere she wants to.
Jen-That's right I don't wanna play with you. I don't want to put up a second round over par from your hexes

Still posting like a sissy with no name. Third person would be talking about yourself not posting without a name you DUMBACE. Third person would be me saying "Steve likes to throw Tsunamis over 400". Not saying hey im on the message board now and i dont leave my name cuz im SCARED :o Nice try on sounding smart but next time you might want to know what your talking about before you talk ***** :o:D

Thanks for stopping by but you should go practice instead of post on this board.

oh yes, we all know i have the powers to put a hex on whoever, and talk shots down or into trees. thats why JK and des beat me everytime. right. youre shootin in my group, so i can make sure my "powers" are in check. otherwise youre a sissy GIRL.

Daemon has tag 1.


Was I not writing about myself Illz? It seems your insults have come right back to you.

Well if you didnt post without a name then i might have known that it was your sissy no game having ACE!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like you still suck and all you do is hide at your house with tag one and dont bring it out to tournaments

Jim Schultz called me this morning. He wants everyone to know that they have volunteers cutting the course and it is looking really nice for the Finals. They have installed "Next Tee" painted rocks to help with course routing on the Beast and Goliath courses. He also wanted everyone to know that 13 of those nasty homemade rust buckets have been replaced by new Chainstars. Jeff Schwass is taking pre-registration. You can get his address at www.mdgo.org (http://www.mdgo.org)

Just thought maybe this got lost in all the trash talk. :)

Beat me sometime

ANYTIME KID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plus i got an 11 Time Tbird you might want to look at.

Sorry Jen, but I'm not going to the WVO, I thought it was a nationals qualifier. Plus Ludington is way too much fun. Good luck tho

ill be missin out on the sunset over lake MI, but i wont be missin all those righty hyzers on the Beauty
ill miss you guys this year, so make sure you all drink one, no, a few for me!


whose got tag 1?

Tag challenge would be so much better if the SHULE monkey players that won low tags by accident would actually play tournaments and take challenges from people other then ones they know they can beat. Like i said though it will all change when we play the finals :D



I posted the Tag Finals stuff over on the Waterford Junior Girls' threads, but maybe not so many of you scroll down there.

Saturday, November 13, 2004 at Cass Benton

The Tag Finals

I'm going to run this as a trophy-only event with a declared purse on the tags. There is no payout except for the tag purse.

<table border="1"><tr><td>Division</td><td> All Pros</td><td> All Ams
</td></tr><tr><td> Entry fee</td><td> $5</td><td> $5</tr></td></table>
PDGA non-members pay $5 extra.

Entry fees will be used first to pay for PDGA sanctioning and player fees, then for trophies, and if there is any profit it will be applied towards next year's tags which someone from the Tuesday night league is organizing.

In order to take the tag money out of the sanctioned tournament and satisfy the PDGA's issues with ams winning cash, at the end of the PDGA tournament we will have a shoot out for the top six tags. This will work like a 6-way sudden death to decide the top six spots. The declared purse for the tags is
[table]
1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th
30, 25, 20, 15, 10, firm handshake

If I sell any tags between now and then, I might declare an even better purse.
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This is a trophy-only tournament with a small purse for the tag thing at the end. Pros: THERE IS NO PAYOUT

It may very well be that someone in your division might organize some sort of off-the-books payout sidegame. If I hear any rumors of this happening, I'll share them. But don't share any facts with me. I can't handle the truth.

I think Slater has tag 1 if I am not mistaken.

It doesnt matter who has what untill tag FINALS are over.

I have # 5 though

I think Slater is out of the running for tag cash. Isn't the cut-off 955? I need to dig out the rules. Let me see if they are on this computer...

Here it is:


3. Eligibility. Anyone can buy a tag for $10 and participate, while supplies last. Only amateurs who participate in the tag finals and pros rated less than 950 who participate in the tag finals are eligible for year-end prizes.


O.k., so he is in if he turned down that USDGC cash.

Although Scott played very well, he did not cash. Missed it by 4 strokes.

If it wasnt for taking a 13 on a hole he birdied the day before he would have been pretty high up in the cash :eek:

I thought it was 960 but he was like 944 when he bought the tag.

I thought it was 960 but he was like 944 when he bought the tag.

I was quoting the only version of the document I have, the one on this computer.

I'd be there Nick. If the Tag Finals is half as popular as the Sturgeon was, you are a lock for second and you and I will get done pretty quickly. If it is twice as popular, you could still make top 6.

I'm putting in for a cold, rainy day, so it could just be me shooting two quick rounds, sending $2 to Toronto, and then going back to work.

Yeah, I get this way in October. :(

If its just us two im aiming to win the tag finals. But we could beat the pro again at his homecourse such as beating Ben Calhoun at the BRATS course.

If its just us two im aiming to win the tag finals. But we could beat the pro again at his homecourse such as beating Ben Calhoun at the BRATS course.

:) Bring it on. But be careful: when you beat me at disc golf, I might get ****** and beat the crap out of you with my walker! :D

From Millz on another thread:
Z Crush with the Thanks Glowing stamp on it

It was from Bruce Brakel

I lost money on that tournament, sanctioning it and getting some glow plastic that I did not sell and never will sell, but I'm not totally discouraged from running it again in 2004. There is the cool cup. I know 99% of you would rather race for aces in a brown park that weekend. But there may be a dozen of us that would like to contend for the cup. I'm thinking about this and will post more from home when I count the number of glow magnets I have left.

Make that a players package for the tournament.

Frame won #1 in the Tag Shootout by birdying the first hole. Slater got 2 and Jefferies got 7. Because Jamie Mosier posts so much, and loyal readers all over the world feel like they know him, I have to mention that Jamie got the last spot in the Tag Shootout, but double bogied his way out of the Shootout on the first hole.

Scores are up on the Tour page along with unofficial ratings. I'm trying to encourage the office to drag their feet on putting up official results because when they do, the ratings disappear.

The last I heard the Cass Benton club wanted to do tags in 2005 and I told them that I would get out of the way. Since then I have not heard a thing. Anybody know anything? Mills? Jen? Kevin?

I'd be happy to learn from last year and do it better this year if the Cass Benton team is not doing anything.

:o

The tags were a great Idea.

They were fun but i dont think there were enough challenges going on. I also think people got ahold of the number 1 Tag and just SAT on it which is just stupid. I think that if you want a shot at the # 1 tag then you should have to put 5 or 10 bucks on the line or there is really no reason for the person with tag one to play against ANYONE during the season. I would be way more inclined to play someone for tags when i had number one if i could get something out of it. If i didnt get anything out of it and had to WORK to defend it then whats the point ill just leave it at home all summer.

I also think that if you have a tag and you play in a tournament with someone thats playing the same tees you should HAVE to be in a challenge. No matter what card your on. If you play the same tees at a tournament your tag is up for grabs. The challenge is also for both rounds or all 3 or 4 rounds depending what tournament your at. It shouldnt be for just 1 round. I also think if your playing casual with someone that has a tag you should HAVE to play for tags unless one of the poeople has tag 1 in which case everyone who wanted a shot at it would have to throw in 5 bucks. If you lose you pay the 5 bucks to the person who defended the tag and if you win you keep your 5 bucks and you get the tag.

I think we should get the same tags though. They were high quality and looked very nice on the bags.

Thats all i have to say. I k now nothing about the Cass Benton club at this time. If i learn anything ill be sure to let you know.

What are you doing on our thread???

:Dwhite on rice baby!

I havent heard anything either but I hope that somebody can run a bag tag challenge because it adds extra excitement to our tournaments.

The last I heard the Cass Benton club wanted to do tags in 2005 and I told them that I would get out of the way. Since then I have not heard a thing. Anybody know anything? Jen? Kevin?

I'd be happy to learn from last year and do it better this year if the Cass Benton team is not doing anything.

Still trolling for an answer...

The last I heard the Cass Benton club wanted to do tags in 2005 and I told them that I would get out of the way. Since then I have not heard a thing. Anybody know anything? Jen? Kevin?

I'd be happy to learn from last year and do it better this year if the Cass Benton team is not doing anything.

Still trolling for an answer...

Whatever. Just so everyone knows, I'm not doing it this year. I'm going to be busy with Chicago-area disc golf and don't anticipate playing any Michigan tournaments other than, perhaps, the Sturgeon.