So are millenium discs truely different than Innova discs?

How much difference is there in a JLS as compared to say a Tee bird?

Just curious if Innova makes the discs for Millenium out of completely different molds, or if Millenium is just one of those marketing ploys to sell more product.

I am pretty sure the JLS is a different mold. My QJLS is now my meat and potatoes driver. It'll go anywhere I want it. I can't do that with my Teebird.

I throw mostly millenium but couldn't tell you what molds they use at all. I think the Q-JLS would be slightly less stable than a t-bird, but also faster. I have 3 in the bag at all times. Also, does anyone know if the rumor is true that they officially discontinued the Sentinel? I hope not cause it's my main disc and can't play without one.

Not true.

Man i hope you're right, that would throw off my midrange game completely /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

You hope he's right! He is Millennium/msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif Happy Turkey day!

Now that was funny, Mitch.

Don't worry, I did the same thing but slightly worse to Dave Dunipace when I first started hanging around the board...I was asking about a disc, Mr. D gave me an answer, and I told him I did not think he was right...
D'OH!!

LOL! Greenhorns /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

Any news on the availability or scheduling of the new run of Quantum Omegas? I heard sometime in January. Thanks.

Man, I have fallen in love with mine. I was looking for something I could throw on putter length drives (no jokes, its too easy) and my SuperSofts got beat too quickly. This is a great disc that actually fit a need that I already had. How often does that happen? (Again, please refrain from the easy joke) /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

We're still tryng to work out technical problems with the Q Omega. We've made some good progress in the last couple weeks.

We're not ready to announce a release date yet, but everyone should know that we are very eager to make them and will do so as soon as we can.

We've heard nothing but raves about the test run, so we understand that demand is building up. Hang in there -- we appreciate your patience.

Thanks.

I'll bet you are eager. This is the first Millenium disc that has worked its way into my bag. And, I think that it's going to stay there a while. Thanks again.

q sentinal Mr. Houck.....PLEASE!

Mr. Houck what about a Q-LS? Anything in the works or are you folks going to stick with the Q-JLS.

they already have the Q LS.. get the 1.13?? or later for the ones with Q in them..

Hey John, the new Q-JLS's that are out and are clear, are those a technical 'Second Run' Q-JLS, not counting the test run of 2000?

As far as i knew the only ones out were the 'First Run' ones, and were all opaque. I just picked up a couple clear ones, so was just wondering.
Hey there Tafe, long time no chat. I throw mostly millennium, specially the Sentinel. Oh, by the way John, are the rumors true that the sentinel has been completely discontinued?
It's my bread and butter, i hope not...
mitch

Have new 175 Q Omega, will sell or trade. I've got $20 in it. email

Hey John, is centex a good address for you? I have an AP question. Thanks for your help.

Hey Mitch, the clear ones I've seen say "1.2" on the bottom, signifying second run. And, the test run of 2000 weren't technically Q's either.

Sorry John, I shouldn't have jumped out there and answered those for you. I know how you love answering technical questions about your discs. /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

I just ordered 3 Q-JLS's for my bag from the Disc Golf folks in Kansas City. I hope they are opaque. Don't like clear discs, too easy to lose. Can't see em.

Now, with my Q-JLS's I hope I can learn to throw a fast monster anhyzer that goes far and doesn't wimp out and roll like those wimpy understable DX discs do.

--Signed, sick of having a weak anhyzer

Are there production "differences" with Millenium discs, like Innova's discs, since Innova produces the Millenium line?

I just felt the need to thank whoever it is that is responsible for the Q-JLS. John Houck,Dave Dunipace or whoever. I wouldn't want to do without them anymore. They are the straightest flying discs I have ever thrown no matter how [*****] hard I throw them they almost always go STRAIGHT. I try some of all of the brands out there and do carry and use discs like the Wildcat and SE Teebird for the long distance drives where there is plenty of room for error but when I need to throw a long ways really straight then The Q-JLS is the disc. Keep up the Great work!

Thanks very much, Johnny. I can claim that I pushed for the concept, but of course it is Dave who designed the mold and manufactures the discs. They are amazing.

As for Tanner's qustion, we always try to get Millennium and Quantum discs to be the same from run to run as much as possible. There are sometimes differences, and that's one of the reasons we number the runs. For those players who really need to know, the run number let's you know when it was made.

But make no mistake -- ALL manufacturer's have variations from run to run, and sometimes within runs. That's true of anything made from plastic.

Just don't ask him about Omega Drivers. (Thanks again for the life-time stash, John).

The Q-MS and the Q-JLS are great discs. I'm not one for Z's and other candy plastic as a rule, but the Q's work for me!

Sorry we couldn't make it down Texas way over Christmas. An early spring road trip may be in the offing.

aj

I had a yellow 175 LS that was all beat to hll and tacoed several times and run over with a car. It was a great disc - turned over exactly right (better than a stingray) and went exactly where I wanted it to go, every time.

Too bad I left it where I parked it on #18 at Oak Grove. Whoever's got it now, throw in peace.

I got 2 aces on the same day with a Q-MS.

Wow, it's a QJLS/QMS/LS love fest. Glad to hear you're all happy.

Anita, I hope the house is doing well. Come see us any time.

John, so any plans for that Q-Sentinel? I think i'd have to praise the disc making gods if that ever happened. How bout any other Q millennium discs like the Exp or Lf? Granted, the later runs are what, 60% CE anyway? Just curious
Mitch

Got a lifetime supply of heavy Limited and normal Sentinels you need to get rid of? /msgboard/images/clipart/happy.gif

I am looking for AP Experimental Drivers. The ones with John Houck's old email address and 1-800 number on the bottom. produced in the mid 1990's. I understand they were also distributed with club stamps. If anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated. I want to buy up as many as I can.

Thank you Dan

Dan did you get my e mail?

Dan, that's a tough one.

We didn�t make a whole lot of that first test run, but they were popular, so we made it a regular production item. It became the Omega Driver, and I think we made three runs of it. As Murphy�s law would dictate, we just sold the very last ones about a month ago.

I imagine there are a few dealers out there who have some, so you might check around. Or maybe just wait a little while until the new Q-Omega comes out. We did a test run of those last summer, and they were a big hit. We hope to have a production run soon.

Good luck.

Mitch, a Q Sentinel? Great idea. I'll get back to you on that.

so it is a possibility mitch!!

Just cashed and got me a QOmega and another QJLS. Still waiting to throw my Q Ohm, and [*****] if I can tell the difference between it and a CE aviar... at double to triple the money...

Dan -

They do come up on ebay every once in a while. The "firsbeerancher" seem to be setting on a supply.

In my opinion, the Wizard is the next best thing. That being said, I'm glad I got MY lifetime supply of Omega Drivers from John about 2 months ago (insert evil laugh here).

I can claim that I pushed for the concept, but of course it is Dave who designed the mold and manufactures the discs.



Hey John,

When Dave designed the mold for the Omega, did he take an Aviar Putter and tweak it in any way, or are the Omegas simply Aviars in different plastic? The two discs seem very similar. I do like the feel of the supersofts though.

Thanks.

I want some Omega drivers too! I love those things. I would like to get my hands on a couple if anybody wants to help a brother out.

I have a quick question, at what run number did the CE/Q plastic start getting mixed-in? I'd be especially interested in finding out when it went into the JLS, LS, and EXP as those are great drivers and I can't seem to be able to get my hands on a QLS anywhere...Thanks!! :D

I have a pair , (new,never thrown)

Adam,

QLS? Contact Circular Productions. They have plenty.

Thanks to Millenium discs for sponsoring COTO 04

Ray :cool:

Q Sentinals are now available!! Reviews, anyone?

Q-Sentinel (http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=S&Product_Code=1000-QSENT)

i have had some 1.13 LS's that are almost pure CE plastic, they are one of the toughest discs that i've ever had.

My buddy has a few Aurora MS that are candy, but make no reference to "Q" at all. They have the exact same stamp as the standard ones. Whats up with this?
(I asked him, and he replyed "These are Millenium?", so he was no help)

I have one on order and will let you know what i think

My q sentinel came today and going out tommorrow to try it out as well as my elite x wasp. wow the shape of these 2 discs are VERY much almost the same but the wasp has a bit more dome to it. almost exact same bead on rim and shape of rim. hmmmm can't wait for some comparison
http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v78/shadyone/QSENTINEL_AND_WASP.jpg

My q sentinel came today and going out tommorrow to try it out as well as my elite x wasp. wow the shape of these 2 discs are VERY much almost the same but the wasp has a bit more dome to it. almost exact same bead on rim and shape of rim. hmmmm can't wait for some comparison
http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v78/shadyone/QSENTINEL_AND_WASP.jpg



I love that stamp! I was a huge fan of Classic Concentration!!

I picked up a new Q-Sentinal in our prize pack at World Doubles last month, but hadn't thrown it until yesterday.

I'm impressed. It's a very overstable mid-range disc that has good distance and feel.

I usually throw a Buzz or a Spider for my mid-range, and will probably keep using the Buzz as my primary mid-range. But when I need something a little more stable or as an upwind mid-range...I'll have plenty of confidence in the Sentinal.

I picked up a new Q-Sentinal in our prize pack at World Doubles last month, but hadn't thrown it until yesterday.

I'm impressed. It's a very overstable mid-range disc that has good distance and feel.

I usually throw a Buzz or a Spider for my mid-range, and will probably keep using the Buzz as my primary mid-range. But when I need something a little more stable or as an upwind mid-range...I'll have plenty of confidence in the Sentinal.



I threw mine today and felt the excat same way a good solid overstable windfigthing straight flying hero midrange. lol I will keep throwing my buzz most of the time but into the wind q sentinel all the way. I was expecting my x wasp to be more overstable but it was a piece of garbage and less stable than my z buzz. what's with that? But the sentinel flys like a driver almost you can really wing it. I LOVE the feel of the disc very clean feeling and perfect grip. seriosly feels just like my ce eagle of same color. :DMy favorite part of the q sentinel was I could throw it about a foot off the ground and it just flew forever at that height chopping dandelions and scaring the crap outta worms everywhere. That will really come in handy on those narrow low ceiling holes.
If john houck is reading this please keep this disc in production you really have a winner here.
-One Super impressed disc golf fanatic

I was just reading in the questions for Dave section about a TLS that I've never heard of. I guess it's safe to say this will be a new driver in the LS-JLS line, but what does the T stand for? I checked out millennium's website, but it looked pretty out of date...

TLS is the same disc as the Innova Teebird TL!!

Really??!? Millennium is going to have trouble keeping those in stock, especially if they make a Q-TLS! I can't wait to try one, someone tell Mr.Houck to get that thing ran already!! ;)

Q plastic makes everything quality! You could make an epic in Q ��people would buy it.
IF Millenium makes a new driver, look out Millenium wins WORLDS!

I just picked up an Aurora MS that is clear green candy plastic. It has the normal stamp rather than the QMS stamp. Does anyone know if this is a weird disc, or if they are all like this now? Anyway, it is a sweet midrange, slow and perfectly straight. It is like a Buzz that traded its speed for glide.

try q sentinel for your straight overstable midrange wind fighting midrange. nice disc

I really love the QJLS - in my opinion, the most underrated disc out there. They obviously don't fly quite as far as the newer wide-rimmed, long-distance drivers, but if you want a 'golf' driver that goes where you want it to go every time, the QJLS is money! It fits perfectly in between the Roc shot and the long-distance driver shot.
If someone could be so kind as to post when the TLS's will be available, I would appreciate it very much. :D Thanks!

My QJLS has never left my bag in years,super pure lines and as durable as they come...Q-TLS?That would be sweet.Keep up the great work.

How does the QJLS compare to a TL or T Teebird?

I was thinking about trying one but don't know if I want to spend the money.

PT Woods
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How does the QJLS compare to a TL or T Teebird?

I was thinking about trying one but don't know if I want to spend the money.

PT Woods
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From what I've seen/heard, I think it flies like a Valk/Viking with some juice behind it; slightly high speed understable.

I just picked up an Aurora MS that is clear green candy plastic. It has the normal stamp rather than the QMS stamp. Does anyone know if this is a weird disc, or if they are all like this now? Anyway, it is a sweet midrange, slow and perfectly straight. It is like a Buzz that traded its speed for glide.



I have a few of them, got them from a Galyans a while back. Good disc. I gave mine to my buddy, as I have found a better replacement. I thought they were interesting too! Pretty cool though! (Mine were candy green and day glo orange)

I dont think they are anything like those discs at all and have 2-3 Vikings in my bag.In fact,I wouldnt put another Valk in my bag after throwing Vikings...QJLS' in my opinion are like long Leopards...And for that reason are very comparable to TLs and for the most part will do the same thing,even tho I feel like I throw the TL farther ,in a open field they get the same D on almost every line.Thats just my opinion tho and results may vary but I have always thrown TLs and have thrown Q plastic since It came out.

How does the QJLS compare to a TL or T Teebird?

I was thinking about trying one but don't know if I want to spend the money.

PT Woods
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The QJLS is definetely less overstable and straighter than the TL, but it is about the same in terms of speed and glide. The only TL I have thrown was a fairly new CFR TL and it was much more overstable.

I dont think they are anything like those discs at all and have 2-3 Vikings in my bag.In fact,I wouldnt put another Valk in my bag after throwing Vikings...QJLS' in my opinion are like long Leopards...And for that reason are very comparable to TLs and for the most part will do the same thing,even tho I feel like I throw the TL farther ,in a open field they get the same D on almost every line.Thats just my opinion tho and results may vary but I have always thrown TLs and have thrown Q plastic since It came out.



OK...I was just making an observation based off what I've seen. I've honestly never thrown either too many times.

more respect for Millinium....Threw either a old QJLS or a new QMS on 75% of the holes at Peoria this weekend..Your discs are a staple in my bag.Any chance on a wider rimmed distance driver in the future? Thanks Again.

Lovin the QMS.....anyone else throwing these things besides the people I badger enough to get one? If you like throwing straight you should get one.Is there a better endorsement than that?It will shave strokes off your game.Thanks.

Lovin the QMS.....anyone else throwing these things besides the people I badger enough to get one? If you like throwing straight you should get one.Is there a better endorsement than that?It will shave strokes off your game.Thanks.



I love my Champion Aurora MS. I actually have been wondering how a QMS would fly in comparison because I know that the plastic is so different it would surely alter the flight. My Aurora flies very slow and straight and always finishes on the same angle as released. If I release it flat and high, it will not fade, only glide forward forever! It seems like the QMS might be a little faster and more overstable, with a bit more fade. Actually, that is my wishful thinking because it would fit perfectly into my bag. How does the QMS flie compared to my description? Thanks.

It has been my experience that my QMS does have more fade/stability than the regular MS. More in line with the old MFs. Much more durable however. Still more speed and glide than a regular Roc.

I am reading post about the QJLS having run numbers on them. I just picked one up from a guy out on the course yesterday. I traded a disc I had for this one. Its a Candy brite yellow looks like the Champion plastic. Anyway I have looked all over it both on top an underneath and see nothing about a run number. Did they stop putting the run numbes on them ?
I am loving this disk, seems to just glide forever, a little more doamy than I like but I guess that what giving it, it's killer glide.

My friend was lucky enough to get one of the last available QJLSs (old CE) and it is sweet. He loves it! I find it to be very similar to the Leopard, but faster. It reminds me of the old CE Leopard. The QJLS does have mroe fade than the Leopard.

The shop where he got this disc also has one more original QMS (old CE) in orange. I think it is 179-180. Its got a $20 tag on it. If anyone is that desperate, I will buy it and ship it to you for no extra cost. First one to drop me a line gets it.

Qs are long Leopards but I disagree with fade on these and QMS'...IMO these are the ultimate strait drivers and mid-ranges in premium CE plastic...dont forget thats where Innovas CE plastic went...the new ice plastic sucks and the discs ive thrown it in are more overstable and just feel crappy in your hand...opaque rules.

I could be wrong but I think only the JLS has the number runs stamped on them, not the QJLS.

Ok thanks for the info. Well no matter anyway. I lost my QJLS today, im so sad I just loved that disc had it a whole two days. Oh well will have to buy a new one to rpl it.

Qs are long Leopards but I disagree with fade on these and QMS'...IMO these are the ultimate strait drivers and mid-ranges in premium CE plastic...dont forget thats where Innovas CE plastic went...the new ice plastic sucks and the discs ive thrown it in are more overstable and just feel crappy in your hand...opaque rules.



My clear Aurora MS has almost no fade characteristic at all. I can effortlessly put it out 300' without the disc fading. It is great for really long, really tight holes where any driver is likely to fade or skip off the fairway. I'll totally agree that the new QJLS kind of sucks in the Champion plastic compared to CE, but the Aurora rocks. I'm still not sure if mine is late run clear CE, or Champion though...

I have a bunch of the old CE JLS's (test tun 2000) and I love them. They are very underated. They are awesome controll discs that age into great rollers.

I want to thank Millenium again for sponsoring Waterloo's Newbie Night. I gave a 150g JLS to one of the regulars and she was throwing it better than anything else she had. She was amazed that the disc was going straight where she wanted it to.

Thanks again, guys. :cool:

Since someone else dug this out of the archives I'll chime in.

Not too long ago, my curiosity made me buy a JLS 1.6 (lots of CE in that run ... great plastic) and a Q Sentinal MF.

They have quickly become the most reliable discs in my bag. They are predictable, controlable and reliable in any conditions.

It seems like every time I throw an upshot with my sentinal, i find it leaning on the post. I'm serious. I always find my JLS right in the middle of the fairway. I choose any line, it follows it to the ground.

predictable, reliable and controllable. Which is kinda how I play this game.