what do we think now? i like the fact that the valk and xs have more glide because of the dome, but the beast and wildcat are faster. i know it is not the disc that will get the new record--it's the thrower, and the farthest throw could come from a jls or whatever, but what do yous think to be the longest for you? i have had my farthest throws with a 150 dx beast, but mainly drive with a z-cat.

TL!

I still have gotten my longest throws with SE Valks and light (150-160g) CE/JK valks. wind assisted flicks have gone 450-500, same for backhands... something about the under/over-stability of valks seems to balance perfectly for downwind shots.

However, I don't generally keep any of these in my bag (sometimes one), because they are so squirrely for general throwing. My main conrolled distance drivers right now are a Z-Cat, a CE-EL, and a 10X Teebird.

TL power baby....

166 CE Valk

It seems like everyone on here can throw 500 feet, where do all these people go when you play at tournaments?

Because of the nature of this thread, I think people are listing their best drives ever... i think 500 feet is when we get a perfect drive in friendly wind conditions in open space.

most of the time, in normal conditions, I can count on getting about 350 off the teebox with a valk, wildcat, or light firebird. I don't count on any more than that.

I know very few players (pro or otherwise) who throw more than about 400-420 with any consistency. There are some out there, but they are the fractional minority. There 'might' be 100 people in the country who can throw 450 consistently in an open field with any sort of accuracy...

I agree with Tim. Line drive distance is what you usually have to use playing disc golf in order to manage the fairways accurately. A 450 ft tee shot, line drive with no wind aid, is a very powerful shot. On a distance field, the power of a 450 ft line drive shot could be translated to a 600 ft "distance shot", depending on conditions, but that is rarely possible in disc golf.

What do you consider a line drive? At the end of the year last year I was throwing 380-400 ft, fairly accurate, low line drive shots. And when I say low I mean no higher than 7 ft off the ground at any time in it's flight.

What flight patterns do other's try to follow?

Do you try to get a high 20-25ft s-curve flight for distance or are you like me and just muscle it straight and hard 7ft or lower?

I've found if I try to get any height on a disc flight, even with the nose down, I don't get the distance or accuracy. Is this normal? I've yet to see anyone in my area who throws the same way I do.

Now I'm talking about a flat field, not an up or down hill drive.

My best drives came from a 171 4th run CE valk. Have topped out at about 420-430 with it.

What flight path are Innova discs primarily developed for?

Line drive basically means straight down the fairway without too much height or turn. The higher you throw a shot, the more variability you add to the flight. The most reliable throws are low line drive. The easiest way to throw line drive is with a slightly unstable disc that screws up to flat then cruises. The second easiest way is to use a stable disc in a shallow anhyzer that works back as it flies down the fairway. The hardest is a stable disc, straight and flat. Both turnover and hyzer line drives are relatively easy to keep the nose level for max cruise. Flat and straight is the most difficult to keep the nose down, so it has to be thrown the lowest of the three approaches.
Innova discs are designed to fly certain ways, but are not designed for a specific flightpath. That would limit their usefulness.

170g DX T-Bird...
With my SNAP it holds its angle and flexes back at the glide end of flight.
With practice consistant 600' "Distance" shots are
"cake"
That just isnt possible on the course. Accuracy of a true distance drive is not that big a factor. Yes you want the disc to head off into a general direction, BUT you sure dont have to worry about making that long putt afterwards/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif
Scott Stockley is a great example...(hope your doing better. Scott)
He has some of the most incredible power of anyone ever in this sport...
In his prime, if you put him on a true distance field, ALL other competetors cringed...
But on the course his power could SOMETIMES be a negative..Ive seen Scott try some really freaky stuff on the course..primarily IMO to give a great show to those watching. Sometimes it works (I can remember a crushing 600 ' drive on a Finals hole in Michigan a while back) Then again he could miss that same drive by "a little bit" and it could be 200' off into the woods in deep trouble....I saw it ALL in 2 rounds with him at National Doubles in '99/msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif
Big D in Golf is VERY Different than Big D on a field.
Completly different approches to the throw and the result.../msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

Boy I cant wait until World Games in Santa Cruz../msgboard/images/clipart/proud.gif

From the perspective of a weenie arm, it looks as thought the longest disc in my bag is a 121-gm Speed Demon. I have only had one opportunity to use it on a course, and had to be careful not to pull it to the right, but man, did it go! I got off several longish drives with it, and felt as though I was holding back on those throws (a light driver is harder to control, as most folks have experienced). When I get some more practice with this thing, there is no doubt it will be my distance driver of choice where the terrain allows for error (and no real headwind!)

I also tried a 159-gm Speed Demon, but the thing was still way too overstable to get big D, even into a light headwind. To put things in perspective, 250 feet is a good drive for my arm, 300 happens once in a great while. I believe that with a little practice the 121 SD will get me to 350. Without trying all that hard, I had two or three drives pushing 300 the other night, and am sure I could crank it up a notch or two once I am more accustomed to the lighter weight. For stronger arms, the 121 would probably be too understable, but for me it flies amazingly straight.

Has anyone else fooled around with really light drivers? I believe Dr. Fred had some comments along these lines a while back.

What is the longest Disc for a sidearm thrower? I heard the monsters are good but I need more opinions.

This is my first post here.

Good question, Dave. I am a medium/low power sidearm thrower and there are three discs I would suggest:
1. Z-Xtreme
2. Z-Predator
3. X-Predator

The Z-Xtreme is (for me) super overstable for those "must go right" shots. Ditto the Z-Pred, it's just straighter longer before the turn. The X-Predator, I can throw with a wee bit of hyzer and it will snap up straight and fly a country mile.

If you have a good snap that creates good torque, a Firebird is the disc no doubt. Always consistent. Even when you screw up, the disc flies into the crapper the same way! Monsters are good as well, very similar to a Firebird in flight. CE Firebirds- find them and throw them. If you do not have good power, stick with them and they will teach you.

The Monster is a great forehand disc (but I sure miss FireBird FX's). But for max D forehand it must be thrown anhyzer at the right height for a big long S. I can throw it 350-375 pretty consistantly maxing out at 400' on a good day.

What is the most stable disc innove makes now?
Thanks.
Cutters

Hey Karl, you should keep playing with that 159 SD you have. After it gets beat in it will become a great straight long flyer that is much easier to control then the 121. I throw about the same distance as you and throw both weights of SD. I had a 158 that I got in December that after many hammer shots and tree wacks was my longest, slightly understable disc. Unfortunately that disc was lost last week so I have to tune a new one. The 122 is fun to watch it fly but I find it very hard to control. I always release it way to much to the right.
mitch

Z Wildcat. Try it, you WILL be surprised. Never have cared for any Discraft before, but this disc works!

The Z-Wildkitty is a long disc with good control characteristics...not as finicky as Valks and Beasts, IMHO. I still reach for my Tee Birds (KC and SE-TLs) for confident distance and control...but the Wildcat is a pleasant suprise and deserving of more experimentation.

I use Z-wildcat or a new DX Beast for busting out some killer D. I'm throwing a little over 250 now and I have only been throwing for 7 years.

Shawn,
you should try a 157 gram Speed demon if all you can get is 250' with other discs!

The Elite X - XS is the longest disc for me. I am a slow armed high spin thrower, so the added dome gives me more than the extra speed some other discs have. I find I can throw solid D with less effort as well. Too bad finicky wind conditions take this disc out of my hand so often. I then turn to a Z-Talon with much less D, but much more prdictable flight and also the pro Beast when wind is in play. Will give the speed demon some play soon. maybe wait for the next iteration "super flat and fast but not such hyzer pig" gateway offering.

Shawn your a big goof!!! The day your max drive is 250' is the day I can throw 500'

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James Nierodzik
Operations Committee
DISContinuum Disc Golf Club

jnierodzik@discontinnum.org
http://discontinuum.org

From a power sidearm blaster...Ce firebirds, 169-174
Pro Beast, 170-175
Firebirds release flat for long s flight
Beasts release at about a 45 degree angle down, it will flatten, turn left and come back right...wicked distance.
I get about 400 feet with no wind.

Also I would say the Beast is the flattest longest prettiest backhand driver...Pro line, 1st run...you know the pearly ones.

ce valk

Are TL's extinct or is there somewhere to buy them at a reasonable price?

Define reasonable?

the early run opaque TLs are almost impossible to get under $25. the newer transluscent TLs are still being made or at least were through last year and can be found pretty easily around $20, and if you look harder $15-$18. check pdga tourneys, disc clubs, or even ebay.

DX Valk for open fairways and long slow S curves
425ft
Z-Wildcat for tight fairways thrown flat and level
375ft
KC Pro 10X Eagle for sidearm with slight S curve on tight fairways
375ft

TLs are now only available in the Tournament Fund Raiser line. $20-$25, depending on tournament.

If you can find one of those Tourney TLs then grab one. I got one from the Seneca Creek Soiree (thanks, Craiger!) and it is an awesome disc. I just wish now that I could have gotten 2 of them so I'd have a spare.

I got 5 X-outs in Waco for $10 each. I looked at them the next day and they were $15 each. They must have made a mistake that saved me $25. The X outs were 99% perfect.

TLs when snapped on hyser or even the QJLS seem to get me the longest drives. CE Firebirds for wind and 2 fingers ,although, as of late my FL and KC Firebirds have been getting alot of use in any weather.I also like the SE Valks for about the first 5 throws,then with more hyser each throw.all in the 174/175g range.Never doubt a TL.NEVER.

TLs are a great disc...maybe the greatest! And of course they cannot be had for the price of a disc.....now they're a commodity at a collector price. Why?
I think a Z-Wildcat will do everything a TL will...and it can be replaced...reasonably!
The darkside has been visited...and enjoyed!
Bring back the SE TLs, Dave! (at $10-12, you'll sell thousands!)

10x T

TL too flippy, need the lip for the stability

I have always felt that Z and CE plastic transitions a bit abruptly in the middle of the S. That is, it goes from going right to going left more quickly. Not that it is necessarily just more over stable, but that the actual change happens faster. I don�t know if that makes sense how I wrote it�

That said, I just got a KC Tbird. I can�t get the same distance from it as from my regular DX Tbirds. For me, the DX Tbird has a fairly straight flight patern, with a fairly slim S curve. I REALLY like the way it flies for me. My longest throw on the year was with a Tbird. It glides out at the end fantastic.

For an open shot I am getting to like the beast. I haven�t had much time to just sit and gun the thing to see how long it goes next to a Tbird. My beast is the Pro version with the texas plag. It is atheistically better looking than any other disc I have. That [*****] is fast. I think it generally goes about 15 feet more than my Tbird. It comes back real nice, especially good for high shots, or down a hill. It is definitely less stable than the Tbird, but (as intended) more stable than the Valk. It is like the valk in that if you throw it a little off, it goes WAY off. But it isn�t quite as extreme as the valk.

The elite X XS is another long disc for me. I like the Z XS (and got my longest park of the year with it- 407ft for a tap in), but it isn�t *quite* as predictable in a straight line, and not *quite* as long as the elite X. The Z tends to fade a tad much for the max distance to be reached.

So those are my longest discs.

-Garrett

150 dx beast
x-pred, tl, beat light speed demon can all be close

Have to say I've gotten my longest drives with a DX Valk...175g. But I've come close a few times with the same weight DX beast.

Since the majority of courses I play are 350' and in, i dont own any distance drivers. I do own a Gateway blaze that I use for longer drives, and I can push it out to about 400 but the accuracy and consistancy suffer. I also have a speed demon that was once a distance driver but is now too understable to throw so i use it for control thumbers ~225.

The first time I hit 400 was with a 150 ontario Raven. I threw it with 89 degres of hyser and it faded back at the end of its flight. I could also do it with a Dragon and a 150 Valk.

If you just want distance, go light. If your really golfing, don't.

Innova it has around a 172 DX First Run beast. I can rip those about 450 to 500 on a real Crush. Discraft i would have to go with either a 165 Creamy Z talons or Z Crush. Those discs around 40 to 450. Waitin for the Crush in either X or D plastic. I think that will be the farthest :)

My longest recorded throw (yes, I measured it) was with a 172g Z Talon at 430' with no wind.

Other than that, I can breach 420' (w/no wind) with my 169g X-Predator, 170g Speed Demon, and 171g Proline Firebird.

Hyzer release --- the Viking
Flat and Anhyzer release ---- CE Firebird
Schweb

As another weak arm...220' is my best "official" throw so far I believe...the disc I can throw consistently is the Elite-X version of the X.S.

I can tell you exactly where that thing will land each time I throw it...I love it :)

I have been playing around with a Teebird I found a couple months ago...and can occasionally outdistance the XS by 10-15'...but I'm not consistent with it.

A quick dumb newby side question...I'm just learning about the concept of different "runs" of discs...so concerning this Teebird, here's the info I can remember off of it right now...it is red, with a Ken Climo signature stamp on the front...and it has the dates 1990-1998 in the upper left hand part of the stamp...

Any info you guys can give me about exactly what I've got here would be helpful... :)

hey scooter, even the weak arms can find some more distance to there drives, you had mentioned throwing a teebird, well if you can only throw 220 feet then you shouldn't be throwing a teebird. you need to throw more understable disc's, you should try experimenting with you approach, your arm speed, your grip, your position of release and also how much SNAP, POWER, SPEED, and TORQUE behind your drive. I used to be a loyal innova supporter, i threw, eagles, firebirds, banshee's for stability, roc's and aviars, i have since been picked up by discraft, and after experimenting with their plastic i find that their is more truth and reliability to there disc's..... you should concentrate on technique and body positioning and try to stay away from stable and overstable disc's, until you are able to throw a disc like your life depended on it....the more consistant you are at replaying ever shot the better you will become and only when disc's really start to turn over for you should you try something more stable. i hope this kinda helps. anyways don't give up and still try to grip it and rip it. also remember you may always not drive as far, " but you may PUTT better" which will gain strokes. :cool:

My go to distance disc is a CE Valk. I consistently drive around 325. My longest to date drive for a 2 is (pro tee) 416FT #13 @ Flip City in Shelby MI. Thank goodness I was parked & didn't have to putt it. http://www.flipcitygolf.com/hole13.htm

The longest disc in my bag is either the 1st run Z-Talon or the Z-Wildcat. Ball go far.

-Z wildcat was longest for me. Crush is real close nowadays. Going back to the sidearm uestion, I saw Zach Curtis throw a Crush on his first day with them over 500 sidearm. And he threw it 500+ three or more times out of ten throws. Nice.

500+ ft with a sidearm might be a record.

I once parked a 407' hole at Fitzgerald Park w/ a 172 Viking, awesome disc, but I think the Crush is a super reliable bullet straight long driver ( almost as long as all of those adjectives), and I really love my Predator for windy conditions.... CE Teebirds are great, too. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

if you can only throw 220 feet then you shouldn't be throwing a teebird



Yeah, I kind of figured that...when I throw it...it's in the field behind my house just for practice. :) I use the X.S. on the course because I can trust its flight...

When I first got into disc golf about 6 months ago, I just kind of assumed that if I bought long distance discs, I'd automatically gain distance...of course, at the time I was throwing a tomahawk style off the tees...so I'm probably only about 3 months into the game throwing backhand. And I'm learning that I have a heck of a long way to go...

And until I started reading the message boards here, I thought my 200' shots were long. :)

Hey scooter, I have a teebird with those same dates and it is a 9x KC Pro Teebird. The 9x Teebird is alot less understable than the 10x and 11x ones that I own. Assuming that we have the same disc I would have to say that it is one of the longest flying most dependable (predictable and flies straight) discs for me personally although mine is a beat perfectly and my normal golf D is normally 300-325 with very few of my throws (1 or 2 a round) being 350-375.

Cool, thanks for the info...again, as I'm still learing things, just want to make sure my terminology is correct...I'm assuming 9x 10x etc. are run numbers for the discs right?

Actually, that is the # of times Ken Climo has won the world title. He won consecutive years from '90 to '99 for 10x...and in '02 for 11x total. 2004 "should be" 12x!! GO KC!!!

...wasn't '99 Russell, then '00 Climo, '01 Todd, and Climo again in '02?
That's still 11x. Not counting Doubles.

?!? How did I go from zero to 5 stars?!?
...must be a mistake.

90-98 Climo, 99 Russell, 00 Climo, 01 Todd, 02 Climo, 03 Schultz

My bad...

I just made a new best friend in Max Weight X Talons.....These things go a mile for power RHBH. Other thatn that 170 or so Z Talons and Crushes
Innova i would have to say first Run DX beasts

Still getting consistant D with Z XS. I like the Z Talon for low ceiling and consistant fade.

Z Crush is my new Driver of choice. Getting consistantly more D compared to my Beast.

Got a Z-crush for christmas and ripped it over 350 at DELA, straight, fast, and dependable left fade/RHBH. For two finger/forhand shots the CE Firbird has traveled over 320 for me. The LONGEST disc for me was a Proline pearl/salmon 171 Beast...wish I still had that disc :( :( It was dedicated to the water Gods :( :(

Having only played disc golf since September,and being 70 yrs. old with a candy arm,my 150 Valkyrie went consistantly 155-160' BUT now I am throwing a Lightning #1 Hookshot for 170-180' sidearm. It has to be thrown very low to the ground,(4'-5') and it will glide farther and straighter than any disk I have ever thrown.I also throw the Lightning #1 Flyer,150g the same way and it too goes the same distance with a little right turn at the end.................................Remember,it ain't always the big names that work................................

are you in galord MI? i hate that place...whats the Gaylord motto, "come for vacation, leave with probation"? I know i did.

Actually,I live in York, Pa and I hate Gaylord Mi. to,with a motto like that !! And my first name is "Gaylord"( No imagination,I guess).

Having only played disc golf since September,and being 70 yrs. old with a candy arm,my 150 Valkyrie went consistantly 155-160'



I hope I can still lift my arm at 70, let alone throw! Props to you and all the other seniors out there on the course. You give young (but aging) guys like me hope that maybe age is just a number!

It is not the disc that controls how far you can throw ! It is the ability of the thrower, and weather conditions. As long as the disc is designed to fly far, with the proper throw, it will.

By the way this is Ray not Hoon.

My CE valk was my longest disc, til I lost it :mad:

...And now it is my longest disc. :D j/k.

I've had my longest throws w/ a DX Beast. My main driver is a 10 x KC T-bird, but if I need 30 - 50 ft. extra I pull out the Beast.

CRUSH---CRUSH---CRUSH

I throw very similar to this (how discgolferusa describes on the 1st page of this thread). Rarely do I purposely get the disc more than 15ft off the ground. Usually between 10 and 15 ft. I have seen some big arms throw and they often get the disc up 30 ft in the air with control. I just can't seem to do that with any control. It always ends up nose up. I can consistanly throw 325'+ and have approached 400'.
Longest with consistancy: ProLine Teebird (170) though the ProLine Beast (166) and JK Valk (172) are pretty close. I've thrown a Pro Beast further than I've ever thrown anything, but it's not as consistent as the Teebird... I gotta get out and try some new and different stuff this year, though.

Perhaps if you came to the gym, and got more manly you could handle the Beast better!

Watch out for Hawk at the Gym :Dhe keeps trying to lure in new prey :p

My longest driver at the moment is my 155g 11x pearlescent KC Pro TeeBird and I can huck it a pretty consistent 280' with accuracy (weenie arm ;)).

from what Johnny says you handle the beast just fine :eek:
...and I'll go to the gym, but for the last time I'm not hitting the showers with you...

My CE valk was my longest disc, til I lost it :mad:



Same here bro, same here.... :(

I'm not sure I can hit 280' with the Sprite colored 165 Champ Beast.

BEASTS -- Any plastic -- 162-171

REEAAAAL LONG!

CRUSHES

REAAAAL LONGER!!

How about the sauna? Oh I'm sorry this is disc. My faux pas.

My CE valk was my longest disc, til I lost it :mad:



Same here bro, same here.... :(



Sorry to hear about you loss. I recently lost my Original Star Stamped Red Candy Valk. :(
Try the Champion Orc. Has excellent distance. :D

Just got one the other day. I can't wait to throw it as soon as this f*ckin white stuff melts. :mad:

da longest disc i got is my 175 weight orc

What? No props for the Elite X Wildcat. For me it is a tie between my X Wildcat (175 grams) and my Crush (173 Grams). Both are good for around 400'. I am curious about the two new discs the Gateway Spirit and the Orc. Maybe those two will be comparable? I am definately trying those out.

The Orc is an Innova product and looks/feels like a Crush.
The Spirit, as told to me today by a bigarm, is as overstable as a Speed Demon.
I've thrown neither...yet!

The VIKING ADDED about 30'-50'to my Distance. Now up to about 370'-420'. Very Nice Control Also. :D

I have thrown the Z/Candy versions of just about every distance driver on the market. I prefer discs that weigh between 173g and 176g. Within these criteria I have found that the Zwildcat, Zcrush, Champion Beast, and Champion Orc all fly consistently the furthest with my release (flat to slight hyzer). Out of them I prefer the Orc for the straightest, most consistent "golf D" flights across wind conditions.

My 175g dx Beast, My 171g 10xkc Tee-bird and my 173g Z-Predator are my longest discs

went to a big field and threw with different wind aspects for 2 hours the other day. took a bunch of discs and in general came away with the following:
longest--dx beast
ch. orc [avg. only 10 ft. behind]
dx teebird [avg. only 15 ft. behind dx beast]

the glide at the end seemed more crucial for d than the speed with my throwing style. also the teebird gave me much straighter, more consistant throws, followed by the dx beast. orc was not at all bad though. if i had to throw candy--it would definately be the one. [tried crush, z-cat, viking, x-pred, valk, ch. t-bird] for me i get a much more consistant release and much more glide with the dx plastic. i also find the dx beast to be much more stable and consistant than the champ beast. looking forward to trying new se plastic in the TL mold. also the viking and orc would be good in se as well.

oh yea--i forgot to mention that the h-spirit is the fastest disc i have ever thrown, but i still [even with a big s] could not get the consistant distance [450+/-] of the dx beast.

170 X-Cat
171 Z-Cat
172 S Blaze
173 E Spirit
173 Glow Cyclone
174 beat X Talon

175g Champ Beast.

175 Starfire for uphill shots...174 11x TeeBird for turnover shots...and my new Orc for straight/turnover shots.

180g Jaguar! learn to throw that far and you'll have no problem with any other disc!

Riptide
Crush or
Z cat
Omega SS(j/k)

I practiced distance today with 3 Z Crushes, 2 Vikings, 1 Beast, and 5 assorted Tee Birds.

Down-wind, 10-15 mph, the Crushes, Vikings, and Beast were w/in 15' of each other...with a virgin Crush going the furthest. Was surprised my T'Birds didn't compete today...especially downwind with SE TLs...WTF!

With a 10 o'clock wind, my 11x T'Bird fought for furthest D.

Overall, and for the first time, I'm most impressed with the Vikings due to their predictable flight paths. The Crushes do get the blue ribbon for their added 'skip' distance.

For the record, I throw flat to slightly anhyzer for control & distance. I've never felt comfortable with hyzer release...unless needing a hyzer shot, of course.

I know what you mean about feeling more comfortable with a straight shot over a hyzer shot. I can better picture where the disc is going to go on a straight shot, because for me with a hyzer shot not only do you have to be able to throw the correct distance, but you have to put the right angle on it so it doesn't end up to the right or left. If you throw straight, you know exactly where it's going to go. Just my .02.

My longest throw ever was with a 174 Z Cyclone. That tipped the 500' mark. I can consistently throw my beast, crush, orc, viking between 400'-450' with very little s-curve. I drove my friends DX Rhyno about 325' just to **** off the guys we were playing with.

I have the longest DISC :D sorry my longest disc is my 172g dx Banshee can throw it consistantly 320-340

I have only been playing for 9 months so i think this is pretty good.

I have thrown the Z/Candy versions of just about every distance driver on the market. I prefer discs that weigh between 173g and 176g. Within these criteria I have found that the Zwildcat, Zcrush, Champion Beast, and Champion Orc all fly consistently the furthest with my release (flat to slight hyzer).



Now that I am really comfortable with my orc it flies the furthest every time by at least 20' and up to 50'. I believe that if they had the distance championship on a disc golf course with neutral winds that the orc would take the crown. On a dry lake bed in the desert with a 20mph tail/left shoulder wind? I don't think that 164g valk would be the longest disc on any given day on a golf course. It would be cool if the PDGA drafted wind standards for distance records similar to track and field so that certain measurements would carry an asterisk for being "wind aided".

I'm only 14 but I throw Orcs the farthest out of any of my discs. I consistently throw over 300 with them and, on an open field, can hit 350 with them. I average 320 or 330 with them where as my other discs are right around 300.

What weights are you throwing? You should be throwing 500' by the time you're my age :cool:

168g JK Valkyrie is my farthest disc, but Champion orks and vikings are close

Matt

Im 16 and my farthest disc is a super flat top 2nd run valk that i can chrush 450 flat with a good rip. I think it is 170g. I can also throw a 174g 4x champ valk close to that far.

I have a new longest disc!

My longest disc is a 174g Cheetah! I can throw it about 350 feet!

160 g. orc.

My longest disc is still the Orc... I can throw a 167g about 500ft but the 175g disc is so much more accurate and not too much less distance.

My longest throws have been at about 500. I've done this with a Glow Cyclone, X and Z Wildcats, X Talons, E Spirit. The hole I did it on was just over 490' long and it was slightly downhill and with head and cross winds.

My longest discs flat ground are the same discs.

norcal, you have 30 discs in your bag? you are nuts! :D

To: All the big arms.

Go down in weight 10 to 15 grams and throw with a bit of hyzer at delivery and I'd bet you'll all get close to 50 feet more distance in low to no winds. I don't mean throw the disc in a big curve, just hold it with a bit of hyzer and pull it straight ahead. If you do it right, it will fly about 150-200 feet with the inside edge down and then flip up to level and motor massively forward.

P.S.
If you already throw this way with heavy discs, then just increase the hyzer angle with the lighter discs. :D

Why is that the way? Just curious.

Not that I don't agree. You have have a good idea. However, accuracy would be much harder like that.

Instead of lowering the weight, I prefer to throw less stable discs. Some of my longest control drives have been with Wildcats, Xpresses, SE TL's, ect. On the more stable distance discs I usually throw a lower weight.

What weights are you throwing? You should be throwing 500' by the time you're my age :cool:



Thanks. I throw 168, 174 and 160. I like the 168 the best and get mose of my farthest throws with it. I had actually thrown a 169 Barry Schulz Beast pretty long, but I was just oversnapping it, even with hyzer angle and it was flipping, so I throw my Orcs now.

as one of the few but proud lady disc golfers out on the courses....... i am attached to my JLS driver (162g). On a day with no wind i can chunk it about 250....... As for the other 364 days in Oklahoma i have great distance with my 171g. Crush...... But i have a strong penchant for my X2 at 175 g. :-) depends on my mood and if trees aren't in my way! :cool:

up here at altitude--glide is more crucial than speed---thus my farthest throws consistantly come from dx teebirds or maybe a 150 DX beast

the only disc that I have bought that I have seen an actual increase in distance is my 169g Crush.
Gets me about 30 or 40 feet more than my other discs.
Throw it with some hyzer almost directly at the target, it flips up level and goes.

To: All the big arms.

Go down in weight 10 to 15 grams and throw with a bit of hyzer at delivery and I'd bet you'll all get close to 50 feet more distance in low to no winds. I don't mean throw the disc in a big curve, just hold it with a bit of hyzer and pull it straight ahead. If you do it right, it will fly about 150-200 feet with the inside edge down and then flip up to level and motor massively forward.

P.S.
If you already throw this way with heavy discs, then just increase the hyzer angle with the lighter discs. :D



If Big Arms did not throw like that already, everything would flip over. I would assume that a big arm implies throwing 425-450ish??? Not many DG'er can pull all hyzer to that kind of distance. Generally you want the disc to glide some.
Also, how many 159g Crushes have u seen?? If I go down the instructed 10g that is what I would have to find.

But thanks for the advice, really.
No really, I mean it.
:)

pro orc. how light have you guys seen these. they are rivaling my dx beasts for long shots. maybe a touch less predictable though

My favorite distance driver is a 168 g. first run XS. I got a 376 ft ace with a second run tie-dyed XS. I can throw a SE Teebird TL about the same distance (400ft), but the TL keeps turning and turning, and turning. :D

I can't wait to try a Orc! :cool:

Scott

Champ Orcs rule. But my Starfire and Champ Beast are trying to keep up.

studman:
That's one of the reasons I throw mostly Innova. You can find pretty much any model in weights down to and below 150g.
Try a candy Cobra at 160 or so.
The 'hyzer' throw I described does not travel at a hyzer angle for the greater part of its flight. If done properly the disc flips level and glides forever.

SE Valk!!
or 165-168 CE Valk!!

All my bro's throw orc's, but I use a 170g C valk

Max weight "S" Illusion

my longest disc now, is the Pro Orc... it's sweet plastic, and it's flippin FAST! I'd say faster than the champ... glides better, and b/c it's a little flippier at high speeds, I can flex it from a hyzer release. Tastey! :D

10x Teebird

I'll second the teebird comment above.
However, I get my max D with a Z-predator

Ryan, how seasoned is your Z-Pred? Do you prefer Z's to X's?
I've always seemed to hear around here how much more overstable the Z's are over the X's...

Light Champ Beasts are probably my longest discs, though I (still) prefer KC T'Birds...10x'ers and light 11x'ers.

I believe the Flash has some real potential...they fly real well even when I don't get a good rip on it. In fact, I'm not sure I've actually gotten a good rip on one yet! I have a sore forearm right now and have to force myself to NOT play... :(

Champion Orc no doubt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Champion Orc 170g or higher

The DX Valkyrie IS the longest disc as of now. I prefer the DX Teebird for realistic drives though!! X Pred and X Talon are also good.

I personally don't think the ORC and Flash and Illusion are that great. Sure they are the fastest discs available, but there is alot more to a disc than just speed. I consider the Teebird to be the perfect blend of speed, glide, and stability!!

DX Beast

The DX Valkyrie IS the longest disc as of now. I prefer the DX Teebird for realistic drives though!! X Pred and X Talon are also good.

I personally don't think the ORC and Flash and Illusion are that great. Sure they are the fastest discs available, but there is alot more to a disc than just speed. I consider the Teebird to be the perfect blend of speed, glide, and stability!!



Totally agree. The DX Teebird is perfect in every way. Too bad you have to replace them so quickly. I also think speed is way overrated. For me, an Orc or Flash will get me maybe 15 feet more at the very most over a much more predictable Teebird. It doesn't matter if you can get a tad bit more distance if you aren't controlling your flight.

My longest discs have been Spirits and Illusions.
Every once in a while I can pump my beat to hell Blaze out to about 425'+! Just takes a lot of height, spin, and SO much hyzer! Its WAY slower than conventional distance drivers, but man, it is predicable as hell!

My Orc, Starfire and Viking go the farthest for me.

My Orc is more consistently farther then the rest.

I think when the starfire and viking go farthest it's because I have used my body in a most efficient manner for my drive and that usually only happens in field practice.

DX Beast


yeah, anywhere from 163 to 175... i can crush them all

DX Beast


yeah, anywhere from 163 to 175... i can crush them all


I'll 3rd that. Granted, it's the only wide rimmed driver I've tried, but it added 30 controllable feet to my drive.

I agree. The DX Beast is the farthest disc I've thrown.... but put it in some wind and who knows where its going.

Ryan, how seasoned is your Z-Pred? Do you prefer Z's to X's? (



My longest flying Z-pred is pretty beat up, not flippy, but will hold an anhyzer for a longer period than a new Z-pred. For golfing distance, I do prefer the Z over the X because it is a bit more predictable, but for pure distance, the X flies just as far for me as the Z, I just have to change my angle of release a bit. I can get both the X and the Z over 500' but the flight pattern is quite a bit different.

The main problem I have experienced with the X predator is that they are VERY low speed overstable when new. And since I don't use them much for golfing, it takes me a very long time to beat that low speed stability down to an acceptable level. But once they are there, the X-preds DO NOT want to stop flying and I can get very long straight throws out of them without forcing an anhyzering on them

Interesting...thanks for your response! I've not tried a Z-Pred, but am anxious to get my hands on the lightest one I can find.

I also get the most distance on my z predator (don't have an x, or many other discs) i used to use an LS that was super straight, but then I lost it the one day when I tried overpowering it. :(

For flat, level throws, try the Tsunami. Its a modified Predator that flies slightly faster & straighter. The blue ones are nigh-invulnerable so you can't beat it til it's straight like an X-Pred :( The orange and red ones are more managable for mere mortals like me (>400ft power)

For hyzer flips, I can't imagine a better disc than the Teebird TL. The DX Teebird is a close second, but in the New England woods they don't last more than a round or three. Once you get the angle *just right* they glide in a straighter than straight line FOREVER. Now that Innova has released the Pro TL to the masses I can stop scouring the Internet for more TLs. Ok, that's a lie :p The Pro TL is a little too domey for anything but long turnovers/uphill shots and if its track record is anything like the Pro TB it'll beat up fast.

Circle;
I have 3 Z-preds in the 168-170 range
and 3 X-preds in the 167-169 range

The new Zs are extremely overstable and will take quite a while to beat in, if they even will? I have 3 earlier runs that are not so stable and have great glide.

the lighter the better, since they won't flip

Try a TSUNAMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its basically the early mold of the Pred. MORE GLIDE MORE GLIDE :D

Mine are the Champion Stingray and the Viking. There a bit heavy for me so I'm going to get some lighter ones.

anyone field tested for the disc with the longest distance recently? i would like to put the rogue, dx wraith and inferno head to head. for me, my longest have been with the dx wraith [have hit 500, consistantly get it to 430]. i did have some hyzer-flip bombs with the inferno, and could see how it could be longest for some. the dx wraith works best for distance with my line-drive golf style throw. i am not so good at the high, anhyser, nose down distance type throw. for that shot, i bet the inferno would have it. could someone breifly describe how to do this type of throw?

From what I've seen in town, the black infernos work ok for the huge annhyzer, but the Raging Inferno seems to have it beat. I still have yet to see anyone throw anything farther on that line than a Teerex though. Saw a 600 foot throw with one yesterday.

MC

dx teerex?

From who? Jarred? :o:o

Or did you throw 600 feet Matt?