We know all about the big guys who perennially finish top 10 at Worlds . They tour all year and maybe work for a disc maker on the side.

My question is: Who is the golfer who doesn't play that many tournaments, is maybe married and has a few kids, has a "real" job unrelated to disc golf, and comes out and is competitive with the top players?

Stan McDaniel

Great question, Special K.

Barry's World Games application had letters from people who stated that he has a "real" job, but I'm not sure what he does. Of course, he probably plays too many tournaments to fit into your question anyway.

In 1999, Jeff Harper would have to be in that list. But I think he played quite a few more tournaments in 2000. Or at least it seemed like it.

Others?

rodney

Larry Leonard. Oh, no wait, you said WITH a life! HAHA.

MADC has a few - Joe Mela, Jim Myers, and on occasion I'm no slacker - no wife and kids - but definitely a real job.

Sorry, Craig, need the wife and kids to play this game.

I'm going for players who's lives are most like mine. It will give me the hope that one day, given my circumstances, I will dominate.

I second the vote for Jeff Harper. He lives in Iowa, he has a wife and two kids, a real job, sings in the church choir, designs fantastic disc golf courses, and he came in 18th, 19th and 25th at the last three Pro Worlds. Poster Boy for the sport. Love ya Jeff!!!!

Scott Martin

Craig you are slaken get over it don't evrn try walk a day in my shoes. J.G

I would have to vote for TJ Lawrence. He went to the PDGA World Championships once and finished 4th, currently has a player rating over 1,000, and wins a bunch of PDGA events every year. His family/job keeps him from traveling much.

He also won the Bob West Memorial Sportsmanship award last year.

In our area there are a few that come to mind. Definately Joe Mela and Jim Myers. Both have put courses in, both have full time jobs (Joe may have more than one), and both head up their local clubs. Oh yeah, Jim won the Worlds, and Joey has been knock'en on the door of greatness for years, 2nd at the 95 worlds, Open.

Another is Delaware's Tim Kady, whose been winning big events for years and years. He's got more than his share of victories over the afore mentioned players. And get this he's got 9 year old triplets! He's going to run his first event this year in the Delaware games. He's our "Hometown" Tim Kady.

Stan "The Man" McDaniel - working full time with 4 kids, heavy into church and somehow finds time to design/build courses. If Larry Leonard would get a job......

I have to agree, Stan "the Man" McDaniel

I've got a job and can play... but no life.

Kenny and Schweb have a life and can play.... but no job.

Barry can play and has about half a job and half a life.

Snoop Haney might beat out stan for the guy with all three.

What do we know about Jesper's life?

**** , where did you find that thread? very interesting !! and what do top touring players do other than dg???????????

i am a humble man :confused:So my vote is for me.
I am very blessed to have 4 kids, married 18 years,same 401k job for 17 years and I am an ok player. :D:D
not really I think Mark Ellis

But Snoop does not have 4 kids.

**** , where did you find that thread? very interesting !! and what do top touring players do other than dg???????????


I dug deep for this thread, it was on the 2nd to last page of this entire Players thread.

Not that you or snoop know of.......

I saw one of the guys listed above act like a little baby at the Worlds in Flagstaff. :o

Who?

thank god Todd mentioned snoop!!

The guy has won the crosstown twice and is always in the top 15 in ratings.

He works full time at a masonry (that's hard work) and never really has time to practice.

If that guy toured full time and devoted his life to the game, he would win a world title

**** , where did you find that thread? very interesting !! and what do top touring players do other than dg???????????


I dug deep for this thread, it was on the 2nd to last page of this entire Players thread.



and this is why you are not listed in this - proof you have no life :D

Snoop may not have four kids,
but he does volunteer his time for people who want to fall off of cars, so he stays pretty busy.

Bowling for MoJo, I mean bowling using MoJo. :eek: :D ;)

thank god Todd mentioned snoop!!

The guy has won the crosstown twice and is always in the top 15 in ratings.

He works full time at a masonry (that's hard work) and never really has time to practice.

If that guy toured full time and devoted his life to the game, he would win a world title



What do they do at masonries? Walt's not going to like getting up tomorrow and reporting to the masonry.

Perhaps tomorrow I'll report to the steel mill.

Folks,

The standard is just a little vague: ie.., "The best disc golfer with a life". Now, the best disc golfer in the world with a "Real Job" is Scott Martin, as demonstrated by being the first and only recipient so designated in a Disc Golf World News article by some irrelevant scribe at a past, unknown time. However, it seems that "a life", as defined by this continuing thread may require a real job, a real game, plus a wife and offspring (it is unclear if paternity testing is required, and if so does it also require an Order of Filliation, properly signed and notarized by a sitting Judge of the appropriate jurisdiction?)

While Scott certainly has "Real Game" (He can kick your ***** and laugh at you but he generally only snickers at you under his breath) and a "Real Job" (some high tech thing dealing with making precise industrial measurements much smaller than blonde pubic hairs) and a "Real Wife" (Dana, who is a doll and far too good for him), the offspring part may be lacking. He does have two dogs, but no apparent offspring!!! So where do we go from here?

By all reports, Stan Mc Daniel fills the bill. But is he truly a disc golfer? Can someone with no visible bad habits be considered a "disc golfer". If someone who has undeniable game, job and family but does not smoke, drink, or swear (does he fart-can we get an affadavit from an eyewitness/nose witness here?), does that person fully qualify under the low traditional standard of disc golfer. Maybe the Mother Teresa Humanitarian Award or something but "disc golfer"? Since we happily embrace our scum buddies, should we exclude Stan just because he is more virtuous than us? But hold on for a moment! Should we discount his virtuosity because his wife is way hot and he has no reason to drop to the depths of depravity we succumb to? Do we have someone with a PhD in Philosophy or comparable training or life experience who can answer these issues? And what do conclude of his well known nickname; Satan? Do we overlook it merely because it was given to him by Carlton Howard? Or do we consider that Carlton spends a greater percentage of his time throwing frisbees and fishing than anyone outside of the Lissaman Brothers, so therefore, who would know more about the under oath, swear to God, truth? Huh? Eh?

How about Dr. Rick Voakes? Where can we nitpick here? Is merely healing sick children enough to qualify as a job? While he definately has game have you seen the nerdy hat he wears in cold weather? A sort of rumpled baseball cap with fold down ear muffs? Could we really grant such a prestigious award to such an individual?

Maybe we should just annoint Vinnie Miller who has the apparent qualifications (job, wife, kids, if we can believe him) plus the modesty to claim his game is suspect ( Ha! Vinnie has game) plus the good sense to vote for me!

I have no life and no game but exceptional excuses which clearly demonstrate it is not my fault, in any way, not even a liitle bit!

I hope I have clarified things.

Mark Ellis

What about Dr. Rick?

I don't get it... this post is pointless. Unless you are very mentally stable and have a powerful mind and good muscle memory, there is NO way that you can be a top pro without much practice. The only way around this is if you have been playing sice the 80's and you have a long time memory and only need to play once a month haha... :eek:

What about Mike Randolph? He has a real job, infact he just told me he has only played around 5 rounds since worlds, and still maintains a top 5 player rating.That is just sickening!

Who?



Not here.

Nice post Mark...You should seriuosly run for office.
And I am not speaking of the P.D.G.A.

That feller can talk a turd up ;)

John E. McCray doesn't play much other than the Fab Florida thingy, and he has a 1020ish player rating.

Is running 2 non PDGA, 7 C tiers, 2 B tiers, 1 Supertour and 70+ league nights considered a "Real" job?
I love my job :Dand my son! No wife though! :D
TG
Randolph, Snoop, and Scott Martin get my vote.

Sorry Timmy...
If your job is disc golf then it's not a job.
And if your life is all disc golf then.... well.... we won't go there.

Hope to see you soon somewhere.

-Todd

Sorry Timmy...
If your job is disc golf then it's not a job.
And if your life is all disc golf then.... well.... we won't go there.

So you're saying is Chris Himing doesn't have a job or a life?

Oh, wait: he's only rated 967. Guess it doesn't matter if he does or doesn't. :D

Walter Snoop Haney.

Actually Michael, the reason these guys are so good is because they have natural talent. I'm not sure about Scott but I don't remember any of the other guys hanging around in the am ranks for years before turning pro. They had the talent and desire to compete at the top level and to hold down a fulltime job and a life. I am a product of practice and as I've gotten older and lazier, it has become evident in my rapidly falling player rating.

Scott Martin for MI.
He's an Engineer and the best Pro who's not on tour.

based on player rating yes.

I would say Larry Labond from Michigan. He took 12th in the worlds. He owns a business has 2 kids, runs a league and TD's many tournys. So he has a life.

Wasn't Scott Martin AM world champ more than 10 years ago?

Wasn't Scott Martin AM world champ more than 10 years ago?


yes he was, more than 10 years I think.

my vote goes to scott martin. if he didnt have a full time job, that guy would be unstopable.

larry labond is another good one. he did awsome at wolrds this past year.

What do we know about Jesper's life?




Jesper has a girlfriend and works as a bread salesman, driving his truck and delivering to stores. He plays around 10 tournaments a year because they don�t have more than that in Sweden. He does play in his local league though, and practices around four times a week. He usually practices a lot off course, just throwing different shots in a field or doing some putting and indoors in the winter
http://www.centxdglove.com/uploads/Jesper1.JPG

Jesper is a great guy.
The long hair in the picture is Thomas. I haven't ween him in a long time. Anyone know if he is still playng?
All sweds can boom....BUT THIS GUY COULD BOOOOOMMMM!

I am a very good friend of Tomas. I speak to him at least a few times a week. He does still play, but not like he used to. I am working on getting him over here this summer. :DWe'll see.
This shows his level of play compared to Jesper.
http://www.centxdglove.com/uploads/TomasnJesper1.JPG

thats kwel...Tell him hi for me

My vote for best left handed player in the world is for sure scott martin. He is in a tie for best golfer with a life with darrel nodland and jesper lundmark. I pick jesper and darrel over john e. mcray(who is a friend of mine) only because of their overall lack of tournament play. :cool:

I don't know if Scott can be considered the best lefty in the world anymore. I think Keith Warren might give him a run for his money. Keith had a higher player rating than Scott all last year, now that they updated the ratings, Keith is only 1 point behind him ( 1019 - 1020 ) I think that's a little too close to call one player better than the other :)

Hi Vinnie :D

Couldnt help notice my name was in the "air".

Also Hi to Jeannie, my beautiful friend :o

what is happen.......good to see you still enjoy the game.

I still love the game!!

I�ve had a lot of bad years with my health... So I couldnt continue to play at the level I would like to play. Still playing though, like Jeannie showed you

In these days I spend much time teaching others about technique and how to play the game "right". I am also involved in the swedish federation, and a discgolf site in sweden (with the biggest disc database online) www.discgolfsweden.se (http://www.discgolfsweden.se) We are working on an english version.... I also spend much time working on our pay to play course which recently maintained a new 2 floor building with a shop and a caf�. The top floor we are planning to rent out for weekends to traveling players, own kitchen, shower, relaxroom, and at least 12 beds. I also run one of Swedens biggest tournaments, Skelleftea Open. So you can say I�m very much involved in the sport

I think I will never stop playing as long as I can walk...

Good for you man.


I can only dream playing your event...but dreams do come true.
Peace my brother of another mother

Alright, i stand corrected. You have a very good arguement there for sure, heeren. I guess i forgot about keith being lefty. The one thing keith has on his side, no doubt, his age. Where as scott is kind of winding down his golf career a bit. No doubt scott held that title of worlds best lefty for many, many, years though. Keith is rapidly accending to that crown now. :D

Hey Mark, if you could have seen Stan this past weekend at the ice bowl here, you would know for sure that he fits the criteria.

I remember playing a round in the 1994 Worlds at Circle R with Tomas and Scott Stokley. These guys were booming drives well over the trees , while I was trying to throw 300' up the middle. It was sick :cool:and to top it off Tomas was throwing mostly a piranha :D

I'm surprised no one has mention David Greenwell, he has had a life his entire career and to this day (age 50!) is as competitive as ever.

I don't know if Scott can be considered the best lefty in the world anymore. I think Keith Warren might give him a run for his money. Keith had a higher player rating than Scott all last year, now that they updated the ratings, Keith is only 1 point behind him ( 1019 - 1020 ) I think that's a little too close to call one player better than the other :)

I would tkae Keith in that match-up every day of the week.

Tight wooded Course and I would have to take Scott, besides that keith everywhere else.

All sweds can boom....BUT THIS GUY COULD BOOOOOMMMM!




I remember playing a round in the 1994 Worlds at Circle R with Tomas and Scott Stokley. These guys were booming drives well over the trees , while I was trying to throw 300' up the middle. It was sick and to top it off Tomas was throwing mostly a piranha




...and now he's teaching me, so watch out ladies. Give me a couple a years and we'll see who's booming :D

Hey - let's here about some of the great women discer's with a life :)

I can believe nobody has brought up Darrell "Spike" Nodland. Here is a guy playing in the lonlely land of North Dakota, works as some type of Egineer and has kicked the majortiy of peoples ***** at the USDGC for the last three years. I think you would definately have to throw him in the mix.

Maybe at the USDGC to.

If you go back a page or 2, you will see that i did mention Darrell along with Jesper. There are a lot of people who fit the mold for this "best golfer with a life". Like Mark and, Todd W were sayin', it kind of depends on your personal perspective of what a "Life" is. After analyzing my previous stance on this subject, I believe that is too close to call. But I will give you my personal finalists. Jesper Lundmark. Darrell Nodland. Keith Warren. John E. McRay. Snoop Dogg(Walt H.). Stan McDaniel. Scott Martin. David Greenwell. There were a few that I excluded only on the basis that they have been "On Tour" recently. :p :D

All sweds can boom....BUT THIS GUY COULD BOOOOOMMMM!





Hey - let's here about some of the great women discer's with a life :)

Sharon Jenkins, she has 3 world championships, 2 kids and a life.

I believe Elaine King has a PHD. She shows up and competes every year.

I believe Elaine King has a PHD. She shows up and competes every year.



To the contrary, having a Ph.D. does not mean you have a life, quite the opposite in fact. :)

Good point Lyle. You get a 9.5 on the wiseass-ometer. Although when I was in college and grad school most of the Prof's I had seemed to have it peretty **** easy.

I think it depends on the field. In Biomedical science it is long hours with science nerds. My favorite Ph.D. joke is how many grad students does it take to change a light bulb? Only one but it takes 8 years. :)

To the Bio-nerds that is there life. :(
I have friends that live in labs and they love it. Demented they are but to them it is a life. Back on to golf:

Sylvia Voakes would be another lady disc golfer with a life.

Tight wooded Course and I would have to take Scott, besides that keith everywhere else.



Hmmm, you don't know Keith do you Matt? That's the only place I would pick Keith for sure! His home course is one of the tightest in the state ( all pinetrees ) I've seen him take down Barry ( on Barry's home course ) on very tight wooded courses.

What if we turn your question on its head?

How about a list of great disc golfers who have sacrified job, wife, and kids for their game?

We know all about the big guys who perennially finish top 10 at Worlds . They tour all year and maybe work for a disc maker on the side.

My question is: Who is the golfer who doesn't play that many tournaments, is maybe married and has a few kids, has a "real" job unrelated to disc golf, and comes out and is competitive with the top players?



I'll throw my local guy's hat into the ring... Micah Dorius.

Pro argument: Doesn't tour, runs his own business, and has a wonderful wife Claudia. Perennial top ten player rating. Perennial threat at majors he does attend. Is not only competitive but wins tournaments against big competition every year.

Cons: No kids. Running his own landscaping business does allow him plenty of practice time in late afternoons.

scott martin- best player with a "real" job, and best lefty

:Please define "Real Job" for me. :confused:

Real job euqas not living out of a van/RV/ peoples houses on tour week in and week out. Anybody that puts in 40+ hours a week has a "real" job regaurdless of what they do.

To give the east coast their due:

Gangloff and Joe Mela are great players who have wives, jobs, and lives.

-tB

I put in at least 40-50 hours of poker playing online a week. Does that count? :p

Between my job, disc golf, and online poker... I put in about 100 hours a week.... and disc golf is only getting about 10 of those hours.... work gets about 40.. some weeks more.. some weeks less.

I hear ya TB. ;)

Ya comin' to the Crosstown?

what poker site do you guys play on?? im on pokerroom. com alot lately.

Pokerstars for me

I'm Friz-B

-tB

Todd, I play on there almost every night.....Come and play the sit'n'go tourneys for $12 and $35 with me..they are fun and you only have to beat four to get some cash...I am frizbee or frisbee...can't remeber? :confused: