ERicJ
Apr 28 2015, 01:04 AM
Referencing the famous picture:
http://discussion.pdga.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=1206&stc=1&d=1430193035
And the PDGA 2011 Rule Change article (http://www.pdga.com/rule-changes-2011) where holing out was described... the word "entirely" is used, when it is not in the actual rule verbiage:
These changes for holing out mean calls for the �putting tree� photo shown [above] that was in the Rules School story on Interference need to be updated. Under the old rules, only the yellow disc would not have been considered holed out when the player removed it. Under 2011 rules, the white and red discs are holed out (IN). The yellow disc as before and the orange disc hanging on the nub outside the basket are NOT IN. The orange disc balancing on the rim, which used to be considered IN, is now considered OUT in the 2011 rules because the disc is not entirely supported by the pole, inner wall or bottom of the basket. The orange wedgie is now NOT IN if the group observed it wedge from the outside. If the group did not see it or watched it clear the top basket wire then wedge on the way out, it is IN.
Basket Targets: In order to hole out, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the chains and/or the inner cylinder (bottom and inside wall) of the tray. It may be additionally supported by the pole. A disc that enters the target below the top of the tray or above the bottom of the chain support is not holed out.
What if the orange disc that was balancing on the rim was shifted right such that it was supported on one side by the top of the rim and the other side by a chain link (or the large round chain connecting hoop)?
Without the word "entirely" or "only" in the actual rule verbiage it would seem that you only need one supporting point on the chains, inner cylinder, or pole to be considered holed out.
http://discussion.pdga.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=1206&stc=1&d=1430193035
And the PDGA 2011 Rule Change article (http://www.pdga.com/rule-changes-2011) where holing out was described... the word "entirely" is used, when it is not in the actual rule verbiage:
These changes for holing out mean calls for the �putting tree� photo shown [above] that was in the Rules School story on Interference need to be updated. Under the old rules, only the yellow disc would not have been considered holed out when the player removed it. Under 2011 rules, the white and red discs are holed out (IN). The yellow disc as before and the orange disc hanging on the nub outside the basket are NOT IN. The orange disc balancing on the rim, which used to be considered IN, is now considered OUT in the 2011 rules because the disc is not entirely supported by the pole, inner wall or bottom of the basket. The orange wedgie is now NOT IN if the group observed it wedge from the outside. If the group did not see it or watched it clear the top basket wire then wedge on the way out, it is IN.
Basket Targets: In order to hole out, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest supported by the chains and/or the inner cylinder (bottom and inside wall) of the tray. It may be additionally supported by the pole. A disc that enters the target below the top of the tray or above the bottom of the chain support is not holed out.
What if the orange disc that was balancing on the rim was shifted right such that it was supported on one side by the top of the rim and the other side by a chain link (or the large round chain connecting hoop)?
Without the word "entirely" or "only" in the actual rule verbiage it would seem that you only need one supporting point on the chains, inner cylinder, or pole to be considered holed out.