eupher61
Aug 08 2011, 02:19 AM
There's a question that bugs me. I can't repeat it verbatim, but it's basically this.
A concrete trash can is called part of the course by the TD. A player's disc lands in front of it (side toward the basket) in such a place that she can't take a legal stance. There's also a trash truck in the way, between her disc's lie and the basket. What can she do?
803.05A says she can't take relief from the can, and B says she can ask to have the truck moved.
A. Obstacles to a Stance or Throwing Motion: With the exception of casual obstacles to a stance as described in 803.05 B, a player is not allowed to move any obstacle on the course. No relief is granted from park equipment (such as signs, trash cans, picnic tables, etc), which is considered part of the course. A player is allowed to request that other people remove themselves and/or their belongings from the player's stance or line of play. A player must choose the stance which results in the least movement of any obstacle. Once a legal stance is taken, the player may not move an obstacle in any way in order to make room for a throwing motion. It is legal for a player's throwing motion to cause incidental movement of an obstacle.
B. Casual Obstacles to a Stance: A player may obtain relief only from the following obstacles that are in the stance or run-up area: casual water, loose leaves or debris, broken branches no longer connected to a tree, motor vehicles, harmful insects or animals, players' equipment, people, or any item or area specifically designated by the director before the round. The player must first attempt to remove the obstacle. If it is impractical to move the obstacle, the player's lie may be relocated to the nearest lie which is no closer to the hole, is on the line of play, and is not more than five meters from the original lie, as agreed to by a majority of the group or an official (unless greater casual relief is announced by the director).
But, 803.04E says she CAN move the stance to behind a large solid obstacle.
E. If a large solid obstacle prevents a player from taking a legal stance within 30 centimeters
directly behind the marker disc, the player shall take his or her stance immediately
behind that obstacle on the line of play. The player must comply with all the provisions of
803.04 A other than being within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc.
Since I can't access the actual test after taking it, my faulty memory may cause inaccuracies, but I looked at the question a long time before answering it. I got it right, but I'm still not sure why it was right. The two rules seem contradictory. Maybe a concrete trash can isn't a "large solid obstacle"? What is, then? And, since it was announced as part of the course by the TD... I don't remember the question saying the TD announced it was eligible for relief as in 803.04E.
thanks.
A concrete trash can is called part of the course by the TD. A player's disc lands in front of it (side toward the basket) in such a place that she can't take a legal stance. There's also a trash truck in the way, between her disc's lie and the basket. What can she do?
803.05A says she can't take relief from the can, and B says she can ask to have the truck moved.
A. Obstacles to a Stance or Throwing Motion: With the exception of casual obstacles to a stance as described in 803.05 B, a player is not allowed to move any obstacle on the course. No relief is granted from park equipment (such as signs, trash cans, picnic tables, etc), which is considered part of the course. A player is allowed to request that other people remove themselves and/or their belongings from the player's stance or line of play. A player must choose the stance which results in the least movement of any obstacle. Once a legal stance is taken, the player may not move an obstacle in any way in order to make room for a throwing motion. It is legal for a player's throwing motion to cause incidental movement of an obstacle.
B. Casual Obstacles to a Stance: A player may obtain relief only from the following obstacles that are in the stance or run-up area: casual water, loose leaves or debris, broken branches no longer connected to a tree, motor vehicles, harmful insects or animals, players' equipment, people, or any item or area specifically designated by the director before the round. The player must first attempt to remove the obstacle. If it is impractical to move the obstacle, the player's lie may be relocated to the nearest lie which is no closer to the hole, is on the line of play, and is not more than five meters from the original lie, as agreed to by a majority of the group or an official (unless greater casual relief is announced by the director).
But, 803.04E says she CAN move the stance to behind a large solid obstacle.
E. If a large solid obstacle prevents a player from taking a legal stance within 30 centimeters
directly behind the marker disc, the player shall take his or her stance immediately
behind that obstacle on the line of play. The player must comply with all the provisions of
803.04 A other than being within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc.
Since I can't access the actual test after taking it, my faulty memory may cause inaccuracies, but I looked at the question a long time before answering it. I got it right, but I'm still not sure why it was right. The two rules seem contradictory. Maybe a concrete trash can isn't a "large solid obstacle"? What is, then? And, since it was announced as part of the course by the TD... I don't remember the question saying the TD announced it was eligible for relief as in 803.04E.
thanks.