august
Mar 03 2010, 04:25 AM
We have installed alternate pin collars at our course and are now looking at designs for new signs. We have a few holes where the alt. pin position changes the par of the hole from 3 to 4 and we are wondering how others have denoted this on the sign. One idea is to note the par next to the individual length measurements on the sign. Another is to eliminate the par designation completely from all the signs and only note the par on the scorecard. Has this been done somewhere?

Another point discussed is how to label the pin positions. Most of the new collar positions are longer than the originally installed positions, but a few are shorter. My thought is to mark all the original positions as "A" and all the new ones as "B", regardless of length. This is so when the course is set in the "A" pin positions it will be the original course design configuration. Another thought is to mark all the shortest ones as "A" and the longer ones as "B", which is more traditional. But doing it that way results in the original course configuration having some pins in the "A" position and some in the "B" position. In the long run, does it really matter? Has anyone else dealt with a similar situation?

davidsauls
Mar 03 2010, 10:01 AM
I'd suggest the traditional A-short/B-long system. It will make more sense to traveling and new players. Down the road, fewer people will care about which layout is original. You could use as asterisk "B*" to denote original layout, or a different color (whichever letter is red is original, blue is not).

My two cents.

august
Mar 03 2010, 01:02 PM
I'd suggest the traditional A-short/B-long system. It will make more sense to traveling and new players. Down the road, fewer people will care about which layout is original. You could use as asterisk "B*" to denote original layout, or a different color (whichever letter is red is original, blue is not).

My two cents.

I appreciate those 2 cents, but I was really looking for anyone who had dealt with this specific situation, which is somewhat unique. And the traditional A-short B-long system will not work here because if all the baskets are put in all A or all B positions, neither of those confirgurations will provide the intended mix of right, left, straight, long, and short holes. As long as I'm living and breathing and playing disc golf at this course, I will care about which positions are original. Top notch quality is a high priority for me. The cookie cutter aspect of prior courses - all par 3, etc. - has never suited me and this course was envisioned from the beginning as something that would break out of that mold.

Again, I sincerely appreciate the 2 cents.

cgkdisc
Mar 03 2010, 01:53 PM
Do the lengths and pars on the signs. Players have trouble adding up the score when pars are listed on scorecards. Consider doing something like we've done at the IDGC which I posted on DG'R'US the other day. Your "Original" layout would just be one of the configurations you track.

"We have A & B pin placements on most holes with some having different pars on the same hole. We created eight named layouts that used the A & B pin placements roughly equally in different combinations. Of course, "All long" and "All short" are two of the eight layouts.

Records are maintained on each layout so players have a reference for when they do really well. As you point out, it sucks when pins are moved around and you don't know how your round stacks up when you shoot a really good one."

august
Mar 03 2010, 02:23 PM
That would probably work well as there are only two holes (#4 and #10) that change from Par 3 to Par 4 when the pin is in the new alternate position.