This is a very close race. I think that Jenkins may have an edge when factoring in the many details. No question Locastro had an incredible year, but in the end I feel like Jenkins pulls this one out. Once you calculate the catagories mentioned in the PDGA doc (which I am not certain that I did correctly), AJ looks to be ahead. It imay be close enough to take to an alternative factor and if so here is an idea.

Why not let the World Rankings be the deciding factor? It makes sense to utilize all of the statistics compiled into the World Rankings. Avery Jenkins has been ranked no worse than 4th in the world for the entire year. He aslo has been ranked 1st after his World title. Locastro on the other hand has not been better than 10th all year long until his USDGC title. When the October rankings came out he jumped to 2nd, still not first. Bottom line, AJ has been ranked higher in the world all year long.


http://www.pdga.com/pdga-documents/p...led-procedures


Based on these four factors in this doc. things look good for Avery, but it is so close they should take a look at the world rankings thing to decide.

1. Best event rating 35% (best two event ratings in Majors or NTs, plus five best ratings in Btiers or higher) (Looks like Locastro)
2. Worlds 20% (AJ for sure)
3. Finish Position 20% (?)
4. Head-to-Head 20% (AJ for sure)


Best event rating:

Jenkins
Majors
1 1077
2 1072

1 1069
2 1066
3 1066
4 1065
5 1064

Avg = 1068

Locastro
Majors
1 1080
2 1063

1 1088
2 1076
3 1073
4 1071
5 1070

Avg = 1074

Talk it up here. Who do you think should take home the title of 2009 PDGA Player of the Year?

Rand, not sure where you are getting your event ratings for Jenkins and Locastro but the correct ones are in this document: http://www.pdga.com/pdga-documents/male-player-of-the-year-standings Perhaps you are taking the best round from those events and not the average of the ratings at the event which is how we are doing it?

With regard to using World Rankings as a tiebreaker, I'm not sure ties need to be broken. We already have a precedent where ties are not broken and tied candidates both win: http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/PDGAAwardWinners.pdf In addition, you can't consider the length of time a player is ranked at the top during a year as relevant because it uses rounds and events from previous years. Only the last World Ranking of the year only includes events from that year.

Thanks Chuck. I calculated the wrong numbers as I took their best rated rounds for the year.

About the world rankins, why would the players position not move much for the entire year, but after one event he jumps to 2nd? Locastro was ranked no better than 10th all year long. Then the rankings come out for October 2009 and now he is 2nd. If what you said is true then how could one tournament elevate him that many spots?

The USDGC is still the biggest factor in the rankings, even more than Worlds. So dropping off the USDGC from last year- both finish position and the ratings generated from that - makes a jump in the rankings common for several players in the late October update each year.

I am not sure how much this has to do with POY, but Nikko has made $40,476 plus whatever has not been reported yet. Does this have anything to do with the POY of the year outcomes. Also I am curious to know what the most any player has won in sanctioned events in a year. I know KC has over $40k in a year, but this is pretty impressive.

Cash is not in the POY calculations.

I am not sure how much this has to do with POY, but Nikko has made $40,476 plus whatever has not been reported yet. Does this have anything to do with the POY of the year outcomes. Also I am curious to know what the most any player has won in sanctioned events in a year. I know KC has over $40k in a year, but this is pretty impressive.

He has won more money than anyone else as far as I know. $800 more this weekend which helps a little.

I have no idea why they don't take money into account and like I said ratings have very little to fo with POY and ROY if you ask me. Voting almost seems better now.

He has won more money than anyone else as far as I know. $800 more this weekend which helps a little.

I have no idea why they don't take money into account and like I said ratings have very little to fo with POY and ROY if you ask me. Voting almost seems better now.

I dont think money should count because some players dont have the means to travel year round, and have to be selective with which tournaments they play. Nikko is lucky to have his uncle back him in his travels which allows him to go to more places to play.

Voting almost seems better now.

well, duh... of course it does because it is.

if you've got to be selective about events you play OR are selective by choice you have no biz in the talk for player of the year. dedicated candidates only please.

well, duh... of course it does because it is.

if you've got to be selective about events you play OR are selective by choice you have no biz in the talk for player of the year. dedicated candidates only please.


Voting was far from perfect though with a few questionable results in the past years. Seems like a system combining a few aspects like money, points, and rating would be the best way so it isn't just one dimensional.

Well, We all know voting will not work for ROY or POY, lets be serious.
STats are the ONLY way to go, they just need refining.
POY should be awarded to the the player who had the best year playing discs golf.
By best it should mean, how well players do in majors, NT and A tiers ( by the way we could use 2 more Majors)
Wins or top finishes in Majors, NT and A tiers with a point system would be a good idea with a HUGE
emphasis on W's!!!!!!!
Money should certainly have a factor,,, maybe earnings average per major Nt and A tier events or even a total for A tiers, NT's and Majors.



Seems like too much precedence is being placed on Ratings, I could see eliminating the 7 top event ratings and only using the specific years ratings of A tiers, NTs and majors.


Using ratings of 2 round B tiers or anything to do with B tiers besides maybe just wins ( as a small factor) is really not needed to decide.

If the only stats for the POY award is not based on just A tiers NTs and Majors they should be!
The rankings should have something to do with it as well but it needs refining too.

Head to head is also one of the best ways to tell who had a better year. or who should win if its really REALLY close.



With Nikkos 15 wins in total ( 1 major 1 NT and 5 A tiers) and 11 seconds, $25,000.00 more in earnings to Joshs 3 wins, that is just too big of a gap for Josh to over come.

In head to head total strokes Josh is the only one ahead of Nikko (by 2 strokes in like 8 events),, Nikko is on front of Avery by 11 strokes in 19 events only .57 strokes per event,, so that pretty dang close. Avery did beat Nikko in head to head 10 - 9 but 6 of the 10 were only by 1 stroke.
Nikkos average margin of Victory over Avery was a little over 5 per event.

all in all its was a highly competitive Year between Nikko and Avery.

While Josh Avery, Dave F, Ken C and Barry all had great years, the wins, money and head to head stats of Nikko in 2009 against these guys speak for themselves.
Maybe things would be different if josh would have played 20 events head to head, but he didnt.


Now as far as the Bob West award goes I don't think ANY of these guys ( other than Josh) would even be mentioned in the top 50!

...Avery did beat Nikko in head to head 10 - 9 ...



Very interesting stat.

Avery did beat Nikko in head to head 10 - 9 but 6 of the 10 were only by 1 stroke.

Just like cawk pushups, one is all ya need!

Very interesting stat.
Thought you'd like it!

Heres some more,,,,, although they probaly wont interst you as much :)

Nikko 15 wins,1 major, 5 A tiers, (9 2nds, 3 3rds, 3 4ths),, total earnnings $42K
Avery , 9 wins, 1 major, 3 A tiers, (10 2nds, 2 3rds, 2 4ths),, total earnings $30K

If Avery were dominating Nikkos stats like this we wouldn't even be having the conversation.
Its pretty obvious that NIkko had a better year the Aj based on these stats,,, but there are others including ratings which is where Nikko is even farther in fron of Aj,
From what Dave F told me,,, based on the way the POY is awarded this year, Avery would be in 4th behind him and ken,!

Josh Anthon had a VERY good year.

Just like cawk pushups, one is all ya need!


Laughed for about 10 minutes over that^^^^^

Laughed for about 10 minutes over that^^^^^
oh,,,, I just got it :)