Hello fellow golfers. Big news coming out of the great Pacific Northwest disc golf scene. Not sure how many of you saw how quickly the Beaver State Fling NT presented by Keen Footwear event in Oregon filled up but rumor has it that it was in record time... 36 hours! Keen Footwear, based in Portland, OR recently became the title sponsor for the Beaver State Fling as they are expressing a sincere interest in our wonderful sport.

I've been lucky enough to have been on the wear-testing squad for a Keen Disc Golf shoe! No kidding. The shoe, which will be a waterproof shoe, will be available for purchase sometime this summer. Look for Keen to do big things in the disc golf scene, their presence will be felt. And, to be honest, you can't find a company better equipped and like-minded to show their love and support to disc golf. We're lucky to have disc golfers within their company.

I�m trying to get as many people signed up at their new HybridLife Community website as possible listing their one of their activies as Disc Golf. When more people list Disc Golf in the section of their profile �How I Create, Play and Care� the font size grows larger. You can filter in a key word search Disc Golf and all those who list it will pop up. It�s my goal to have 1,000 on there by the end of the year. Just go to www.keenfootwear.com (http://www.keenfootwear.com) and post a profile to the HybridLife Community.

Support Keen's involvement in Disc Golf. I'll post a picture of the shoe when it's available to me, heck I don't even work for them but I'm stoked they're on our side and are taking into consideration the needs of disc golfers in designing a disc-golf-specific shoe!

Best,
Aaron Durand
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I'm in man... Looking forward to seeing the shoe!

I love Keens I got their Targa GorTex and real happy with them great grip excellent support and their gortex hasn't left me with wet feat yet great product cant wait to see this two of my favorite shoes getting into disc golf YEA Keen N Merriells ROC

I'm in, been waiting for something like this. Are they lightweight?

I hope...I like playing in tennis/running shoes but sometimes end up wearing more of a hoking boot to get the durability I want.

^^^ was that a "hooking" or "hiking" boot you wear?

Yes, they're lightweight and waterproof. The first run of these will also be a low top, for those curious. Very comfy!

I'm pretty stocked up on Bite D-high's and Torque's ... I love the Torque. It's good to see another shoe manufacturer stepping up and making a "disc golf shoe".

I hope Croc's [Bite] choke on their short sightedness.

Looking forward to seeing what Keen comes up with.

I hope the soles hold up better than the Keen's I have. I love the wrap around toe wihch fixes the problem I have withmost shoes falling apart but the one sI have the shoes themselves are 100% in tact, just the soles are worn out. I play mostly on concrete tee pads.

I agree ... the soles on my Keens wore out, or they fell apart. They need to be one piece, preferably Vibram so they last. If the soles look anything like what I've had in the past, I'll have to pass.

Which brings up a pertinent question... say the average PDGA member golfs 1-3 times per week. How long do you think you should get out of a pair of disc golf shoes?

Woohoo! I'm above average. I get 4-5 days of golf a week. And can wear a left heel off a pair of Merrell Moabs in 6 months. That's a Vibram sole on those. Keens...well...I bet I could kill a pair of them very quickly.

What do you guys do to your shoes I play on concrete 90% of the time I wear merrells and have had the same pair for 2 years now soles are still good traction getting a bit low but still good. I dont always wear the same pair but I have had my Moabs for awhile and there Chamaleon Leathers for longer and they both holding up great. My Keens I just got this winter so we shall see how they hold up so far so good and I have been wearing em since the snow lifted. I dont get how you guys rip up these shoes?????

I have had a pair of Vasque Blur XCRs for a solid year now and they look like brand new. I played several times a week as well on concrete tees. A lot of people drag their feet and tear up the sides of the shoes or the toe. I would guess the person tearing up heels in 6 months would be spinning on their heal which would grind them down pretty quickly.

I had had a pair of Salomon's for 3+ yrs and they show some wear but I have bin in knee deep water with them more times than I can recall but the soles have held up really well! My Merrell's chameleon gore-tex wraps only lasted 2 weeks before I had to send them back because the injected molding cleat came out from playing maybe 5 times on concrete they where nice enough to send a new pair for free after some discussion those lasted about a year with ought any creek time :DI play with my Salomon�s year round on concrete and play at lunch 90% of the time it is only 9 holes but still that is throwing multiple discs each tee at least 4 times a week plus a mini.:D I think the big difference in the soles of the shoes in my experience if you play a lot of concrete and also play natural tee�s the sole has to be one piece with no lugs that stick out by them self�s my Salomon�s have great traction but the groves of the sole are one piece from one side to the other ^v^v^v kind of like that but I cant find any that are like that on the Salomon site anyone else have a pair of Salomon�s that they have really like and lasted for a long time on concrete?

I kind of like the speed comps by salomon.

I'm pretty stocked up on Bite D-high's and Torque's ... I love the Torque. It's good to see another shoe manufacturer stepping up and making a "disc golf shoe".

I hope Croc's [Bite] choke on their short sightedness.

Looking forward to seeing what Keen comes up with.



Speaking of Bite, last time I asked Kenny about the shoes he was talking about getting a lawyer b/c he hasn't seen a dime from Crocs since they bought bite and they still owe him $$$. Don't buy Bites or Crocs!

What do you guys do to your shoes I play on concrete 90% of the time I wear merrells and have had the same pair for 2 years now soles are still good traction getting a bit low but still good. I dont always wear the same pair but I have had my Moabs for awhile and there Chamaleon Leathers for longer and they both holding up great. My Keens I just got this winter so we shall see how they hold up so far so good and I have been wearing em since the snow lifted. I dont get how you guys rip up these shoes?????


We throw hard. I do a lot of hiking and never where the shoes out hiking. As soon as I start throwing disc gofl with a pair of shoes they are toast in like 6 months, MAX. The best pair a I had was a pair of North Face but they don't make that model anymore and the ones they make now where out in 3 months. If a shoes has a weak spot, DG will expose it.

I had two pairs of the Targa. I play about 144 holes a week, most of them on concrete tees. I didn't have a problem with the soles on them. I drag my feet so 2 or 3 part soles fall apart within a week of playing (solomans). The stitching behind the toe on the Keens didn't last more than a month for me, rendering them less than waterproof. I now wear Newbalance. They held up the best but still don't stay in good shape for more than 4 months. It seems like the $40 Newbalance are more cost effective than $80 keens that fall apart. I liked the look and traction of the Keens and will try them again if/when they make a disc golf shoe, I just hope they do a stronger stitch that will hold up to the "twist" of driving off a concrete tee.

I am interested in being a tester for Keen here is Texas. Someone on this thread sounded they are hooked up with Keen so if they need a warm weather tester that plays a lot, let me know.

Merrell Chameleon, Merrell Chameleon, Merrell Chameleon.

I've been wearing these since 2004. I'm on my 2nd Version ( I do not like the quality of the new Chameleons, but you still can find merrell chameleon wraps out there... http://www.shoebuy.com/merrell-chameleon...e-_-none-_-none (http://www.shoebuy.com/merrell-chameleon-wrap-gore-tex-xcr/159047/366413?cm_mmc=frooglelist-_-none-_-none-_-none) )

I have in total 6 pairs that I circulate. Recently, I picked up two new pairs on the interweb for 79.99 each. Google Merrell Chameleon Wrap with Gore tex and you might get lucky. These shoes hold up so well that I couldn't "risk" not being able to get replacements if I needed them, and bought two new pairs, although I have others that are in excellent shape.

My home course has concrete tees and the vibram "octogrip" sole is holding up great and gore-tex still is waterproof (even on the ones that are 4 years old).

I've tried North Face, Hi-Tek, Columbia, Nike, and Saloman, all "waterproof." Merrells hold up the best, by far. Also, if you have a problem with them, they'll take them back and send a new pair.

Signed,

#1 Merrell Fan

Erick

Woohoo! I'm above average. I get 4-5 days of golf a week. And can wear a left heel off a pair of Merrell Moabs in 6 months. That's a Vibram sole on those. Keens...well...I bet I could kill a pair of them very quickly.



The sole on the 2nd rendition of the Chameleon Wrap is much much much better than the Moab. The Moab is typically $25.00 cheaper, and there is a big difference in quality.

Haha, thanks Jerry. Pretty sure much of the wear-testing has been wrapped up and there's no shortage of avid golfers in the Portland area to take on those responsibilities.
If anyone is going to the Beaver State Fling, make sure to stop by the Keen tent. I'll post a picture as soon as I can.

I had a pair of North Face 103 XCRs that lasted about 12 holes before the bottom of the shoe started to come unglued. Just the twisting motion of throwing made them come apart.

Like I mentioned before, I have the Vasque Blur XCRs and they have well over 100 rounds on them and still look like new. I'm really hard on shoes normally but these have held up great.

I hope that the new Keen disc golf shoes work out... I would gladly support a shoe company that supports disc golf!

i can do the same thing here in Virginia. living in Lynchburg, right in the Blue Ridge Mountains so all of our courses are far from flat and great for wearing out shoes. willing to help as i would certainly be able to test them out or wear them out. great that disc golf specific shoes are being put on the market soon hopefully.

If they perform anything like their sandals do on the course they will be highly desirable.

The shoe will definitely borrow from some of the designs that have made Keen such a great footwear company. They've also taken into careful consideration the feedback we gave them during the wear-testing process. It's a good looking and better performing shoe, designed to address the disc golfer's needs.

I wear out shoes on tee pads because I pivot. Just grinds down the rubber. I buy cheap shoes and put custom inserts inside. They are custom made for my particular foot problems.

any updates?

I know this sounds like a plug, but since they are no longer, I guess it isn't.
I bought up a bunch of the Bite shoes and love them. I tried the Merrell's,
but they were too narrow. My favorites prior to the bites were the Fusion
GTX from Asolo. Those were great but took about two months to break in.
The Bites were comfortable right out of the box. Plus, they are water resistant.
If these Keens are water resistant, high top, and lighter weight, I want them as
long as they come in wider sizes. New Balance sucks for wider footed people.
If you need a tester in the Atlanta area for the Keens, I'm your man.

As a forehand foot dragger, I wear out the toe of my right shoes. With most shoes I can see the wear pattern on the right toe after one round with a brand new pair. Within a month the toe is blown out. So I have numerous pairs of shoes which look new except for the hole where the right toe used to be. If I really like the feel of the shoe I then install a "pitching toe" over the hole, which gives it new life.

Keens have the huge toe built into them, which I love. Generally I buy cheap shoes since the life expectancy is short for any pair. I found a pair of Keens at a discount house (Marshalls) and played in them. They felt great and worked well but did not last long. Shockingly (for me) the shoes blew out pretty quickly (tore on the sides) but the toe was still intact.

If Keen is designing a shoe for disc golf I hope they build them sturdy as heck because our sport puts great stress on shoes.

Whats the name of the "Disc Golf SHoe" trying to look it up on their site and not having any luck

New Balance sucks for wider footed people.

What???
New Balance probably sells more 2E and 4E shoe models than anybody out there except maybe Red Wing. I have a size 9-4E foot so I have to look long and hard for something that fits.

Kohl's and Academy Sports carry many of the New Balance shoes in extra wide widths. Just don't expect to get long life out of a light weight track shoe. Always look for the All-Terrain models and you should get decent life. for less than $50. If you shop at the New Balance stores you will find their latest offerings but at a premium price.

I have 3 pairs of the old 607's that are all 2-4 years old. The outer shows wear but the tread is still good and I don't have any blow outs.

For Gore-Tex the Nine Fifty is an excellent A-T soled shoe. Just don't wear your Gore-tex when it is dry. You will wear out the lining and they will be useless when you really need them.

Over the last year the quality of the New Balance soles has gone down. The last pair of 620's I bought were junk with soft foamy soles like a knock off brand. Hopefully they will rectify that soon.

With luck Keen will produce some nice wide toebox models that I can try.

I also have a wide foot (8.5 4E) and New Balance (or Dunham, their bootmaker) is about the only shoe I will use.

I am a weartester for New Balance and get 6 to 8 pair of shoes to test each year. The best ones I have used so far are the 875 model. They are a trail running shoe but they were very comfortable and had great grip on a varitey of surfaces.

Being a running shoe they may not last as long but they were great while I had them (I have to return each pair after the test is finished.)

New Balance also has a new multi-sport shoe out, the 1520. It comes in a regular set up or a gore-tex model. It has a vibram sole designed speficially for the shoe and has that wrap-around look that some of the Merrell soles have.

i am just looking for a shoe that has some grip on wet brick tees. the course i play at the most has bricked-in tee boxes. they are great when it is dry, but when wet, slick as crap.

Vibram soles and whatever is comfy on ur feet. I play on concrete pads mostly and vibram soles are the grippiest I find. I have some north face trail runners and keens and the merrells with vibram soles win hands down for wet conditions

Are these still set to come on November 1st? I'm lookin for some info.

Thanks

No They have been bumped back to Nov. 20th told by Jay Reading himself

According to their facebook page they are still due out on Nov. 1st

Ya thats what I asked Jay Reading Tuesday night and he just said they had some kind of delay and that they will be released Nov. 20th

They are available in 7.5

http://www.keenfootwear.com/product/fw09/shoes/men/trailhead/milo/drizzle!gargoyle

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The MILO Disc Golf Shoe by KEEN set to release on November 20th, 2009.

Only available for sale online at <a href="http://www.keenfootwear.com/product/fw09/shoes/men/trailhead/milo/drizzle!gargoyle"target="new">www.KEENFootwear.com</a> - $110

A variety of Disc Golfers have tested the MILO in all weather conditions. It provides excellent grip properties, asymmetrical lacing and reinforced toe bumper. Perfect for all weather and all terrain.


Description:

Disc Golf has a new best friend! Step up to the tee box with the MILO from KEEN. Designed to carry disc golfers through even the most demanding of conditions, the MILO features KEEN.DRY waterproof barrier, reinforced toe bumpers, asymmetrical lacing and superior grip properties keeping your feet dry, protected and in place. More stock coming soon!

Specs:

Lining: Waterproof breathable lining
Upper: Synthetic, Webbing, Mesh
Rubber: Non-marking rubber
Fit Tip: We find this style runs about a 1/2 size small.
Activities: Trail Running, Hiking
Type: Shoes
Weather: Wet – waterproof

Features:

- KEEN.DRY Waterproof Breathable Membrane
- KEEN Toe Protection
- Anti-Bunch Asymmetrical Flex Lace System
- S3 Heel Support Structure
- Multi-Directional 3 MM Lug Outsole for Traction
- Removable Metatomical Tri-Density Footbed

HYBRID.OLOGIES:

S3
Shock, suspension, stability – otherwise known as S3 – is engineered to support the foot on impact, dissipate shock and reduce your odds of twisting an ankle.

KEEN.DRY
A proprietary waterproof, breathable membrane that lets vapor out without letting water in.

METATOMICAL FOOTBED DESIGN
This internal support mechanism is anatomically engineered to provide excellent arch support and cradle the natural contours of the foot.

KEEN.PROTECT
Can a sandal protect your toes? The answer is yes. The reason is KEEN Patented Toe Protection where the shoe outsoles wrap up and over the toes for ultimate protection.

KEEN has been a generous sponsor to the Master's Cup and Beaver State Fling Disc Golf National Tour Events, as well a Major sponsor to this year's United States Disc Golf Championships. They want to see Disc Golf grow in popularity and increase the number of players worldwide.

Please help support the companies that help to support Disc Golf!!!!!!!!!!

I am looking into buying a pair of these but I did have one question: are these built more like a tennis shoe or a boot? All the pictures I have seen make it hard to tell.

I am looking into buying a pair of these but I did have one question: are these built more like a tennis shoe or a boot? All the pictures I have seen make it hard to tell.

They are first off considered a Trail Shoe, a great combination of a rugged outdoor shoe that is light weight and waterproof.

So not so much a boot at all, more like a all-terrain shoe that is great for Disc Golf.

I might wait until the MCIVER comes out.

If I didn't just buy new shoes I would definately give them a try. Give it a few months and I will probably check them out. How long have you had yours and how is the soul holding up? I have found that trail running shoes work best for me while playing. Lightweight and sturdy, most of the time. The only problems I have had inthe past with them is the soul blowing out or just being worn down to a flat slick soul on my plant foot.

Will they come in a wide width?

I might wait until the MCIVER comes out.

If I didn't just buy new shoes I would definately give them a try. Give it a few months and I will probably check them out. How long have you had yours and how is the soul holding up? I have found that trail running shoes work best for me while playing. Lightweight and sturdy, most of the time. The only problems I have had inthe past with them is the soul blowing out or just being worn down to a flat slick soul on my plant foot.

The soles of these are holding up just fine, the front edge comes up to form the toe cap which is very resilient to any type of peeling. These are especially lightweight and rugged enough to handle any terrain. The wearing of sole bottoms is typical with any shoe used for disc golf but these still have amazing grip, even in the rain.

Keep in mind, that these are first off a Trail Shoe. Once these have been successful on the market, then some real R & D can be put into the shoe market to design a shoe specifically molded and constructed for Disc Golf.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that one of the few ways into getting corporate sponsors for our sport is with the help of other corporations by getting a Disc Golf product in Outdoor Stores Nationwide. When these shoes sell through their initial run, more will be made and distributed throughout many large retails stores which in turn will get us lots more exposure. Retailers and consumers alike will be then exposed to a Disc Golf product and inquiring to what our sport is all about.

We are on the brink of something very huge for our sport.

Looks great! Is there a plan for a high-top boot?

Until then my Merril Legacy GTX will have to do.

These look really nice. The price is actually lower than I expected. I'm assuming the KEEN DRY membrane works as well as GORTEX? Does the bonding between materials stand up to the rigors of disc golf toe dragging and pivoting? I'll definitely be picking up a pair for this year's wet season.

Is there anywhere we can see reviews by some of the testers?

The only thing that will stop me from trying these is the widths. I am a Size 9 4E so let us know what your plans are for wide widths.

Outdoor Stores Nationwide


is this a regional chain or a local store?

The only thing that will stop me from trying these is the widths. I am a Size 9 4E so let us know what your plans are for wide widths.


I think Keens typically run wide. I have more narrow feet, and had trouble with that brand a couple years ago when auditioning new shoes.

These look really nice. The price is actually lower than I expected. I'm assuming the KEEN DRY membrane works as well as GORTEX? Does the bonding between materials stand up to the rigors of disc golf toe dragging and pivoting? I'll definitely be picking up a pair for this year's wet season.

Is there anywhere we can see reviews by some of the testers?

I have a diff pair of KEENs and the Keen Dry system works great as good as gortex and not has hot on the warmer days lets your feet breathe better IMO

Yes I would buy them.. I tried, but they only have a 7.5 size... Really?

-Chris

Yes I would buy them.. I tried, but they only have a 7.5 size... Really?

-Chris

Avery's first post said they would be available on Nov 20th - so maybe that's when they will list all the sizes, and maybe 7&1/2 is just a place holder for the link for now.

Avery's first post said they would be available on Nov 20th - so maybe that's when they will list all the sizes, and maybe 7&1/2 is just a place holder for the link for now.

KEEN will have around 200 pairs in all sizes from 7.5 - 14.

So order your's early!!!!!!!

Hey Av, Are these mids or lows??? I've been looking for good solid waterproof lows.

Hey Av, Are these mids or lows??? I've been looking for good solid waterproof lows.


They look like a Low but little higher than KEENS usuall Low

Hey Av, Are these mids or lows??? I've been looking for good solid waterproof lows.

They are only available in the Low model for now, but possibly a higher model soon to come after they sell through the initial run.

Once KEEN notices the demand for such Disc Golf shoes, then more will be made in various models if the demand for those is high enough as well.

ive always wondered if a disc golf shoe company could think outside the box and design a tread for disc golf. all shoe treads are designed for walking, running and hiking...not for our patented spin release from a drive on a tee box. what if a shoe designed a tread with the twist of a discgolfers release in mind???? if anything its my idea for a disc golf shoe.

We are on the brink of something very huge for our sport.
Disc golf has been "on the brink" forever. (then again, forever for me dates back only four years lol)


Avery do you know if they have anyone testing them that has issues with dragging their foot on the follow through? I need to know if the shoe can hold up on both sides along the metatarsals.

This sport is only 35 years old. of course its on the brink still. Its still very new

Keith,

I hear what you're saying, but understand that there may be a couple of things "logistically" to work through that may not be easy / practical.

1. If you place a "spin" area where we may spin - such as on a rotational shot put / hammer / discus shoe (in track & field) - it would be "good" only for rubber / cement tees...as that same spin area might be greased lightning when throwing off of wet grass, etc.

2. If that spin-sole area is only on 1 shoe, you'd have to buy "right-footed pairs" or "left-footed pairs"...something (making TWO different sets of shoes) the shoe company probably wouldn't be up for.

3. If you put the spin area on BOTH shoes, see 1. above.

Just some thoughts...not saying it couldn't be done....

Karl

Is this the same "on the brink" that we got from Solomon? Seems to me this is good for disc golf, great for touring players that need free shoes.

Keith,

I hear what you're saying, but understand that there may be a couple of things "logistically" to work through that may not be easy / practical.

1. If you place a "spin" area where we may spin - such as on a rotational shot put / hammer / discus shoe (in track & field) - it would be "good" only for rubber / cement tees...as that same spin area might be greased lightning when throwing off of wet grass, etc.

2. If that spin-sole area is only on 1 shoe, you'd have to buy "right-footed pairs" or "left-footed pairs"...something (making TWO different sets of shoes) the shoe company probably wouldn't be up for.

3. If you put the spin area on BOTH shoes, see 1. above.

Just some thoughts...not saying it couldn't be done....

Karl


I throw backhand and sidearm, and spin areas would be great to have on both soles. however, i agree having a flat area of rubber would create a possibility of becoming slick.

who knows, one day you may have slip on rubber soles for teeing off. kinda of like the slip on metal studs for walking on ice that fit over the toe and heel of your shoes.

[QUOTE=Karl;1401657]Keith,

I hear what you're saying, but understand that there may be a couple of things "logistically" to work through that may not be easy / practical.

1. If you place a "spin" area where we may spin - such as on a rotational shot put / hammer / discus shoe (in track & field) - it would be "good" only for rubber / cement tees...as that same spin area might be greased lightning when throwing off of wet grass, etc.

2. If that spin-sole area is only on 1 shoe, you'd have to buy "right-footed pairs" or "left-footed pairs"...something (making TWO different sets of shoes) the shoe company probably wouldn't be up for.


Yes and No. But your missing my point. Most people, manufacturers don't think Outside the box. I know I work for a manufacture. I would like to see a Disc Golf shoe not be a hiking shoe or a running shoe...but a "DiscGolf" shoe. the tread doesn't have to spin, yes i have thought of that. but the tread can be designed for our spin. it can still be a good walker , but have tread design for our patented disc golf tee off spin.
and when the grass is wet we normally switch shoes anyways for that round. like cleats or something for wet grass.
and yes for a disc golf manufacturer a shoe could be designed for left and right feet. it would totally make sense to have right foot treads and left foot treads. thats my point stop thinking inside the traditional box (this slows progression) in all of life, to think in little box conservative ideas of cant's and wont's. start thinking creative. DiscGolf is not normal. stop thinking normal. There are sports that shoes are different from left to right. It would be totally do-able to have a tread for spin on the right and a good traction normal tread on my left shoe. This is a very minor obstacle for a manufacture to create a Disc Golf only shoe. Whats the point of a Disc Golf shoe if its not actually any better for Disc Golf than any normal hiking shoe.

Look at Ball Golf cleats, football cleats, soccer cleats, bicycle shoes, mountain climbing shoes, they all are unique to there sport.
This is my vision for a Disc Golf shoe, unique to promote our sport. Progress our sport. Promote good foot work for our game. ??? does that not make sense?

Keith,

You may think I'm arguing with you (I'm not) - taking the "other side" of the discussion, but a few things.

# 1

You said:

"Look at Ball Golf cleats, football cleats, soccer cleats, bicycle shoes, mountain climbing shoes, they all are unique to there sport."

Now while your statement is true, have you really looked at the sports which you've stated here. Every one is done while on ONE substrate! Golf = grass. Football = grass OR synthetic turf (but never both at the same time). Soccer = same as football. Bicycle = clip a/o clip-less pedals (can't do both at the same time). Mountain climbing = rock (and if you're doing ice or 'mixed' you'd put on crampons).
DG is different! We have to be able to "handle" both grass AND rubber / concrete. Because of this, what we wear will never be perfect for all scenarios.

# 2

I never said the 'tread has to spin' (and, by the way, the T&F shoes I mentioned DON'T have tread that spin, they have tread that allows for 'spinning'...but they aren't used on grass).

# 3

You also stated:

"This is a very minor obstacle for a manufacture to create a Disc Golf only shoe."

I'm guessing that you don't work closely enough with either finance nor with R&D - because if you did, you'd know that unless a company can see PROFIT at the end of the tunnel, the "very minor obstacle" - no matter HOW minor - isn't worth it.

Bottom line:

You may have some good ideas but in today's business environment, if you want something made commercially, you had better make it 'worth their while' or you're not getting your wish.

Karl

no i understand, i appreciate what your saying. And yes I have played all the sports I listed and have worn all types of these shoes..
Soccer has grass cleats, indoor treads and wet weather treads.
football has grass, and turf.
Bicycle has clip in and clip ins that you can run in for iron man triathlon events.

I guess my point is that I just want to see, or design myself a disc golf shoe that actually is tread designed for what we do. not walking not running but twisting and teeing off and planting foot for drives. in grass, concrete and or rubber. I believe it can be done. I just keep seeing very general hiking type treads and these all wear down real quick with what we do. if we had a designed tread for or throw I think it would help and golfers would rep it. Is there a big mass market..well of course not. thats the entire "hold back" for our corporate progression sponsorship. if we had a big market we would have alot more sponsorship for our sport. So im glad to see a shoe for us and i realize its a slow steady progression.

Avery do you know if they have anyone testing them that has issues with dragging their foot on the follow through? I need to know if the shoe can hold up on both sides along the metatarsals.

Always the first place to fail for me. But I haven't tried KEEN yet. No matter how much I spend on North Face, Merrell, or Salomon, they all fail within 3 months. I'd really like to see some reviews from disc golfers.

Is this the same "on the brink" that we got from Solomon? Seems to me this is good for disc golf, great for touring players that need free shoes.

First off, the only thing that we ever got from Salomon was just product. They supported us but did not support the sport. Not a good mix.

On the other hand, Keen makes superior products and not only supports us but the sport as well. Like I said they sponsor the biggest tournaments in our sport and have plans to sponsor more in 2010 granted that they see support and a market in Disc Golf.

Will they be releasing more of the MILOS anytime soon I see all they have are size 7.5? Sorry if you have answered this all ready A.J. I love my KEENS and would really like to get my hands on these to show them support for getting involed with our sport

ive always wondered if a disc golf shoe company could think outside the box and design a tread for disc golf. all shoe treads are designed for walking, running and hiking...not for our patented spin release from a drive on a tee box. what if a shoe designed a tread with the twist of a discgolfers release in mind???? if anything its my idea for a disc golf shoe.

Keith,

I hear what you're saying, but understand that there may be a couple of things "logistically" to work through that may not be easy / practical.

1. If you place a "spin" area where we may spin - such as on a rotational shot put / hammer / discus shoe (in track & field) - it would be "good" only for rubber / cement tees...as that same spin area might be greased lightning when throwing off of wet grass, etc.

2. If that spin-sole area is only on 1 shoe, you'd have to buy "right-footed pairs" or "left-footed pairs"...something (making TWO different sets of shoes) the shoe company probably wouldn't be up for.

3. If you put the spin area on BOTH shoes, see 1. above.

Just some thoughts...not saying it couldn't be done....

Karl


What you both have to keep in mind is that it takes $150,000+ to make such a Disc Golf shoe from the ground up with such specifications. It takes slightly less then that to take an existing shoe and make such changes to the grip and reinforcements to the upper.

But the research and development will take place in designing such a shoe when Keen realizes that there is a sustainable market in Disc Golf.

Support the companies that support Disc Golf and this will happen.

Will they be releasing more of the MILOS anytime soon I see all they have are size 7.5? Sorry if you have answered this all ready A.J. I love my KEENS and would really like to get my hands on these to show them support for getting involed with our sport

No Worries, but like I said before - They release on November 20th.

Until then, they just show the first size available. They will have 1500 for sale on that date and will make more when the initial run is sold out.

So lets sell through these before Christmas and request that they make more.

THEY ARE AVAILABLE NOW (TODAY 18TH NOV) i just ordered mine. the customer service lady said there are 500 pairs only. This is a one time run she said. maybe a sales ploy, but i still ordered mine. 5-7 days baby

THEY ARE AVAILABLE NOW (TODAY 18TH NOV) i just ordered mine. the customer service lady said there are 500 pairs only. This is a one time run she said. maybe a sales ploy, but i still ordered mine. 5-7 days baby

Received my Milos on 11/09/09, they rock !!! They are so comfortable and lite in weight. So long Merrells...........

I should find out how they feel in 5-7 days

how do keen shoes run size wize??? are they a narrow or wide standard? i cant find a sizing chart on their site.

About Med. I wear size 10 and my feet are narrow I bought 2 pairs of Keens Now and got size 10s with no prob.

is the toe box area loose or tight?
during a long round of golf my feet tend to swell at the lower joints of the toes.
i have found that boots with a more squared toe are more long time comfortable.
the merrels i have are usually comfortable during the morning rounds then i have to loosen the laces during the afternoon rounds.

is the toe box area loose or tight?
during a long round of golf my feet tend to swell at the lower joints of the toes.
i have found that boots with a more squared toe are more long time comfortable.
the merrels i have are usually comfortable during the morning rounds then i have to loosen the laces during the afternoon rounds.

keens have a deep, wide toe box. roomier than the merrell chameleons i have as far as toes are concerned. waiting for some reviews of these milos as peoples' orders start to trickle in over the next few weeks. :)

I'll give you mine in 3-5 business days

Under activities on the specs page it says Trail Running and Hiking. What about DISC GOLF? Isn't that what Keen is touting that it is for on the description page? I own a pair of Keen's that I really like so don't get me wrong, but the marketing department dropped the ball on this one. If you are going to market to it than really commit to it.

I got mine today and have worn them around town the last 4 hours and they are super comfy. The heels are a little loose, but once I got my orthotic insoles in, they are great. Also, they are grey, not white.

I have been wearing my hiking shoes when I DG. They are low-tops and they are light weight. I have never had a problem with them.

Although...$110 is a really good price for a hiking shoe. I'd like to hear how they work out.

Received my Milos on 11/09/09, they rock !!! They are so comfortable and lite in weight. So long Merrells...........

I'd hang on to those merrells. I got these today and am less than impressed with the soles. The sole at the heel area, which is always a spot that wears out frist and sometimes will come detached from the bottom of the shoe, is only about an 1/8 of an inch thick. I fully expect this to be the first part that fails and tears off. This is same area that failed on my last set of keens.

That said they are very comfortable. Let's hope they hold up.

watching with anticipation.... and waiting on some high tops....

I like mine a lot so far. I've got 8 or so rounds in with them. The keen dry works very well. Great traction on wet/dry pads and grass. No wear showing so far either.

Has anyone who has these had the area where the black and grey meet show any signs of bleeding? I wore mine twice and the black area is bleeding into the grey area. It looks really unsightly and I'm thinking of sending them back but I want to know if its just my pair of an issue with the shoe in general.

I had my Salomons sole blow out after 3 months and I returned them to REI but decided on a new jacket instead of another pair of shoes that might last another few months. I have a hard time with any shoe that has a 2 piece sole. I am greatful for REI's return policy. I am going to support keen on this one but am very concerned with the soles. How has this part of the shoe held up through field testing?

Anybody know keens return policy?

Read here for returns/exchanges
http://www.keenfootwear.com/custserv_returns.aspx?section=ReturnPolicy

I had my Salomons sole blow out after 3 months and I returned them to REI but decided on a new jacket instead of another pair of shoes that might last another few months. I have a hard time with any shoe that has a 2 piece sole. I am greatful for REI's return policy. I am going to support keen on this one but am very concerned with the soles. How has this part of the shoe held up through field testing?


I contacted them regarding my issue and they immediaetly emailed me a pre-paid return label. I am going to exchaneg in hopes it was a one time thing.

I went ahead and upgraded to the Black Obsidian's after seeing a pair of new Milos that had already blown out.

I went ahead and upgraded to the Black Obsidian's after seeing a pair of new Milos that had already blown out.

That's what I'm afraid of. One piece sole people, one piece sole.

That's what I'm afraid of. One piece sole people, one piece sole.

Like I said before:

Keep in mind, that these are first off a Trail Shoe. Once these have been successful on the market, then some real R & D can be put into the shoe market to design a shoe specifically molded and constructed for Disc Golf.

One piece soles are essential for our sport, I totally agree with you on that because we have already discussed that among other features that the next Disc Golf shoe should have.

Support Keen Footwear!!!

Support Keen Footwear!!!

I think it's awesome that Keen has the guts to produce a shoe and call it a disc golf shoe.

There's a reason I'm waiting for reviews from people who have the money to buy these without knowing if they're worth the money. I have gambled away money before trying the new North Face, new Merrell, or the new Salomons, I just can't do it anymore. I've got a shoe graveyard full of shoes with the soles hanging off.

I just want people who are playing in them regularly to post updates. If there's nothing wrong with them, perfect! I'll buy a pair and convince my buddies to try them out too. If there are problems with sole separation, leaking, or color bleeding, I think we should pass the feedback along and hopefully Keen will correct the issues on their next release.

Maybe I should make the purchase, and if the shoe falls apart, I could consider it a donation in hopes that Keen makes a better shoe later. I wonder how many others are willing to do that.

I contacted them regarding my issue and they immediaetly emailed me a pre-paid return label. I am going to exchaneg in hopes it was a one time thing.

I have the same thing on mine

Based on that I am going to tell them to just refund my cash. I am going to get the mid merrells.

http://www.merrell.com/US/en-us/Product.mvc.aspx/M-F-F/12005M/0/Gender-Gallery-Root/Men/Footwear/Filters/Mens/Moab-Ventilator-Mid

If the Milo doesn't work for you, buy some other Keens, don't get your $ back. they went out on a limb, and we need to put our $ where our mouth is and help them. they have other shoes, low, mid, and hi, that work great for golf. Even if the new "golf" shoe is not perfect, buying another of their products and giving them positive and negative feedback would be the best way to get them (and other companies) to support our sport. give them the benefit of the doubt. I would never say this about a Nike ball-golf shoe or whatever, but disc golf as an industry needs our support. I will gladly pay Keen for a pair of "discgolf" shoes, even if they wear out quicker, rather than give my $ to another company that does not even have discgolf on their radar.

There's a reason I'm waiting for reviews from people who have the money to buy these without knowing if they're worth the money. I have gambled away money before trying the new North Face, new Merrell, or the new Salomons, I just can't do it anymore. I've got a shoe graveyard full of shoes with the soles hanging off.


I've got some sitting under the christmas tree(wasn't suppose to see the box before it got wrapped, but UPS delivered it to me instead of my wife)....Once I get a few rounds in on them, I'll post some feedback. I've had a pair of bites that I've been wearing now for over 2 years, they have been great. Hope the Keens do as well!

If the Milo doesn't work for you, buy some other Keens, don't get your $ back. they went out on a limb, and we need to put our $ where our mouth is and help them. they have other shoes, low, mid, and hi, that work great for golf. Even if the new "golf" shoe is not perfect, buying another of their products and giving them positive and negative feedback would be the best way to get them (and other companies) to support our sport. give them the benefit of the doubt. I would never say this about a Nike ball-golf shoe or whatever, but disc golf as an industry needs our support. I will gladly pay Keen for a pair of "discgolf" shoes, even if they wear out quicker, rather than give my $ to another company that does not even have discgolf on their radar.

I totally disagree. They don't even have disc golf listed on their website as an activity for this shoe. Why support a company that doesn't provide a quality product. I've had 2 paris of keens now and have had issues with both. I have had merrells without issue. Support goes to merrell. Of course its nice to have a company support disc golf but its more important to have a quality shoe.

I have had my milos since christmas and I wasn't too sure about them right away. After a bit of wear they have grown on me. I have played with my shoes untied so the loose ankle doesn't bother me too much. I tighten them down near the toes and keep them kind of loose up top. They are pretty comfy for me. So far they have kept my toes dry but I haven't soaked them yet. They did bleed a bit and I am sure that it will only get worse but big deal, they are for function not fashion. I am afraid the sole is going to blow out because it is two pieces but it seems sturdy enough.

Anybody on the fence I would recommend you give them a try. The pros of keen's continued support of disc golf far outway the cons of their first attempt in my opinion. Check 'em out.

dgdave may have the best idea, Orthotics! Buy some good soles that are fit to your feet and just put them in lower priced shoes. They all wear out. Just remember to pull out the insole that comes in the new shoes, especially when trying them on.

Has anyone who has these had the area where the black and grey meet show any signs of bleeding? I wore mine twice and the black area is bleeding into the grey area. It looks really unsightly and I'm thinking of sending them back but I want to know if its just my pair of an issue with the shoe in general.

Well I've now worn my new Milos twice and am already having the same bleeding issues. What really kind of stinks about it is. The 2 rounds I have played in them have been pretty dry, not even a lot of dew on the grass, but they are still bleeding. So far it's pretty minor, but the thing I am wondering is: What's going to happen when they actually get wet? I have a feeling they will really start bleeding then.

As far as the comfort of them, I do like them. I also like the grip, so far I've played on flypads and natural tees. I've been in Bites for the last 3 years and have really liked them. They lasted a long time and a lot of rounds, and have been very cool to wear during the hot West Texas summers. That is one of the reasons I went away from Merrel, they are just so hot.

As it is, think I'll give them another round or 2 to see how much bleeding happens. If it gets worse I'll have to send them back, and probably won't get any more since I doubt they have done their second run yet to try to correct the problem? If these were like $50 shoes I wouldn't worry so much about the bleeding, but since they are $100+ they should no have these issues, or any issues for that matter!

I totally disagree. They don't even have disc golf listed on their website as an activity for this shoe. Why support a company that doesn't provide a quality product. I've had 2 paris of keens now and have had issues with both. I have had merrells without issue. Support goes to merrell. Of course its nice to have a company support disc golf but its more important to have a quality shoe.

At these prices, I agree with You.

the color bleeding really bothers you guys? why? does it affect the performance?

the color bleeding really bothers you guys? why? does it affect the performance?

Doubtful, but theres nothing wrong being disapointed in a pair of 120$ shoes that bleed. I can go to K Mart and get a pair for $25 that wont do that. The sad thing is they would probably hold up just as long as any of these 100$ + pair. Including Merrells, which I love and own several pairs of.

Walmart Kmart shoes are not nearly as good for your body though the $100 shoes are made to support your feet and body from feet to head If your feet are outta line so is the rest of your body. I use to buy the cheap shoes and my lower back would hate me after a day of golf. So I find dropping $100 on shoes well worth it. Bleeding on the Milos shouldn't happen and would upset me. Get ahold of Keen and Im sure they will correct your issue. DON'T GIVE UP ON THEM YET

Has anyone who has these had the area where the black and grey meet show any signs of bleeding? I wore mine twice and the black area is bleeding into the grey area. It looks really unsightly and I'm thinking of sending them back but I want to know if its just my pair of an issue with the shoe in general.

I've had the same problem...

Over all so far it is a great product. Good grip and fill great.

Walmart Kmart shoes are not nearly as good for your body though the $100 shoes are made to support your feet and body from feet to head If your feet are outta line so is the rest of your body. I use to buy the cheap shoes and my lower back would hate me after a day of golf. So I find dropping $100 on shoes well worth it. Bleeding on the Milos shouldn't happen and would upset me. Get ahold of Keen and Im sure they will correct your issue. DON'T GIVE UP ON THEM YET

For me its actually the opposite. Im not giving up on them, just waiting for a better release.

the color bleeding really bothers you guys? why? does it affect the performance?
Yes, I'm kind of funny that way I guess. When I pay $120 for a product I expect it to look good and work. Plus if it bleeds after only wearing it twice that doesn't give me much confidence in the craftsmenship and quality of the product. I've had quality issues with Keens in the past too so for me this isn't a one time thing.

the color bleeding really bothers you guys? why? does it affect the performance?

If I had paid $40 for these I wouldn't mind the bleeding because I am getting what I paid for, but for $120 yeah it does kind of bother me. No it might not affect the performance, but after only wearing them for 36 holes of dry DG I don't think they should be doing this with the price tag. You don't see Merrils, or any other high priced shoes doing this, why should we just accept it with these "just becuase they may support DG" in the furture? I'm not hung up on looks, but if they will start to bleed after 2 rounds of dryness, what happens when it's actually dewie, or even raining? Will they just turn black?

If you bought a $50 T-shirt and the ink started cracking off of it after a couple of washings, would you be happy with that and just accept it becuse it still functions like a t-shirt? I highly doubt it. (you can insert any item you want here, I print T-shirts so it was an easy one for me to compare)

I don't own a pair of Milo's but I did get a pair of Black Obsidian's for Christmas. Too bad they were a tad small. I've been reading comments about Keen not putting disc golf on their website.. I'll agree to support any company that tailors to disc golf if I feel the product is worth it. I think it's great that some of these larger companies are getting involved with the sport !!

When I purchase golf shoes they are for function not fashion. Maybe its me but if my feet are warm, dry, comfortable, and not slipping while I take a shot I feel cool. Whether the shoe I am wearing has a bit of discoloration if it enhances the possibility of making my game a bit easier who cares what they look like. My Milos have kept my feet more dry and comfortable than any merrel, solomon, northface, nike, or asics i have owned. I was skeptical before wearing them around but am now a believer and hope keen continues to support our sport.

The have disc baskets on them, if they bleed they still have that going for them. Buy some milos and love it!

KEEN does have disc golf on their website specifically touting the Milo is geared toward outdoor pursuits like disc golf! If we want more from them, we need to support them.

Those of you that have criticism and complaints are all very warranted. Shoes are expensive and they should be worth the cost. This critical feedback is crucial for anybody to improve their product or service.

That being said, I have several pairs of KEEN shoes and sandals and have been extremely satisfied with them all. My sandals will be going on year three of daily summer wear. I currently am wearing a pair of the Wasatch, the precursor to the Milo. I average one to three pairs of shoes a year no matter what brand they are. That is the type of sport we pursue. We put an amazing amount of torsion on the balls and heels of our shoes. That is why the Bite shoes held up fairly well. They were built like tanks. I never bought them because of the bulk and weight of them. My throws and stamina really improved when I started wearing trail running shoes. Lightweight and good traction. The trade-off is less durability. A trade I think is well worth how my feet feel at the end of the day.

Bottom line is the Milo's start to blend this difficult meld of lightweight to durability. If we support the effort currently made to attract us and give them a satisfactory head count, the company has stated they will pursue tweaking this shoe to address our concerns. KEEN is currently testing our market. Don't let folks warranted issues detract you from trying the Milos yourselves. We all have different feet, body and throwing styles. These shoes may be perfect for you, they are close for me.

Plus, KEEN stands behind everything they make. Read up on their history, this is one American Company I am extremely proud to have backing our sport!

Plus, KEEN stands behind everything they make. Read up on their history, this is one American Company I am extremely proud to have backing our sport!


Can't argue there. I called and told them about my problem and they quickly sent me prepaid postage to return for another pair or for a refund. I could probably live with the bleeding but I also didn't care for the soles. I wish they where vibram soles. If they where I would have stuck it out as those are really the only soles I can find to last longer than 3-4 months given that I play 3-5 times a week. I will admit they are VERY comfortable. I got my money back and will just wait for the next release that doesn't bleed. :D.

yeah...they say on the site that it takes 3 weeks for the refund to process.... I sent mine back after Christmas... I'm pretty sure they're doing a lot of fitting returns. Still haven't received my refund yet.. I've been waiting 3 weeks to start wearing some real shoes. I'm tired of my old new balances and tee pad slippage. I'll probably call them on Friday to see what's up.

:D I can't wait though!!! :D

yeah...they say on the site that it takes 3 weeks for the refund to process.... I sent mine back after Christmas... I'm pretty sure they're doing a lot of fitting returns. Still haven't received my refund yet.. I've been waiting 3 weeks to start wearing some real shoes. I'm tired of my old new balances and tee pad slippage. I'll probably call them on Friday to see what's up.

:D I can't wait though!!! :D
Got the obsidians and they rule was out the other day 40 degrees 2.5 feet of packed snow and gators dry all day LOVE EM

yeah!.. Received my refund just yesterday and already have another pair coming. You can find them pretty cheap on Altec, Zappos, or REI. like $80 compared to $125 on their site.

Can't wait for them to get here.

when i was a triathelete i would buy a new pair of shoes about every 500 miles.
the shoe may look good enough to wear at the end of 500 miles however the protection for the athelete begins to detiorate dramatically .
when disc golfing we walk alot and turn alot and stop alot and drag alot all in some pretty severe enviroments.
if a shoe last 6 months it is a dinosaur .
the shoe may appear good but is the protection that is engineered into the shoe still intact after 100 rounds???
i would assess that as an equivelent time to wear (taking into account the tourain and elements) as my expensive training shoes.

when i was a triathelete i would buy a new pair of shoes about every 500 miles.
the shoe may look good enough to wear at the end of 500 miles however the protection for the athelete begins to detiorate dramatically .
when disc golfing we walk alot and turn alot and stop alot and drag alot all in some pretty severe enviroments.
if a shoe last 6 months it is a dinosaur .
the shoe may appear good but is the protection that is engineered into the shoe still intact after 100 rounds???
i would assess that as an equivelent time to wear (taking into account the tourain and elements) as my expensive training shoes.

I disagree you running on concrete for 500 miles is alot differnet than Discgolfers walking in the woods. I have had a pair of Keens for 2 1/2 years and played countless rounds of golf in them and my feet are still just as happy as the day I bought them. Granted shoes do get beat up and others put different stress on them but I will still wear my Targas this summer.
On another note changing the inserts every so often is a huge help.

My sandals will be going on year three of daily summer wear.

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I throw side-arm and as a result I shread the toes of all my shoes on my right foot due to dragging it behind me. Other people I know have the same problem. Are the reinforced toes of these shoes better for this? $110 is alot of money to spend if I'm just gonna ruin them quickly....any impute would be great

I throw side-arm and as a result I shread the toes of all my shoes on my right foot due to dragging it behind me. Other people I know have the same problem. Are the reinforced toes of these shoes better for this? $110 is alot of money to spend if I'm just gonna ruin them quickly....any impute would be great

Get some shoe goo or shoe sole something like that and coat the toe where you rip it up. A friend of mine had the same issue he'd go through 2-4 pairs a season. He got some of that stuff and has been in the same merrells for 3 years now

i 2nd the shoe goo story.... i have 2 shoes that have shoe goo on them from the start and they have held up their end for more than a year now...

There are still cobblers in this world, and, if you find one in your city, for a few bucks he or she can glue more of that black rubbery sole stuff where you have worn down your shoes from teeing off. They do a great job of making the shoes new again.

Here is a cobbler in Minneapolis: Fast Eddie (http://www.fasteddiesshoerepair.com/)

I am actually glad that a manufacturer is making shoes aimed at the disc golfers. That's a good step for our sport. The more successful Keen Milos are, the more likely other disc golf shoes will come along.

I bought a pair of Keen Milo's because I feel it's important to support companies that support disc golf. I'd never seen them up close, but just ordered a pair off their website. After getting them and holding them up close, I don't even think I will play in them. It looks to me like the soles will tear very quickly from the bottom of the shoe...plus I've been hearing reports of this as well.

I think Keen could be on to something, but they need more market research to see what golfers really need/want in a shoe. I'll be sticking with my Merrell Chameleons for now.

I've gotten a total of about 30-40 rounds with mine and the upper on both is ripping and the sole is showing noticable wear on both aand is falling off on the right one. I have already put in for a warranty replacement.

From all reports I've heard the Milo is not a great disc golf shoe, but the Keen Targhee II is the best one I've ever used, and this is my 31st season... Simply the best disc golf shoe ever, in my opinion. With a reinforced toe for you sidearmers...

The obsidians Roc as well

The obsidians Roc as well


I am happy with my Obsidians too!

FWIW I only use them in tournaments and have only had them since the end of December.

Obsidians are awesome! For you guys with narrower feet they fit way better than the Targhee.

I wore the Targhee's for 1 season, and only switched because my fore-foot was sliding around too much in the toe box. Solid shoe no doubt.

No sole issues yet with the obsidians, (and I have torn apart a pair of salomons in 2 rounds before) nice smaller reinforced toe, solid platform.

Few of the guys here up north have got the Milos ... mixed reviews to say the least.

I just sent my Obsidian WP's out a couple weeks ago back to Altrec. The right heel blew out in them within two months. I didn't like the sythetic..sort a smell the black shoes had either. Especially when left in the car. I'll be either trying something with solid Vibram soles or ...those Timberland Inferno's. They look pretty cool. I don't know though.. soles look pretty cheap. I really need to start lifting my feet.
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I throw side-arm and as a result I shread the toes of all my shoes on my right foot due to dragging it behind me. Other people I know have the same problem. Are the reinforced toes of these shoes better for this? $110 is alot of money to spend if I'm just gonna ruin them quickly....any impute would be great

I know they are heavy but maybe start wearing steel toed boots. My buddy has the same issue but he wears those and just keeps on kicking.

I had a pair of GoreTex Tims and they started leaking and tearing within 2 months. Not very comfy either.

Thanks Dave, That's all I needed to hear. They do look cool though. I'll stick to a Vibram sole.

Wore my Milo's the week leading up to Glass Blown, and through that tournament. The bottom is starting to peel away, as I suspected they would. I thought the waterproofing was good.

I'm dissapointed they are tearing up after 1 weekend tournament.