In 2009 SADC will be starting an initiative to actively work with local municipalities on the installation of a new disc golf course. I�ll use this thread to post information on the progress, solicit feedback from club members, and to ask for help. We�ll need a lot of help with this project. If you are interested in helping please email [email protected]

More details to follow.

Could this include "adopting" area courses that might not have a local club to actively maintain it, for example, Bandera?

(If anybody from Bandera reads this, this is not an insult but an attempt to help out, if needed.) :)

Could this include "adopting" area courses that might not have a local club to actively maintain it, for example, Bandera?

(If anybody from Bandera reads this, this is not an insult but an attempt to help out, if needed.) :)


Good question Corey. I think that will be outside the scope of this initiative. This initiative is focused on bring in new course(s). With that said, what good are courses if they are not maintained. SADC is always willing to help out with any course maintenance within the San Antonio Metro Area. I'd consider Bandera as part of that. Would you be up for spearheading an effort to bring Bandera into the fold as a course SADC assists with Maintenance? If so drop me a PM. I've got some ideas on how to proceed.

How's our progress looking for the new course?

How's our progress looking for the new course?



Good. I have a financial plan in place. This plan includes information on Club revenue proejctions (all of which go to this initiative) and preliminary costs to install a course. This is a multi-year plan but so far through 2009 we are on target. After the next two tournaments (THC Throwdown & TACO) are complete I'll have a very clear picture of where we are in relation to the plan.

What can you do to help?
The idea behind this project is to install a course in an already established park. This elimintes much of the costs of developing the park to suuport disc golf and gets it down to the core elements (Baskets, tee pads, etc.). This has been a successful approach used wtih other municipalities. With that said we need a list of parks that can reasonably handle disc golf given their existing infrastructure (parking, access, rest rooms, water, etc.). Does anyone have thoughts on this topic?

McAlister Park could probably handle more than one course. It's a well established park with plenty of parking and bathrooms, easy access, water. There is so much land there that could be used.

Good idea Jay. I love that park. Joe M also told me the city is interested in putting a course in each quadrant of the city. The NE, NW, & SW all have courses. What about some parks in the SE part of the city?

Southside Lions Park, Braunig Lake Park both have lakes while Southside Lions has both a lake and a creek.

You could also look at Comanche Park and Covington Park, both are primarily east side and if my memory serves me right both are county parks. The plus side of a county park, Tommy Atkinson is involved in the Crescent Bend Project.

Southside Lions looks sweet!

Southside Lions Park, Braunig Lake Park both have lakes while Southside Lions has both a lake and a creek.



I grew up about a mile from South Side Lions park. My parents still live there. We used to play basketball, baseball, tennis, ride bikes, skateboard (and some extra-legal activities, too) all over that place.
Lots of land, elevation changes, a lake, etc. It would be a great place for a course.

I almost forgot the haunted cemetery on the backside of the park.
We could have a Halloween night glow mini there! :D

by any chance is there a letter that we can give to companies willing to donate money or services to our club that will let them know what we are all about?

Yes. Let's talk on Saturday.

Woohooo, the wheels are turnin' baby!!!!

How about a bridge on 18?

How NOT to cross 18. (http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff31/grog_photo/?action=view&current=0402091838.flv)

(Taken with a camera phone, low quality but funny!)

Greg, is that hole 18 at McClain? That's funny. I saw Jeff Gerboth take quite a spill during the mini there last weekend.

Yep! 18 at McClain.

A word of advice, whenever attempting to do something with a questionable outcome make sure Brian is not around with his phone. I don't know about everyone else but I do enough stupid sh*t with out having it recorded for posterity. :D

Hey Scott, I know you are the front runner on this project for SADC and have a question. Jerry Hearn introduced me someone who is running for a city position in Converse, TX. He was interested in maybe trying to get a course in Converse. I told him about our 4 year plan to get a course paid for and installed by our club. Are we looking for land in San Antonio only? I was thinking of also looking at these surrounding areas: Boerne, Selma, Shertz, Converse, etc: What do you think?

My preference is to keep it in San Antonio but I am open to investing in any community that is willing to get a course in. Of course we'll need to get input from the rest of the club members.

FYI ... I'll provide a full accounting of our status after TACO.

Great News SADC

Thanks to your generousity and participation in minis, tournaments, and other club functions we have raised 33% of the total estimated amount needed for all phases of the SADC New Course Initiative!!! The amount needed includes the funds required for baskets and concrete tee pads.

Phase 1 of the plan calls for not using concrete tee pads and only installing tee signs, baskets, course design, clearing, & installation. We have rasied 47.5% of the funds needed for phase 1!!!

We are way ahead of schedule.

I am estimating that by the time the Bryan McClain Open is over we'll be close to 60% of way towards getting baskets in the ground and playable course.

We need to refine the process of picking park locations. I'll try to plan a get together at my house to review potential parks soon (within the next 3 months). I'm asking anyone who has ideas on potential parks to go scope them out, take notes, and prepare information for presentation on this meeting. Things are getting serious now!!!!

Speaking of "meetings". I have kind of been out of the loop the past 6 months because of my work schedule. I now am working 1st shift and have weekends off so I can focus more on our club. I will schedule a Club Meeting soon. Check back here for details.

My preference is to keep it in San Antonio but I am open to investing in any community that is willing to get a course in. Of course we'll need to get input from the rest of the club members.

I would agree with that preference to keep it in SA. I also feel we shouldn't turn down opportunities to help get courses in the surrounding areas. Maybe we can allocate some limited portion of the funds to help with those efforts if the local powers-that-be are really committed.

On a tangent, I received a phone call from a guy named Don from the Southwest Research Institute. He got my name and number from the PDGA page for Nani. He said that SWRI was interested in installing a course on their grounds ala USAA. I spent about 15 minutes talking with him about disc golf in general and issues relating to course development (that I knew of, anyway), the local disk golf clubs, local courses, etc. and he seemed very interested. I told him the club would probably be happy to help with course design and installation (I hope I didn't speak out of turn there); maybe we can trade such assistance for the ability of club members to use the course. Anyway, he mentioned possibly meeting me at a course to walk it and ask questions and I told him I and/or someone from the club would be glad to do that. He hasn't called me about that, yet.

I am available weekdays after 1:30 PM to meet with him if you need me to. They have some really great land for a course. Everytime I went there I would picture fairways and baskets.:) Would make for a really good course.

If/when I hear from him, I'll let you know.

Is the entrance to SWRI gated, like USAA, or can you drive onto the grounds unmolested?

If/when I hear from him, I'll let you know.

Is the entrance to SWRI gated, like USAA, or can you drive onto the grounds unmolested?

It is not gated and the guard has never stopped me when driving in but I was in a VIA truck.

The SADC New Course Initiative is already paying dividends. Members of the SADC Executive Council has been working with the Helotes Mayor & Parks Department on the possible installation of new courses in Helotes. The Mayor wants to install a 9 hole pitch and putt (really it will be a putt and putt) course into a small park. If that works out OK there is the potential for at least one additional 18 hole championship caliber course to be installed in a large recreation area (I think it is called Iron Horse Canyon, hundreds of acres).

To help convince the City Council to get on board with the Mayor's vision ... SADC, in collaboration with the Helotes Mayor, will be putting on a free mini at the potential site of the putt and putt course on Sunday August 9th. We are still working on on the details so they'll be posted later but this much I know ...
1) it will be free
2) there will be prizes
3) this is your chance to show Helotes that disc golf is here in the area
4) this is your chance to do your part of the SA disc Golf scene

The mayor has asked us to set up the 9 hole course at the park. I have 4 baskets. We'll need club members to committ to bringing the other 5 baskets. Between all of us that shouldn't be an issue. If you can bring a basket post that info here, email me ([email protected]), or call me (210) 896-9498.

Warning
I don't want people to get too hyped about this first course. It is only on 3 acres. It will be like an ace race course and is being designed for extreme beginners (people who have never played before). That said, if this goes well there is a real possibility of getting a really nice course with multiple pins and tee positions in that city too!

More details to come ...

This is great news for all of us. Helotes Parks and Recreation would like us to look at the proposed design of the course because one citizen had concerns. Here is what was said at their July 9th meeting:

"CITIZENS TO BE HEARD - The only speaker was Linda Montemayor. She requested that the agenda item on the disc golf course proposed for the Helotes Natural Area at Parrigin and FM 1560 be pulled until the Parks and Recreation Committee has time to consider it and make recommendations to Council. She has concerns about the parking situation, the likelihood of discs ending up hitting cars on Parrigin and/or FM 1560, etc. She doesn’t think this is the right area for a disc golf course."

Corey P. can you please PM me your phone number?

Lets get as many Disc Golfers out to the mini in Helotes on 8-9-09.:)

This is great news for all of us. Helotes Parks and Recreation would like us to look at the proposed design of the course because one citizen had concerns. Here is what was said at their July 9th meeting:

"CITIZENS TO BE HEARD - The only speaker was Linda Montemayor. She requested that the agenda item on the disc golf course proposed for the Helotes Natural Area at Parrigin and FM 1560 be pulled until the Parks and Recreation Committee has time to consider it and make recommendations to Council. She has concerns about the parking situation, the likelihood of discs ending up hitting cars on Parrigin and/or FM 1560, etc. She doesn�t think this is the right area for a disc golf course."

Corey P. can you please PM me your phone number?

Lets get as many Disc Golfers out to the mini in Helotes on 8-9-09.:)

She actually has a ligitimate point. When I walked the course with the mayor I had the same concerns. This will really have to be a pitch and putt course to avoid that being an issue.

Bird, you have a pm.

There's an article in Wednesday's Express-News in the weekly Northwest insert on the second page about the possibility of disc golf courses in Helotes. Linda Montemayor's concerns are quoted as are comments from other city officials. Some comments were voicing concerns similar to Montemayor's but one guy (don't remember the name now) was enthusiastic about the idea. I'll bring the article to Saturday morning's mini for any who want to see it.

This mini on the 9th will be a chance for disc golfers to shine as assets to the community. I propose we have a gathering before the mini (maybe the morning of) to do a trash pickup of the course area. If we can leave the park better looking after we use it, that will reflect positively on disc golfers in general and the use of Helotes parks for courses in general. If you have any other ideas about how we can put our best foot forward, please suggest them.

Just in case you're wondering, I live in Helotes so I am very interested in this opportunity. I will be walking the Helotes park(s) this weekend to get an idea of how courses would work and any general concerns similar to the ones already voiced.
If anyone is interested in joining me, let me know here or at Satuday's mini.

I have a proposed course layout from the mayor if you are interested that Corey. I made some comments. I'll email it to you.

Regarding the park, there is nothing there today except a few trees and 2-4 benches.

I really like your idea of showing the community that DG is an asset but I don't remember there being any trash in the park. Maybe there is something else we can do. Any Ideas?

What about the other park, Iron Horse, is it?
Maybe there's something there we can do.
I intend to go look at this park, too, this weekend.

The proposed course layout would be good to see.

Check this article out ...
http://www.mysanantonio.com/community/Disc_golf_proposed_for_Parrigin_park_area.html

I have a proposed course layout from the mayor if you are interested that Corey. I made some comments. I'll email it to you.

Can I get that layout? I was hoping to go walk the land today after work.
I'll pm my email to you.

I attended the meeting of the Helotes Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee last night. This committee has no power other than to make suggestions to the Mayor and City Council. The Mayor attended as an observer.

I think the meeting went OK.
They were mainly concerned with safety, parking, and liability issues.

For safety, I told them that the small size of the park and the close proximity of FM 1560 on one side and a private residence on the other were significant issues. I also suggested that a good course design would greatly reduce these issues by routing the holes in a circular fashion (echoing Scott's idea from a letter or email to the committee) and by having the tee boxes around the perimeter of the park and the baskets in the interior so that throws were going from the edge of the park into the park and away from the surrounding streets and houses.

For parking, I told them that they were unlikely to ever have more than a handful of cars at the park at any one time because it's too small to have a tournament or league at. They estimated themselves that there was room for about 15 parking spaces. This didn't seem to be a major issue for them.

As for liability, I told them that no matter how we mitigate the situation, there will be instances where a disc might go out into the street possibly causing an accident of various types or a disc might hit someone causing injury. I also suggested that the park rules should specify that only putters be used to reduce the distance a disc could be thrown thus reducing the chances one would end up in the street or in the neighbors backyard and the amount of damage it would do if someone got hit.

Overall, the advisory committee seemed iffy about the idea of a disc golf course at the park (which will be called Helotes Natural Area eventually). The Mayor, though, seemed pretty interested and he has the power (so to speak).

One other thing of note is that an item was put on the next meeting's agenda to look into the possibility of buying the piece of property adjoining the park; this would roughly triple the size of the park. One of the committee members said she heard a rumor that the property was for sale. However, I talked to the property owner Sunday afternoon for about 20 minutes and he didn't give any indication of a desire to sell the property. In fact, he told me he was thinking about building a retirement home and a workshop for his metal and wood-working tools and machines on the property. But, you know, money (and eminent domain) talks.

I think Scott's caution to not get too hyped about the possible course at this park is well-founded. The installation of a course is far from certain and even if it goes in the ground, it won't be a very interesting course to play. I think the best we can hope for this effort is that we would get a beginner's putter course that will generate enough interest in the area to build a full size course on some other property in the Helotes area.

And, in case you're wondering, citizens of Helotes are "Helotions".

Hey Corey thanks for attending the meeting. Your right maybe it will draw something bigger and better if it gets in the ground.

The following is from the Helotes ...

YOU ARE INVITED
TO THE
HELOTES NATURAL AREA

Hello!

Mayor Tom Schoolcraft requests your attendance on Sunday, August 9, 2009 at 10 a.m. at the Helotes Natural Area (Parrigin & F.M. 1560) for a fun-filled day of disc golf, refreshments, and spirited competition!

The San Antonio Disc Club has generously offered to design a temporary disc golf range and provide disc golf baskets for the event. Mayor Schoolcraft hopes to address any questions or concerns regarding the installation of a permanent disc golf course at the Helotes Natural Area, including precautions needed to protect surrounding homeowners, pedestrians, and motorists.

Please RSVP to Grace Tamez, City Secretary, by Thursday, August 6, 2009. Ms. Tamez may be reached by phone at 210.695.8877, Ext. 4, or by email at [email protected]

Refreshments will be served!

JC, you have a pm.

Corey

If you are planning to attend this and have a basket ... please bring it and arrive at 9:30 AM at the park. Don't forget we'll have prizes and refreshments out there!

everybody bring your good attitudes and be on your best behaviors! wish i could be there will be in Cali bummer , if you need my baskets Scott give me a call will be leaving but can give you combo for gate send me a text

Alot of the baskets we use for these occasions are going to be in New Braunfels at the League Party Saturday I believe. I think they usually set up a course out there. I am not for sure if I can make it out there but I will let you know and I can bring a basket.

If I had a choice I'd choose another date the doesn't conflict with the party but the Mayor is kind of running the show here so we are just going with what he wants.

I'll be there with a basket.

Great turnout this weekend. We had 9 baskets out there (thanks to all who brought one) and the city council memebers had a blast playing. We even had some people who live near the park come out and play. We really represented disc golf well! There is a vote on the course at this Thursday city council meeting.

That small area would be great for what they are wanting to do there, bring in the elementary and middle schoolers.

And I still have an unmarked disc that was found out there so if anyone discovers that they are missing one let me know. Otherwise the next time it gets lost it will have my mark on it.:rolleyes:

That small area would be great for what they are wanting to do there, bring in the elementary and middle schoolers.

And I still have an unmarked disc that was found out there so if anyone discovers that they are missing one let me know. Otherwise the next time it gets lost it will have my mark on it.:rolleyes:

Is it a Gateway Apache with a 2009 Worlds stamp on it?

No, not a Gateway.

No, not a Gateway.
Well what is it?

A putter.

A putter.

Oh yeah that is mine too :)

Just kidding.

Don't forget if you are in Helotes and are board on thursday the council is voting on the course at around 7:30.

Oh yeah that is mine too :)

Just kidding.

Don't forget if you are in Helotes and are board on thursday the council is voting on the course at around 7:30.


Well it's mine now! :eek:

It's strange no one claimed it, if you hear from anyone let me know otherwise I'm gonna mark it myself in a few weeks.

From the amount of enthusiasm we saw Sunday I think the wilderness area is a gimme, but it could be a critical step in developing the larger area discussed.

From the amount of enthusiasm we saw Sunday I think the wilderness area is a gimme, but it could be a critical step in developing the larger area discussed.

I think so too.....THEY WERE SO HOOKED!!!! They were ready to play another 9 holes. I heard them saying "I'm voting YES". I'm glad I was able to attend and see that excitement....reminded me of my first day playing.:D

Just talked to the Mayor of Helotes, the city council approved the 9 holes course. Installation will begin soon. I'll let you all know when and where so we can help out!

Just talked to the Mayor of Helotes, the city council approved the 9 holes course. Installation will begin soon. I'll let you all know when and where so we can help out!

Always good to hear! :)

How's it goin guys? I'm super excited about the new course approval. I wish I could have made the mini on the 9th. I was on the road driving back from Minnesota at the time. I drive right past the area on 1560 twice a day going back and forth from work.

Where exactly is the proposed area in proximity to Parrigan and 1560? I know it's a small area, but haven't figured out if it is on the East/West side of 1560. Let me know if you need any help with getting things ready. I can be there within 10 minutes!

If you've taken a left onto 1560 off of north bound Bandera Rd/Tx16, the park is the small field on your right at the t-intersection of 1560 and Parrigan.

It's small but you can't miss it.:D

Sounds good Corey. That's kind of what I thought, just wasn't 100% sure. Thanks man.

Just talked to the Mayor of Helotes, the city council approved the 9 holes course. Installation will begin soon. I'll let you all know when and where so we can help out!

Sometime in the last 3 or 4 weeks, the 9 baskets were installed at the "Helotes Natural Area and Disc Golf Course" property. The layout is the same as the mini that was played there back on August 6, 2009. The tee pads consist of red spray paint markings. Hopefully, they'll add something a little more substantial in the near future.

Regardless, the course is open for play.

Bring your putters - and ONLY your putters - and practice your short game. It's also a great place to introduce newbies to the game (and rehab after knee surgery). I took my neighbor and a friend out there earlier this evening and putted my way carefully through the 9 holes.

Come on out and play!

JC,

I know you're kinda busy now but any updates on the SADC New Course Initiative?

JC,

I know you're kinda busy now but any updates on the SADC New Course Initiative?

This are going good. I can't give a full financial report until after the Fly Ink but needless to say we are ahead of schedule and have the funds needed to purchase the baskets. I've still been talking with SAPAR and we have indentified some potential parks within san antonio.

This are going good. I can't give a full financial report until after the Fly Ink but needless to say we are ahead of schedule and have the funds needed to purchase the baskets. I've still been talking with SAPAR and we have indentified some potential parks within san antonio.

If you were at the End of Year SADC Meeting....you heard about the New Course Initiative almost becoming a reality. The Mayor of Helotes has been working with SADC on a potential Championship Caliber Disc Golf Course to be paid for, designed, and installed by San Antonio Disc Club. This is a great piece of land and has the potential to be one of the best courses in Texas. Stay tuned for more details. When you become a Member of SADC...you help bring NEW courses to the San Antonio area. New Memberships will be available on 1-26-11 at the SADC Ice Bowl....$10.:)

If you were at the End of Year SADC Meeting....you heard about the New Course Initiative almost becoming a reality. The Mayor of Helotes has been working with SADC on a potential Championship Caliber Disc Golf Course to be paid for, designed, and installed by San Antonio Disc Club. This is a great piece of land and has the potential to be one of the best courses in Texas. Stay tuned for more details. When you become a Member of SADC...you help bring NEW courses to the San Antonio area. New Memberships will be available on 1-26-11 at the SADC Ice Bowl....$10.:)

I'm glad you posted this Bird. I missed the meeting but wanted to ask what was happening with the N.C.I.

Will this effect the $'s for the McClain project? Or is SAP&R's $ being spent?

I'm glad you posted this Bird. I missed the meeting but wanted to ask what was happening with the N.C.I.

Will this effect the $'s for the McClain project? Or is SAP&R's $ being spent?

No SADC money spent on that. All SAPAR.

No SADC money spent on that. All SAPAR.

Nicely done!

Greetings All,

The San Antonio River Authority is installing a new course in the area. I've been working with them for several months now and we're at the point where they'd like some feedback / design help. If you are intersted in helping and are free on Feb 21st contact me.

Count me in.

Me too!!!:D

Sweet! Bus leaves at 7:00 AM from downtown. Hit my cell for details.

The council also voted to apply for a state-funded, $500,000 grant to develop the Iron Horse Canyon Natural Area into an 18-hole, championship disc golf course, public trails, a pavilion and other amenities. No citizens attended the meeting to speak for or against the project.

The city would use $250,000 or less from its general fund to match the state grant, City Administrator Rick Schroder said.

Schoolcraft said he's heard from several residents interested in the future of the city-owned land, and he added that the disc golf course could host tournaments and lure sales tax revenue.

The discussion came minutes after the council agreed with him on limiting city departments' spending to 94 percent of their current budget. Requests to spend more than that would require council approval.

�We just got done talking about not spending more than 94 percent, and yet all of a sudden we have $250,000 to spend on (the development). Where is that money coming from?� said Councilwoman Cynthia Massey.

Councilman Gary Johnson, who lives in the area that would be developed, asked for �a heads-up on big-ticket items� presented to the council for consideration. He also worried that the area does not have enough access for parking and bathrooms.

Schroder said the plans are preliminary and that an architect will be used to address any access issues. Schoolcraft said he doesn't anticipate the need for a lot of parking unless a tournament is ongoing.

�Do we want to commit $250,000 on some land that we already own?� Johnson said, adding that he wondered how the state could afford to offer the grant.

�We are not committing to that yet.�If we don't get (the grant), we'll back up and look at a different process,� Schoolcraft said before the measure passed unanimously.



Read more: http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/article/Helotes-wrapping-uppolice-chief-interviews-1036800.php#ixzz1FXnDHXq3

[QUOTE=JerryChesterson;1450284]The council also voted to apply for a state-funded, $500,000 grant to develop the Iron Horse Canyon Natural Area into an 18-hole, championship disc golf course, public trails, a pavilion and other amenities. No citizens attended the meeting to speak for or against the project.

Thanks Scott! I want to play Iron Horse!!!:D

Sweet!

Scott, Where is this park going to be?

Scott, Where is this park going to be?

Iron Horse Canyon Natural Area

Iron Horse Canyon Natural Area

Check it:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/san-antonio/159541-iron-horse-canyon-city-park.html

Some of the locals are already against the idea of a disc golf course on that land.

Check it:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/san-antonio/159541-iron-horse-canyon-city-park.html

Some of the locals are already against the idea of a disc golf course on that land.

Google maps location:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=14712+Iron+Horse+Way+78023&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=14712+Iron+Horse+Way,+Helotes,+TX+78023&gl=us&ei=C8RxTeTQKIyr8AaWvN3wDg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ8gEwAA

http://www.helotes.govoffice2.com/vertical/Sites/%7BD1ADF741-406C-40AB-B878-56509A67CE28%7D/uploads/%7B0BFA820E-6084-48E9-9B64-83059D32286B%7D.PDF

http://www.helotes.govoffice2.com/vertical/Sites/%7BD1ADF741-406C-40AB-B878-56509A67CE28%7D/uploads/%7B0BFA820E-6084-48E9-9B64-83059D32286B%7D.PDF

We should all try and attend and be positive.

We should all try and attend and be positive.

Agreed. Your the profesional looking one in the bunch... You sit up front;)

Iron Horse Canyon Natural Area is DEAD in the WATER. I would say that there is about a 2 % chance that it will happen and a lesser chance that a park at Iron Horse Canyon will be built.

The proposal for the grant included, walking trails, pavilions, restrooms, picnic areas and the disc golf course.

Disc Golf was called everything from disc golf to frisbee golf, hulahoop golf and even clown golf. The meeting was very negative and at points became very ugly. Mayor Schoolcraft was very professional and kept his cool.

I will agree that the proposal of the park was ill perceived and could have been better planned, that is probably what killed it in the first place. The council will discuss the grant proposal again at their next meeting.

Just some imput from the meeting from my perspective.

Coach, thanks for attending the meeting and for the update.
Did anyone besides the mayor say anything in favor of the proposal?

On the bright side, the Live Oak Economic Development Corporation (EDC) voted unanimously to approve $10,000 expenditure to go to the Live Oak course redesign. The next step is for the full LO city council to approve it; it looks good, at this point.

Let me clarify something, I was asked about this earlier in a private message...

The park as a whole I believe was ill conceived, not the disc golf course. After some discussion, the disc golf course was not the main problem, the park as a whole was. Parking was going to be a major issue along with where the restrooms were being located. Both of these were to close to the housing and then there was the access which was going to be through the neighborhood streets.

I think that if there was going to be an access point to the park that was by itself and not near the houses and parking and restrooms were also located away from the houses, then there might have been a different outcome of the meeting. I believe that the homeowner association was by far, more against the park as a whole then just the disc golf course.

Hope that clarifies what i said earlier.

well if they dont grant a park I hope those homeowners get a nice shiny shopping mall!;)

I think that if there was going to be an access point to the park that was by itself and not near the houses and parking and restrooms were also located away from the houses, then there might have been a different outcome of the meeting. I believe that the homeowner association was by far, more against the park as a whole then just the disc golf course.


Those are interesting points. If/when we get asked for input about a new proposal or repackaging of the current porposal, this should be included.

FYI, McClain is getting all new tee signs!!! Check facebook for details. Please don't vandalize them with your name or the time you aced the hole.

I'm not 100% exactly sure how this works, but the grant application has already been sent to the state and Helotes City Council already voted, unanimously, for the city's matching funds. If the state grants the funds, the money can't be used for anything else. I guess they could revoke the application and repeal the original City Council vote, but I don't think that will happen.

I don't have time to look into this further now, but I'm thinking this is closer to "done deal" than "dead in the water."

I'm not 100% exactly sure how this works, but the grant application has already been sent to the state and Helotes City Council already voted, unanimously, for the city's matching funds. If the state grants the funds, the money can't be used for anything else. I guess they could revoke the application and repeal the original City Council vote, but I don't think that will happen.

I don't have time to look into this further now, but I'm thinking this is closer to "done deal" than "dead in the water."

Good point. The homeowners already had their opportunity to weigh in on the topic and that time has passed. There was no one at those meetings. I think is was more of a let the home owners speak their mind and proceed in time.