Hi everyone, Im traveling form Lansing MI to New York NY and was hoping for some suggestions of courses to play in central Penn. I plan to play Nockamixon in Quakertown. Any other suggestions?

Jeremy,

Hopefully you realize that this is the Pittsburgh Flying Disc Society forum in western Pennsylvania. Central Pennsylvania is at least 3 hours east of the city, with Nockamixon in eastern Pennsylvania a full 5 hours east of Pittsburgh!

If you click on my profile you'll find a link to my homepage which has a full description almost every course in the entire state of PA. It may give you a good idea of which are the "must-play" courses you'll want to hit on the way to New York. :cool:

Hi Jeremy,

As he posted above, Jeff's course reveiw web site is a great resource for travelers through the Keystone state (and the mid-Atlantic, in general). If you have the opportunity to play in western PA, the Pittsburgh region has three world-class courses to choose from:

Knob Hill Community Park, Warrendale, PA
Deer Lakes Park, Russellton, PA
Moraine State Park, Portersville, PA

Both Deer Lakes and Moraine are modern day course designs with multiple par 4s and par 5s.....course par is 66 for both courses. Knob Hill par varies from 54 to 61 depending on tee and pin location. Visit our web site http://pfds.org/ to download maps and scorecards which will help you navigate the course(s). Lastly, the IUP College Lodge course in Indiana, PA (approximately 70 miles NE of Pittsburgh) is a beautiful and challenging par 59/61 layout that winds up, down and around some rather large ski slopes. The 735' downhill hole 18 might just be the most fun disc golf hole in the entire state. Maps and scorecards for all of our courses can be downloaded at the Pittsburgh Flying Disc Society web site. Good luck in your travels! <font color="white"> </font>

61 for IUP?? J GAry is crazy.

Long to long I would say Hole 1 is a 4, hole 4 is a 4, hole 7 a 4, hole 12, hole 14 hole 18. Par 60 at best for the longest possible layout. and then short pins, you could say that 1 and 14 are both par 3's. So really a par 58 for long tees to short pins.

What do you all think?

Let's start with hole #1. In B pin from white tee you're looking at 519' and 615' from the blue tee. That IMO is a par 4, with OB left the entire way.

Hole #4 in B-Pin from both tees is a par 4. That's one of the steepest greens I�ve seen. And I think Gotcha said the same thing, he's played a lot more courses than I have. In A-pin it's a ? par 4. Probably should be a par 3.5.

Hole #7 I agree, from white tee it�s a easy par three, as long as you can throw straight. Blue tee it changes to a par 4 from white. With the pin in B sleeve it�s again a par 4 from both tees.

Hole #12 from white to B-pin is 395�, from Blue to B-pin is 462�. From White to A pin it�s 397� and from Blue to A pin it�s 465�. And since I�ve never really looked at these measurements before I just realized that this is WRONG. White to A pin can�t be longer than White to B pin.

Hole #14 I agree with Jeff. White to A is a par 3. All other configurations it�s a par 4.

Hole #16 Blue to B or A pin I think is a par 4. White tee to A or B pins it�s a Par 3.

Hole #18 Par 4. No questions asked. I only know 2 people who deuced it. Gotcha almost being the third but tanked it.

White to A pin � Par 57
White to B pin � Par 60
Blue to A pin � Par 61
Blue to B pin � Par 61

If I had known then what I know now , the pins would not be set so as to change the par when moving from A to B locations (holes 1&amp;14).

What you aren't talking about in your descriptions of what par should be is the skill level of player. White tees are rated at 900, Blue tees at 950. Theoretically, a 950 rated player should shoot 59 from the Blue tees to A pins and 61 from Blue tees to B pins (hole 1 and 14 B pins change the par on those holes). A 950 player should shoot 5 strokes better from the White tees than s/he would from the Blue tees to the same pin locations.

It's not perfect, and we are trying to adjust some of the pin and tee locations to dial it in. For example, Michael D moved #5 B pin to keep the hole a par 3 with a chance for duece (no 2s were recorded on the B pin in its original position in 2007). The pin for #14 needs to be moved farther up the hill to make the hole truly play as a par 5.

What I've learned is to make the pin locations close enough to each other to keep the green consistent, and vary the tee locations to make the challenge of par consistent for players who are within about 5 strokes of each other over the course of 18 hole round.

Let's design courses with one par and set the tees for the skill level of the players.

oh yeah J Gary is also the best person in Pittsburgh Disc Golf EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IUP is Awesome as is Knob and everything else you have ever been a part of.

I'm just saying....61 is a bit high :)