Alcohol is allowed in certain San Antonio Parks. Some of them have Golf Courses in them. Should we Disc Golfers petition the city to allow alcoholic beverages in our parks that have Disc Golf Courses in them?

Just be discrete and it is easily a non-issue for the most part. Some fool tipping up a bottle without a care in the world is an issue. I got nabbed for that in Oklahoma once, the officer said he'd have let me go if I had a can that was covered.

There are alot of fools tipping up the bottle out there.

Considering the proximity of McClain to a school, I doubt this will get much positive response.

Is the course open during school hours?

The golf courses have a permit from the TABC.

I would suggest that we not hinder a good thing right now. Maybe this can be an issue in the future, but let's establish a good raport with the city first and show them that we are here to stay and willing to help in ways that foreign to them. Remember, it has taken many many years fro SAPAR to put disc golf back into parks. They are new to this and we have to help them grow as they help us grow.

As for McClain and the school. Even if the city said yes to alcohol, the school would say no because it is not only their rule but a state law and there is no lee way there and we use their parking lot.

If NEISD police was to come out to the park and witness anybody with alcohol, then they would have the right to search you vehicle if it is in their parking lot, because of the reason of probable cause.

Lets be careful.

That is why I do not park on the school.

To clarify Paul's golf course statement. The golf courses have licenses from TABC to sell. No outside alcohol can be brought onto the property. Likewise, all alcohol bought on the property must be consumed on the property.

McClain is a bad place to start this push because of the school proximity. The school complicates matters since it is a drug/alcohol-free zone. All it would take is a couple cans/bottles found by an administrator or parent and the course would be in serious jeopardy.

What is the general SAPRD rule towards alcohol in public parks? If it's allowed, then it should be allowed on DG courses (aside from situations like McClain, I would assume).

There should be no problems with Alcohol, if its not allowed then dont bring it out there. People have work for years to get this course in all we need is for one person that think they can get away with it and that will ruining it for the rest of us

That is why I do not park on the school.



From Jerry:
Be careful - Be Very Careful. The park police have been patroling the park. They said it is illegal to park off the pavement.



i know that I have done this before, so I guess I will stop.

I say from now on we all need to be on our best behavior.

Here's the dilema. Technically we are not supposed to park on the schoold grounds and the park has no paved parking lot.

There is no sign stating you can't drive down or park in that area.

Here's the dilema. Technically we are not supposed to park on the schoold grounds and the park has no paved parking lot.

There is no sign stating you can't drive down or park in that area.



Is that just during school days? Or everyday? Usually, if it's a public school, it's ok to park in the school lot (especially if the school has a playground) during non-school days/hours.

And it looks like this needs fixed with SAPRD before anything else.


In the "how this affects me" category: Where do people park during the mini? Need to know for this Saturday. :)

Here's the dilema. Technically we are not supposed to park on the schoold grounds and the park has no paved parking lot.

There is no sign stating you can't drive down or park in that area.



Is that just during school days? Or everyday? Usually, if it's a public school, it's ok to park in the school lot (especially if the school has a playground) during non-school days/hours.

And it looks like this needs fixed with SAPRD before anything else.


In the "how this affects me" category: Where do people park during the mini? Need to know for this Saturday. :)



People park in the school lot and on the unpaved road that leads to the park. If you are unfamilar with the park, park at the school. See you this Saturday.

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HMMM that's a new one for me a Park that has No Parking Go Figure :confused:

Here's the dilema. Technically we are not supposed to park on the schoold grounds and the park has no paved parking lot.

There is no sign stating you can't drive down or park in that area.



Is that just during school days? Or everyday? Usually, if it's a public school, it's ok to park in the school lot (especially if the school has a playground) during non-school days/hours.

And it looks like this needs fixed with SAPRD before anything else.


In the "how this affects me" category: Where do people park during the mini? Need to know for this Saturday. :)



I think your right Tony because there is a Tournement to be there soon which should draw about 100 people or more.

Here's the dilema. Technically we are not supposed to park on the schoold grounds and the park has no paved parking lot.

There is no sign stating you can't drive down or park in that area.



There is an agreement with the city and the school for the parking lot to be used by both. NEISD was just trying to CYA about the insurance when we had the Ice Bowl. The school parking lot is for both facilities. The school has first priority when they have an activity going on, but otherwise it is for both.

This is from the school administration.

Thanks Paul for the INFO

I was at the course yesterday and spoke with the Seargent of the San Antonio Parks and Rec Department. I was parked in my usual spot in the grass. After we spoke it seems that he was open to making the grass an official parking spot for many of the reasons that have already been mentioned. I had my dogs with me and told him that was also why I parked there. He informed me that signage will be posted very soon that there will be no bottles or alcohol allowed in the park.
Dr. Safety

Where to start? I know they would NEVER allow us to have an alcohol permit for McClain because of the school. We cannot keep everyone from drinking out there. It is going to happen and there are going to be cans and bottles left out there. It's not just us playing the course.

Paul, when I spoke to the Vice Principal about the parking, she had no problem with us parking there. She referred me to NEISD Admin and they want $5.00 an hour if we use their parking lot. You have to fill out a rental agreement and someone also has to live in the school district. I am going to email SAPAR explaining the parking situation and see if they can put a lot in for the park or let us park on the grass.

So what does everyone think about removing the trash bags and cans we have put on the course?

Ahh! The joys of living in Switzerland. I can't believe you even have to have discussions about alcohol in public parks. I think there would be riots here if they tried to ban drinking in parks!

Paul, when I spoke to the Vice Principal about the parking, she had no problem with us parking there. She referred me to NEISD Admin and they want $5.00 an hour if we use their parking lot. You have to fill out a rental agreement and someone also has to live in the school district



Sorry, NEISD cannot stop us from using the parking lot, even if they didn't have an agreement with the city. Tax payer money payed for the parking lot. I have fought this battle before when I was a coach and I was on the side of the school. a judge ruled against the district. The only reason a school can actually lock the doors of a school after school is out is for security reasons. Everything that a school district has is payed for by tax payers and is for general use of tax payers. That is why it is called a PUBLIC school. The school district can ask for money if school personnel are involved in an activity that requires us to have them available, but otherwise, any and all outside school equipment or facilities are available for public use. NEISD should not ask us to pay from something that the public owns.

Switzer Dan - go back to your own thread on Bible discussion and ....

It's always the uncouth punks that are the problem. It's unfair for sure. You've got to keep your nose clean and clean up after them. Just a little odd you posted that poll and then seemed to be a little upset that the discussion went the way it did.



Dan:
America is the Land of the Free (but don't do that, or that, or that...) and Home of the Brave (as long as you can do it anonymously or in a large angry mob) :)

Sorry Tony, I didn't start the poll neither did I vote on it.

I have lived in towns that allow alcohol and towns that have not. It really does not bother me which way the law goes.

San Antonio is now geting involved in disc golf and that is a fight that many of us have been fighting for a long time. I just don't want to have to take two steps back when we have made so many positive steps forward.

I believe that Live Oak has the same rules about their park and even UC. I do not care if you drink or not in the city park, I choose not to, but if you want to then go ahead, just be ready to face the consequences if caught.

I was replying to Bird. Just pointing out that all disc golfers get grouped together. We've fought similar battles in Houston a few times (and typically we've lost).

It's always the uncouth punks that are the problem. It's unfair for sure. You've got to keep your nose clean and clean up after them. Just a little odd you posted that poll and then seemed to be a little upset that the discussion went the way it did.



Upset? Nah...I think it is an interesting thread. I enjoy having a couple of cold ones at times when I play. I just wanted to hear what others felt and what others have heard. Just like the thing with the school parking...Free or $5.00 an hour? Unfortunately, you are correct we ALL get grouped together. So it takes only 1 to screw it up and we really can't control that.

I'm interested in seeing what the outcome of the poll will be. If favored and if the battle comes down to it, then we have something and support to present a case, or not, if we wanted something like this approved. Can't hurt. I'm certainly not going to provoke a battle. I too like having the occasional beverage or 2 but, I will certainly be discrete and take responsibility for my own actions. I too don't want to red flag disc golfers as irresponsible park users. So pack it in and pack it out but, most importantly be courteous ;) Admit to nothing.......if evidence isn't on your person :D

Admit to nothing.......if evidence isn't on your person :D



...and never volunteer for anything. Oh sorry, Army flashback. :D

...and never volunteer for anything. Oh sorry, Army flashback. :D



You can volunteer, or be volun-told... your choice.

Just wanted to comment on the poll. I voted "no", but not because I think it gives us a bad image. I just don't feel this is anything to get riled up about at this time. Maybe down the line when there are possibly more courses, and these courses are proving to be a great addition to the communities they are in (and they will), then it might be worth trying to get alchohol allowed at some of these parks.


On a side note, it'll be a little weird telling people they can't enjoy a nice cold Bud after turning in their cards at the "Budweiser Open". :eek:

On a side note, it'll be a little weird telling people they can't enjoy a nice cold Bud after turning in their cards at the "Budweiser Open". :eek:



That's why the headquarters will be at an adjecent park that has a pavillion and therefore we can get a beer permit. Ice Cold Bud Over HERE!

On a side note, it'll be a little weird telling people they can't enjoy a nice cold Bud after turning in their cards at the "Budweiser Open". :eek:



That's why the headquarters will be at an adjecent park that has a pavillion and therefore we can get a beer permit. Ice Cold Bud Over HERE!



We might need to check on that. I know there is a law about alcohol or drugs within a certain distance from a school and the two parks are between two schools.

Here is the Texas Law:

According to Texas state law, everywhere within 1,000 feet of a school constitutes a "drug-free zone." Anyone convicted of selling or possessing drugs within such a zone is subject to an enhanced sentence--a five-year mandatory minimum over and above the sentence imposed for the original offense.

Ouch West Guth is attached to a school as well. 1000' is basically all the way back to the feeder road and possibly to the highway.

Here is the Texas Law:

According to Texas state law, everywhere within 1,000 feet of a school constitutes a "drug-free zone." Anyone convicted of selling or possessing drugs within such a zone is subject to an enhanced sentence--a five-year mandatory minimum over and above the sentence imposed for the original offense.



Well, luckily it isn't that kind of "Bud" Open. :p Did you find anything out about whether or not you can have alcohol if you have rented out the pavillion that Jerry is talking about?

Here is the Texas Law:

According to Texas state law, everywhere within 1,000 feet of a school constitutes a "drug-free zone." Anyone convicted of selling or possessing drugs within such a zone is subject to an enhanced sentence--a five-year mandatory minimum over and above the sentence imposed for the original offense.



Well, luckily it isn't that kind of "Bud" Open. :p Did you find anything out about whether or not you can have alcohol if you have rented out the pavillion that Jerry is talking about?



All SA Parks w/ Pavillions can be rented with a beer permit ... except McClain ... it isn't in the system yet.

(while tenting fingers and in my best Mr Burns voice) Excellent. :)

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