Post your thoughts on life or disc golf and I will comment.

Ask me questions.

Do whatever.

I just need a thread, so here it is.

1) Didn't you get a degree in Communications or Journalism? Are you working in a field related to your degree?

2) Do you remember meeting me?

what is MTL? you can PM me if need be cuz I have some ideas... ;)

BS Degree in Communications with a focus in broadcast journalism from East Carolina University.

Nope, not working in the field. Had a few job offers out of college, one in Montana and one locally, but decided to just get a M-F 9 - 5 job so I could continue to play disc golf on the weekends. I work for a bank now and process 2nd mortgage loans.

And no I don't remember meeting you, but I'm sure it was at World Doubles.

MTL stands for Mount Leonard. I have a rather large cranium and Mount Leonard is my dome piece.

And no I don't remember meeting you,


Sniff :(

but I'm sure it was at World Doubles.



No, it wasn't there - it was on neutral ground - neither TX nor NC. Here's a hint - it was NNE of TX and WNW of NC.

ask him where he met me

where did he meet you?

lol... I want him to answer. I want to see if he remembers.

And no I don't remember meeting you,


Sniff :(

but I'm sure it was at World Doubles.



No, it wasn't there - it was on neutral ground - neither TX nor NC. Here's a hint - it was NNE of TX and WNW of NC.



Wow, I really have no idea then. I guess it would have to be at worlds, either Iowa or Wisconsin, but I honestly don't remember

ask him where he met me



I know this one!!

Right across the street from Lake Ulmstead at 06 worlds in the 105 degree laundry mat!

We washed underwear together!!

Robert, Where did I meet Jeannie?

Robert, Where did I meet Jeannie?



My guess would be at some cold yankee disc golf tournament that Brinster won by 20.

by 20...not anymore...that was years ago.

Maybe they met years ago?

I know that laundry mate....I did some drowers there

Robert - ask Doot where he met me. I'm clueless ;) I probably should have stayed home that day though ;)

That place was hot as crap.

We met some guy in there and started talking disc golf with him and I gave him a disc. He wanted our signatures on them and then he asked if we had ever won a tournament or something.

I said "well I won this small tournament [it was a B Tier] a few years back"

He says "man, write that on there so I can show my friends who I met [like I'm some big dog or something]"

*sign my name on the disc and write 2005 Crooked Creek Classic Champion*

Then he looks at JJ and asks the same.

JJ says "I won the amatuer world championships in 2004"

The guy says "man that is much better than that small creek tournament you won"

Robert - ask Doot where he met me.



Hey Doot, where did you neet Jeannie?

Jeannie, why are you clueless?

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Now is good

do you carry all white discs and a white bag?

I do use all white discs. However, when playing around water I sometimes used colored discs.

My bag is black.

Why do you use all white discs? Is there a reason?

do you wish you were Hawkgammon?

Why do you use all white discs? Is there a reason?



are you racist?

Why do you use all white discs? Is there a reason?



When I was in college, I wanna say sophomore year maybe, I started improving rapidly. However, my game suddenly fell a part except my putting.

My putter was white and the only disc in my bag I liked and trusted.

So I went out and bought every disc in my bag in a white version (well except a blue CE leopard which I lost not long afterwards).

I seemed to immediatly get out of my funk and I supersticiously credited it to white discs.

When I won discs, I always grabbed something white. Now I own 400+ discs and would guess around 350 of them are white - no point in turning back now.

do you wish you were Hawkgammon?



Let's go over Hawkgammon's attributes and see if I want to have them.

<font color="blue"> [borderline personal attack removed] </font>

At least he is somewhat whitty.

once ya go white, you dont go back? :)

once ya go white, you dont go back? :)


something like that :D

when playing around water I sometimes used colored discs.


This will get you put on probation in a hot second! TRIPPS

do you wish you were Hawkgammon?



Let's go over Hawkgammon's attributes and see if I want to have them.

<font color="blue"> [borderline personal attack removed] </font>

At least he is somewhat whitty.



Would you consider calling someone "unattractive" a personal attack?

I'd consider it a personal attack at the same level as calling someone "clueless" or "stupid"

While I don't find that report-worthy it certainly seems to fall within the level of what is considered a personal attack... :o

when playing around water I sometimes used colored discs.


This will get you put on probation in a hot second! TRIPPS



Hey Dave, can I borrow your yellow wraith? :D

do you wish you were Hawkgammon?



Let's go over Hawkgammon's attributes and see if I want to have them.

<font color="blue"> [borderline personal attack removed] </font>

At least he is somewhat whitty.



Would you consider calling someone "unattractive" a personal attack?

I'd consider it a personal attack at the same level as calling someone "clueless" or "stupid"

While I don't find that report-worthy it certainly seems to fall within the level of what is considered a personal attack... :o



I have no objections with you reporting my post or honestly, any other post of mine.

Nope. It may be personally insulting to Hawkgammon, or it may be the truth... I don't know the guy and I've never seen a picture. I don't know... he could be one ugly spud for all I know.

I'm just pointing out that you told me that saying "now you're acting stupid" could get me a warning, but now you are calling a fellow PDGA member "unattractive."

I just thought it was worth pointing out that what I actually consider all in good fun, seems to be along the lines of what you consider a "personal attack." And you are the one who chose to post it.

It would be unfair of me to report your post as I am only offended due to the righteousness of the poster in laying judgment on other posts of a similar nature.

I forcefully object.

the reason for being offended is never the issue. if you say you are offended thats enough. there is nothing that requires you to have a reason, or to reveal it.

today i learned that a picture that could make someone ill could be reason for penalty.

I do use all white discs.



MTL: I found this white DevilHawk in my backyard...could it possibly be a hyzer shot you threw from the Hornets Nest?

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This thread is suppose to be fun I don't wanna talk mod stuff on here

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Well I�ll shoot myself in the foot,
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But I know that won�t.
So I need a friend,
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Hard working and under slept,
But lazy at heart,
Everything that you know you want,
Seems like no big deal when it starts,
So come take my hand my dear,
And show me where I should draw the line,
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That�s why I need a friend,
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Yeah I need a friend,
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Yeah I need a friend,
This time.

To all my brothers before me,
Well I can�t let you down,
But I need you to push me baby,
To Stop Screwing around,
Because I need a friend,
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you cant hide from the Mods! :)

This thread is suppose to be fun I don't wanna talk mod stuff on here


If you are offended I suggest you report the post that offended you to yourself.

Here's a question- How many notifications does the mod team receive per day that are found not to violate the rules?

Here's a question- How many notifications does the mod team receive per day that are found not to violate the rules?




This thread is suppose to be fun I don't wanna talk mod stuff on here

:(

[QUOTE]
Why do you use all white discs?



it's a good thing you don't live in the North Lands.

[QUOTE]
Why do you use all white discs?



it's a good thing you don't leave in the North Lands.



your right, it's cold up there

however, it will be 10 here Monday.

by the way Jen, you are the secret love of my life

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&lt;marquee&gt;look what I just learned and now I feel cool&lt;/marquee&gt;

edit: that was my attempt to do the scroll thing.

I suck.

HELP ME MTL!
my brain is frozen. here is the writing assignment that i will be forced to write a "on the spot" paper for my MI teacher certification test.
"It has been said that "any persons who take it upon themselves, on their own private authority, to break a
bad law thereby authorize everyone else to break the good ones." In an essay to be read by a history
teacher, state whether you agree or disagree that breaking a law�even a bad one�is never justified.
Support your position with reference to your own reading and knowledge of history or current events in
the United States or elsewhere. Your purpose is to persuade your reader to accept your position."


so i would argue that it is absolutely justifiable to break some laws. so far, in my outline (which is all i need to write a phenominal peice of work, is the example of Plessy vs Ferguson
secondly, (this may be offensive to readers) Dr. Kavorkian and Euthanasia (this is only a possibilty unless i can find something better.

so............. I need one more really moving example from history, or current events, i would like to have three examples to argue. HELP!!!!!!!

Hmmm......

I guess the classic example is stealing food for your family to eat = which would be a great opening - very moving....something like...

"It's a cold night and you walk in your home. You see three hungry children playfully dancing around the home and your beautiful spouse preparing a nice home cooked meal. Everything seems to be perfect and from the outside looking in the perception of success and happiness shines over your yellow daisies placed in a clear jar on your window seal through your window and across the perfectly manicured front lawn to the outside world. However, you are the only person who knows how sad and upset this seemingly story book family is about to become as soon you tell them of your horrible day.

You see, today you were fired from your job. With your 3 kids and a spouse staying at home to take care of them and raise them, money has always been tight. Paycheck to paycheck is never the way you envisioned yourself living but the bonus of a loving home more than made up for what you financially didn't have.

However, that love youwill always feel only goes so far. It certainly can warm a cold heart but it cannot put food on your table."

But if you need something specific.....

well, I'm only a writer, not a researcher :D

this is helpful.......

sarcasm or not jen, i enjoyed writing that.

i feel im a pretty good writer.

someone tell me why i work in a bank instead of at a newspaper again?

oh yeah, disc golf

Why are people so dumb.....

Are you smarter then a 5th grader.... the women used the "cheat", here is the question
What continent is directly east of Europe? Are you kidding me? Who wouldnt know that?

well technically the answer could be the US b/c the globe is round and stuff.

but my guess would be they were looking for Asia, however

I took an online 8th grade science test the other day and got a 57.

&lt;marquee&gt;look what I just learned and now I feel cool&lt;/marquee&gt;

edit: that was my attempt to do the scroll thing.

I suck.




Do what you did but first toggle the "Make Post" button to HTML only

<marquee>look what I just learned and now I feel cool</marquee>

i have a new toy now - scroll posts!

<marquee> did my hero teach you how to scroll post b/c he taught me</marquee>

i have a new toy now - scroll posts! /


welcome to the freakin 90's

i have a new toy now - scroll posts! /


welcome to the freakin 90's



well I was born in the 80's. You can't expect me to know stuff from when I was 8.

I'm dizzy now. :D

now you know how feel looking at the belly dance in your icon.

i kinda look like that. I think you are personally attacking me.

HELP ME MTL!
my brain is frozen. here is the writing assignment that i will be forced to write a "on the spot" paper for my MI teacher certification test.
"It has been said that "any persons who take it upon themselves, on their own private authority, to break a
bad law thereby authorize everyone else to break the good ones." In an essay to be read by a history
teacher, state whether you agree or disagree that breaking a law�even a bad one�is never justified.
Support your position with reference to your own reading and knowledge of history or current events in
the United States or elsewhere. Your purpose is to persuade your reader to accept your position."


so i would argue that it is absolutely justifiable to break some laws. so far, in my outline (which is all i need to write a phenominal peice of work, is the example of Plessy vs Ferguson
secondly, (this may be offensive to readers) Dr. Kavorkian and Euthanasia (this is only a possibilty unless i can find something better.

so............. I need one more really moving example from history, or current events, i would like to have three examples to argue. HELP!!!!!!!



I am not MTL by why not use the American Revolution or Martin Luther and his 95 thesis. These are both very important as far as history is concerned and if a history teacher is reading it....

Martin Luther King, Jr jen, there is one right there

rosa parks is another!!

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Caption

The bamboo on hole 7 at USDGC even stops MTL's head.

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Caption: MTL paying for a head.

lmao

WOW!

Here is an article I wrote a few months back that I thought was going to be in a certain magizine coming up, but I was told it wasn't good.

So, here is what I want. Read it. Tell me if you enjoy it. Vote.

The Curse of the Buckhorn Open
Robert Leonard
#21676

It�s a car ride I�ll never forget. I was driving on US 1 North back into my home town of Raleigh in my folks� 1996 Buick Century and it was pouring rain. I had been playing in a tournament all day in this crap, this poor excuse for a car wasn�t exactly what I would prefer to drive in the rain and I was cold, tired and ready to get home.

Instead of the radio playing in this old Buick, I was entertained in another way. I was smothered by the sound of yelling from Jody White in the back seat on a cell phone. Jody was in the middle of a huge argument with his girlfriend about him quitting the tournament. �Because I suck�, �It poured all day� and my favorite, �I hate this **** tournament� was all I could make out thanks to that screechy nose that only old wiper blades going back and forth can only make and because, well, I was laughing pretty hard.

So why was I laughing when I was freezing, soaking wet and trying to avoid an accident that would lead to telling my parents why their Buick was totaled? �Because the whole **** tournament is cursed!� Jody screamed into the phone. My question had been answered; the Buckhorn Open was cursed.

The Buckhorn Open has occurred seven times and each year there is more and more evidence of the curse. Each year something strange happens, but yet, every year, people always play the event. Perhaps it is simply because Buckhorn is a great course. Perhaps it is because the event is always in February and golfers are itching to play a tournament again. Perhaps, and I�ll go with this argument, disc golfers like it when things are little different; this event could easily be classified as a little different.

In the seven years of the event, I know of at least three golfers who were pulled over for speeding on the way to the course. Bob Weston of actually Raleigh flipped his car just a few miles from the course one year because the weather was so bad. Bert Williams was getting ready to start the two hour drive from Greenville, North Carolina to the course when was questioned as to why he was running from the police when he was pulled over for speeding. After explaining that he had no intentions of ending up on �America�s Wildest Police Chases�, he was lucky enough to just get a ticket and be on his way. However, his truck broke down right after he left and he never made it that Sunday morning.

It turns out that Bert was actually one of the lucky golfers that day. Bert made it back home and sat in his heated house while 80 some odd other people were playing in the tournament during an ice storm wishing they could trade places with him. The weather was so bad that the fourth round was canceled. Just a freak incident maybe? Well, the next year an ice storm occurred again during the tournament. This time, the fourth round was shortened.

The two years Raleigh wasn�t the focus of the weather channel during the tournament wasn�t exactly paradise either. In the first year winds of almost 50 miles per hour roared through the course. It was so windy, David Hammontree threw every disc in his bag except his putter in the water over the course of the three consecutive dreaded water holes on the middle section of the course. These winds were so monstrous out on the water that Greg Mayday intentionally dropped a disc in a shallow section of the water that sat right next to the ninth tee so he could get to the drop zone in only two shots and insure he didn�t lose a disc like he had the previous three rounds.

The crazy weather and even crazier automobile stories are just the surface. In the 2007 version of the Buckhorn Open Hall of Famer Carlton Howard lost the masters division of the tournament because he was busy fishing. Carlton, whose voice mail says �If I�m not here, I�m either playing Frisbee or fishing�, was doing the latter when the start horn went off. Not only did he lose the tournament because of this, he didn�t even catch a fish.

So let�s say just for laughs the weather turns out to be nice (which in seven years has only happened once) and you decide to play in this event. If you aren�t pulled over on the way and you forget your fishing pole, you finally get to play in this cursed event. Let�s hope you remembered to pre-register; in 2007 there were more than 20 people on the waiting list.

You head out to the course and you are ready for a nice simple quick round. Wrong! The par 58 course winds through dense North Carolina woods and plays along Mr. Hammontree and Mr. Mayday�s favorite lake. This lake is not there for recreational purposes, not for a disc golf hazard and certainly not for beauty. No, this lake acts as the body of water required to be near all nuclear power plants for safety.

As you stand on the 11th tee the Sharon Harris Nuclear Power Tower hovers in the distance at about one o�clock and provides a false aiming point for the tee shot. The shot is a big righty hyzer and the water acts as the fairway until the disc hopefully hyzers near the guarded and dry pin. Most players who have aimed at this tower for their tee shot have ended up with very big numbers on this hole and much lighter golf bags.

In fact, this tower is commonly the back drop for all putts on this green. If there ever was a place I don�t want to be in this world if that thing exploded, putting at a disc golf basket for a triple bogey in freezing temperatures watching my umbrella blow away with the thought of how much my speeding ticket will cost me and after losing a bunch of discs because I aimed at the big giant tower that looks like it is the perfect spot to throw and is now the reason I�m putting for six has got to be near the top of that list.

There is no other way to say it, the Buckhorn Open is cursed; however, I love it. I love the course, I love the tournament I love the stories. O.K., I admit it, I love the curse too.

well technically the answer could be the US b/c the globe is round and stuff.

but my guess would be they were looking for Asia, however

I took an online 8th grade science test the other day and got a 57.


how exactly does the world being round make the US technically the continent DIRECTLY EAST of europe?

well technically the answer could be the US b/c the globe is round and stuff.

but my guess would be they were looking for Asia, however

I took an online 8th grade science test the other day and got a 57.


how exactly does the world being round make the US technically the continent DIRECTLY EAST of europe?



good point, but at least I got it correct

Jeannie, why are you clueless?



I haven't a clue /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

well technically the answer could be the US b/c the globe is round and stuff.

but my guess would be they were looking for Asia, however

I took an online 8th grade science test the other day and got a 57.


how exactly does the world being round make the US technically the continent DIRECTLY EAST of europe?



And the next question is:

How exactly does the world being round make the US technically a continent?

do you wish you were Hawkgammon?



Obviously he does as this reeks of an old thread of mine. Fortunately for him we'll have matching three month probations here in about 20 minutes, or the system is as biased as well all believe it to be.

Gotta go and find more personal attacks out there. Think of me as your personal attack defender. I have to admit that I was disappointed that someone already reported this one before I was tipped off about it.

We washed underwear together!!



that makes me ill.

"Would you consider calling someone "unattractive" a personal attack?

I'd consider it a personal attack at the same level as calling someone "clueless" or "stupid""

and what about Dr Evil? he came under fire as well.

The post was clearly made as a joke refering to the fact that Hawk always talked about how many hot women he attracted and how him and Rich always met and played tournaments against each other, that is my opinion.

robert, i know that, but was running short on smileys. that said, not everyone has had the priviledge of reading those other posts you reference.


I have to admit that I was disappointed that someone already reported this one before I was tipped off about it.

so the question becomes "will MTL be given the identity of the reporter?"

It's clearly a joke. I thought my post was clearly a joke as well. I just forgot to add some smilies at the end. That's the shame in this style of moderating. It really does make people walk on eggshells and takes so much of the fun out of it.

I am not an abusive poster. To me it is embarassing to have my name on that list. For anyone looking that hasn't read about this topic, they will look at that list and see my name and it written that I have attacked someone. That is a harsh word to me. I would never attack anyone, and don't appreciate being labeled as such.

robert, i know that, but was running short on smileys. that said, not everyone has had the priviledge of reading those other posts you reference.


I have to admit that I was disappointed that someone already reported this one before I was tipped off about it.

so the question becomes "will MTL be given the identity of the reporter?"



Since I am notified via email of all posts that were reported, the answer is yes, I know who reported it.

Do tell......................... :p

Are you going to rule on your own post like Jeff did?

well technically the answer could be the US b/c the globe is round and stuff.

but my guess would be they were looking for Asia, however

I took an online 8th grade science test the other day and got a 57.


how exactly does the world being round make the US technically the continent DIRECTLY EAST of europe?



And the next question is:

How exactly does the world being round make the US technically a continent?


baby steps...

well technically the answer could be the US b/c the globe is round and stuff.

but my guess would be they were looking for Asia, however

I took an online 8th grade science test the other day and got a 57.


how exactly does the world being round make the US technically the continent DIRECTLY EAST of europe?



And the next question is:

How exactly does the world being round make the US technically a continent?


baby steps...



"I'm sailing!" :D

:D

do you wish you were Hawkgammon?



Let's go over Hawkgammon's attributes and see if I want to have them.

<font color="blue"> [borderline personal attack removed] </font>

At least he is somewhat whitty.




see, no favortism within the mods.

Do tell......................... :p



nope!

The post was clearly made as a joke



This post makes me laugh.
Where in the rules does it state that a personal attack is not really an attack if it is clearly meant as a joke.
Hilarious, now please rule on your own violation, MTL.

Are you going to rule on your own post like Jeff did?



haha now THATS funny. :D

so did you get warned or probed?

warned.

pretty standard with borderline stuff unless there has already been a standard set of "saying _______ will get you put on prob" or if you have been warned before.

yeppers. good luck this weekend. hope your putting is on track. is Schwebby playing?

Thanks I will need it.

1 - 4 inches of snow in the forcast for tomorrow - the course is short so the rounds won't take a long time.

putting is hands down the most important thing on this course and yeah, schwebby is playing. hes the defending champ of this and well, most NC events.

so the best you'll do is second?

my goal is never to win.

I think setting your goal to win is stupid.

If I shoot what I know I can shoot and play the way I can play will I win? Probably.

However, If I shoot that way and am satisfied with how I shoot and someone beats me then that is fine. I can only control what I shoot.

i hear that. for me it depends on division, etc. although i kinda have to say, my goal is still to win. i know that eralistically i have little chance, but when round one starts, thats my goal.

its like the sports psych guys who tell you that you need to say it out loud before it has much chance of happening.

i hear that. for me it depends on division, etc. although i kinda have to say, my goal is still to win. i know that eralistically i have little chance, but when round one starts, thats my goal.

its like the sports psych guys who tell you that you need to say it out loud before it has much chance of happening.



The issue is that if your goal is to win, you may make different decisions than if your goal is to cash. Or to end up in the top 5. Depending on how realistic those possibilities are should impact how you play.

Do I run at the 60 footer with a steep drop off behind it? If I need it to win and my goal is to win, then yes. But if I miss and drop a stroke and it costs me 2 places is it worth it?

How aggressive am I if faced with this shot on the second hole of the tourney?

I am not an abusive poster. To me it is embarassing to have my name on that list. For anyone looking that hasn't read about this topic, they will look at that list and see my name and it written that I have attacked someone. That is a harsh word to me. I would never attack anyone, and don't appreciate being labeled as such.



At least you got to attack somebody.:DAll i did was post a picture of a PDGA approved disc on the PDGA message board; the next thing i knew i was grabbing my ankles. :confused:

I see Matt Hall was suspended from the message board for a personal attack. Do you know anything about it?

Hey MTL,

Who's better looking, you are Hawkgammon? Be honest now.

I think that it was for the same reason that Jeannie was on probation.

I though Jeannie was on probation? Matt is suspended.

I see Matt Hall was suspended from the message board for a personal attack. Do you know anything about it?



Yes I know what happened but the Moderators have been asked by Brian Graham to not discuss individual instances.

Hey MTL,

Who's better looking, you are Hawkgammon? Be honest now.



I'm the most attractive person in the world, so even if he the second, he is still behind me :D

Jeannie, why are you clueless?



I haven't a clue /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Point proven. :D

hey thanks for the help....
here is what i came up with last night...
plessy vs ferguson
rosa parks
MLK
i think itll flow nicely since the first 2 things in part inspired MLK for the non violent campains.
with acing the writing portion i should have room to bomb the math portion.

MTL, can you explain this to me?

The sum of the three angles of a triangle is
180 degrees. The second angle is 20 degrees
larger than the first angle. The third angle is twice
the measure of the first angle. If n represents the
number of degrees in the smallest angle, which
equation correctly represents the relationship among
the three angles?
A. n + (n � 20) + 2n = 180
B. n + (n + 20) + 2n = 180
C. n + (n � 20) + 2(n � 20) = 180
D. n + (n + 20) + 2(n + 20) = 180

do you want him to explain it or answer it?

both.
or we can play who is the smartest by answering it first. I have the answer, but when i look at the question, all i see is blah blah blah

B. The second and third sentence show that the 2nd and 3rd angles are bigger than the first. Fourth sentence shows that 1st angle is "n". Therefore, n +(n+20) + 2n = 180. n=40 BTW. Right?

you win.

MTL, can you explain this to me?

The sum of the three angles of a triangle is
180 degrees. The second angle is 20 degrees
larger than the first angle. The third angle is twice
the measure of the first angle. If n represents the
number of degrees in the smallest angle, which
equation correctly represents the relationship among
the three angles?
A. n + (n � 20) + 2n = 180
B. n + (n + 20) + 2n = 180
C. n + (n � 20) + 2(n � 20) = 180
D. n + (n + 20) + 2(n + 20) = 180



I thought the US was a continent directly east of Asia and you want me to answer that?

Do you believe it's a good thing for professional Disc Golfers to wear nice clothing while competing at high level PDGA tournaments?

Do you believe that players (male or female) should be allowed to wear sleeveless shirts while playing? How about TD's? Should they be allowed to wear sleeveless shirts (tank tops/wife-beaters) while they are director of an event?

Do you believe it's a good thing for professional Disc Golfers to wear nice clothing while competing at high level PDGA tournaments?



Based on how many times you said professional, yes.


Do you believe that players (male or female) should be allowed to wear sleeveless shirts while playing?



Female yes. Male no.


How about TD's? Should they be allowed to wear sleeveless shirts (tank tops/wife-beaters) while they are director of an event?



Nope.

If we ever want to get anywhere as sport, outsiders need to take us seriously.

yes, look at pet rocks. as soon as people starting taking them seriously, it was nothing but upside.

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Do you believe it's a good thing for professional Disc Golfers to wear nice clothing while competing at high level PDGA tournaments?


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Based on how many times you said professional, yes.





I'm not really understanding this part of your response, but overall you and I are in the majority of PDGA members with what I'm trying to show. I believe the dress codes are a good thing. I always have for many, many years.


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How about TD's? Should they be allowed to wear sleeveless shirts (tank tops/wife-beaters) while they are director of an event?


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Nope.

If we ever want to get anywhere as sport, outsiders need to take us seriously.



Exactly!

Have you had the chance to look through the latest issue of DISC GOLF WORLD yet? I mean no disrespect to Rick R. and his staff, they do and have done a fantastic job for the growth of Disc Golf over the years, but take a look at some of the pictures in there from the events of the European tour. The TD from one of the German events is shown in a TANK-TOP! And another picture shows him again (in the same TANK-TOP!) with a guy in what looks to be a WIFE-BEATER type top! Surely this will impact any future sponsor deals. Should the Europeans be allowed different standards than those of us who compete here in the US, or Japan, where the event standards appear to be very high?

I personally where Dry Fit collared shirts to every PDGA event I play and probably 90 - 99% of monthlies.

is there a difference between whereing one personally and whereing one regular?

Firefox needs a green squiggly to go along with the red one

howd ya shoot today?

(what red squiggly?)

wow today...

the first round was unreal bad. I couldn't make a putt. Worst I've played on this course in years.

2nd round more of the same. I went to screw around mode to insure my round would be threw out for my rating.

well it was a fund raiser along with out ice bowl that I TD'd.

I'm proud to say we raised 2,484 dollars for the NC food bank

MTL:
I give a [censored], do you want some?

well it was a fund raiser along with out ice bowl that I TD'd.

I'm proud to say we raised 2,484 dollars for the NC food bank



well done, robert!

MTL:
I give a [censored], do you want some?



I love it.

God that was funny that night in Wisconsin.

well it was a fund raiser along with out ice bowl that I TD'd.

I'm proud to say we raised 2,484 dollars for the NC food bank



well done, robert!



thanks, but I send my thanks to everyone who came. no matter how much I plan and stuff, a tournament like this doesn't happen without people playing.

How much have you cashed for in tourneys so far this year MTL? Am I beating you in that like the Blue Jackets beat down on the Hurricane?

:D:D:D

-Chris.

73 in non sanctioned
0 in sanctioned

210 and 0 here. Odds are I won't make it past 300 until at least August so I'm going to milk it while I can. ;)

Possibly the most ingenious song ever written :

Every phrase is a palindrome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nej4xJe4Tdg

nice :)

isn't that cool as crap?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1399/1106971710_df94c33f80.jpg?v=0

I actually have seen that video before. My 16yo son has gotten into weird al some, and showed it to me. I still like "Eat it" better, which my son said is going to be on GH4.

I'm actually a pretty big Weird al fan.

I would recommend Smells Like Nirvana, Amish Paradise and Confessions Part III

Best Ever...Besides I'm Fat.

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speaking of White... The White Stuff - NKOTB ripoff... classic.

man MTL, bringin' back the memories. I havent heard a Weird Al jam for like five years til this morning. Now its all the office rage. :D

isn't that cool as crap?


Greatest achievement in the history of spoken or written communication.

Anybody seen "UHF"?

isn't that cool as crap?


Greatest achievement in the history of spoken or written communication.



I can't tell if that was real or sarcasm

It was serious until I read your article about "The Blue Advantage", so I guess "Bob" is 2nd now. :D

wow, how in the world did you find that article?

I did a Google search for "hack journalist" and it was the first listing. :D(I hope that's not construed as a personal attack, but, if so, oh well.)

In all seriousness, my original post may have been a bit hyperbolized, but "Bob" is an unbelievably impressive achievement in wordcraft.

But MTL is still a hack. :D

agreed about Bob

disagreed about me.

I was actually talking about you this weekend Vegan. Someone mentioned hole 3 at lorella and I said you had aced it.

You coming to the Loriella Challenge on 3/2? You can see me do it again live. ;)

(That is, if my body makes it through to the 2nd day AND I don't duff my drive &amp; 5 it. )

naw first weekend in March is the Earlewood classic in Columbia SC. Best designed course I've ever played.

but I'll be at the VO.

VTI?

ah, duh.

I'll be there,

Playing Open 4 for RADL.

W3rd. Cya there, either as Am #2 for Team Spotsy (if qualifying isn't on a sheet of ice this year) or in some other capacity . . .

Someone mentioned hole 3 at lorella



context??

we were playing hole 15 at Cedar (long down hill and straight) and I almost aced it and someone mentioned that it would be cool to see it aced and that Hole 3 at Lorella would be a cool one etc etc etc

Another message board user has accused me of not being a solid pro after a discussion about pros going back to am.

So, you make the call.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=21676&amp;year=2007

since this is the appropriate place for it since you made it about a nit picking word 'solid' and not the fact that you would've have won even 1/2 of the tournies last year if you played advanced...

what is your definition of a 'Solid Pro'.

wouldn't it be someone who cashed @ worlds? would beat the am field more than 3/4 of the time?

its not a personal thing (although you are making it one)... im just curious to hear your definitions and how you'd rank the pros in sub groups (since thats what you are making it about).

I don't take any offense whatsoever about attacking my play.

I just like the randomness of this thread :D

We played serious the first round.

The second round was screwing around b/c at that point we didn't care.

Our second rounds will not be counted and if we were truly trying to get our ratings down, we would have continued to play seriously b/c then the round would not have been thrown out.



Obviously not SOLID

what does that have to do with the question?

i personally think im being 'nice' by saying you are a good pro... if you take the personal touch out of it and look at you as PLAYER X... if player X is ranked 978... thats about 1 stroke away during a round from being sub 970 (Advanced level)... wouldn't that make Player X a bottom feeder among the pros? let alone not even a Good or Solid Pro?

not saying I think that about you... but saying the case could be argued even further down the chain.

aka... Blue hat... small plate

Solid players wouldn't have to resort to that Behavior. Haven't seen Climo throw too many skip putts. Also the reason why ratings suck but another topic

if player X is ranked 978... thats about 1 stroke away during a round from being sub 970 (Advanced level)... wouldn't that make Player X a bottom feeder among the pros? let alone not even a Good or Solid Pro?




Comment 1 - Yes, I am 9 points away from being elidgeable to play advanced. More support as to how STUPID it is that the 970 is the cut off.

Comment 2 - I certainly wouldn't call myself a bottom feeder and I have over 2,800 reasons why and 23 deposits on monday morning in my account.

Solid players wouldn't have to resort to that Behavior. Haven't seen Climo throw too many skip putts.



Climo is elite, not solid :cool:

I think since everyone's definition of 'solid' as an adjective can be different, this is kind of a pointless discussion.

if player X is ranked 978... thats about 1 stroke away during a round from being sub 970 (Advanced level)... wouldn't that make Player X a bottom feeder among the pros? let alone not even a Good or Solid Pro?






Comment 1 - Yes, I am 9 points away from being elidgeable to play advanced. More support as to how STUPID it is that the 970 is the cut off.

Comment 2 - I certainly wouldn't call myself a bottom feeder and I have over 2,800 reasons why and 23 deposits on monday morning in my account.



go back and figure out your entry fees for those tourney's vs taking home 2800 and see how much of a 'Solid' or whatever Pro you really are. To me a pro would be able to make money (and not a hundred or 2) after 32 events. That would barely qualify as a semi-pro if you looked at it in terms of other sports.

I havent run the #s on how much you actually made (minus entry fees) but i'd imagine it isnt much (if any)... and yes Im not even talking about lodging and travel (dont want to be nit picky).

again... im not saying you are a bottom feeder but im saying that point could be argued by others (and had been mentioned to me)... im still saying you are 'good' (again even though a bunch of people disagree)

I think since everyone's definition of 'solid' as an adjective can be different, this is kind of a pointless discussion.



thank you Charles!!! :)

i just put up info about him not winning as advanced and people picked out the one small symantec that could be argued (the word solid) and ran with it.

You are probably right, I probably do lose money.

But If I played this game to make money you could call me an idiot. I play b/c I love it, I love the competition and I love the people and the times that I have.

I don't even look at like making money. If I cash for 50 dollars and the entry fee is 50 dollars, I say I won 50 dollars, not broke even. To me, I have already budgetted out the 50 dollar entry fee and the 50 dollar winnings is just a bonus. Every penny I make in winnings goes into my savings account.

Sadly, most people have lost site of that and have stoppped playing b/c they don't cash or some other nonsense. If I didn't cash at a single event all year I would still be at just as many next year.

Solid Pro.

Dude cashed 23 times in a year, and lives in Raleigh.

End of discussion.

I think since everyone's definition of 'solid' as an adjective can be different, this is kind of a pointless discussion.


Aren't they all

most, yes, especially with mtl

You're a solid open player, not a pro. Then again my definition of "pro" may be vastly different from yours.

I think since everyone's definition of 'solid' as an adjective can be different, this is kind of a pointless discussion.



thank you Charles!!! :)

i just put up info about him not winning as advanced and people picked out the one small symantec that could be argued (the word solid) and ran with it.


one symantic? go read your first post. you where talking down to the man. plain and simple i thought it was unwarentted. i totally disaggreed with everything you said in that first post so i voiced my opinion that is what happens on a discussion board

thats a whole 'nother topic and a good point ABCD... if you average it out MTL made a little less than $20 per event... if you take out travel, etc. he comes out easily in the negative.

if you told someone outside the sport that you were a 'Pro' and you actually paid to play ... i think they would beg to differ.

please dont come and argue this now MTL... maybe its something intrinsically wrong with our sport... i dont care about that point... just agreeing that maybe the definition of pro is skewed.

things like this would be great to discuss over a pint @ a pub or something where people are face to face and have a chance to brainstorm/free think together... msg board = people find one word out of 1000 and harp on that word to skew things instead of looking @ the big picture when talking about things like this.

So then how did you vote Solid or Soft?

ah, duh.

I'll be there,

Playing Open 4 for RADL.



<font color="green"> SWEET!! That round is gonna be REAL green! </font>

So then how did you vote Solid or Soft?



i accidentally voted for ross perot somehow... crazy internet polls

and BigWave...

here's what happened in my mind... i read MTLs claim "1. I would expect to win and I would."

i thought... hmm... MTL is a pretty good pro but is he really good enough to win every or even most of the tournies he played if he was in Advanced. I guessed that it would've been around 75% of the time (taking into account the times when the advanced winner was just on fire)... I was blown away that it wasn't even 50% and posted my findings.

i honestly thought more of him than the #s show as it sounds like you do too... if i have time maybe i'll pick a couple other pros in his level of play and do the same (and take names out so people dont get hung up on things) and see how they compare.

sorry if it was perceived like I was talking down to him.

There is no question MTL is a solid pro. I'm pretty sure he came a stroke or two away from beating Schweb in a tournament last year. IMO if you can hang with Schweb you are obviously a solid player.

[here's what happened in my mind... i read MTLs claim "1. I would expect to win and I would."





QUOTE THE ENTIRE QUOTE.

You yourself just said on another thread that on a message boards people find small words or phrases and tear them apart and you didn't like it, yet you are now doing the same to me!

I said if I played am I would expect to win and I would OR I would expect to win and I would be uspet that I didn't.

EVERY player at EVERY tournament can say they either won or didn't. I was merely trying to say that I don't see how going back down to Am would improve your confidence b/c if I expected to win and I did, I would get nothing out of that. However, if I expected to win and didn't I would be very disapointed and lose confidence from that.

I don't judge myself based on who I beat or where I finish anymore now that I am in pro (only judge it based on how I played), but if I was playing advanced at my current skill level, anything but a win would be disapointing and I don't think anyone can argue that.

Does that mean I would win every weekend? Of course not. But if I played like I can ( and showed in some tournaments last year - like take Tupelo for instance, I would have won advanced by 14), then no amatuer in the world can hang with me. If I play poorly, then any amatuer in the world can hang with me.

i'd rather have Stack cuz our ratings are a lot closer to each other, and that usually makes for a better doubles experience all the way round. MTL is just too good for me. (although i could prolly contribute on the putting side)

ah, duh.

I'll be there,

Playing Open 4 for RADL.



<font color="green"> SWEET!! That round is gonna be REAL green! </font>



so is green bad now? What happened to Red? I need to catch up on all the current lingo.

I got EABN at Tupelo figured out and man, that was funny.

But fill me in. What is the hot new slang now?

M --&gt; C... hilarious poll but please dont drift away from this thread being all about MTL! ;)

and MTL... this is the whole... if people were sitting around talking things would be easier.

to simplify I was saying I read that part and thought yeah... you could give it a run but I wonder how that works out in real world #s...
you also need to see that I was looking at your premise and conclusion and agreeing with it.

i agreed that it would be a confidence killer for someone of your level to play am... i even found the #s to prove it. I thought it was interesting and have done the same with a few others around your level and its about the same for them too... if you played am i'd imagine the odds would be amazingly in your favor to win every time.... not disputing that... just thought that it was crazy that perceptions didnt match reality for some 'good' pros in your 980 range here in the carolinas.

also might speak volumes about the carolinas and differences in regions since someone with a 950 rating might be the best in their area and clean up in a lot of pro tournies they play (but thats a perception or something I would 'expect' and would have to see #s to know for sure).

either way... please take yourself out of it... look @ the #s for you and the other examples I gave and tell me you arent surprised

it didn't surprise me a bit.

I had some weekends, even when I cashed, that I played very poorly.

Plus, we have lots of great ams here that are simply scared of playing where they belong b/c of Schweb and stuff.

I know that I often tell people that the Schwebs and McRees and Johnansons of this area are not what make this state so tough, it is the fact there are so many players like me that you have to battle with too.

anyone else think this... vvvv

it didn't surprise me a bit.

I had some weekends, even when I cashed, that I played very poorly.




Plus this vvvvv



Maybe I just view things differently...

but if I were to play advanced at a tournament this year, one of two things would happen.

1. I would expect to win and I would.
2. I would expect to win and I would be unbelieveably mad if I didn't.

Either way, I don't gain confidence and in number 2, I actually lose some.

Just my 2 cents.




= HUH?!

My vote is I think you are solid as a pro MTL.....just my 2 cents

come on Stack are you serious?

BEFORE the weekend starts, my thoughts


Maybe I just view things differently...

but if I were to play advanced at a tournament this year, one of two things would happen.

1. I would expect to win and I would.
2. I would expect to win and I would be unbelieveably mad if I didn't.

Either way, I don't gain confidence and in number 2, I actually lose some.




AFTER the weekend was over and the actual results were final.


it didn't surprise me a bit.

I had some weekends, even when I cashed, that I played very poorly.

MTL, what did you do to Stack? He seems to be rather "pre-occupied" with disproving you confidence in your game.

Nothing.

I'm not mad at him at all for all of this.

i have no issues with MTL... which is why I picked 2 other Pros around his level at random and ran the same numbers on them

and btw... that made me laugh out loud (the post that starts... come on Stack are you serious?) Aint that the truth!

Who do you see moving through the ranks and on the rise in NC? Obviously Wiggins Jr. has made a name for himself, in fact he is known by name out here in TX. Who else do you see making steady progress in the ADV or PRO divisions?

Based on what I have seen here are some players that I think will be good pros in this area :

Zach Newhouse
Jeremy Koling
Josh Friend
Dave Jr. (obviously)

And some pros that are really talented that don't play much that you probably haven't head of
Tony Adnolfi
Sean Gough
Scotty Faison
Grant Hodges
Alex Wells

Zach Newhouse is a great example... and def. up for most improved player (if there was such a thing)... went from 908 a little over a year ago to 970 now (had some impressive finishes in Am) and just got picked up by Discraft!

and yeah... big Wigg is def. a known up and coming player all over... sick watching that kid throw!!!

Halton Smith was hands down the most improved player in NC in 2007, IMO.

He made 70 dollars in 06 (granted he denied cash a few times before worlds) and then in 07 won 2 events in NC in open.

I lived in Burlington, NC until 8 months ago. I was wondering if Alex Wells would make your list. I think 2008 could be a "breakout" type year for him. Consistency will be the key.

I've played a few rounds with him and the kid has got lots of raw talent.

Needs a bit of work on his touch game and his putting (don't we all). When he gets a consistent putt, he will be a force.

It was more fun when this thread was "MTL help me with my homework!"

So here's your question for the evening...

A doctor gives you three pills. It is noon. He tells you to take one now and one every half hour. How long before you are out of pills?

Depends how many you had before the Doc gave you three... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

why didnt i see te signs?! http://img5.glowfoto.com/images/2007/10/11-1827472336M.jpg

It was more fun when this thread was "MTL help me with my homework!"

So here's your question for the evening...

A doctor gives you three pills. It is noon. He tells you to take one now and one every half hour. How long before you are out of pills?



You run out at 1 PM.

why didnt i see te signs?! http://img5.glowfoto.com/images/2007/10/11-1827472336M.jpg



huh

Based on what I have seen here are some players that I think will be good pros in this area :

Zach Newhouse
Jeremy Koling
Josh Friend
Dave Jr. (obviously)

And some pros that are really talented that don't play much that you probably haven't head of
Tony Adnolfi
Sean Gough
Scotty Faison
Grant Hodges
Alex Wells




I know this thread is about you, but lets talk about me, me, me, me for a little bit. Where would you put me in your list? :D

your a great player rob and an even better person.

ill put you on that list. :D

what list am i on

: ) :

ur on the list of people I have aced against on the last hole of a tournament to force a playoff but lost that playoff list.

This might be my favorite MTL stat for 2007.

12 .....15 ..... Points Bonanza II - Hornet's Nest ..... 15-Jun-2007 .....131 ..... $0
13 ..... 25 ..... Points Bonanza III - Kilborne .....16-Jun-2007 .....112 ..... $0
11 .....10 .....Points Bonanza IV - Sugaw Creek ..... 17-Jun-2007 .....109 ..... $0
29 .....130.....Charlotte Open..... 29-Sep to 30-Sep-2007.....231...... $0

SHUT OUT IN CHARLOTTE!

oh yeah....

I played 10 events last year and earned $1700.

2 Majors
3 NTs
MSDGC
1 A tier

$1700 off of 10 events where 70% were A tier or better.

Matt, if I gave you a photo of a broken down Innova Van would you switch your avatar to it? :) Because I've definitely got a photo of that van broken down lol.

what list am i on

: ) :



You can be on my list :D

This might be my favorite MTL stat for 2007.

12 .....15 ..... Points Bonanza II - Hornet's Nest ..... 15-Jun-2007 .....131 ..... $0
13 ..... 25 ..... Points Bonanza III - Kilborne .....16-Jun-2007 .....112 ..... $0
11 .....10 .....Points Bonanza IV - Sugaw Creek ..... 17-Jun-2007 .....109 ..... $0
29 .....130.....Charlotte Open..... 29-Sep to 30-Sep-2007.....231...... $0

SHUT OUT IN CHARLOTTE!



That's a great point.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6583#Open

You know, unless that tournament wasn't in Charlotte.

oops, missed that one. Still, you shelled out $350 in Charlotte entry fees and got back $65. That's hot!

you know I think it is pretty messed up to make those comments. I root for everyone on every shot and want everyone to make every shot they give and when they don't execute it, I certainly don't kick them when they are down, like you just did.

Also, not that I care to defend myself to you, but I was hurt during the points bonanza and I had fun those 3 weekends in Charlotte. Unlike some people, money is not what is about for me. I play for fun and competition.

Here we go again Thanks Matt

oh jeez. just analyzing the numbers. thought that was interesting is all.

oh jeez. just analyzing the numbers. thought that was interesting is all.




oops, missed that one. Still, you shelled out $350 in Charlotte entry fees and got back $65. That's hot!



you can't even look at the numbers right. It's 51 dollars.

Analyzing numbers caused like 10 pages yesterday. Nice lefty pair for the weekend

who? me and you BS? Birdies?

NO U AND TREY

Wanna know your new rating?

I will give ya my thoughts on what it will be.

Is mine going to drop or go up? And how accurate do you think they are in general?

How do you figure out ratings..... dont waste your time with mine just wanting to figure out what mine might look like!

I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and say yours stays the same sense you have no tournaments being rated :D

As for how accurate....well...they are heck of a lot better than than they use to be as far as accuracy, that's for sure.

However, I remember just last year playing in a 1000 rated player-less field (which almost NEVER happens in NC) and I shot a very good round of 55 on a course.

The round was rated just over 1000, I'm thinking 1005.

I posted something about how I got screwed that I felt the round was easily 1015, probably 1020.

Chuck posted "well I don't know why you are complaining, the course has always had an SSA of 55 point something"

I responded "yes Chuck, but there was a new extended basket, and 2 new holes that went from a birdieable par 3 to a par 4"

The problem was the data didn't have those 1000 rated players in there and then if they were there, my round have looked a lot better b/c then I would have more than likely beat most of them or been within a shot or two of them (the record is 52). So b/c of this, there was no real proof the course was actually tougher.

I think that ratings should be based on the course whether than on what (and who) is shot. I have a hard time seeing how a 55 on a course with 10 1000 rated players is better than a 55 on the same course with 0 1000 rated players. The effectiveness of it might change (where my 55 was the hot round but in a field of 10 1000 rated players, it probably would not have been), but the 55 is still a 55. It seems to me that ratings are more of a representation of you played compared to the field instead of how you played compared to the course, which I don't like. I have no control on whether the field plays good or bad, I only control myself and my throws.

I also understand and agree with the need for the larger point swing on easy courses and the opposite on tough courses, but do have a problem with the fact that a 1030 round on some courses is no where near as good as 1030 round on other courses and I thought the point of ratings was to be able to compare scores on seperate courses since we have no standardization of par in disc golf.

I also don't like the fact that certain courses are very easy to get good ratings on certian courses (take The Dark Side at the Grange where the 1117 was shot - over par is 1000 yet there are 17 legit birdies on the course) and very hard to get good ratings on some courses (At Castle Hayne you can shoot 57 or 58 and be winning open and only get 1010 or so for the round)

Can you guess my rating? I will tell you if you are right or wroug.

How do you figure out ratings.....



Bump :D

hey mtl, what event was that? i am working on a ratings system that is based on a differential scoring average, and wold like to see what it would say about this event.

trey bailed and is playing with Zeb. I couldn't commit 100%. I am pretty sure I am clear all Saturday, just can't say 100% definite.

I think I'm playn with BigWheels but will find ut

okey. doke.

Think I'll be at glo tonight and find out

hey mtl, what event was that? i am working on a ratings system that is based on a differential scoring average, and wold like to see what it would say about this event.


He's probably talking about the Big Valley Challenge back in July. My 57 that same round probably didn't help the overall rating with no 1000 rated players in the field. Should of been a 56 though....silly bogey on the last hole!

coolio, thanks!

in the DSA ratings method, MTL's Big Valley event was worth a -3.20 (lower numbers are better), while using the current ratings system yielded a 996 rating.

for a very incomplete comparison i looked at two other events from the same timeframe - the Brent Hambrick and the KCWO. at the Brent, a -3.20 would have earned a current rating of 1018. at the KCWO it would have earned between a 1018.

(btw, the current ratings system gave 1018 ratings to a 205 finsher and a 207 finisher at the Brent. that sorta doesnt make total sense, and cant happen with the DSA approach)

since those both came out too consistant to believe, i also did the Atlanta Open and the Majestic. a -3.20 was worth a 1014 at the Majestic and a 1006 in Atlanta.

i'd estimate that had more higher rated players been present, MTL may have cashed lower than he did, but would have received at least a 1011 average rating for the event.

interesting stuff pat

Can you guess my rating? I will tell you if you are right or wroug.



really dang close to 900

And mine?

don't worry you are still playing am

what about mine?

what is it?

So what is team Jo's-Pole rated going into Birdies for the Birds Saturday at Ho'snest?

what about mine?



congrats on being the new highest rated golfer in NC.

What about mine?

You are still the highest rated player in your house

That's good! I'll sleep better knowing that :)

I'm gonna take a shot in the dark here and say yours stays the same sense you have no tournaments being rated :D

As for how accurate....well...they are heck of a lot better than than they use to be as far as accuracy, that's for sure.

However, I remember just last year playing in a 1000 rated player-less field (which almost NEVER happens in NC) and I shot a very good round of 55 on a course.

The round was rated just over 1000, I'm thinking 1005.

I posted something about how I got screwed that I felt the round was easily 1015, probably 1020.

Chuck posted "well I don't know why you are complaining, the course has always had an SSA of 55 point something"

I responded "yes Chuck, but there was a new extended basket, and 2 new holes that went from a birdieable par 3 to a par 4"

The problem was the data didn't have those 1000 rated players in there and then if they were there, my round have looked a lot better b/c then I would have more than likely beat most of them or been within a shot or two of them (the record is 52). So b/c of this, there was no real proof the course was actually tougher.

I think that ratings should be based on the course whether than on what (and who) is shot. I have a hard time seeing how a 55 on a course with 10 1000 rated players is better than a 55 on the same course with 0 1000 rated players. The effectiveness of it might change (where my 55 was the hot round but in a field of 10 1000 rated players, it probably would not have been), but the 55 is still a 55. It seems to me that ratings are more of a representation of you played compared to the field instead of how you played compared to the course, which I don't like. I have no control on whether the field plays good or bad, I only control myself and my throws.

I also understand and agree with the need for the larger point swing on easy courses and the opposite on tough courses, but do have a problem with the fact that a 1030 round on some courses is no where near as good as 1030 round on other courses and I thought the point of ratings was to be able to compare scores on seperate courses since we have no standardization of par in disc golf.

I also don't like the fact that certain courses are very easy to get good ratings on certian courses (take The Dark Side at the Grange where the 1117 was shot - over par is 1000 yet there are 17 legit birdies on the course) and very hard to get good ratings on some courses (At Castle Hayne you can shoot 57 or 58 and be winning open and only get 1010 or so for the round)



The problem with playing against a courses' rating is that:

A) course layout varies too much for the course to have 1 "true" rating. Changing a few holes, playing alternate tees, etc - change the rating of the course, so a 55 ain't always a 55. (although they would technically be both 55s).

B) it wouldn't take into account conditions. 55 might be a 1010 rated round on that course on a sunny, calm day - but it could be a 1030 rated round on a cold, windy day.


By playing against the field, your rating is more reflective of how well you shot that day, on that layout, in those conditions.

Certainly, if everyone plays very well, or very poorly, the round ratings would be skewed, but i would think over the long haul it would be fairly accurate.

Regardless, there are shortcomings with any method of generating ratings (and putting together a course/competition ratings hybrid is probably a bit too extensive).

By playing against the field, your rating is more reflective of how well you shot that day, on that layout, in those conditions.




The field generates the effectiveness of the round and unfortantly the rating is included with this. I don't agree with that at all.

I've used this example very often.

Let's say the worlds are at Cedar Hills in Raleigh, NC (my home course and has an SSA of 49).

I shoot a 49 and there are 57 rounds better than that. The course record of 42 is shot 5 times as well. My 49 won't be 1000 and that 42 won't be 1070.

Let's say I shoot a 49 and I had the hot round. Now, that 49 is 1030.

That makes no sense to me. The effect of the 49 is based on how the field plays, but should my rating rating be rewarded / penalized based on how the field plays?

Yes.

You honestly think that or like most people, are you reading the name of the author of the post and disagreeing with it soley on that?

(take The Dark Side at the Grange where the 1117 was shot - over par is 1000 yet there are 17 legit birdies on the course)



16 gettable birdies (no way you can call #2 and #7 birdie holes). hundreds of rounds there by players over 1000 but the second best score EVER in practice or tournament is 46. skinner shot 41.

your example would be better made with a true short course.

I forgot about 2.

My point was you have a course where I garuntee there are at least 4 or 5 birdies on every hole throughout the course of the round (except for those 2 holes) and yet, over par is 1000.

However, this proves how difficult the course is.

My definition of hard is comparison of WCP to Course par.

A course that is par 72 with 18 590 foot par 4's is not hard, although, everyone would be shooting over 54.

My definition of hard is comparison of WCP to Course par.

A course that is par 72 with 18 590 foot par 4's is not hard, although, everyone would be shooting over 54.



agreed- that reflects the slope that the ratings folks will tell you we don't need.

to clarify, I meant 18 wide open flat 590 foot holes.

That WCP would be around 61ish I'd guess which makes it the same thing as a pitch and putt course, just with an added tee shot. This would be about 18 shots above a typical pitch and putt course, which would be representative of the extra tee shot.

By playing against the field, your rating is more reflective of how well you shot that day, on that layout, in those conditions.




The field generates the effectiveness of the round and unfortantly the rating is included with this. I don't agree with that at all.

I've used this example very often.

Let's say the worlds are at Cedar Hills in Raleigh, NC (my home course and has an SSA of 49).

I shoot a 49 and there are 57 rounds better than that. The course record of 42 is shot 5 times as well. My 49 won't be 1000 and that 42 won't be 1070.

Let's say I shoot a 49 and I had the hot round. Now, that 49 is 1030.

That makes no sense to me. The effect of the 49 is based on how the field plays, but should my rating rating be rewarded / penalized based on how the field plays?



But how often does the field's play (assuming a static field) vary _that_ much between two rounds?

Are you saying that it's even somewhat likely that 57 players shoot a "1000+" rated round (breaking 49 on a 49 SSA course) if only 4 1000 rated players are present at an event?

Are you saying it's somewhat likely that the same field of players plays two rounds, and in one round none in the field break 49, and the other round 57 players do? Barring weather differences, i don't think this is a likely scenario. Might a 49 vary in calculated rating between the two rounds? Yes, but i don't think it will vary nearly as much as your hypothetical.

For example, at the Raleigh Winter Jam, it appears that there was a 10-12 rating difference between the same score in the first and second rounds. Having played there, this can easily be attributed to the weather (it was raining harder/snowing in the 2nd round, being able to grip one's disc consistently became harder, and resulted in a ~1 stroke increase by the field). I would argue that the same score in the second round *should* be worth a higher rating since you're playing in more difficult conditions.

What was the weather like that day? Was it pouring rain? If you shot a 49 that day, during pouring rain, and it was the hot score, then yes, it may have been a 1030 rated round.

What pin positions were used when the course was calculated as a 49 SSA? What pin positions were used when a particular round was shot? Has the course changed since it's rating (growth, maintenance, etc)? Unless the course's SSA is continuously updated, and modified for different layouts, it becomes less meaningful. What method do we have for updating courses' SSAs on a regular basis?

As a course changes, a courses actual SSA may vary from the listed SSA, and you end up with courses that inflate or deflate ratings, depending on how accurate the SSA listed for the course vs. how the course was set up for that round.

Certainly, you can list a hypothetical situation, and show the flaws of the current rating system, but question is how realistic/likely are those hypothetical situations? Perhaps the more important question is: does the current ratings system work as a whole?

I was using my example as if it were the worlds.

at this years worlds in open there were 42 players over 1000.