gang4010
Nov 08 2007, 06:27 PM
In the last couple years, the VTI (Virginia Team Invitational) has become increasingly popular in the Mid Atlantic. I'm considering offering a similar format to help make it more available as an alternate form of play. It looks like it should be really popular!
But I'm interested in what other team formats people have used, and which were the most successful, and just some of peoples experiences with the ins and outs - goods and bads of team / match play. Ones that I've heard of - but don't know much about were teams in SOCAL and at the Cozzens resort in ?WI?.
VTI has 9 player teams - 4 seeded open, 2 master,2 adv am, and 1 women.
I'd love to see more alternatives to organized DG than just singles play. So please share your experiences here and lets see what happens! :)
junnila
Nov 08 2007, 10:22 PM
Minnesota has the Mider Cup in which our four zones (North, South, East, and West) battle it out for the title. For years we played a regular stroke-play tournament and awarded points based on your finish. We have since changed the format to match-play with 18 golfers on each zone (5 open, 2 master, 1 women, 4 adv, 3 int, 1 am master, 1 grandmaster, and 1 junior). Each player has a specific seed and plays a 12 hole match against every other zone.
Our new format is much more of a team based event in which players must qualify to play. It takes about 5 minutes to calculate points (2 pts for a win, 1 pt for a tie, 0 pts for a loss) which is substantially less than how long it used to take. Players also have a lot more faith in the reliability of the points system than they did before. All in all, I think the switch was much needed and a huge success.
JerryChesterson
Nov 09 2007, 09:34 AM
In the last couple years, the VTI (Virginia Team Invitational) has become increasingly popular in the Mid Atlantic. I'm considering offering a similar format to help make it more available as an alternate form of play. It looks like it should be really popular!
But I'm interested in what other team formats people have used, and which were the most successful, and just some of peoples experiences with the ins and outs - goods and bads of team / match play. Ones that I've heard of - but don't know much about were teams in SOCAL and at the Cozzens resort in ?WI?.
VTI has 9 player teams - 4 seeded open, 2 master,2 adv am, and 1 women.
I'd love to see more alternatives to organized DG than just singles play. So please share your experiences here and lets see what happens! :)
You might have heard of this thing called Texas Teams. 9 person teams complete in a head to head match play style tourney similar to the Ryder cup in golf. Check it out.
http://www.circularproductions.com/txteams.html
dthrow
Nov 09 2007, 10:55 AM
Hello there i played in the Sandy point team event for many years and it was a blast. The way Mike ran it was 8 teams of 12 players i believe. Each team played the other 7 teams in match play in 12 hole matches. Players were seeded 1-12 and you played the other matching seeds from each team.
The first few years ams were included the last few they were not. I thought the format worked out great. Beside the chance of being on a winning team you had the chance to earn bragging rights by beating other players.
My most memorable match was when i played Avery Jenkins, and tied him. I was putting great that match but i am known to miss some short putts. It was the last hole and i had about a 15 footer to tie the match and was super nervous. Avery made his putt that told me i could pick up mine, WOW what a relief for me, if only he knew how nervous i was.. Anyways team events are great. iF you would like more information PM me and i can get you some.
dthrow
Nov 09 2007, 11:10 AM
you said you were looking for other formats beside singles stroke play. I have ran a match play event for about 5 years called the Capital Cup. IT is a singles event.
players from each division would play 6 matches of 9 holes against other players in their division(matches were set up randomly). I then award players points for how the finish in each match, Win=4 points, Tie2points I then add up players total points after the 6 matches. I then seed players acoording to those totals( for each division) IF players are tied with points i count the total number of holes won out of the 6 matches to be the tie breaker( this makes people still try and win holes if they allready lost the match), if still tied there is a playoff for seeding. Those top players then play on Sunday in a bracket style format( number of players who play on sunday depends on how many played on sat)Seed 1 plays 8 and so on. Winners mover on, losers play consolation matches. All who play on Sunday are paid out, so when you arrive sunday you kow you are winning something its just a matter of how much.
In 08 instead of using normal division i will base the groups according to rating such as pool a 950 or higher, pool b 900- 949, C under 900.
I think this will help make it more fun for the smaller divisions such as grandmasters/ women, masters.
I think it is a great event and i think players have fun playing in it. Matchplay is my favorite format for disc golf, its like playing 18 mini tournament and 1 or 2 bad holes will not destroy your chances of cashing. If you would like more information just pm me and i can get you some.
magilla
Nov 09 2007, 11:38 AM
Hello there i played in the Sandy point team event for many years and it was a blast. The way Mike ran it was 8 teams of 12 players i believe. Each team played the other 7 teams in match play in 12 hole matches. Players were seeded 1-12 and you played the other matching seeds from each team.
This format was "adopted" from the Southwest Team Invitational played in San Diego each December. When Mike moved from Cali to Sandypoint, they started their own event.
This is one of my favorite events of the year.....
Team play & its Match Play... :D
I am bringing back a Singles Match Play event next year (IF I can ever get a date figured out??)
It is designed to have 64 players in an NCAA styled bracket.
All players seeded by Ratings initially.
I 1st ran it in '05 with 31 players at Stafford Lake, my move to Oregon put it on Hold :(
It will return HUGE.......BE THERE. :D
Lyle O Ross
Nov 09 2007, 12:56 PM
One thing to think about, I've almost never heard of any of these other team events. However, the Texas Team event is incredibly well known and incredibly popular. It brings a head to head competition between our best players and is as well attended and known as the most traditional and longest running events in the state. Just look at the Texas Teams Tournament thread.
ck34
Nov 09 2007, 01:26 PM
I think Texas (Dallas area) did send a team to Sandy Point once and didn't fare well.
keithjohnson
Nov 09 2007, 01:34 PM
One thing to think about, I've almost never heard of any of these other team events. However, the Texas Team event is incredibly well known and incredibly popular. It brings a head to head competition between our best players and is as well attended and known as the most traditional and longest running events in the state. Just look at the Texas Teams Tournament thread.
one thing to think about...you almost never read anything except texas threads, or texas posters :D
even back when i was living in florida, i heard of the texas teams, sandy point and southwest(san diego) team events and the same when biscoe started his....you HAVE to read all the threads to KNOW all of what goes on in disc golf :D:D
Lyle O Ross
Nov 09 2007, 02:36 PM
One thing to think about, I've almost never heard of any of these other team events. However, the Texas Team event is incredibly well known and incredibly popular. It brings a head to head competition between our best players and is as well attended and known as the most traditional and longest running events in the state. Just look at the Texas Teams Tournament thread.
one thing to think about...you almost never read anything except texas threads, or texas posters :D
even back when i was living in florida, i heard of the texas teams, sandy point and southwest(san diego) team events and the same when biscoe started his....you HAVE to read all the threads to KNOW all of what goes on in disc golf :D:D
You weren't supposed to notice that. :D Of course one could read that to mean that Texans have a very large impact on this Board, not untrue.
I wonder who we sent to Sandy Point and what that would mean?
ck34
Nov 09 2007, 02:48 PM
I think the captain was someone involved with VPO maybe 10 years ago? Overall, Sandy Point has mostly short technical, hilly holes in the woods with a few fun holes along the beach with OB. Not necessarily Dallas terrain or style.
tkieffer
Nov 09 2007, 02:52 PM
Would that be Team Lonestar, captain Kelly Hicks in 2000? Not sure who was on the team, but it mentions them finishing last that year:
Sandy Point Team Tournament (http://www.sandypt.com/Disc-Golf-/Team-Invitational.html)
As for what this means, I'll leave it up to your interpretation! :D
ck34
Nov 09 2007, 03:21 PM
Yep.
gang4010
Nov 20 2007, 07:44 PM
OK so it sounds like mostly the big team events actually have "big" teams. Has anybody ever done any smaller teams and had it be successful? I'm thinking along the lines of 5 or 7 person teams to allow for more teams to compete?
14506
Nov 21 2007, 12:02 AM
We did 6 man teams and every one played against the same seed in 9 - 12 hole matches. Then we did doubles. Each team could pair up their seeds however they liked, some strategy was involved here with trying to maybe get one guy some extra points or putting a super team together to ensure more wins, etc... The teams were ranked by the highest seed on that team, i.e.
Top seed # 1 & # 3
2nd seed # 2 & # 6
Last seed # 4 & # 5
And the seeded teams had their matches, we did different formats: best disc, alternate shot, alternate tee, etc...
You scored points for matches won and tied, i.e. 4 for a win, 2 for a tie.
You addded up the points each guy tallied and the team with the most points won. We also had the individual seeds compete against each other, so everyone had a chance to win something. An individual could win though his team didn't and vice versa.
It worked when the seeds on each team were comparable in skill, if the seeds for each team aren't "equal" in skill, it may be better to forego each seed having their own individual competition and focus strictly on the team aspect.
johnrhouck
Nov 21 2007, 12:15 AM
Texas Teams has a 9-player division and a 6-player division. We had almost 300 players this year.
I don't know that there's anything really new about our format, except for the team makeup... and the Mixmaster, which is a very fun format that gives teams that didn't win their pools one last chance to make the quarterfinals.
Actually, the fact that we have no payout may be unique, too. It's all for fun and pride.