Just curious--are there still some tourneys to be added to the next update?

No I believe the cut-off date was the 30th of Oct.

The 258 new events that will be included in next week's ratings update are shown online as Official but have no ratings. If the events are shown as Unofficial, the TD report either hasn't been received or came in too late to make this update.

Darn't it, can you check if the Orlando Open came in too late or hasn't been recieved yet. Thanks Chuck.

Contact Gentry at PDGA HQ on that. I never see the reports until just before each ratings update.

K, 10x.

I have one event going in and unfortunantly it knocked a few good ones out from last year so the ole rating will probably drop 2-3.

I wish Gary Lewis would turn stuff in (IL States/Channahon Classic)

I wish Gary Lewis would turn stuff in (IL States/Channahon Classic)



Yeah that happened last year too.

So anybody going to make predictions on their ratings as per the norm? I'm going to go with 945 (15 pt up).

(I wish this past weekend were going in... I'd be dropping an 866/835 that'd be over a year old and adding 998/1019... that'd put me around 954...)

i just hope i can wobble my way up a point or two
mj

925

I went down down down, down into a ring of fire...And that ring is the 990's...I think...I play to well in nonsanctioned events, and burn out my Juice for the pdga's...Will Bard go down? Will we be tied once again. Will the swedish brothers maintain their strangle hold on the highest rated brothers? I fear they will....

I'm not sure what is going to drop for me, but I hope I make it up into the 990s. I think I will. 991 is official prediction.

I may stay about the same even with some good rounds leaving due to the fact that DGLO will no longer be doubled and the rounds that are average a good bit above my rating.

OK I'll say down 1 to 1004 then a big jump at the end of the year to 1009. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

If my last 2 tournaments had been added id be going UP but since the TD slacked and didnt get them in I will most likely be going down even though I am playing the best golf of my life and averaged 995 for my last 4 tournaments. Oh well!!!

I went down down down, down into a ring of fire...And that ring is the 990's...I think...I play to well in nonsanctioned events, and burn out my Juice for the pdga's...Will Bard go down? Will we be tied once again. Will the swedish brothers maintain their strangle hold on the highest rated brothers? I fear they will....

sounds like Sonderfan syndrome.

1006

i'm gonna go with 1021 as my final thought on this one

998.

are all events over a year old dropped...?

I might bump up a bit, couple short techy event courses...
Ill say 958... but its inflated :o

All rounds more than 12 months older than the date of each player's most recently rated round are dropped. So each player's 12-month period can be different. We only go back up to 12 months more if a player has fewer than 8 rounds in their most recent 12-month period until we find at least 8 rounds.

So Chuck, All my rated rounds pre Nov 11-06 will be dropped?

Tank - actually by the looks of it the most recent rounds that will be included in this ratings update for you are the Colorado State Championships. Therefore everything older than October 15, 2006 will be dropped.

cool, thanks bro...

great new name there tanky

any chance of an early release?

The earliest we would ever release it will be Noon on Mondays. That's assuming we have no correction tweaks discovered in the draft over the weekend.

thanks Chuck

Dang, If all my '06's dropped, I would be like 1010. Got some nasty 950's rounds that need to go bye-bye..

So I'm guessin' 1006-1007, hopefully

Maybe a 1 point drop for me, if not dead even.

Dang, If all my '06's dropped, I would be like 1010. Got some nasty 950's rounds that need to go bye-bye



I'd be more than happy to take them off of your hands...

Dang, If all my '06's dropped, I would be like 1010. Got some nasty 950's rounds that need to go bye-bye..

So I'm guessin' 1006-1007, hopefully


I'll trade you my 2006 850s rounds. :D

Got some nasty 950's rounds that need to go bye-bye..




Nasty to some may be gold to others.

Tennis elbow killed my 2nd rounds for a couple of tourneys. Assuming two rounds don't count and the unofficial ratings were close...I drop 3 pts to 969.

Any chance of ratings release today?

hoping for a noon release today!

me to.

maybe noon in Hawaii???

Hey Matt, hows that van doing, still Twisted on the back of it? :D

Looks like no noon release. Le sigh. Tomorrow :)

Hey Matt, hows that van doing, still Twisted on the back of it? :D



So that was YOU who stuck it on there! Yep, still twisted.

Don't all of the updates come through at once??? all of my buddies are updated except for me..(23474 if anyone's listening....at 2:53pm est)

w00t 947! I'm always happy to be off by a few points in my guesstimate if it comes out higher :D Now I can't wait to drop those six rounds averaging to 884 next update!

wow...im up/

Don't all of the updates come through at once??? all of my buddies are updated except for me..(23474 if anyone's listening....at 2:53pm est)



Your rating wont change since you dont have any round to update. The rounds that fall off only fall off one year after your last rated round.

I'm not sure what is going to drop for me, but I hope I make it up into the 990s. I think I will. 991 is official prediction.



989 - my standard deviation increased, so I added a 917 round the wasn't previously in there, ouch. But it will drop in the next update entirely. Whats with the Lava Launch results? I thought we combined all of day one in to 1 rating, and day two was another rating...if that sticks, Nate Sexton got scr /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gifd

I do have two rounds to report from August at the Battle Creek Championships. I was hoping i could get those involved considering they were rated 963 and 1003.
help.
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad:

The TD didnt report the tournament in time for this ratings. They will be on the next ratings if the TD reports them in time.

Are there extra step to report it? The tourney has been posted since a week after it ended....Sept 16th BTW.

I was wondering about those Kzoo events too!

The TD report needs to be filled out and money paid. Uploaded scores is not sufficient.

If you click the link for the tournament

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=6513

It shows unoffical results and not offical results

Correct, I believe our question for the Kalamazoo, and the Battle Creek Championships is to Larry, Or Terry who were involved as the TD and/or report filler-outer-man.

Have these been payed for? The scores have obviously been reported. This has never been a problem for Kzoo tournaments.

Seeing scores online does not mean they have been reported, just uploaded for display by the TD. Those scores are not connected with the official scores which only get posted by Gentry after being entered to the PDGA database from the official TD report.

Ok, so the official scores have not been reported. Does the PDGA remind these TD's when a report has not been recieved?

Yes. Regular emails go out from HQ once event reports are tardy. Then sometimes phone calls are involved.

chuck did you get my PM?

Yep. I don't do corrections though. Gentry fields all of the adjustment issues and passes them onto Roger where needed.

did you pass that info on or do you need me to?

Yes. Regular emails go out from HQ once event reports are tardy. Then sometimes phone calls are involved.



As well as not-so-gentle reminders from local tourney participants.

Yes, I passed it on.

thanks!

Chuck,

I was curious if you all ever considered displaying the player's player rating - at the time the event was played - with the results when one views old tournament results. It would be interesting to see a "where were they then" picture sometimes. Anyway, just wondering..

Dave

Not Chuck, but they have and are looking into it, I think. It's more to do with the tricky coding than anything else.

This feature has been requested for at least a couple of years now. I wouldn't hold your breath.

I remember seeing a interesting thing once. Sort of a where you are now in relation to the world... It was a ranking based on all the players in your class, ie; Pro or Am. I thought that was interesting. It only appeared next to rating for a day and then it was removed. For example It read something like rank 1500 out of 6800 current Ams. But it vanished as quickly as it appeared....? Weird

I remember seeing a interesting thing once. Sort of a where you are now in relation to the world... It was a ranking based on all the players in your class, ie; Pro or Am. I thought that was interesting. It only appeared next to rating for a day and then it was removed. For example It read something like rank 1500 out of 6800 current Ams. But it vanished as quickly as it appeared....? Weird



I liked that feature too, it also had the date you joined the PDGA under your name. I heard some people complained that the info was too "personal" and requested it be removed.....silly.

It does seem silly, since you can infer alot based on the players number anyway.... I'm 26175 and that puts me in the joined in early part of 2005 category. You can also look up your rating and figure out your current rank using the player rating page, but it is a hassle if you are like me, a 908 rated player. It takes forever. I wish the rating page had a search feature for a particular ratings range. It is so hard to access the ratings that it's kind of a useless feature. Maybe someday...

Do C tier events not get counted? I was in a C tier in September but it didn't get included in my rating.

It was the Santa Maria Fall Open on September 29th.

Do C tier events not get counted? I was in a C tier in September but it didn't get included in my rating.

It was the Santa Maria Fall Open on September 29th.




Results are listed as unofficial - which means the TD report or event money has not been turned into the HQ. Check/Pester the TD.

The good news is that more work will be done on improving the website technology and you'll see the results emerging next year. Freezing a player's rating at the time of the event is definitely in the mix of improvements.

Should a 963 rated golfer have an 855 rated round counted on their rating? Bad day but Dayum

if it falls within the constraints of the ratings system, then yeah... 2.5x the std. deviation below the average is the cutoff, IIRC

The 2.5SD or 100pt drop calculation is done before double weighting the most recent rounds. So, it's possible to have a regular average of 954 before double weighting to get 963, especially for fast improving players and those with fewer rounds.

so it's 2.5SD *or* 100 pts? I think I missed that part. I know it used to be an 85th percentile rule, then I re-read and found out the 2.5SD change... I don't remember seeing the 100pt rule.

Doesn't really matter to me, honestly. I think the ratings system should be left the way it was originally. not because I think that's a better method, just because I think that once a method is established, the rating it produces comes with all the caveats of the method. Players should understand that when considering the rating, and as long as everyone's rating is calculated the same way... it's perfectly fair.

I know it's your system, I'm just saying. people complain too much about ratings calculations :)

It's 2.5sd or 100 pts whichever is smaller.

It's 2.5sd or 100 pts whichever is smaller.

Chuck, just a couple weeks ago didn't you swear off posting?

I'm only doing announcement type posts as needed. There are some things I need to post due to ratings and committee responsibilities.

My personal prediction... 954. :D :D ;)


-Chris.

Will this months tournaments be included in the update?

No. The update at the end of January is always the wrap-up of the previous year's events only. First update for a new year has been in April for the past several years now.

OK..thanks Chuck!

I know I had to go up.

I'm fairly confident I'm over 980 now. My guess is....

shot in the dark here....

982.

I'm only doing announcement type posts as needed. There are some things I need to post due to ratings and committee responsibilities.

I know. It's like trying to quit the crack pipe. :D

Most New Year's resolutions tend to fizzle out about now. Chuck's no different from the rest of us.

Chuck, as I understand it the ratings on rounds over one year old are dropped assuming you have the minimum number of rounds required. Would a tournament from 1/20/2007 be dropped from the 1/29/08 rating next week since it's over one year old. thanks

Read my post up the page on what events are included in the next update. Rounds more than 12 months older than the date of your most recent officially rated event are dropped.

any chance of an early release for this update?

My guess is 993.

Next rating update should get me real close to 1000, that is, if I do well at a tournament more than 365 days from the Pro Crosstown. My worst event last year.

my guess is 938...boo on going down

My guess is 993.

Next rating update should get me real close to 1000, that is, if I do well at a tournament more than 365 days from the Pro Crosstown. My worst event last year.


What about Yadkin Oh wait you didn't finish

doh!

it wouldn't have been worse than the Crosstown. Crosstown was way bad.

985

At this rate, I might break a 1000 before I'm 50 :0

nice RKelly... and you can remove the (If you want to call THAT a rating!) ;)

Done

nice new sig.

I like it!

FYI - I see a few events from more than 12 months ago included in several ratings (people who have more than 10 rounds).

FYI - I see a few events from more than 12 months ago included in several ratings (people who have more than 10 rounds).

You have to look at the date of their most recently rated round and go 12 months back from that, not 12 months from Dec 31.

How can it be that my rating stayed the same when the only tourney used in this rating was rated higher? Just trying to understand the system/formula.

Thanks for all the time and effort Chuck!

I dont know how but my worst round was ADDED to my list of tourneys (as in it wasnt there yesterday...) and my rating still went up? What do you think Chuck?

Your rating actually went up slightly from 912.69 to 913.48 with both rounded to 913. Congrats! Your last rating had the 7 rounds from Am Champs and Upstate double-weighted. This rating had all rounds from Bull City and Am Champs plus your best two from Upstate double weighted.

Your 353 wasn't included in the latest update and had no impact on your rating either way. I don't know what was in there yesterday. There are always a few corrections going on for previous events that can cause someone's stats to change besides any new events that get included.

OUCH! I went from a 1000 rated player to a 990 rated player with the 1 tournament i played in 2007. :confused:

*rant on*

It sucks that the 2 strokes i incurred for turning in the wrong scorecard was rated. Penalize me once fine, penalizing me twice isn't too cool. :D

*rant off*

Yes it does but valid nonetheless. I would like to see an extra column where penalties not specific to play could be entered to make sure the total score for each player stays correct but have each round score only be your score for actual play.

*rant on*

It sucks that the 2 strokes i incurred for turning in the wrong scorecard was rated. Penalize me once fine, penalizing me twice isn't too cool. :D

*rant off*



Turning in a proper scorecard is and should remain an important part of the game, therefore, turning in an improper scorecard *should* affect your rating adversely.

Yes it does but valid nonetheless. I would like to see an extra column where penalties not specific to play could be entered to make sure the total score for each player stays correct but have each round score only be your score for actual play.



Agreed!

*rant on*

It sucks that the 2 strokes i incurred for turning in the wrong scorecard was rated. Penalize me once fine, penalizing me twice isn't too cool. :D

*rant off*



Turning in a proper scorecard is and should remain an important part of the game, therefore, turning in an improper scorecard *should* affect your rating adversely.



Boooooooooooooooo. Hissssssssssssssss! :D

OUCH! I went from a 1000 rated player to a 990 rated player with the 1 tournament i played in 2007. :confused:


woohoo! when myhero was rated 1000 I had no chance of beating him... now that he's a lowly 990, he's a sitting duck :D

Chuck,

I am a newbie to the whole ratings subject, and tried to PM you, but wasn't able to (blocked), so here it goes.

Could you please take a look at the results/round ratings for the 2007 Octoberfest Event in Red Rock, TX. It seems as though the entire intermediate field has round ratings that are inconsistent with the rest of the fields.

Quick Example:

Round 3 all fields shot from the same tees on the same course (Ian's course is Moody's course in reverse; only one tee option). I, Caley Thomas, recieved a 964 rated round for a score of 71.

On the same course, at the same time, from the same tees, Leon Gillard iv, playing open, recieved a 900 rated round for a score of 71.

Is this correct?

OUCH! I went from a 1000 rated player to a 990 rated player with the 1 tournament i played in 2007. :confused:


woohoo! when myhero was rated 1000 I had no chance of beating him... now that he's a lowly 990, he's a sitting duck :D



I deserved the ratings drop, but the duck comment from BBD!?!?!? :D
http://www.stanford.edu/~riepel/sitduck.jpg

*rant on*

It sucks that the 2 strokes i incurred for turning in the wrong scorecard was rated. Penalize me once fine, penalizing me twice isn't too cool. :D

*rant off*



Turning in a proper scorecard is and should remain an important part of the game, therefore, turning in an improper scorecard *should* affect your rating adversely.



Boooooooooooooooo. Hissssssssssssssss! :D



Could have been worse, you could have been DQ'ed. ;)

Could have been worse, you could have been DQ'ed.



A DQ would have been better for the ratings cuz the round wouldn't have counted.:DIt was the noble thing to do; read the rule, call myself, stroke myself, drop to last place cash, then drop 10 points in the next ratings update. :D

I deserved the ratings drop, but the duck comment from BBD!?!?!? :D


don't make me fire one 'cross yer bow just to teach you a lesson :cool:

I deserved the ratings drop, but the duck comment from BBD!?!?!? :D


don't make me fire one 'cross yer bow just to teach you a lesson :cool:


"I said across their nose, not UP it!"

Where do I report a ratings error? The ratings for the intermediate women for the First Colony Open I (Dec 1st 2007) are not correct.

1st round
Nicole's 1st round rating is listed as 934. This is wrong since the Intermediate women played from the short tees and were the only division to play from the short tees. The 1st round should not be rated.

2nd round
Nicole's 2nd round rating is listed as 620. This is wrong since the intermediate women played from the long tees (just like everyone else). The ratings for this round seem to go up or down by 10 points per stoke. Therefore if a 68 has a rating of 812, then a 70 should have a rating of 791 or 792. So Nicole's second round rating should be around 791, not 620.

Thanks..........Rick

Your rating actually went up slightly from 912.69 to 913.48 with both rounded to 913. Congrats!



That's what I'm talkin about! Gettin' better everyday! LOL
Maybe next update I'll make it to 914 even. ;) :D

Your rating actually went up slightly from 912.69 to 913.48 with both rounded to 913. Congrats!



That's what I'm talkin about! Gettin' better everyday! LOL
Maybe next update I'll make it to 914 even. ;) :D



Lets not push it.

Your rating actually went up slightly from 912.69 to 913.48 with both rounded to 913. Congrats!



That's what I'm talkin about! Gettin' better everyday! LOL
Maybe next update I'll make it to 914 even. ;) :D



Strive for greatness. 914.432

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Your rating actually went up slightly from 912.69 to 913.48 with both rounded to 913. Congrats!



dang Snapp...one stroke woulda put you over the hump fer sure, rounding sucks.

Your rating actually went up slightly from 912.69 to 913.48 with both rounded to 913. Congrats!



That's what I'm talkin about! Gettin' better everyday! LOL
Maybe next update I'll make it to 914 even. ;) :D



Strive for greatness. 914.432



If I can get to 915, maybe I can then be considered a "Solid" Intermediate that is playing advanced. ;)

Solid Intermediate



oxymoron

oxymoron, a moron that uses oxy clean to rid of his/her pimples.

AKA. a personal attack. :D

oxymoron, a moron that uses oxy clean to rid of his/her pimples.

AKA. a personal attack. :D



clever

Solid Intermediate



oxymoron



I know you just screwed around the second round, but didn't this "oxymoron" shoot the same first round as you did at the Winter Jam??? :o;) :D

And yes, Solid intermediate may be an oxymoron to some "pro" players, but imo, In each golfers respective division the are solid golfers. I believe am a solid golfer who is playing up in advanced and who cashed in the pro division at the first Homegrown of the year. So yeah, I think I'm a solid intermediate. ;)

Solid Intermediate



oxymoron



Solid Intermediate should be on THIS LIST... http://www.oxymoronlist.com/

If 22 points below the Advanced ratings break is "solid" that means 22 points below Climo might be a "solid" pro around 1017. Sounds like under 1010 might be a "shaky pro" and under 990 would have to be something like "suspect pro"? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I'm giving ya crap dog.

I know......it's all good.
Just having a little fun!