With everyone being so busy these days why are there not more one day events. This would also let more events happen as far as scheduling. This is my dilemma just bought a house and I have a baby girl oh and a wife..... so it's really hard to put everything on the back burner for the whole weekend. I have heard TD's say it is a just as easy to run a 2 day event as a one day event but you make more on a 2 day event. I would think it is easier for people to commit to a one day event than a 2 day event. I was just wondering what other people thought on the subject.

one day events are increasing as a percent of total events. as of end of july, 1 day events were at 49% of all events, up from 45% in 2005 and 47% in 2006.

I wounder what the stats for north texas sanctioned events would be? I can think of one maybe 2 this past year :(

hmmm... looks like your sense is correct... one days in TX have dropped off a bit.

year - 1day - 2day
2007 - 17 - 30
2006 - 14 - 33
2005 - 26 - 32
2004 - 27 - 32
2003 - 21 - 31
2002 - 12 - 25
2001 - 3 - 29

of the 17 how many of those where in the metro plex?

Poison Ivy Open - Adv/Rec Grapevine
Poison Ivy Open - Pro/Int Grapevine
Big Show Mid Week Event - Arlington
FlyNHighDiscGolf.com - LSS - Macgregor Houston
FlynHighDiscGolf.com - LSS - Pleasure Island Port Arthur
FlyNHighDiscGolf.com - LSS - Tom Bass Houston
FlyNHighDiscGolf.com - LSS - Temple Temple
South Texas Shootout Beeville
North Texas Series Event #8 - Crawford Park Dallas
Games of Texas Leander
Father's Day Fling Lubbock
Shule School Ingleside
Gonzales Open Gonzales
Sleeper 3 Dripping Springs
Gonzales Re-Open Gonzales
Jennifer Beazley Benefit Houston
Spring Valley III Spring

I have heard TD's say it is a just as easy to run a 2 day event as a one day event but you make more on a 2 day event.



Where did you hear this? How much do you make? I think TD's would rather run a 2 day because a 1 day event is harder work since you have less time to get everything done and everyone home.

btw....the information about TD's provided above comes from my last 4 years and about 25 events in that time frame.

Can't speak for Texas, but up here many of the two day tournaments are actually one day for the players, i.e. Ams on Saturday, Pros on Sunday. So, although they may look like two day tournaments on a report, they really aren't so for the players.

Oh, and welcome to parenthood, home ownership and marriage. Yes, they will all contribute to a decline in your disc golf game! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I understand the reason some TD's do it just wish there where more one day events in the dallas-fortworth area. So the only reason they are 1 day verse 2day is because it is harder on the TD? I dont mean this in a bad way just asking. I would think that a TD would have more people come to a one day event if they had the same size pot as a 2 day tourney.

Almost all of the tournaments in the great Lakes states are one-day events. Many, like Tim said, are two identically named one-day events where different divisions play each day. Other than the M/NT/As I cannot think of any two day events besides the Michigan State Championship.

I wish it was that way around here :D

I have a question about one day tourneys... Should the entry fee be lower than that of a two day?
I'd think they should be, but after traveling abt 2 hours for a one day 2 weekends ago, I was shocked and a little mad that a one day tourney had an entry fee of $55 for the advanced division, with a custom hotstamped DX Roc for the players package. It was my own fault for not checking the flyer, but I expressed my disappointment and told them I wouldn't be back to play any of their events.
I may be spoiled from Bowling Green entry fees and player packs, where you rarely pay over $40 for a 2 day event and get at least a premium disc.

Does anyone else think that seems a little steep?

If anything, the entry fee could be higher for the 1-day event versus 2-day since you're "saving" a night's lodging expense. I always thought C-tiers should be usually one day anyway since it seems like 3 or 4 rounds is more than needed for a C-tier.

If anything, the entry fee could be higher for the 1-day event versus 2-day since you're "saving" a night's lodging expense.



So the money I save should line the PDGA's pocket :confused: Thats like saying a smaller bag of chips should cost the same as a big bag because it still a chip.... see that makes no sense to me. I think you should pay for what you are getting!

How does the PDGA make more? The amount the PDGA makes is based on the tier level, not how many rounds you play.

sorry ment the TD.... anyways I would pay the same if they had the option around here to play one day sanctioned events.

you still never answered my question :p why should it be higher for a one day event?

I think big market areas like Texas will soon need more one day events to handle the growth in tournament players in general. Unless you run 2 or more courses, you can't really handle more than 90 players. That kind of caps your growth in the area if they are mostly 2-day events that eat up the whole weekend.

thats kind of another good point I was hinting at :Dmore options means more people. There are a lot of people that cant spend a whole weekend golfing but I really wish I could. :(

why should it be higher for a one day event?



I didn't say it should be. But I don't see why the economics don't support equal or higher entry fees if players are getting value for their fees. That's what counts. If playing more rounds is what you're looking for as value, then maybe you wouldn't consider that worthwhile. However, I think many players, especially those with families would value their time and the cost of staying overnight higher than the number of rounds and would prefer a concentrated disc golf experience all in one day. Almost half our members are now over 40. Places like Ann Arbor where they have 24-hole layouts can have 48-hole events in one day that are more than enough golf for many.

one common standard by which to measure the value of entertainment is against the hourly cost of a typical movie experience.

you take the cost of the ticket plus average expenses (food, drinks) divided by the number of hours. an $8 ticket and a $10 munchie budget for a 3 hour experience yields $6/hour.

a two round event lasts between 6 and 8 hours, depending on how you view lunchtime. lets use 7 just for giggles. a $50 pricetag give us a shade of $7/hour. because its more than a movie, it will likely face increased resistance.

but a two day, four round event drops to around $3.50, a remarkable bargain comparing to the movie benchmark.

theres all ways to look at this... some might consider the experience to include the whole trip from, the time they pull out of the driveway til they are back... two nights hotel at $80 per night, plus $50 for gas, plus $50 for playing, plus $50 for food... you can easily get to $300 for a weekend that includes a hotel. but... $300/50 hours and you are right back at the $6/hour mark.

i really do not see how charging more for a one day event makes any kind of common or economic sense at all.

Pat, your MBA is slipping a bit here. There are payouts that reduce the net cost. If the same payout occurs in one day versus 2 days, all you have is more cost by adding the second day. Likewise,even if watching another movie in the theater cost the same or even a little less, that doesn't mean people want to do it. The value of doing the same thing more than the amount of time desired decreases for many if not most.

maybe as an incentive for the TD to work a little harder to pull off one day event :D

If there was a one day event x miles away and a two day event on the same weekend about the same miles. I would chose the two day event.

There's another value judgment involved pertaining to ratings. The more rounds played and the lower a player is rated in the division, the less chance that player will end up in the cash or prizes. That's why many don't mind playing against tougher players in one round leagues because the range of scores is wide enough that there's a better chance for a lower rated player to win something. Likewise, for a 2 round versus 3 or 4 round event. So from a net financial assessment on the risk/reward of getting any return on your entry fee, more players would be likely to enter a 2-round, one day event than a two day event. More participation is a win-win for players and TDs plus allows more events to serve more players in the area.

If there was a one day event x miles away and a two day event on the same weekend about the same miles. I would chose the two day event.



Not all players make decisions based on economics if they don't have to. What if there were two 1-day events each within 2 hours on the same weekend as another 2-day event within 2 hours with no added cash in any?

we used that model with our VCs in silicon valley in the 90s, chuck. our application was in pricing CD-ROMs for a stable of publishers. the VCs introduced us to the idea because they used it in forming general pricing strategies across a wide range of entertainment and discretionary activities.

is it my mba or your comprehension? i dont mean that mailiciously, it just that if you add a second day you also add more hours. for a local tournament you'd add only time and no cost at all. sleep on a friends floor on a trip and again all you add is hours.

its a general rule of thumb, not a detailed model. if a player was fairly certain of cashing, then sure, for that person the hourly cost would come down, making it more favorable than a movie, thus encouraging participation. you could also include babysitting, the difference between a fancy hotel and sleeping on a friends floor, whatever works for you. my example was a horribly generalized composite average player meant to illustrate the approach. i'll put it in the "failed" column :)

Not all players make decisions based on economics if they don't have to. What if there were two 1-day events each within 2 hours on the same weekend as another 2-day event within 2 hours with no added cash in any?

you've made the economics equal by talking about added cash :D

It's hard to create an equivalent choice in this situation but around here, 2-day events are usually B-tiers that involve added cash. We have several weekends with interwoven 1-day events so you can play a C-tier in essentially the same location on Saturday and another on Sunday. If I'm able to play all weekend, it's much more interesting and increases my chances to cash by playing back-to-back events with separate entry fees than a single 2-day B-tier.

is it my mba or your comprehension? i dont mean that mailiciously, it just that if you add a second day you also add more hours.



I understand the model. But watching a movie doesn't provide the potential for any direct cash or prize payback. That probability needs to be included in the calculations you made. If entry fees are completely paid back in retail or even more, the the entry fee drops out of the financial calculation on average. Each player though has different potential paybacks based on where they are rated in the division. If a higher level regional pro can play two C-tiers reasonably close by in a weekend instead of one C-tier, the economics would favor playing both.

yes. you probably also have a near certainty of cashing, which lowers your projected cost/hour.

have you tried this yet? show some numbers... make up some hypothetical or idealized or self-based numbers and see how it works out. i'd be interested in seeing them, just to see how you are looking at it.

Look at the back-to-back B-tiers in week May 16-22 at Tower Ridge and Wakanda. In addition, the Pro Worlds Warm-Ups on June 30-Jul 1. It's just a better value for players who play two days and can afford it and also offers a more tiem and cost effective option for those who can only play one day. The other consideration is that when there's only one event with divisions split on each day (which is more commno), some Intermediates can play Advanced the next day for a 2-day weekend.

The plan next year around here is to have MPO, MA2, and MA4 play on Saturday, the others play on Sunday. Pretty much everyone except the young high rated pros can double dip if they want.

mike, what entry fees are you charging?

The plan next year around here is to have MPO, MA2, and MA4 play on Saturday, the others play on Sunday. Pretty much everyone except the young high rated pros can double dip if they want.



This is one option I was hoping some TDs would pursue. It provides lots of flexibility for player choices and the double dip for those who want both days. Both Expert and Open will likely be larger than the 2007 structure.

I wish TD's in the area would catch on to this....... MACE :D

Wouldn't one-round tourneys be a logical extension of this theory/model?

For example, I might have a better chance of cashing on a particular course in a particular layout (long vs. short, or whatever). Wouldn't this provide the most options for players?

I'm not the one setting the prices, but this past year it was $15-$40 depending on division, pre-reg/day-of and full-fee/trophy-only.

The split chosen (in addition to allowing double dipping), also gives the most even numbers between days based on the turnouts over the past two years. It would behoove any TD running split days to figure out how the numbers will balance with the new division breaks.

We are going with similar entry fees this year. We're dropping trophy-only for pros and implementing half-in instead. Half the entry fee, half the payout, all the fun.

I'm going to lobby for a three entry fee structure. On Open-2-4 Saturday the Open players would pay the same entry fee as in 2007, and the 2s and 4s would pay the 2007 lower amateur entry fee. On 1-3-age-gender Sunday, the 1s and pros would pay the Advanced entry fee and the 3s and other amateurs would pay the amateur entry fee.

Do Ams paying the "half-in" in Open potentially win half in merch? Can ams or pros pay "half-in" into the other Pro divisions including Women?

I think big market areas like Texas will soon need more one day events to handle the growth in tournament players in general. Unless you run 2 or more courses, you can't really handle more than 90 players. That kind of caps your growth in the area if they are mostly 2-day events that eat up the whole weekend.



We had about 20 more 1-day events the last few years, but the sanctioned LSS has fallen apart and the unsanctioned TX10 stopped. No one as of yet has effectively replaced John and I'm not sure the status of the TX10 for 2008.

With everyone being so busy these days why are there not more one day events. This would also let more events happen as far as scheduling. This is my dilemma just bought a house and I have a baby girl oh and a wife..... so it's really hard to put everything on the back burner for the whole weekend. I have heard TD's say it is a just as easy to run a 2 day event as a one day event but you make more on a 2 day event. I would think it is easier for people to commit to a one day event than a 2 day event. I was just wondering what other people thought on the subject.



We just had or State Tournament Directors meeting a few weeks ago. We asked the same question. And we came up with the idea that we want to encourage two day events because it brings in more money to the town in lodging, food, entertainment, etc. Which makes sponsoring a tourney more profitable to the sponsors. If only on day events no one spends money on hotels, they don't go out to eat after, and they don't stay around and enjoy the town.
I agree more one day events should be held, but we are trying to make it happen on a local level. You will not get the big sponsors but if your looking for a one day event that is easy to make and get back home, there you have it. Talk to your local clubs about running monthly tournaments. You can have them at different courses in your area. And even try different formats, doubles, team events, and handicaps, etc.
We hold a monthly tournament in Jacksonville every month, the money paid out is equal or greater than that of a C-tier event. We do not get PDGA sanctioning but it would not be difficult to do for all our monthly events.

hmmm... looks like your sense is correct... one days in TX have dropped off a bit.

year - 1day - 2day
2007 - 17 - 30
2006 - 14 - 33
2005 - 26 - 32
2004 - 27 - 32
2003 - 21 - 31
2002 - 12 - 25
2001 - 3 - 29



They fell off because of Gimp not running the Gulf coast events anymore.

do you still play Frisbee? speaking of one day theres one next weekend...Spring Valley, you going to make it or what?

do you still play Frisbee? speaking of one day theres one next weekend...Spring Valley, you going to make it or what?



Yeah I want my #1 tag back. Can you play today?