of all discers, who has the biggest arm?
avery?
horne?
???

Christian Sandstrom

Avery. Discussion over.

are we talking distance d or golf d?

what is the difference?
i am not talking about 360 degree drive with tail wind and no accuracy...
who can throw the farthest but still accurate...

Avery. Discussion over.



Yup.

markus has the best golf D.

Avery cant throw a pirhana 350 and a roc 450 like Markus.

however, avery has the best controlled d.

he can throw a roc 450!!! time to start hittin the roid's :eek:

Billy Lund can push 450 with a Roc.

Tyler horne can take a two step run up and throw 500+. And I doubt anyone can throw a spike like him either.

ive seen him throw before thats why i put him up there, he can bomb for sure, but so can you rauch. gaige was talkin you up final round bowling green.

Avery cant throw a pirhana 350 and a roc 450 like Markus.




I'd be willing to bet you're wrong. :)

Billy Lund can push 450 with a Roc.



I'd bet he could throw a Coyote further...

....then i'd be scared to see them toss a DevilHawk.

....then i'd be scared to see them toss a DevilHawk.



OH SNAP!!! That was a perfect time to break out the ole devilhawk...LMAO!

ive seen him throw before thats why i put him up there, he can bomb for sure, but so can you rauch. gaige was talkin you up final round bowling green.



Yeah but I played horrible in the actual finals :)

at least you made it, i went from 5th to 32nd :mad:

Other big arms I have seen
Mike Robinson
Coda
and Bunnell
Brinster has huge golf D as well.

Sandstrom can throw farther than all of em...Hands down...If you dont know that, then you dont know distance...Distance is before accuracy, because if you cant get there, your not as close as him anyway....He can throw over 800 ft guys...flat...thats that...watch out for LInus and bobby cowperthwait in the future of distance.

Come watch Christian at Pro Worlds in both distance and on the par 6 Highbridge Gold 8 at 1335 and see how far he goes. We can see if Avery or others can match him.

George Smith has the longest arms of anyone! Anything within the 10m circle is a drop in.

(oh... you are talking driving distance....)

We will see at USDGC this year Sandstrom will be there.

linus will be up there very very soon. unfortunately, my dad videotaped me throwing with him in the distance competition in flagstaff. apparently a 425+ golf shot means nothing compared to a 500+ S shot from the swede. i don't have the mentality and technique for super long driving i guess.

Linus may be playing in PW2007 and throwing for a Junior distance record with Latitude 64 discs if they can work out the arrangements.

What about Nolan and Coda?

They can both bomb and put it where they want it.

Oh yeah, good point Smitty. Nolan and Coda are freaks of nature.

I would say Avery is currently the best distance player because I know he can throw 600 feet where he wants and his resume is solid.

BTW: Don't be suprised if Coda Hatfield makes a run for POY. Dude is playing some really solid golf right now.

my pump is pretty deep, 500+ beats your average golfer

I've seen Coda PARK holes up to 550+ and throw 600 +.That guy is an incredible golfer and I think a future World Champ(soon).

I know that Bunnell can throw wizards over 400, so I would bet he could probably throw a roc 450.

Mike Robinson over threw hole 1 at Walnut Ridge with a wizard during the challenge. Hole 1 measures out at I do believe 402 ft. Granted, it was after his round was over, but that is still one hell of a shot with a Wizard.

Great thread! There's nothing like a good pissing contest using someone else's weiner.

Great point Lou.

Great thread! There's nothing like a good pissing contest using someone else's weiner.


I gotta agree...good point.

anyone have a link to a disc golf distance competition video?

You might find this site helpful with videos of several top throwers driving:
http://www.discgolfreview.com/resources/throwanalysis.shtml

Robbie Bratten throws, pretty far, I would have to put him right behind Christian Sandstorm.

Hey Chuck - Noticed you said 1334 for Gold 8, did you guys shorten it up?

1335 is the current official distance. It might be longer but we're not saying...

I've watched Cory Justice bomb Magnets 425', I think he might have the longest tournamnet ace?

in a couple of years i see Mile Seaborn of ft worth pumping 600+.
the only reason it will be in a couple of years is he's young.
i would put money on him out driving any texas disc golfer. (not that we have a bunch of huge arms)

Sandstrom for PURE D
Avery, Coda, and Kallstrom for Golf D
Bratten for ALL KINDS OF D

Oh and Billy Lund can throw far for a guy who likes other guys!!!

Oh and Billy Lund can throw far for a guy who likes other guys!!!


:eek:
LMFAO!

That is hilarious!!

Please dont tell me that you guys have already forgotten about NOLAN GRIDER. He throws an Aero longer than most people throw their MAX - D drivers.....

in a couple of years i see Mile Seaborn of ft worth pumping 600+.
the only reason it will be in a couple of years is he's young.
i would put money on him out driving any texas disc golfer. (not that we have a bunch of huge arms)



I'll take your bet on that one.... Nolan Grider or Robbie Bratten, take your pick. Reason being, I know both can throw over 600 right now (pure distance, not golf distance). :D

Seriously though, that's awesome we've got another big gun coming up through the ranks in TX.

I'll call out some Georgia boys. In no particular order:

Phil Arthur
Tim Ellis
Craig Leyva

Frank da Tank


OH WAIT, I thought you actually meant the biggest arms!

These are your measuring sticks.

Best sidearm D - No one comes close to Stokley
Best overhand D - Schweb
Best mini D - Voight 350+
Best putter D - Mark Bruce aka Discgolfdude and Leyva, Bruce is documented over 550 with an AERO.
Best control D - Avery, Nolan and Brinster. Both Nolan and Brinster have carded a 3 on hole #5 Withrop Gold.
Best overall D - Jarvis and Sandstrom, Sandstrom has the record but also had a tailwind. Jarvis broke 800 20 minutes before Sandstrom and had no wind.
Best message board D - LMAO seems like everyone can easily throw 500 plus on here.

What is long sidearem distance? I don't really know. Local am player John Lecy has thrown a little over 500 with a side arm. Anyone know what the record is.

I don't think anyone has gotten over 600. I think Stokely got to at least 550.

For a while my dream was to set the sidearm distance record, but I topped out at about 475 before I started loosing feeling in my arm...so I settled for that. I've been hitting that consistently with the TRX, and about 500 with the Z Surge lately in this warm weather using the trusty 360 (backhand that is). I got to watch Kallstrom throw a lot in the last couple weeks, my vote goes to him. Sorry Avery.

I've heard rumors of Bennett hitting 580 in practice... but never seen it.

I'll call out some Georgia boys. In no particular order:

Phil Arthur
Tim Ellis
Craig Leyva



Leyva got's the biggest gun out of that group. Dude pumps a firebird like no other.

You'd be surprised. On any given day, any of those guys can out throw each other.

Craig Leyva can throw a putter further than most can throw a driver, but I would have to give my vote to Tim Ellis for the biggest arm in GA...

Craig Leyva learded big D in the big state of Texas....yah are lucky to have him

What is long sidearem distance? I don't really know. Local am player John Lecy has thrown a little over 500 with a side arm. Anyone know what the record is.



I've gotten close to 600 ...with a forehand roller... ;)

I have to echo who ever said, "any given day". That's a fact. However, I do have to throw my votes in:
Kallstrom- Pure d
Avery- controlled d
Sidearm-not too sure but Andrew Rich has a pretty good one.
Rico-Just amazing with a putter. He's definitely not given enough credit for his skills.
Women-toss up between Jenkins and Korver. Juliana is so smooth, her power is deceptive.

Jenkins... *shudder* I remember when I was a rec player in August of 05, just starting out. I played the Firelands Open in Norwalk, Ohio. The women's CTP was a 400 foot dead straight wooded shot, and as I walked up to the basket there's the CTP 5 feet short. From some Val Jenkins chick. I think it blew my mind, at the time I couldn't imagine a GUY parking that hole, I was so new to the sport!

longest sidearm is hands down Bennett.

most accurate sidearm is Mike Hofmann

Bennett can definitely chuck a piece of plastic. Forehand or Backhand.

longest sidearm is hands down Bennett.





It just takes him 5 minutes to 'pump up his arm' before he throws.

Craig Leyva learded big D in the big state of Texas....yah are lucky to have him



I began playing disc golf at Veterans Park (Arlington, TX) during the summer of 1991. At that time, Leyva was one of the top local pros in DFW and was the first BIG-ARM player I ever saw play the game. His power off the tee was, and still is, astounding. While the other local pros were maxing their D with Scorpions and Vipers, he would often out-drive them all with a big bead Aviar!

Craig Leyva learded big D in the big state of Texas....yah are lucky to have him



I began playing disc golf at Veterans Park (Arlington, TX) during the summer of 1991. At that time, Leyva was one of the top local pros in DFW and was the first BIG-ARM player I ever saw play the game. His power off the tee was, and still is, astounding. While the other local pros were maxing their D with Scorpions and Vipers, he would often out-drive them all with a big bead Aviar!



Stokely and Leyva both cleared the Brazos River in Waco with their putters. Stokely used a Magnet, Leyva used a big bead LeAVIAR. It's 500' from bank to bank. When i was throwing my furthest i was barely making it across, and not every one made it.

Mitch Mac impressed me the most. He boomed a JLS across! Boooooooom!

Stokely and Leyva both cleared the Brazos River in Waco with their putters. Stokely used a Magnet, Leyva used a big bead LeAVIAR. It's 500' from bank to bank. When i was throwing my furthest i was barely making it across, and not every one made it.




If I'm not mistaken, I believe Leyva and Stokely quite often competed against each other as amateurs during their youth....and I believe it was La Mirada where they hung their hat during those early years.

best side arm warm...The Spyder...If you dont know...well...too bad.

Leyva was a La Mirada Regular and Stokley was a Oak Grove homey back in the 80's. :cool:

The biggest arm on the National Tour today was Sprague. On hole 17 you can basically throw it as far as you want. You don't have too many obstacles for the first 600 feet or so. I was spotting on Hole 17 for all the pro men. Sprague was past the fourth tire pile and sitting up nice in the short grass. I did not see whether he made his birdie putt for three, because by then I was spotting the next group. He was 50 feet longer than the next best.

what course was played 2day?

The biggest arm on the National Tour today was Sprague. On hole 17 you can basically throw it as far as you want. You don't have too many obstacles for the first 600 feet or so. I was spotting on Hole 17 for all the pro men. Sprague was past the fourth tire pile and sitting up nice in the short grass. I did not see whether he made his birdie putt for three, because by then I was spotting the next group. He was 50 feet longer than the next best.


I thought Critter out drove him on that one.

i think Mike Batka with his raging inferno 130grams or close to that.

KVN drove about the same distance with his Raging Inferno on Sunday. KVN and Sprague both took a big turn over line.

This is on the Tobbogan, # 17, the one that plays across the tobbogan tracks and up the hill.

For the record Jerry, there was no Amatuer division back then. You were a junior or you played Pro.

I would like to have a Georgia distance event, so that we can put to rest who the longest arm in Georgia is?

So many big arms out there. I think the best long gold shot I ever saw was from Coda at the 05 PFDO. On Hole 6 at Moraine from the gold tees he threw this monster anhyzer way over the trees and right into the middle of the fairway. He was 450 feet to the hole after that shot and the hole plays 1007 feet.

And the best roller I have ever seen was Brinster at Knob Hill hole 18 long tee to B-pin. He put the disc within 5 feet of the pin. I believe the hole plays 595 feet.

and another impressive feat was in 1978. KB CLark held the Kentucky state distance record with 338 feet I believe with a midnight flyer!!!!

Craig, I bet my arm is longer than yours. Are we measuring from shoulder to wrist, or how close it hangs to the ground? :cool:

Either way I'm longer than you!

The biggest arm on the National Tour today was Sprague. On hole 17 you can basically throw it as far as you want. You don't have too many obstacles for the first 600 feet or so. I was spotting on Hole 17 for all the pro men. Sprague was past the fourth tire pile and sitting up nice in the short grass. I did not see whether he made his birdie putt for three, because by then I was spotting the next group. He was 50 feet longer than the next best.



I'm flattered Bruce, but I have to agree with Daemon the shot you speak of was Bill "Critter" Themm's.

I got smart the final round and threw to the local landing area on the hole 1 fairway, leaving an easy hyzer instead of the bumpy terrain with the uphill approach I had the first day. The group ahead was also putting out and I got a great read on the basket location and distance (almost holed out for a 2).

Thanks again for spotting!

Pure Distance: Christian Sandstrom
Golf Distance: Avery Jenkins
Sidearms: Geoff Bennett (or Virtual Stokely)
Putter Distance: Craig Leyva (I've been known to out throw other Pros using drivers with my Aviar :D)
On the MSDGC DVD I throw hole 1 from the short pad at Maple Hills with an 11x Aviar (for example)

I gotta go Avery and Linus. SICK!

Best mini D - Voight 350+

I guess you have not seen me throw a mini :D:p

Best mini D - Voight 350+

I guess you have not seen me throw a mini :D:p



Yea and Ware putts good with them too. :D

So do we have a field for a mini tourney?!

I'm in,.... I have a mini bag of drivers, rollers, mids and putters :D

sidearm world record was 518 feet with an X-Clone by Stokely, I am not sure if it still is....but I have seen him throw one at least 550.

At the PFDO this past weekend I watched Avery park #8 at Knob Hill with a backhand roller. This hole is slightly uphill and measures 444. And this was into a pretty strong headwind.

I have parked and birdied many holes pushing 600Ft if not a little further!!! Thats no lie....

yes but I use a mini to park the 600footers :D:p

what's the longest ace and who made it?

726 ft. by Brent Bell (http://www.frivolist.com/records.htm)

yeah that is very reliable info.

I stopped reading after the first stat had Kenny with 11 world titles.

Yeah thats gotta be out dated material.

yeah that is very reliable info.




Well, it's the
Official PDGA Disc Golf World Records Page!!

Not sure if that proves or disproves your point though.

Best mini D - Voight 350+

I guess you have not seen me throw a mini :D:p



Yea and Ware putts good with them too. :D



But has he got a par with a mini at USDGC Rock Hill #12 888 ;)

Best mini D - Voight 350+

I guess you have not seen me throw a mini :D:p



Yea and Ware putts good with them too. :D



But has he got a par with a mini at USDGC Rock Hill #12 888 ;)



yeah I heard about that....that is pretty sick.

But has he got a par with a mini at USDGC Rock Hill #12 888 ;)



yeah I heard about that....that is pretty sick.



So he got a 5? The 888' 12th hole at the USDGC is a par five.

With a mini? Man that's crazy!

I think the over/under might be 9 eagle 4s on the Par 6 hole at Worlds. I don't know of one in competition yet but I think it's possible for the big arms coming to Highbridge under the right conditions. The hole does face the prevailing winds from the west which might take four out of the equation for most.

How about an Albatross on a hole @ Worlds? :D

The name for that Par 6 hole is Double Eagle, both in reference to gold and to people thinking every hole is par 3, which would be a "double eagle" on that hole. :)

Now, finally something different than the Ball golf game.

So if I get a 3 one that hole # 6,.... What's my Score?,...Eagle, Birdie, Par, Double Eagle, Albatross,... or just a 3? :D

chuck not the par 6 and par 2 debate again.

Is there really a par 6?
How many 4's do you think there will be out of how many players???
If its more than 10% maybe you could just call it a really REALLY hard par 5 :confused: :confused: :D:cool:

Who cares what par is!!! The fewest number of throws at the end of the day weekend or week wins.......Whether the stats show its was 55 under of even par..........So why does it matter??? Its doesnt.........Heck I played 6 par 3s this past weekend that I stood on the tee and said 3 here is birdie and 4 is par.........And at my home course which is all threes we have 4 par 4s but it doesnt matter what the par is if I shoot a 54 I shoot a 54 whether is 15 down or even is irrelavent but I do agree that a par 6 hole is going to make people be like WTF???

but I do agree that a par 6 hole is going to make people be like WTF???



Especially when that piece of land could have been used to make two sweet par 4's, or even a killer par 5 and a par 3.

Par is probably a little more important than you think, especially since there will be a lot of cross over golfers into disc golf in the future.
ALL golfers understand par and will not understand the old school disc golfers philosophy of " hey man, we are pros,,, dude!!! we call everything 3".

From the golfers view, this looks like, " hey dude we are so stoned we cant even figure out what our course par really is, so to keep us from messing up the score, we just call everything par 3 man,,, at every course!"

Mills, right?
This is not a slam on you, I get where you're coming from, this is a slam on everyone for allowing it to happen for 25 years!

I cant wait until we have a big time event at Centralia so I can see the winner smiling and telling everyone how he won and shot 66 over! :D

That would be a 6 under dude!!

Exactly!!! I mean its all good so others undestand, but in the end everyone knows, including the ball golf transfers that it really doesnt matter. The low score wins no matter what the par is.

But I would also say that means no par 6 holes either!!!

But I would also say that means no par 6 holes either!!!


I'm not a fan of the par 6 concept either. However, Chuck has rightly pointed out that there <u>are</u> about 50 ball golf par 6's in existence AND Chuck has put the effort into creating Highbridge! Before y'all that have the opportunity to play REAL GOLF on great courses in one location with fabulous views get overly critical, be glad you're not doing dynamics homework, driving a cab, waiting tables, and performing hours and hours of tedious lab tests on water samples, oh yah and throwing golf discs in a lighted parking lot for half an hour each night to not get totally rusty. :D

par is very important to explain our game to non-disc golfers.

Take worlds last year. Hippodrome was a par 65 (legit). Infact, I actually would argue a par 66.

Kenny shoots 50 which was 1091.

I told my buddy about this round. I didn't say 50, b/c that meant nothing. I didn't say 1091, b/c that meant much less. And I wouldn't diminish one of the best rounds ever played with a silly "4 down."

No, I said 15 under and my buddy who had never played before said "wow"

that is one of the many reasons why par is very important.

There are several reasons why that hole is a par 6, not the least of which it's a legitimate option that has already been accpeted as appropriate by the USGA. Highbridge is first a facility to draw recreational players. Pros and PDGA members in general have been and will continue to play only a small part in any future success in comparison to the recreational player. Having the Gold course is more important for marketing than it is popularity. Blueberry and Woodland are much more popular. However, having the unique and legit par 6 being currently the longest permanent hole in the world has value for marketing and people saying they played it.

The whole fairway is bordered on both sides by private property so we couldn't curve into the woods for making more interesting shorter holes and John the owner didn't want to do anything that would be irreversible to reverting to a ball golf option either along with DG or if DG wasn't sufficient long range. That holes follows what would have been hole 2 on the ball golf layout for its whole length. The scoring forecast from both last year's Mid-Nats and the recent Warm-Up scoring data estimates 5.6-5.7 for 1000 average rated players, just about where you would want it to be for a hole considered an easy par 6.

is that with 1.7 strokes on the green? :D

1.7 shots "around the green." For Gold level players, the stats we have so far show about 1.15 putts per hole inside 10m.

with the 10m putt corresponding to about a 4 ft. putt in ball golf.

is that with 1.7 strokes on the green? :D



Dave you remember that par 6 right? Its the one you told me to go for the 4 and I ended up losing my Proto Illusion on the 3rd shot.

1.7 shots "around the green." For Gold level players, the stats we have so far show about 1.15 putts per hole inside 10m.



Chuck, I'm sure you've done this before, but please refresh my memory, and please define "around the green".

By rule, we've defined a "falling putt" to be any putt within 10m (33 ft) that the player does not demonstrate balance, at least that's a reasonable picture of the rule.

We have NOT defined what a "putt" is, mainly because we don't have defined greens like traditional golf does. Most people use "putting form" within 30m. That would be MY definition of "around the green". Any hole shorter than this could be considered a par 2. Since there are VERY few of these around, and none on what we would consider a high caliber course, there are almost NO real par 2s.

That being said, there's nothinig wrong with having a par 6 in disc golf. In fact, it makes more sense in disc golf that traditional golf.

In traditional golf, your "traditional" par 6 is in the 650-800 yard range, with par 5s being anywhere from roughly 450-650. Par 3s are typically 100-240 yds., with par 4s being 240-450ish. There's some overlap on these distances, each course committee can set their pars lower or higher than the guideline if the hole is unusally downhill or uphill or dogleggish, but you get the idea.

In disc golf, we have holes that stretch from 200 ft. to 1300ft. (I've never seen one longer than this, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) That's a much larger percentage difference than in traditional golf. Par 6 makes more sense on a 1300 ft. hole. It's going to take most 950+ rated players 4 shots to get "around the green". If you give 2 shots from there (sorry, Chuck, I'm rounding up your 1.7 to 2 for simplicity), you get a par 6.

Someone who can throw 3 precise 400-450 shots on this hole is going to get a well-deserved eagle opportunity, which is ok. I'll bet there are no 3s on this hole, unless someone throws one in from a LONG way out. And I'll be the first to yell "ALBATROSS!" Well, maybe not the first. :)

Good luck to all up in Wisconsin in the next 2 weeks, whether you head to Milwaukee or Highbridge.

Chap

Around the Green is not a specific distance either in ball golf or disc golf. it's a mathematical construct that results from how the scoring works in both sports.For a given type of terrain, it turns out that in ball golf there are 42 shots in the score that, in theory, have nothing to do with the length of the hole. The rest of the scoring varies directly with the length of the hole. That's a fixed constant that works out to 2.33 shots per hole. We know from putting stats that their pros average around 1.7 putts per hole. So about 0.63 shots on average are from just off the green, about 2 shots of some sort out of three holes, length unspecified and unknown.

In DG, our constant is 30 per round which is 1.67, the equivalent of the 2.33 in BG. We don't have pure putting stats in DG, but some that have been done at the IDGC Opening showed a number around 1.1-1.2. Similar to BG, that leaves 0.47-0.57 shots that are near the green but not putts in terms of the player maybe taking a putting stance. Again, the actual distance of these shots isn't directly known but they occur from the standpoint of stats. So, even though these constants include putts, we've just elected to call them shots "around the green" to handle the whole mix of throws that occur every round on average, regardless of the hole length.

I will stick to the swedish guys becuse i know them best =)

Just distance with turnaround: Sandstr�m no dout, he has the world record.......
Golf drive:
Linus �str�m - 170 m/557 feet with a Medius(Midrange!!), 190 m/623 feet with Mirus
Markus K�llstr�m - he throws faaaar aswell
Fredrik Magnusson - He his around Markus distance.

Speaking of Par 6s (and Par 2s), note this paragraph in Hoeniger's article on Sweden on the PDGA Home page:

"At 2076 meters (6850 ft) the current tournament and Red layout is officially listed as Swedish par 55, including 3 short par 2s, a 232 m (765 ft) par 4, and several other long par 4s. Any score under par is solid, under 50 is exceptional. Next year the additional and stunning 9 hole Black layout will be unveiled, featuring a winding 365 m (1200+') opening par 6, and USDGC style OB."

Speaking of Par 6s (and Par 2s), note this paragraph in Hoeniger's article on Sweden on the PDGA Home page:

"At 2076 meters (6850 ft) the current tournament and Red layout is officially listed as Swedish par 55, including 3 short par 2s, a 232 m (765 ft) par 4, and several other long par 4s. Any score under par is solid, under 50 is exceptional. Next year the additional and stunning 9 hole Black layout will be unveiled, featuring a winding 365 m (1200+') opening par 6, and USDGC style OB."



Wow....3 holes under 30m?? ;)

We're going to have to agree to disagree on the Par 2 thing. All I know when I see a 250' wide open hole listed as a "par 2", I tell people, "Yep, that's the most difficult birdie on the course." I think that puts par 2s in perspective...there's something intuitively wrong with having to ace a hole to make a birdie.

Chap

Unless a hole is 10 meters or less, by definition it should not be a par 2.

Par is the number of throws to reach the green (which we would define as 10 meters) plus 2 allowing the player to two putt.

a 28 ft. hole has 0 throws to reach the green plus 2 = par 2

I 100 foot has 1 throw to reach the green plus 2 = par 3

Unless a hole is 10 meters or less, by definition it should not be a par 2.

Par is the number of throws to reach the green (which we would define as 10 meters) plus 2 allowing the player to two putt.

a 28 ft. hole has 0 throws to reach the green plus 2 = par 2

I 100 foot has 1 throw to reach the green plus 2 = par 3


NOOOOOO! The green is NOT defined by 10 meters. A 10 meter putt in disc golf is like a 4 ft. putt in ball golf. How many ball golf greens have a radius of 4 ft.? That's right - NONE!

a 4 ft putt is compared to 30 feet?!?!

are you serious? Do you know how much easier a 4 ft. putt in golf than a 30 footer in disc golf?

The low score wins no matter what the par is.

But I would also say that means no par 6 holes either!!!



I agree, who cares about par...just complete the course with the fewest strokes possible.

And yes, par 6 holes are absolutely silly.

I'm not joking. At one point I dug around and found stats to answer that question. The only thing I could find doing a quick search now was:
PGA Tour Pros make 30% of 10-15 ft. putts, 19% of 15-20 ft. putts and 12% of 20-25 ft. putts. I"ll equate the 10-15 footer to the 50-70 footer, the 15-20 footer to the 70-100 footer and the 20-25 footer to the 100-130 footer.
stats here (http://www.golf.com/golf/instruction/article/0,28136,1642459-0,00.html)

Chuck posted recently that gold players average 1.15 shots from within the 10 meter line. I'd guess that they average 50-80% from exactly on the 10 meter line.

I'm not talking about a totally flat 4 ft. putt in golf on an unblemished green. Sure they'll stroke in 19 out of 20 of those. I'm talking about the average of all the 4 ft. putts that a pro on tour will face and they miss those all the time.

p.s. I'm totally serial and I do know where manbearpig lives!

Im going to go out on a limb here and say Avery Jenkins has the biggest arm in disc golf.

Denny,

Can't speak for all your statistics but I do know that in 2005 the average "make / miss" distance (for a putt) on the PGA tour was 5.48 feet. That means any putt longer than that, they miss more times than they make!! Surprising but true. That's EVERY pro (just not the leaders you see on Sunday pm TV), all 4 days, under all conditions. If you equate PGA pros to 1000-rated DG'ers, what is their (the latter's) 50% make distance? Then you'd have an equitable comparison.

Karl

Thanks Karl, that was one of the stats I had in mind, but couldn't find. I'd guess that the average 1000 rated player's make/miss line would be at about 40 ft.

however, in golf, putting is the most important part of the game. In disc golf, it is not. getting off the tee is the most importnat.

Golfers, for the most part, dont have trees or obstabcles in the fairway like we do. Sure, there might be a random bunker or tree in the way, but the portion of these is tons smaller than in our game.

A disc golf can get away with a good round by putting poorly. Trust me, I've shot many 1000+ rounds missing 4 and 5 putts a round and I've seen many 1040 rounds shot missing those many putts as well.

People think I'm crazy, but disc golf is game of driving.

i agree that on old-school disc golf courses driving is paramount. new courses are incorporating much more strategy and putting players in positions where the good shot leaves them a 50 ft. putt for birdie with the potential for a three-putt. if you want to beat the field at the highest level you'll need to make some of these types of putts without three-putting.

i disagree that putting's the most important aspect of the game of golf. while the typical amateur can make the quickest improvement in his/her score by practicing around the green, the biggest factor in tour pros cashing or not is driving the ball in the fairway.

. . . end of thread hijack

A couple big arms from Wisconsin are Brent Baartman, not many people no who he is but I have seen him throw over 500ft hyzers and also Mike Schweiger watch out for him in the distance competion at Worlds.

Watch out for Avery Jenkins in the Distance competition, he has an outside chance at doing well.

avery who? I thought the jenkins person was named Vallerie

avery who? I thought the jenkins person was named Vallerie



Sounds like the game is on :cool:

I throw about 600+ on the Innova video game.

I throw about 600+ on the Innova video game.



And thats with a gazell

Watch out for Avery Jenkins in the Distance competition, he has an outside chance at doing well.



I like how Schwebby states "an outside chance"... :)

It's true we won't be throwing indoors... :cool:

I don't think Avery will win this year.......

I don't think Avery will win this year.......


If there's any seriousness at all in that post, you should think again.

I don't think Avery will win this year.......


If there's any seriousness at all in that post, you should think again.



Because I know of a few people who can throw farther.

Well at least they have thrown more impressive drives.....

So just out of curiosity, who should I be watching for?

So just out of curiosity, who should I be watching for?



Coda, Kallstrom, Bratten, and some guy named Sandstrom.

All right, I thought you were gonna pull out some unknowns for me. Yeah, you're right, it'll be a good competition, but I'm rooting for Jenkins.

So just out of curiosity, who should I be watching for?



Coda, Kallstrom, Bratten, and some guy named Sandstrom.



The "..strom's" are the ONLY one's that have chance at beating Avery this year.......... :p

If you think ANY of them have thrown as impressively as Avery this year...you must have NOT been watching him play.... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif...You need to travel more scoot...

:D

So just out of curiosity, who should I be watching for?



Coda, Kallstrom, Bratten, and some guy named Sandstrom.



The "..strom's" are the ONLY one's that have chance at beating Avery this year.......... :p

If you think ANY of them have thrown as impressively as Avery this year...you must have NOT been watching him play.... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif...You need to travel more scoot...

:D



No I have actually played with him a lot this year so I think I have traveled enough. Also if you think Kallstrom has a chance than so does Robbie because Markus was telling me that he had just as much D as he did. With that said Coda throws the most insane lines of anyone I have ever played with and parks a lot of REALLY long holes. Heck he 2'd a par 4 a couple of weeks ago and the other time he played it he missed a 30fter for duece.

So just out of curiosity, who should I be watching for?



Coda, Kallstrom, Bratten, and some guy named Sandstrom.



The "..strom's" are the ONLY one's that have chance at beating Avery this year.......... :p

If you think ANY of them have thrown as impressively as Avery this year...you must have NOT been watching him play.... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif...You need to travel more scoot...

:D



No I have actually played with him a lot this year so I think I have traveled enough. Also if you think Kallstrom has a chance than so does Robbie because Markus was telling me that he had just as much D as he did. With that said Coda throws the most insane lines of anyone I have ever played with and parks a lot of REALLY long holes. Heck he 2'd a par 4 a couple of weeks ago and the other time he played it he missed a 30fter for duece.




I got $$$$ that say Avery WHOOPS Robbie &amp; Coda in the distance comp............Heck...Golf as well.
:D

One should always remember that golf distance and pure distance are two different things!

I don't think that anyone can touch Avery in distance at this time. He is one of the purest throwers I have seen in a very long time.

And you would be right, just look at the way that guy trains. He's an animal...especially among disc golf standards. He is the athlete that mainstream media is looking for in our sport.

Robbie Bratten 2ed hole 13 at USDGC, Have you guys heard of it? :) 888 (triple eight) from 20 ft, that's one of the craziest things I've ever imagined, this wasn't in competition, but he did 3 it twice in competition. Anyhow, i think it will be either him or Sandstorm.

Robbie Bratten 2ed hole 13 at USDGC, Have you guys heard of it? :) 888 (triple eight) from 20 ft, that's one of the craziest things I've ever imagined, this wasn't in competition, but he did 3 it twice in competition. Anyhow, i think it will be either him or Sandstorm.




:p Like I said........$$$ on Avery vs Bratten or Coda..... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

strange argument people.....Sandstrom throws farther than all of them..HANDS DOWN...You can ask each of them, and they will tell you the same thing...Golf has nothing to do with distance...And just a side note...Avery may have won the USDGC distance last year, but Espen was throwing much farther...Espens only problem was he was going out to the left side over more water, and avery was throwing str8.

strange argument people.....Sandstrom throws farther than all of them..HANDS DOWN...You can ask each of them, and they will tell you the same thing...Golf has nothing to do with distance...And just a side note...Avery may have won the USDGC distance last year, but Espen was throwing much farther...Espens only problem was he was going out to the left side over more water, and avery was throwing str8.



I heard from a Swede or two that they all throw about the same and Sandstrom's record throw got like 5 lifts at the end of its flight. He probably is the biggest because he hit 600+ at Worlds in 04' but I have seen that on the course before too. :D

And you would be right, just look at the way that guy trains. He's an animal...especially among disc golf standards. He is the athlete that mainstream media is looking for in our sport.


I agree completely. One of these days he'll win USDGC or Worlds, and he'll become one of the faces the PDGA needs to market IMMEDIATELY. The same is said for Val. I was at the Hambrick today and watched most of the holes from near the teepad, and then watched a few others from further out... Des is amazing, and she would take shots and come out just as solid as Val, but everything that Val did was bigger, it felt bigger, it had more raw energy to it. It is the sort of thing you need to capture and market.

I watched Avery playing against Crabtree in his playoff, and that raw emotion and competitive spirit would market INCREDIBLY well. No offense to some of the other guys out there, guys like Orum with an aw-shucks outward demeanor (not saying they aren't raging inside with competitive fire, not at all!)... but everything that Avery and Val does seems to be done bigger and more impressively.


-Chris.

No I have actually played with him a lot this year so I think I have traveled enough.



:p From what I can see (by PDGA records)You have only been to 1 event that Avery has attended this year

I wouldnt call that A LOT.. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Avery has PURE distance......He is the BEST that the US has at this point....

The "..strom's" have a chance..they too know how to throw Distance not just a "Drive"...BIG DIFFERENCE.... :)

My money is still on Avery..... :D

There's a guy in Columbus area, I believe, named J.M. Blakely who has put up 785 on bench. Decent golfer. I believe he has the biggest arms in Disc Golf.

No I have actually played with him a lot this year so I think I have traveled enough.



:p From what I can see (by PDGA records)You have only been to 1 event that Avery has attended this year

I wouldnt call that A LOT.. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Avery has PURE distance......He is the BEST that the US has at this point....

The "..strom's" have a chance..they too know how to throw Distance not just a "Drive"...BIG DIFFERENCE.... :)

My money is still on Avery..... :D



Its not my fault he didn't travel...... :DI played 2 rounds with him at Kc and I played around 8 rounds with him last year. BTW Feldberg throws HARDER. :D

Robbie Bratten 2ed hole 13 at USDGC, Have you guys heard of it? :) 888 (triple eight) from 20 ft, that's one of the craziest things I've ever imagined, this wasn't in competition, but he did 3 it twice in competition. Anyhow, i think it will be either him or Sandstorm.



As much as I'd like to help spread the claim that Robbie 2'd 888 in practice... I think you might want to check your source out on that one. :D

As much as I'd like to help spread the claim that Robbie 2'd 888 in practice... I think you might want to check your source out on that one. :D



Seriously...
Next thing you know this guy is going to say someone aced a 500' hole with a Roc.

actually there's a documented 700+ ft ace with a roc. and I think elaine king hit chains on a 800+ ft hole at the 03 worlds with an mrv

I was trying to get a rise out of Boobs. He has aced a 500' hole with a roc.

BTW Feldberg throws HARDER. :D



But not FARTHER... :p

BTW Feldberg throws HARDER. :D



But not FARTHER... :p



I know.

Ill take your bet...C. Sandstrom will win distance at worlds...And not by just a couple feet either.

Sandstrom wins hands down.

THE ONLY WAY HE GOT A 2 ON 13 WAS WITH A HUGE FAIRWAY ACE!

THE ONLY WAY HE GOT A 2 ON 13 WAS WITH A HUGE FAIRWAY ACE!



Read above 1st! He didn't 2 it.

I heard he threw over the parking lot...

Ok, Geoff Bennet was there and he said he saw him do it!!!

Ok, Geoff Bennet was there and he said he saw him do it!!!



Speaking of Geoff anyone have his #? if so can you PM it to me?

That is a number I actually dont have....LOL

Ill take your bet...C. Sandstrom will win distance at worlds...And not by just a couple feet either.



:p Like Im stupid or something... :p

as I stated above..the "..strom's" are the ONLY ones that have a chance at beating Avery..........

My bet was about Robbie &amp; Coda...... ;)

I think that the real suprise will come from the Women......

Who will break THAT record??....Jennifer Griffen now holds it....
Val WANTS it BAD....and is training for it... /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
:D

WOW...I thought VAl already had it...CAnt wait to watch her break it...What is the current record....
I think Robbie can crush, but ive never seen him throw for pure distance..We can only hope that the wind stays fair for all the competitors...

I hope Robbie relaxes enough during the actual competition to really let one go.

When he's just tossing discs for distance, and rapid-fire emptying everyone's bags it's fun to watch.

I hope Robbie relaxes enough during the actual competition to really let one go.

When he's just tossing discs for distance, and rapid-fire emptying everyone's bags it's fun to watch.



He bombed one of my brand new speed demons 575'.

wow. I didn't know dpeen demons could go that far on one throw

That's one sick puppy :eek:

wow. I didn't know dpeen demons could go that far on one throw




Well he hit the 575' mark so it may have gone a little further. :D

Maybe I'm confused as to how they have described the schedule for the distance competition.

Sunday: Distance, First Session

Monday: Putting, Mini Golf, Field Events, 1st Session

Tuesday: Field Events, Second Session

So, do you simply have to play field events (any) on Tuesday? Or do you have to do first and second sessions?

choose a day, i believe...or are they doing a finals.

Maybe I'm confused as to how they have described the schedule for the distance competition.

Sunday: Distance, First Session

Monday: Putting, Mini Golf, Field Events, 1st Session

Tuesday: Field Events, Second Session

So, do you simply have to play field events (any) on Tuesday? Or do you have to do first and second sessions?



I'm with you Matt, what about peeps playin dubs? I guess the rounds will be over in enough time to do some field events.

peep here.

WOW...I thought VAl already had it...CAnt wait to watch her break it...What is the current record....




From ...www.wfdf.org...

Women: 139.00 m Jennifer Griffin (USA) 6/28/05 San Diego, CA

actually there's a documented 700+ ft ace with a roc. and I think elaine king hit chains on a 800+ ft hole at the 03 worlds with an mrv



Both were throws down mountainsides. Elaine's is beautiful to watch though.

actually there's a documented 700+ ft ace with a roc. and I think elaine king hit chains on a 800+ ft hole at the 03 worlds with an mrv



Both were throws down mountainsides. Elaine's is beautiful to watch though.



Was Elaine's caught on tape? I would like to see it.

2003 Worlds DVD has Elaine's shot. Longest non-pdga tournament ace was in Billings, MT, 700+ ft with a 161 g JLS...the hole is really steep downhill though, you could throw it 400' past the pin. Apparently the shot (by an int. am) hit like four thermals, dropping straight every time, and toilet-bowled in the basket.

Sunday: Distance, First Session

Monday: Putting, Mini Golf, Field Events, 1st Session

Tuesday: Field Events, Second Session




Your choice to do your prelims in Distance either Sunday or Tuesday. Finals are 5:30 Tuesday for top 4 in each division.

Putting and Minigolf you choose which session on Monday evening or Tuesday works with your schedule with one crack at a score. Putting Finals at Player Party Friday at 7pm. EDGE is all on Tuesday.

Sunday: Distance, First Session

Monday: Putting, Mini Golf, Field Events, 1st Session

Tuesday: Field Events, Second Session




Your choice to do your prelims in Distance either Sunday or Tuesday. Finals are 5:30 Tuesday for top 4 in each division.

Putting and Minigolf you choose which session on Monday evening or Tuesday works with your schedule with one crack at a score. Putting Finals at Player Party Friday at 7pm. EDGE is all on Tuesday.



Is the Edge thing going to be like last year? Basically will 1st only get like $25? If so is there a way to get the entry put toward something else?

EDGE is a competition with the entry mostly going as a donation for supporting EDGE. You would have to have changed your $10 entry before 5pm EST today if you wanted to withdraw. People can still enter field events at Highbridge up until they start.

EDGE is a competition with the entry mostly going as a donation for supporting EDGE. You would have to have changed your $10 entry before 5pm EST today if you wanted to withdraw. People can still enter field events at Highbridge up until they start.



Why don't they put that on the reg sheet then? All I remember was one year it was $250 for 1st and the next it was $25. I would rather not play if I probably won't get more than $5 and I would have rather put that cash towards distance. heck I'll donate $10 to EDGE if they run an event with good payouts.

Probably a good idea to mention that. Suggest it to Lyksett when you see him. The young guys can't beat the old guys like Greenwell at it anyway though so they might as well just donate to EDGE. :D

Probably a good idea to mention that. Suggest it to Lyksett when you see him. The young guys can't beat the old guys like Greenwell at it anyway though so they might as well just donate to EDGE. :D



I have the highest ever score on EDGE so watch who you are talking to. :eek:

That course had an easy SSA. You can't compare. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

On the distance topic here, Avery just missed getting a long range 2 on the 770 ft uphill par 5 on Granite in practice yesterday. That will be quite a hole to watch the big shooters as they're finishing the semi round.

EDGE is a competition with the entry mostly going as a donation for supporting EDGE. You would have to have changed your $10 entry before 5pm EST today if you wanted to withdraw. People can still enter field events at Highbridge up until they start.



Why don't they put that on the reg sheet then? All I remember was one year it was $250 for 1st and the next it was $25. I would rather not play if I probably won't get more than $5 and I would have rather put that cash towards distance. heck I'll donate $10 to EDGE if they run an event with good payouts.


I second this. There were zero payouts at am worlds last year, and it was not mentioned when registering. It made many feel as if they had been tricked or taken advantage of. Please announce it beforehand

if anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is I would be happy to make some friendly wagers on the distance competition. I'll take either Jenkins for their respective divisions.

if anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is I would be happy to make some friendly wagers on the distance competition. I'll take either Jenkins for their respective divisions.



$10 Avery doesn't win

Ok...Ill bet you twenty that A. Jenkins doesnt win it....

Ok...Ill bet you twenty that A. Jenkins doesnt win it....



Ok I'll match bard's bet. Anyone want to take us up on it?

I'd at least need odds for that bet. ;)

you pick someone else, I got Avery. whichever of those 2 guys throws the furthest will win the bet(regardless of if they win distance or not).

I'd at least need odds for that bet. ;)

you pick someone else, I got Avery. whichever of those 2 guys throws the furthest will win the bet(regardless of if they win distance or not).



Sandstrom would be an easy one. I don't know if I wantr to pick him though.

can i get 2-1 that sandstrom and bratten both go longer than avery?

How about making the wager on whether the winner is a Swede versus US player?

Ill take sandstrom for 20$...and this is Sjur...I think...

How about making the wager on whether the winner is a Swede versus US player?



That's not too fair since Markus lives in PA now. :DHe's a Yankee.

I'll put $10 on Bratten ;)

Ill take sandstrom for 20$...and this is Sjur...I think...



done. this might be a little harder than my last message board prop bet(betting vs millz that he'd miss cash at USDGC i think) :D

if anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is I would be happy to make some friendly wagers on the distance competition. I'll take either Jenkins for their respective divisions.
$10 Avery doesn't win



Boy that really puts you guys out on a limb, doesnt it........

A Jenkins vs the field........thats a good bet.... :p

DumAz :D

Ill Take A. Jenkins vs ANYONE from Texas..........$20

AND V. Jenkins vs THE FIELD......$20


:D

sounds like a break even bet to me.

Last year I think Des won distance. Don't count her out. I think her shot last year was 430s. Pretty sick, close to a record, I believe. Though it was slightly downhill, if my memory is correct.

I wih there was a list for th times that Aver, Bratten and Sandstrom were throwing disance...

Not to mention some video! Furthest air shot I've ever seen on flat ground was around 500 feet. Anything further has got to look absurd.

Not to mention some video! Furthest air shot I've ever seen on flat ground was around 500 feet. Anything further has got to look absurd.



Thats funny cuz every time I watch Avery and Robbie throw in a field I see discs fly past 500 in the air!!! Man its fun to watch those guys just crush!!! Farthest airshot I have ever seen was at this year BG Open when Bratten threw a beat in Z Pred over 700 ft.........Granted there was a perfect 30 mph distance wind but still 700ft!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I can throw a solid 320 feet!

That's like over 100 METERS!!

Junior &lt; 10 Boys - Pool H Show Round Ratings
Place Pool Name PDGA# Rating Rd 1 Rd 2 Rd 3 Rd 4 Rd 5 Rd 6 Semis Finals To Par Total Prize
1 H Nicholas Duran 28359 687 63 66 65 70 57 +48 321
2 H Brock Anthony Dowell 29386 684 63 65 69 70 71 +65 338
H William Hancock 33450 94 94 94 999 999 999

So which boy are you? :D

sounds like a break even bet to me.



More like WIN...WIN...

:D :D
:D

Sandstrom wins here in WI...but two weeks ago in New York at World overalls German Chris Max Voigt threw 7 meters further with headwind

Too bad Billy Lund not playing anymore. Dude threw a disc 700 feet earlier this year at ChandlerStock. McCoy was there he can vouch for it.

Why is Billy not playing anymore...

Why is Billy not playing anymore...


He's way too busy makin' out with dudes!

Ill take sandstrom for 20$...and this is Sjur...I think...



done. this might be a little harder than my last message board prop bet(betting vs millz that he'd miss cash at USDGC i think) :D


need an address to mail this to? LOL

do you have a link to the results(just curious what the distances were)

I will see u next week @ the MSDGC.

Sandstrom wins here in WI...but two weeks ago in New York at World overalls German Chris Max Voigt threw 7 meters further with headwind


...and Stokely threw an XL even further quite a few years back.
.02 // YMMV

and Sandstr�m took the worldrecord........
a few years back...

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/bigd_distance.htm

check this out

...is a shame that the disc thrown is not part of the info. :mad:

Who won the distance comp?

...is a shame that the disc thrown is not part of the info. :mad:


That would be nice to see. I know Sandstrom's record of 250m was with a 164g DX Valkyrie. To my knowledge the previous three "official" records were thrown with the Teebird, XS, and XL.

I don't think a Tee Bird has ever held a World Record (for more than 45 minutes, anyway...)

I don't think a Tee Bird has ever held a World Record (for more than 45 minutes, anyway...)


I believe that's correct, the record was broken with a Teebird and a short time later Sandstrom broke that record with the Valkyrie. What's even crazier to me is that Randy Lahm threw 563 feet back in 1990! What lid would go that far 17 years ago? Was the Cyclone out then?

Ok scratch that one.......Peter Bowie crushed one 576 feet back in 1987.

What did Sandstrom use this week at worlds to throw 660 feet??

Sam Ferrans...623 feet in 1988 with a phenix.

Distance results in meters:

MPO 17004 Christian Sandstr�m SWEDEN 199.0 $130

MPO 7495 Avery Jenkins OR USA 182.5 $90

MPO 18464 Chris Heeren WI USA 177.0 $65

MPO 23651 Coda Hatfield OK USA 175.0 $50

MPO 21541 Robbie Bratten TX USA 171.5 $40

MPO 12626 David Feldberg OR USA 171.0 $35

MPO 13150 Markus K�llstr�m PA USA 171.0 $30

MPO 7350 Jon Drummond MN USA 170.0 $25

MPO 30793 Jimmie Nilsson SWEDEN 169.5 $20

MPO 30938 Erik Bostrom SWEDEN 166.0 $15

What did Sandstrom use this week at worlds to throw 660 feet??



he told me he was using DX Valks and DX beasts when it was windy.

Not sure what he used in his winning throw.

lots of people threw Pro Wraiths.

one guy in masters threw 170 with 150 gram Cyclones. It was pretty masterful throwing.

Hey guys Sandstrom has never even used the TEErex or Wraith and he ended up using a TB on his longest throw. He said he would have to give them a shot though.

Just out of curiosity, Aren't steroids legal in Sweden?

:eek:

I watched Coda and Nolan throw some very impressive big arm shots during the final 9 at Crowley this past week. However, their ability to pull them off as golf shots is most impressive.

In sudden death Nolan rips what appeared to be a Max over the trees on the 443 first hole and drops it within 4' of the pole. Then Coda steps up and throws a CE Teebird roller under the trees within about 20'.

Earlier during the safari 9 playing from 1's tee to 2's basket Coda rips it over the trees to the top of the hill for a 80' run at a deuce. Which makes his decision to throw the roller during sudden death even more impressive because it was well within his air shot distance.

And I won't even mention the shots they threw over the trees from the top of the hill to 16's basket for runs at 2's!! :eek:

Coda definitely is one of the longest throwers in golf right now. He had that 420 foot ace thats on youtube...

Yeah, but we're talking about biggest arms here. Rocky Geist has pretty big arms.