This weekend I was playing in a tournament and got comfortable throwing my roc on almost every shot. There were a few times where I could used a driver but still chose the shorter disc for the accuracy.

On the ride home back across NC I reflected on the one time I tried the driver and had it kick off a tree into the brush. I probably should have thrown the roc again for an easy 3. I ended up with a 5 on the short pad and a 3 from the long.

How can I improve accuracy with drivers?

Practice.

throw less stable discs with hyzer smoothly

Post the discs in your bag.

Biggest step is to throw 80% and smooth.

Go out to a field with your drivers.
Throw 100%, mark the distance.
Go back and throw 80% and smooth.
See how little distance is lost and how much control is gained.

How can I improve accuracy with drivers?



Try to find a driver that throws very similar to a Roc.

The Roc is much less nose sensitive than a typical modern driver, it also has a much smaller rim.

There may be a tremendous difference in the release angles required between a Roc and the typical large rimmed max distance drivers.

I suggest you look at the Pro and Star Valk, DX Teebird, and the SOLF.

throw less stable discs with hyzer smoothly

well said Denny, this is the best way IMO. C LEE is a perfect example of this, he hits more tight lines with less stable drivers than anybody I know.

As I think back to the hole, 18 at Kinston, I had considered throwing a hyzer valk and watching it stand up. I was just not as confident in my control of the disc as I was with giving an Orc a littly anhyzer. The angle I had to throw the disc down at probably led to it slipping out of my hand in the first place.

I'll be sure to put some less stable plastic in the bag. Once I started flipping everything I went more and more stable. Time to dig the beat up stuff from under my car seats. :)

Thanks for the info everybody. I shall try the 80% smooth hyzer stuff out during lunch today.

Good shooting this weekend Schweb.

The 80% stuff probably suits the more understable discs better too. When you back off the speed a little, you will have to increase the snap or use slightly less overstable plastic.

Holy crap. I just got back from lunch and tried out the things you guys said. Not only did I improve accuracy, but all but one of about 10 drives was over 300 and in the fairway. Even with Renny's crazy cross winds on 18 the discs popped up and held their lines beautifully.

I also threw a Valk with a lot of hyzer down the left hand side of Original 8, it sailed all the way to the creek bed with very little effort. Best drives ever on 5, 8 and 18 using only 80% of the normal power that I throw with.

Thanks for the Tips!

Good to hear it.

Almost a year ago I broke both of my arms my left wrist and my right elbow. I had been trying to throw the discs that I threw in the past and had no luck to heavy and stable they always hyzered out early. I switched to lighter discs in the low 170's and higher 160's like the pro wraith, champ valk, and champ sidewinders and this past monday I threw at least 5 drives between 400 and 450 with great accuracy. Unbleiveable since I am right handed and still cannot straighten my right arm at the elbow.

How can I improve accuracy with drivers?



Try to find a driver that throws very similar to a Roc.

The Roc is much less nose sensitive than a typical modern driver, it also has a much smaller rim.

There may be a tremendous difference in the release angles required between a Roc and the typical large rimmed max distance drivers.

I suggest you look at the Pro and Star Valk, DX Teebird, and the SOLF.

In terms of flight path I've found that the disc most similar to my flat top rocs in terms of drivers would be the TL. Any time I have a shot I'm not comfortable throwing a Roc at 100% on, I pull out the TL and throw it at 75%. Or if its out of Roc range but needs the same flight path... again, TL. Best fairway driver ever.


-Chris.

My TL hasn't been in my bag for months because all it ever does is flip over. I have a star plastic one in 175 gram weight. Maybe now that i'm throwing with a little more hyzer I can try it out again.

IMO- the TL was designed for shots b/w 250-350 ft range with a similar flight path to what CWOJ said "basically a longer flying flat top roc";in the 250-350 range you shouldnt be turning anything over and if you are then you should work on your form or stop throwing shots at small holes @150% power.The TL is a great disc and has a very consistant flight path,I have aced a 330 ft dead straight hole with the CFR TL and it has always had a place in my bag every since.I suggest you give it another chance,it is a great disc.

My TL hasn't been in my bag for months because all it ever does is flip over. I have a star plastic one in 175 gram weight. Maybe now that i'm throwing with a little more hyzer I can try it out again.



While I love the TL's (carry 2 of em) the problem is that theyre less stable and so after a few months of getting banged around they start turning over. The best TL's to purchase are the CFR's and the SE's. These are the 2 plastics I use and they dont turn over unless I force them to. If you still want to use the Star or Pro TL then you need to purchase several brand new ones in order to have backups because the Star and Pro TL's easily flip over after about 2 months of use on a wooded course.

Holy crap. I just got back from lunch and tried out the things you guys said. Not only did I improve accuracy, but all but one of about 10 drives was over 300 and in the fairway. Even with Renny's crazy cross winds on 18 the discs popped up and held their lines beautifully.

I also threw a Valk with a lot of hyzer down the left hand side of Original 8, it sailed all the way to the creek bed with very little effort. Best drives ever on 5, 8 and 18 using only 80% of the normal power that I throw with.

Thanks for the Tips!



What did you have for lunch?

My TL hasn't been in my bag for months because all it ever does is flip over. I have a star plastic one in 175 gram weight. Maybe now that i'm throwing with a little more hyzer I can try it out again.



While I love the TL's (carry 2 of em) the problem is that theyre less stable and so after a few months of getting banged around they start turning over. The best TL's to purchase are the CFR's and the SE's. These are the 2 plastics I use and they dont turn over unless I force them to. If you still want to use the Star or Pro TL then you need to purchase several brand new ones in order to have backups because the Star and Pro TL's easily flip over after about 2 months of use on a wooded course.

Interesting. I never had any issues with the TLs flipping in neither star nor champion (I throw a cfr glow) so far... Do you flip teebird easily? They're near identical in terms of high speed stability, TL just has a lot less low speed fade or at least thats how they fly for me.

My TL hasn't been in my bag for months because all it ever does is flip over. I have a star plastic one in 175 gram weight. Maybe now that i'm throwing with a little more hyzer I can try it out again.



While I love the TL's (carry 2 of em) the problem is that theyre less stable and so after a few months of getting banged around they start turning over. The best TL's to purchase are the CFR's and the SE's. These are the 2 plastics I use and they dont turn over unless I force them to. If you still want to use the Star or Pro TL then you need to purchase several brand new ones in order to have backups because the Star and Pro TL's easily flip over after about 2 months of use on a wooded course.

Interesting. I never had any issues with the TLs flipping in neither star nor champion (I throw a cfr glow) so far... Do you flip teebird easily? They're near identical in terms of high speed stability, TL just has a lot less low speed fade or at least thats how they fly for me.



It wasn't really flipping.

I was trying to overpower it in the same way I was overpowering my Orc's and Wraith's by coming over with lots of anhyzer. Since I'm not throwing that way now and have started using smoother hyzer shots, the TL is behaving exactly as described above.

Today I drove longer than ever before, about 340 with an Orc on Renny Original 18. w00t. :D

Very nice, good to hear the advice of the guys here is helping. Just be smooth :o) keep working through the winter, and when it gets warm out again you'll find it all worked almost two-fold.

One suggestion for working through the winter.

If you use a strecth band type of exerciser, use it to work on form more than power.

Attach the band so that it is in line with your desired throwing plane.
Stand with your feet basically in line with your target.
Reach back toward the wall until your back is to the target line and your arm extended.
Your weight should be on your left leg for right handed throwers.
Start your weight transfer to the right leg.
Start your rotation with your hips.
Continue until your arm is fully extended toward the target.

Now the important part........

What is the now tight exercise band doing ?
Is it vibrating up and down ? In and out ?
If you have a very smooth and aligned throwing motion, it will be almost still.
If it is moving, you are leaving the desired line as you pull through.

word on the street is a leopard is barry's longer roc, then again he can throw a roc 420

word on the street is a leopard is barry's longer roc, then again he can throw a roc 420

Makes sense. I don't *think* Barry throws dead flat top rocs, so the flight paths would be closer. A TL is closer to my flat rocs than the leopard is, but with normal rocs a leopard might be a closer fit.