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...sure is quiet in here...

I agree! Stir something up Dave! :cool:

Have a great day! Let's wake up Live Oak! :cool:http://cdn.maximonline.com/girls/january_jones/january-jones-gm_l5.jpg

Just by looking at her...I can tell she can putt.

:D

Classic Response By Circle 2! :eek:

I give the board nazi 14 more hours to delete this thread, what say you?

I'm betting only the post gets deleted, but it's probation for RT.

Sir Geoffe said make this thread hopping! :cool:

like a cricket :D

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Looks like the sunrise in the Bahamas. :cool:What a course, unbelievable!! :cool::D

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Due to my lack of copying anything to these threads, fyi, there was a positive article about discgolf in the paper yesterday. You can find it in the N.E. section of Neighborhoods online.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/neighbors/stories/MYSA122706.1H.NE.discgolf.1b3e053.html

My favorite part...


While city skate parks are the result of a big push by the local skating community, there wasn't a similar effort made by the public to get disc golf courses, Stover said.

"In fact, a lot of the public isn't familiar with disc golf," he said.





Maybe that was when only two people showed up to the city meeting on disc golf. :(

i think this had to be my favorite part.

Dad Greg, mom Sarah and sons Austin, 14; Ethan, 12; and Adam, 11, were so impressed after two outings to the disc golf course that the boys requested regulation discs for Christmas.

that is how we are going to grow this sport we love here in the city we live.

If anybody still has the this past Sunday paper, check out Broom Hilda!!!

<font color="red"> SHE'S THROWING PLASTIC!!!! :D:eek: :cool::p :D </font>

Newspapers are obsolete (sooo 20th century), but some habits are hard to break. Welcome to the Information Age :)



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unbelievable!!!

Thanks Geoff, I was trying to find it last night so I could post it.

Isn't it awesome!!! :D:cool:

Have a great day! Let's wake up Live Oak! :cool:http://cdn.maximonline.com/girls/january_jones/january-jones-gm_l5.jpg

I agree she has that look of a mean putter ;)

Thx for bringing her back. I remember posting this one! :cool:

There's something missing, like a picture of a long drive.

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AMEN!!!!

There is an article about disc golf in todays paper on the SA life front page :cool:

web page (http://www.mysanantonio.com/salife/docs/022307discgolf/DISC_RULES.html)

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/recreation/stories/MYSA022307.01P.DiscGolf.1a882c3.html

here's the actual article....

Hey! I got my name in the paper and didn't have to get arrested to do it! :D

and they spelled it right.... WOW

That's a great article.

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great photo RT too funny

I wish that guy would get his hair cut. OOps, I didn't think before I wrote, hope that isn't anyones boy friend. :D

Dont worry Jim, Jody doesnt mine he says it happens all the time :o:D

hardee har har

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Hey Dave I found your myspace page. How old are you in this picture? :D

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Uh, What sport are you into RT? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Uh, What sport are you into RT? :confused: :confused: :confused:



Tooting his own horn

I thought it was funny lookin! and Crazy!
Mckibben relative maybee or gatorputt.

funny it was! And crazy 2! :D

STOP THE INSANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mark Atwood where are you?

I think he's the one on the far right. :confused: :D

He is taking the picture ;) WHAT EVER happen to Pete Lopez? doe's he still live in the S.A. area? did Pete move? where's Pete Lopez? Dave ?

He is taking the picture ;) WHAT EVER happen to Pete Lopez? doe's he still live in the S.A. area? did Pete move? where's Pete Lopez? Dave ?




Come out to our Monthly Mini tomorrow, Pete's running it... :D

Coda has the shot of the day (hole of the day?) on DGTV...Bagger...

http://www.discgolftv.com/dgtv/142/2/0

Allow me to pick the brain of LODGA's finest....

When the disc come to rest, does it matter what part of body needs to be directly behind the disc? I know that you have to behind the lie but can it be your hand or arm, instead of your foot or knee DIRECLTY behind? The question came up and I had no answer. I let them use their hand and lean out to make a shot. But not sure what the rule was.

I'm not sure but I think the relevant rule says something like "point of contact" which could be foot, hand, nose, the left cheek, whatever ....

When inside of 33ft you must show balance with you foremost supporting point. Outside of 33ft you just have to let the disc go before leaving the ground or at least within 11in of your mini.

803.04 Stance, Subsequent to Teeing Off
A. When the disc is released, a player must:
(1) Have at least one supporting point that is in contact with the playing surface on the line of play and within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc (except as specified in 803.04 E); and,
(2) have no supporting point contact with the marker disc or any object closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker disc; and,
(3) have all of his or her supporting points in-bounds.

B. Stepping past the marker disc is permitted after the disc is released, except when putting within 10 meters.

C. Any throw from within 10 meters or less, as measured from the rear of the marker disc to the base of the hole, is considered a putt. A follow-through after a putt that causes the thrower to make any supporting point contact closer to the hole than the rear edge of the marker disc constitutes a falling putt and is considered a stance violation . The player must demonstrate full control of balance before advancing toward the hole.

D. A player must choose the stance that will result in the least movement of any part of any obstacle that is a permanent or integral part of the course.

E. If a large solid obstacle prevents a player from taking a legal stance within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc, the player shall take his or her stance immediately behind that obstacle on the line of play. The player must comply with all the provisions of 803.04 A other than being within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc.

F. A stance violation must be clearly called within three seconds after the infraction to be valid. The call may be made by any member of the group or an official. When the call is made by a member of the group, it must subsequently be confirmed by another member of the group. A player shall receive a warning for the first violation of a stance rule in the round. Subsequent violations of a stance rule in the same round shall incur a one-throw penalty.

G. Any throw that involves a validly called and seconded stance violation may not be used by the thrower. Re-throws must be taken from the original lie, prior to subsequent play by others in the group.

H. The player may not retrieve the originally thrown disc prior to the re-throw, except in the case of a putt from within 10 meters. Where a disc is retrieved in violation of this rule, a one throw penalty shall be imposed without a warning.

ah ha!

Then someone owes me some strokes! :D

THANKS.

You would be suprised how many people don't know that rule. I think that it is because they don't like my running putt, tOOOO bad.

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ah ha!

Then someone owes me some strokes! :D

THANKS.



which part of the rule did they break?

Just a test...

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I like it. Shh, don't tell the mods.

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Does anyone know of a doubles tournament in Live Oak on the 16th? I have tried contacting Vinnie and Ruben but no answer. The City needs to know soon if they need to make any special arrangements or not.
Thanks

I called Ruben yesterday....he was doing some digging with the city.
The feller wanting to do a seris can not be reached.
Ruban and I are going ahead with the Live Oak date.
I think everyone would enjoy a doubles event at the living tree

I think everyone would enjoy a doubles event at the living tree



Dubs would be a lot of fun out there..let's just hope it doesn't rain between now and then...

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KUDZU

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I think everyone would enjoy a doubles event at the living tree



Dubs would be a lot of fun out there..let's just hope it doesn't rain between now and then...

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KUDZU

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is that mcclain? I havent been out there in months!

Just wanted to give out a big CONGRATS to Jayson &amp; Allison Houston.
Ryder Warren Houston was born yesterday 7-13-07 at 5:34 p.m. (hope I spelled his name right)

<font color="red">CONGRATS JAYSON &amp; ALLISON!!! </font>

CONGRATULATION"S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME! GOD BLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just think...in a few years:

Please welcome, from Texas, Ryder "Hyzer" Houston...

(Golf claps)

Congrats!!!

Welcome to the newest memeber of LODGA!

congrats jayson!!!!!!

Thanks everybody as all of you dads whom have experienced this the giftof life it is truely a great experience. wow!!!!!!! hopefully we will be leaving soon some time this evening. Thanks again for the congrats, Ryder told me he couldn't wait to get in the backyard and start putting.

thanks everybody, Mom and baby are doing fine, hopefully this evening we will be headed home, Ryder told me he couldn't wait ti get home to start putting in the back yard.

HAPPY FATHERS DAY TO ALL THE DAD'S OUT THERE!!!!!!

congrats,

so what's up with this doubles event ??

it was last saturday in killeen

what is the schedule for this doubles thing

killeen

i guess it was an object course :D:eek:

what is the schedule for this doubles thing



I thought we were suppose to have one in LO last weekend? :confused:

Rick laid out such a MONSTER-sized course, he got lost, never to be seen again. :o /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :cool:

nick's sports expressed an interest in making shirts with LODGA on it. is there any problem with them doing that and selling them in their shop???

I think we should talk with the Big Bird and a couple of other wiser discer's like brian and carlos. Ans see what's up and there take.
I believe at the end of the year with the club fund we are going to produce some shirt's. And maybee Nick's can make them for us then sale some there. I remember making the first Lodga shirt's at nicks some years ago. We'll see.
Good topic.

take care,
RT

i'll pass along that info. it was an idea they brought up. thanks.

Well after a very exhausting weekend with LOSO I think we all need nice, cool, dry evening of golf with pretty lights!!!

What better night to do this then <font color="red">FRIDAY THE 13TH!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif SCARY!!!</font>
hehehehehehe :D:D:D

Who's in?
:p

What course?

Always Live Oak....

Sweet! Maybe I can putt better in the dark.

Sweet! Maybe I can putt better in the dark.



Everybody putts better in the dark. :)

Sweet! Maybe I can putt better in the dark.



Everybody putts better in the dark. :)



That's what she said!

Laura, I got your text, but you know us!! Michaela leaves tomorrow for Georgia and I leave Friday morning for Oklahoma. You and Jimbob have a few for us!

Yes, I forgot James....

Thanks maybe next time...

Cool, Scott hope you can make it.. :cool:

Anybody else?

i'll talk with viv but i'm in!!!!

I believe the Snyder's will participate. Sounds like a blast, and we have never played night golf before.
Dr. Safety

Never played night golf!?,...

Well then mark your calendar for 9-29/9-30

9-29 The Sleeper III at Twin Parks The only Sanctioned Night event of the PDGA. Then wake up the next morning and play the Discraft Ace Race.

2 days of fun and golf, or just golf fun!

Anybody else?



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Anybody else?



I want to play http://www.gtaforums.com/html//emoticons/icon14.gif




Great Geoff &amp; Dave glad you guys can make it!!!

So far we have:
Me
Jimbob
Bird
Stacey
Scott
Josh
Dave S.
Jason Archer
Jerrod V.
Geoff
Bill Karshis
Randall Karshis

Awesome!!! I will call everybody with details on Thursday

Anybody else wanna play?!! :cool::p :D

Would love to play...but will be at the coast...
Somebody lose a Firebird for me!

To make it really scary ya'll should play McClain. :D
(zike) :cool:

So far we have:
Me
Jimbob
Bird
Stacey
Scott
Josh
Dave S.
Jason Archer
Jerrod V.
Geoff
Bill Karshis
Randall Karshis

Awesome!!! I will call everybody with details on Thursday

Anybody else wanna play?!! :cool::p :D



<font color="blue"> </font> What time are you getting started? Will there be a lot of alcohol involved? Those delicous jello shots come to mind.

Jello Shots ... NUM NUM NUM

Is it cool if I bring my dog?

Is it cool if I bring my dog?



Scott you have a p.m.


We are still on for tonight, but been very busy at work sorry guys haven't posted any details I will call all of you after work with details....

Hope all you can make it and bring lights!!! Stop at Circle 786 he has those glow bracelets right by his register...


See yall tonight!!!

Thanks for setting this up. It was a good time. We should do that again during the next new moon. Those dates are listed below:
AUG. 12
SEPT. 11
OCT. 11
NOV. 9
DEC. 9

I was out at Fair Oaks on Sat. evening, That would be a pretty cool place to do night golf if anyone knows somebody out there to get it OK'd? Just a thought! :D

This might offend someone or more than someone, but here goes.

I was in Nick's the other day looking to at their 'used' disc collection. On the back of about 80% of those discs were names and phone numbers. I got two of those discs because I knew the players and have since contacted them. My main concern or grip is that what 'we' call our discs are now being sold to others. There have been many discussions on this board about people who find discs in the water or other places and do not try and get the discs back to the owners.

My question is this...Is Nick's selling stolen merchandise?

I talked with the lady in the store and she indicated that she had no intentions to get the discs back to the rightful owner. I told her what many of the 'Play It Again Sports' do and how they handle the lost disc problem. I even suggested that she start something like this and in this manner she would have customers who came in to claim their disc and be a shopper also. She did not seem interested.

The discs are $2 each and I do not mind paying a 'finder' see for my lost discs if I am contacted about it, but I do mind that they are selling discs that have other peoples names on them with contact info. I got the two that I wanted and I am getting them back to the owners, that is what I do for friends. I also understand that they are the only shop in the area that sells discs with the exception of Academy, and that we are trying to support them in this endeavor, but until this policy changes on their part I will not grace their premises again. If this policy changes, then I will be back.

Maybe if other go in and talk to them about getting these discs back to the rightful owners with a 'finders fee' attached then they will change this policy. Maybe they need a lost and found box also, again this was not well perceived on their part.

Disc On
Paul

you didnt see a red wildcat there did you?? :confused:

I looked for your red wildcat and the "Z" Extreme, no luck. My main goal was to find my CE JLS. I only recognized two names.

thanks

Circle 786 on Leafy Hollow sells discs too, and should have about 120 star discs as soon as Big Bird gets them out there. They have been great sponsor and friend to LODGA, so please take care of them! LOSO would not have happened without their monetary support this year.

Please disregard my entire previous message. Ask around you'll find out why.

What are you talkin about? :confused:

Please disregard my entire previous message. I asked around.

Unfortunately you have to hit every Academy in town to build a decent bag. You can also try Hibbets at the Forum, They may not have a wide selection but they do stock a few discs that Academy doesn't. Also the head shop on Austin Highway. I suppose Marshall St, will still get the bulk of my business, or Joel Kelly when I want a one of a kind dye job.

sports authority on san pedro and 410 has a decent selection of champion plastic, or at least they did a few months ago.

This might offend someone or more than someone, but here goes.

I was in Nick's the other day looking to at their 'used' disc collection. On the back of about 80% of those discs were names and phone numbers. I got two of those discs because I knew the players and have since contacted them. My main concern or grip is that what 'we' call our discs are now being sold to others. There have been many discussions on this board about people who find discs in the water or other places and do not try and get the discs back to the owners.

My question is this...Is Nick's selling stolen merchandise?

I talked with the lady in the store and she indicated that she had no intentions to get the discs back to the rightful owner. I told her what many of the 'Play It Again Sports' do and how they handle the lost disc problem. I even suggested that she start something like this and in this manner she would have customers who came in to claim their disc and be a shopper also. She did not seem interested.

The discs are $2 each and I do not mind paying a 'finder' see for my lost discs if I am contacted about it, but I do mind that they are selling discs that have other peoples names on them with contact info. I got the two that I wanted and I am getting them back to the owners, that is what I do for friends. I also understand that they are the only shop in the area that sells discs with the exception of Academy, and that we are trying to support them in this endeavor, but until this policy changes on their part I will not grace their premises again. If this policy changes, then I will be back.

Maybe if other go in and talk to them about getting these discs back to the rightful owners with a 'finders fee' attached then they will change this policy. Maybe they need a lost and found box also, again this was not well perceived on their part.

Disc On
Paul



So how does Nick's Sports get these used discs? It is obvious that they are someones lost ones.

they have a few people that donate them. at least that is my understanding. nick's is trying to get involved. i agree that they should try to return the discs but we don't know what they were told at the time the recieved them.

She said that they got the discs from one person who had said that 'he had gone swiming' for them. She said that she gave him some 'merchandise' for them so she 'bought' them from him. She could not remember her name.

AS for me needing to buy discs....remember, I have my source and can get them any time that I need. :D:D So I am not looking for a retail outlet, I was just looking for some of my lost discs, th main one is a CE JLS with a star on the bottom of the rim.

sports authority on san pedro and 410 has a decent selection of champion plastic, or at least they did a few months ago.



Discnation is good. When I order I usually get the discs the next day due to the close proximity to Austin.

www.discgolfvalues.com (http://www.discgolfvalues.com) The Best online disc golf store!

We need to find out who the swimmer is and work directly with him/her....Just a thought...

Did anyone hear about them pulling a 5 foot alligator out of the Live Oak pond?

Did anyone hear about them pulling a 5 foot alligator out of the Live Oak pond?



Wha Wha What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Needless to say I won't be going in after Chris Ware's disc anytime soon.

I heard they were trying...but it got away.

I have a picture of some Parks and Rec guys holding it and am going to LO today to play. I am going to try and find that house in the background.

How do you post a picture? I will post it here to see if anyone can confirm it is Live Oak.

How do you post a picture? I will post it here to see if anyone can confirm it is Live Oak.



Click the "Image" link in the Instant UBB Code section. Follow directions from there.

You can't just post the picture on the MB. The picture has to already be on another Internet site (like Flickr or Blogger, etc.).

I've seen a 6' gator here at in Buffalo Bayou at Mozola in Houston. Kinda odd considering that course is literally downtown.

i need proof.... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Just spoke with the parks crew about your gator sighting. Yes, there was a 5-6' gator captured by animal control along the outskirts of Woodcrest park. It was then given to TP&amp;W I believe for relocation...to the van down by the river!

Just spoke with the parks crew about your gator sighting. Yes, there was a 5-6' gator captured by animal control along the outskirts of Woodcrest park. It was then given to TP&amp;W I believe for relocation...to the van down by the river!



Did they check the gator's stomach for a Z Extreme?

How do you post a picture? I will post it here to see if anyone can confirm it is Live Oak.



Can you bring a copy of the pic to the mini tonight?

Just spoke with the parks crew about your gator sighting. Yes, there was a 5-6' gator captured by animal control along the outskirts of Woodcrest park. It was then given to TP&amp;W I believe for relocation...to the van down by the river!



Did they check the gator's stomach for a Z Extreme?



Or one of Jody's rollers on #8?

yes please cut that sucker open and get my Z extreme and that is probably where my red wildcat went as well :p

Noah was wondering where that other gator went ........

Just thought I would say Hello from the Hill Country!

congrats on the new casa!!

Hey post some pictures Mr. Hill Country! :D;)

Just thought I would say Hello from the Hill Country!



Hey RT! Congrats on the house!!! When is the first party? hehehehehehe :D:D

Haven't thought about that. We'll see.

It is now official, I have been appointed by SA council to represent Dist. 6 on the city's parks and recreation board. Who knows, maybe we can get discgolf on every street corner :D

Congratulations, Joe.

I'm sure you will do the DGers proud! :)

Congrats!!!!! :cool::) :D Way to go!!! :)

Congrat's LOPAR (SAPAR?) :D:D

They made a great choice.

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that is just funny

WAY TO GO JOE !!! AM I NEXT!!!!! :D :D :D :D

Way to go Joe. Kick some butt!

Thanks everyone! Can't wait to get started!

Dunno if everyone/anyone saw this, but it is definitely news-worthy.

http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=708182&amp;an=0&amp;page=0#Post7 43676

:o

i'm having a fire sale on my plastic. most used but in good shape very good prices. PM me if you are interested

The City of SA parks and rec will be hosting three town meetings to discuss the master planning of their latest park. Voelker Park will have 311 acres to work with.

YOU can participate at the following locations:
Monday, Oct. 22: 6 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. Bode Community Center @ Highland Park 901 Rigsby Ave.
Tuesday, October 23: 7 p.m. to 9:20 p.m. Jewish Community Center 12500 NW Military Highway
Wednesday, Oct. 24: 6 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. Harlandale Community Center @ Harlandale Park 7227 Briar Place.

I will be proposing among other things, A TOURNAMENT CALIBER COURSE(s), but the more requests from other golfers would only help the cause.

If you need other info: call 207-2879 or go to:
www.sanantonio.gov/sapar/voelckerproperty.asp (http://www.sanantonio.gov/sapar/voelckerproperty.asp)

:cool:

Thanks for the info dude. I'll definately be at at least one of those.

Thanks, Joe!

IMHO It would be better to pick one and get as many as possible to that meeting...strength in numbers.

(I suggest NW Military location)

that would be a great idea. The only one
I could make would be harlendale. Remember,
if you can't make a meeting then go to the
website listed above and send emails to Scott Stover.

The pictures of the land look sooooooo perfect for a championship caliber course. Lets all try and show up to these meetings and maybe someday SA will host World Disc Golf Championships!!!! :)

...maybe someday SA will host World Disc Golf Championships!!!! :)



This is something I would definitely come back for :D

Seriously, the property begs for a DG course (or two?) I didn't have time to read through the whole site, but it sounds like they are starting the park from scratch? Is there any program the city is mandating, i.e. ball courts, soccer fields, hike and bike, dog park, etc.? Or is the entire 300+ acres up for grabs?

Anyone know how many acres are in LO City Park, for a reference?

LO city park has approx. 70 acres stretched from the pool to the lake. SA IS looking for feedback to develop Voelker from scratch. There is a some historical value to this site that can/may lend to the final master planning. Because of this, it may impact some of the ideas, but you never know..

Sorry to change the subject for a sec but does anyone know about the course they once had planned for Cibolo?

Thanks, Joe!

IMHO It would be better to pick one and get as many as possible to that meeting...strength in numbers.

(I suggest NW Military location)




Hey Brian, Jimbob &amp; I can probably make this meeting too...


That park looks great!! Where is it? what part of SA?

I'll ask around about Cibolo and Schertz..

http://www.voelckerfarm.org/images/map_wmk8.jpg

I sent this email to Scott Stover:
<font color="blue">
Hi Scott,

Some disc golfers and I are planning to attend the 10/23 meeting at the JCC on NW Military. We�d like to propose a disc golf course for a portion of the Voelcker property.

Should we be ready to give a formal presentation? I just want to know how much to prepare.
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Here is his reply:
<font color="blue">
Brian.
glad you guys are coming!!! the input will be in the form of a series of mini charettes in small and larger groups, rather than individuals standing at a microphone and giving comments as past meetings. i would see if you can bring as many as you can so that there is one of you in each breakout group...look forward to seeing you there.
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So come on out and lets support this.

We should probably meet a few minutes before we walk in there so that we are all on the same page. We need to be ready to address concerns of other groups.

BTW, what is a Charette?

The term �charette� evolved from a pre-1900 exercise at the Ecole des Beaux Arts in France. Architectural students were given a design problem to solve within an allotted time. When that time was up, the students would rush their drawings from the studio to the Ecole in a cart called a charrette. Students often jumped in the cart to finish drawings on the way. The term evolved to refer to the intense design exercise itself. Today it refers to a creative process akin to visual brainstorming that is used by design professionals to develop solutions to a design problem within a limited timeframe.

I sent this email to Scott Stover:
<font color="blue">
Hi Scott,

Some disc golfers and I are planning to attend the 10/23 meeting at the JCC on NW Military. We�d like to propose a disc golf course for a portion of the Voelcker property.

Should we be ready to give a formal presentation? I just want to know how much to prepare.
</font>
Here is his reply:
<font color="blue">
Brian.
glad you guys are coming!!! the input will be in the form of a series of mini charettes in small and larger groups, rather than individuals standing at a microphone and giving comments as past meetings. i would see if you can bring as many as you can so that there is one of you in each breakout group...look forward to seeing you there.
</font>

So come on out and lets support this.

We should probably meet a few minutes before we walk in there so that we are all on the same page. We need to be ready to address concerns of other groups.



Brian call me on Jimbob's phone this weekend I have some information we can take with us as well...

Count me in for this meeting. See you there.

Do we have any talking points? Like approximate square footage needed, benefits of having disc golf, shared areas, costs, maintenance costs, number of players in 50 mile radius that play, etc.?

I have a proposal adapted from the Golden Gate Club's proposal I used in Rockport with a lot of that info you pointed at. I'll look through my files when I get home.

Proposal (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HIXADI9X)

Sorry for the wait.

http://crazy-jokes.com/pictures/dogsmile.jpg

Thanks, dog

Here's a link to a Power Point Presentation that can be used and adapted:

Disc Golf Presentation (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=discgolfpresentation.ppt&amp;btnG=Googl e+Search)

Don't forget the info on the Innova web site, Good Stuff!

I took an existing document and modified it for use as a handout at the meeting. If there is anything that should be added, post your ideas here.

DISC GOLF IN VOELKER PARK :

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

The Live Oak Disc Golf Alliance, a not-for-profit organization composed of Live Oak, Universal City, San Antonio, New Braunfels, and other surrounding area disc golf players, is proposing the installation of an 18-hole disc golf course in Voelker Park. Below are some commonly asked questions about the proposal.

What Is Disc Golf?

Disc golf is played like traditional golf, only instead of hitting a ball into a hole you throw a plastic disc (similar to a Frisbee) into an elevated metal basket. The goal is the same: to complete the course in the fewest number of shots. A golf disc is thrown from a tee area to the basket, which is the "hole". As a player progresses down the fairway, he or she must make each consecutive shot from the spot where the previous throw landed. The existing trees, shrubs and terrain changes in and around the fairways provide challenging obstacles. Finally, the "putt" lands in the basket and the hole has been completed. Disc golf also shares many of the etiquette and procedural rules of traditional golf. For example, players must be quiet and still while other players are throwing.

Why Have Parks Departments Chosen Disc Golf?

There are now around 800 disc golf courses in the US and Canada, most installed by city and county parks departments. They have found that there are few recreational activities that offer the high benefit-to-cost ratio of disc golf. Disc golf has low capital and maintenance costs, is environmentally sound, is played year-round, co-exists successfully with other park uses (such as dog-walking and hiking) and is enjoyed by beginners of all ages.

Who Can Play?

The simple answer is that everyone can. In studies measuring recreational activities, "throwing a Frisbee" has consistently been a top-ten activity. A disc golf course serves a broader portion of the community than many narrower interest activities with higher cost, skill or fitness levels required to participate. Men and women, young and old, families with small children -- all can play disc golf. Given the density of middle and high schools in the surrounding area, a course would give youth in the neighborhood a healthy and challenging outlet for their energies. Towards this end, the Club will work with the Parks Department and athletic directors from neighborhood schools to organize clinics and youth leagues.

How Much Will It Cost To Play? How Much Will It Cost to Build?

The course will be free to play and the equipment itself is quite inexpensive. Players use either a regular Frisbee or purchase a golf disc (which flies farther) for around $8. An 18-hole golf course with a dual set of tees, professional signs and baskets could be purchased and installed for around $30,000, less than the cost of a single tennis or basketball court.

The club recommends that the course be designed by John Houck, a designer with more than 30 years experience in disc sports and disc golf course design, and who lives in Wimberly, Texas. John has designed an impressive list of over 100 courses across the country, including area courses in Live Oak City Park, Kyle, Austin, New Braunfels, Gonzales, and Victoria, to name a few.

How Much Land Would Be Needed? Will It Conflict With Other Park Uses?

An 18-hole course would require approximately 18-24 acres, depending on the final design. One of the outstanding features of a disc golf course is its ability to successfully co-exist with other active and passive recreation uses such as dog walking and hiking. The course will be designed to avoid areas where groups regularly congregate such dog run areas, picnic areas, and playground areas. In addition, the portability of baskets and signs would allow the park department to inexpensively relocate holes if the needs of the Master Plan dictate that.

What Would The Maintenance Needs Be?

After installation, the maintenance needs for the course would be minimal. The baskets are made of rust-resistant, heavy-duty welded steel anchored below ground-level in concrete, and require no regular maintenance. In the unlikely event that one of these baskets is damaged beyond repair or stolen, it can be replaced for around $350. The tees, which will consist of concrete, will provide years of service. Pathways may need occasional maintenance, which Club volunteers would do under proper supervision, to prevent erosion caused by pedestrian traffic. The remainder of the course layout would require no regular maintenance.

What About Parking?

Parking for the course would take place inside the park near the first tee, rather than on nearby residential streets.

Is Disc Golf Environmentally Sensitive?

Disc golf is an uniquely environment-friendly sport. It provides the challenges of a structured sport while utilizing, but not altering, the natural landscape. Unlike traditional golf, a disc golf course does not require that trees be cut down, fairways mowed and watered, plants uprooted or non-native species planted. Rather, the course fits into the existing flora of the park. The Club will work with the Parks Department's representative to minimize erosion and damage to trees and shrubs. Trash cans will be placed along the course. Finally, the course will not be obtrusive. The tees will be level with the ground and will be visible only from a short distance. The baskets are dull metal and do not stand out, and most will be positioned in the trees. Small maps at each tee will illustrate the hole layout and will be designed in terms of color and shape so that they blend in with the landscape.

How Could A Disc Golf Course Make Voelker Park Safer?

A disc golf course at Voelker would increase people presence in the park at random times during weekdays and steadily during weekends. The influx of purposeful visitors would discourage the presence of individuals who are only in the park to cause mischief and perhaps engage in crime. Testimony from parks departments all over the country has shown that the installation of a disc golf course has led to significant decreases in vandalism, litter and illegal dumping since users have a stake in keeping the course and surrounding area clean and well-kept.



If there is something that you think should be added, post it here.

I'd put in for a top end of 30 acres. That would cover 1.5 acres per hole and still leave 3 acres for parking, restroom facilities, a pavilion, etc, plus provides a built-in buffer to keep the course away from other heavy-use areas.

If they balk, you can always back it down. Of course, you won't really know how much gets used until the design begins.

Good thought.

Along the same lines I was thinking of asking for 27 holes.

We can always fall back to 18. :D

Everyone should send their own email to Scott to show how stringly we feel about the need for another course.

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Subject: RE: Voelcker Park
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:12:43 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]; [email protected]


Scott.
Thanks for your comments on the development of voelcker park. we will add your comments to the webpage and forward to the consultant as well.
thanks again!

Scott E. Stover, RLA
Park Projects Manager
Park Project Services Division
Parks and Recreation Department
City of San Antonio
210.207.2872 (phone)
[email protected]
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From: Scott Hougland [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:06 PM
To: Scott Stover
Subject: Voelcker Park


Greetings,

I wanted to email you about features for Voelcker Park. San Antonio definitely needs a premier world class disc golf course. From the project vision I read on the website it appears San Antonio wants Voelcker Park to be a world class park. If that is the case they should follow the lead of other world class urban parks like Golden Gate Park in San Francisco, CA and New Quarter Park in Yorktown, PA. Those urban parks have world class disc golf courses and they really make the parks special. Disc golf is the fastest growing sport in the US. Some benefits of disc golf courses:

Love environmental impact
Course(s) can be placed in wooded areas and open areas with minimal alteration to the surrounding landscape
Free for players to play, very cheap to get started
Players help keep out vandalizing and loitering in wooded areas
Played by thousands of people in the San Antonio area
I personally that amount of land can easily support 2 world class disc golf courses. With the 2 top notches courses in Live Oak, 1 in Universal City, and another on the North East side of San Antonio, the San Antonio area will become a potential candidate for the World Disc Golf Championships. This event, typically played on all public courses on a metro area, brings in hundreds of thousands of dollars to the community.

It is not uncommon in the San Antonio metro area to see hundreds of people playing disc golf at any of the 4 San Antonio area course on any given day. There is still a need for more courses in San Antonio.


Thank you,
Scott Hougland

I took an existing document and modified it for use as a handout at the meeting. If there is anything that should be added, post your ideas here.

DISC GOLF IN VOELKER PARK :

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

The Live Oak Disc Golf Alliance, a not-for-profit organization composed of Live Oak, Universal City, San Antonio, New Braunfels, and other surrounding area disc golf players, is proposing the installation of an 18-hole disc golf course in Voelker Park. Below are some commonly asked questions about the proposal.

If there is something that you think should be added, post it here.



Maybe it can read The Live Oak Disc Golf Alliance and The San Antonio Disc Club are proposing?

I agree with that. I think that with LODGC heading up the course maintenance, running minis and a league, plus the occasional tourney for (3) 18 hole courses [2 @ LO and 1 @ UC], the newly emerging Alamo Disc Golf Club could step up and be the lead representative on this course. My personal opinion is that by splitting up the courses to different clubs the courses benefit.

Before we propose to install/pay for a new course, we should see about the City/another partner to flip the bill. Maybe it should read: LODGC/LODGA will provide assistance to the development/installation of ANY new courses approved by the city.

The SA Parks Foundation is an organization that may provide funding. I have already begun communications with their liaison to the Board about a possible course for McAllister Park.

When the time comes to make a formal presentation to the foundation, I will let you know.

This is an exciting time for us all, and it may be just what we need to get better/fully organized.

I didnt intend that we pay for it! I propose the city of SA does it all. We just tell them how. :DI will use your wording, Joe. We dont want them to get the wrong idea.

So as not to offend or alienate anyone, how about if we just leave out the mention of any specific clubs at this point. I can change the lead paragraph to:

Local Disc golf clubs, comprised of players from San Antonio, Live Oak, Universal City, New Braunfels, Bandera, are proposing...

We can deal with who takes the lead later.

OK, what else?

Sounds good to me...... :cool:

New Introduction:

Local Disc Golf clubs, composed of players from Live Oak, Universal City, San Antonio, New Braunfels, and other surrounding areas, would like to volunteer our assistance to the Parks and Recreation Department for the development and installation of a championship caliber 18-hole or 27-hole disc golf course in Voelker Park.

Nice.

I don't think I can make it tomorrow. I've got family stuff. I am going to try and go Wednesday. Is anyone else going Wednesday?

Looks good, see y'all tomorrow!

We are a disc golf community and <u>together</u> we take the lead!!! ;)

I'll be there on Wed.

I have sent a suggestion to Scott, proposing a course be put in at Voelker, and his response was "great suggestion. we will add to our website and forward to the design team!!!"

I think John Houck and or Mike Olse should be involved in getting the course in. They are excellent designers and were invaluable in designing USAA's course. They will also know how to help the parks dept make decisions like multiple tee pads, etc. Any of us could do it, but Mike and John can optimize everything, trust me. I have sent a note to Mike and they are willing and able to help out. I also sent Scott their information.

I think that is a great idea. Especially since they have expereince in the past doing this type of work. I saw your note on the website. Nice work!

Horray for a Gold Level course being put in San Antonio ... hopefully :D:D:D:D:D

From the proposal, above:

The club recommends that the course be designed by John Houck, a designer with more than 30 years experience in disc sports and disc golf course design, and who lives in Wimberly, Texas. John has designed an impressive list of over 100 courses across the country, including area courses in Live Oak City Park, Kyle, Austin, New Braunfels, Gonzales, and Victoria, to name a few.

Hey Partner,

Are you going to have this proposal with you tonight and copies of it or do we need to put it together and bring it with us?

Several of us had talked about what Lyle had said earlier at the mini this past weekend. We need someone who knows what they are doing and how to do for this project.

Lyle,
When is the MINI at USAA going to be? Maybe we could do something like the Civilian/Military tourney there to get more people involved.

I am going to bring about 25 copies of the proposal.

Also, if we can get everyone there by about 6:35, we can have a quick meeting before the main event.

I agree that we need to have Houck involved early on in the process, assuming we can get the city to agree to it.

Just want to wish everyone attending tonight's meeting the best of luck! Remember, there are going to be other ideas proposed and fortunately disc golf can work well with each one of them.

We won't be able to make any of the meetings. :( Thank You all for giving your time to represent Disc Golfers. :)

Did anyone make it to last night's meeting? How did it go?

According to our Capital Project Manager this is the situation: The Disc Golf Course and Youth Practice Facility are both on the same schedule at Pearsall Park. In addition, our project is very closely tied to a Public Works Stormwater Project (Laddie Place) that is supplying fill material/soil for our projects. Due to the extremely wet summer we had, the projects have experienced some delays. In fact, we have yet to be able to return to the Laddie Place site for the remainder of the fill material needed at Pearsall Park because the soils have been so slow to dry out. We are in hopes that the recent spell of dry weather we have seen for the last 6 weeks or so will finally allow us to continue these projects in the upcoming weeks. The small amount of rain seen Monday morning should have a limited impact on this schedule. If all goes as planned, I am anticipating completion in December or January. You are welcome to call or stay in contact with Carlos Mendez who is the Project Manager on this project. Carlos can be reached at 207-2875 or [email protected] Please let me know if you have any additional questions.

USAA's course.



:)

Is it open to USAA members?

:)

How about, is it open to people who drive by USAA?

Thanks Chinger for the update on Pearsall :) :cool:

How did it go last night? Did we represent well?

It was great!! We got a lot of people from the community very interested and asking questions about DG as well as all existing in courses in LO, UC &amp; SA. They are very concerned about keeping this park very natural and environmentally safe, so they liked our kind of recreation instead of Baseball, Football, Soccer, etc...

We also informed of the crime rate in LO going down because of DGr's which really won them over... I can't go into lot of details right now, very busy at work. UpDog? where are you? Brian was our speaker last night and did great!!

Take it away uPDog......

Well they asked for 6 volunteers to speak to the crowd (about 800?) about what they wanted in the park, so I just decided to go for it. It was a little scary. Luckily I only had about 1 minute to talk.

I basically tried to repeat back to them what they wanted to hear--keeping the park natural, appealing to all ages and to all neighborhoods, and that DG was a perfect fit and that San Antonio needs more courses!

We distributed about 50 handouts to all the tables in the room I also spoke to Scott Stover, and one of the park architects, and gave her a flyer. She asked for more specifics on course implementation, but no promises. I also asked if they would be willing to enlist a course designer and she said they would.

More later.

Nice work and thanks to all who went out to represent!

Any way you can email be the handout you used last night in word format to [email protected], I am going to tonight's meeting and want to make sure I use the same materials.

Done!

great job to all!!!!

Good job y'all!!! :D

Check out Jim Bob here (http://www.sanantonio.gov/sapar/voelckerpublicinputphotos.asp) Making sure they're doing it right.

Well, the final meeting wasn't nearly as large as last night's (maybe 10), but between the under-riding concerns of those attending, a few quality suggestions came about.
We can thank Scott H. for providing THE solution for a well received recreational activity in the park. He even brought visuals!! If it was still light out I bet we would have been playing obstacle golf to get the point across. Good Job Scott!!!

There should be more meetings in the upcoming months, hopefully showing the progression of the master plan. I want to thank everyone who attended the meetings and sent emails. I will keep you posted as I know more.

Thanks Brian and Scott for taking the lead. I wish we could have made one of the meetings. Thanks Again to everyone. :)

Awesome job, Scott. It's vital to win over the Parks dept and the architects, so dont worry about the small crowd. I think we definitely have their attention! :cool:

I chatted it up and made nice with one of the consultants doing the design :D. I gave her my contact info and said the local disc community will be here to help out in any way they need. I also gave her John Houck's name and website address. They are big on using local consultants to help with environmental analysis, useage analysis, etc. I figured since John has built many courses he likely knows all about parking and erosion and the like. I took some notes, they are below:

<u> Key Attributes of the Park </u>
<ul type="square"> Must be a city wide park
Must be flexible in design to allow for changes
Must preserve the environment
Must be sustainable
[/list]

Luckily disc golf fits into all those categories.

Other important dates ...
Mid December 07 - Public Meeting #2 (update on site analysis)
February 08 - Public Meeting #3 (update on park options, progress of master plan)
May/June 08 - Public Meeting #4 (final master plan presentation)

Did you see the Express News Article (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/recreation/stories/MYSA102807.01B.Voelcker.32b3b78.html) on the Voelcker Park public hearings that doesnt even mention disc golf?

I sent this letter to the San Antonio Excuse and Snooze:

Most respondents cited their wish for minimal environmental impact to Voelcker park.

What was not even mentioned in the E-N article was Disc Golf. Our local club sent representatives to at least 2 if not all 3 public hearings. I myself stood in front of the room at the NW Military meeting and spoke about Disc Golf. Why would this not even deserve mention in the article?

Disc golf is a natural fit for Voelker for several reasons:

1. Low environmental impact. We do not remove trees, we play around them. We do not clear wide fairways or change existing elevation changes, grades, or slopes. A course requires a fraction of the land required for "ball golf".

2. It's cheap to install and to play. For about the cost of a tennis court, an entire 18-hole course can be built, and a course can entertain up to 90 players at one time. The only required equipment is a frisbee, which costs about $8.

3. It's a game for a wide variety of age groups. Many schools have incorporated disc golf into their physical education programs. Disc golf tournaments have age-protected divisions up to 70+ years of age.

4. It reduces crime in parks because of activity at random times during the week, and fairly constantly on weekends. Bad actors don't like to be seen or surprised.

So I'd like to see the reporters should try a little harder to get all the facts. While the Parks and Recreation department has been responsive to the need for more disc golf courses in San Antonio, it would be nice if the local paper would help us to get the word out to the public.

We should team up with these folks:
http://www.voelckerfarm.org/

Good idea...I sent them a copy.

Nice! I read that article and was disgusted of the conspicuous absence of disc golf :mad:. I wonder if the reporter was at any of the meetings or was writing from secondhand info?
:confused:

or is just ignorant as to what disc golf is. I saw in the article it talked about ball fields ... from what I gathered, there will not be any ball fields, they want to leave the park as natural as possible without clearing huge swaths of land for yet another stupid soccer field ... this is america people, we don't like soccer, leave soccer for the Euros.

Just post these at all entrances:
http://home.no.net/bernt/soccer/antisoccer.gif

this is america people, we don't like soccer, leave soccer for the Euros.



:mad:
I like soccer, and they call it football

;)

updog there had to be atleast 500 people in our Tuesday night gathering, the writer of this story had to have alot of second hand imformation. On top of that a skate park gets mentioned and i think there were two guys there i talked to, thats messed up!! :(

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A SKATE PARK!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

I already feel like chunking discs at them every time I play LO 16! They're the most inconsiderate group yet!!! I've yet to catch one opening a door at a strip center, but I keep trying. :D

A SKATE PARK!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

I already feel like chunking discs at them every time I play LO 16! They're the most inconsiderate group yet!!! I've yet to catch one opening a door at a strip center, but I keep trying. :D



I didn't realize they were old enough for a strip center, oh wait, never mind

A SKATE PARK!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

I already feel like chunking discs at them every time I play LO 16! They're the most inconsiderate group yet!!! I've yet to catch one opening a door at a strip center, but I keep trying. :D



And they never land a trick :D:D

Seriously ... In all the time I've been out there I've only seen one guy land a trick and that was just an olly.

In fairness, its a pretty secluded spot for the groms and kooks to practice. From a skater's perspective, there's not much to it - a culvert and a drop...it's a wading pool. The young ones can get better there so they can show off in the deep end one day.

Hey Geoff, you should come down and check out McClain. :) :eek: You won't believe how good it looks now compared to a couple of months ago. There are sooooo many new faces playing that course every day. :) :cool:

I wanted to make it down before Teams, but I don't see it happening with my current schedule. I will make it for one of the minis before the end of the year, tho.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8937/58064961spookysi3.jpg

Trick or treat.

Wasn't sure where to put this, so I'll put it here... the affiliate club dues for 2008 are due. I've paid them the last three years, but not for next year. If you want to take it over, pm me your e-mail address and I'll forward the info to you from the PDGA office. If it's not renewed, it will lapse and the LODGA thread will be deleted.

Wasn't sure where to put this, so I'll put it here... the affiliate club dues for 2008 are due. I've paid them the last three years, but not for next year. If you want to take it over, pm me your e-mail address and I'll forward the info to you from the PDGA office. If it's not renewed, it will lapse and the LODGA thread will be deleted.



Brian, you have a pm...

PDGA renewal:

If you plan to renew your PDGA membership for 2008, just remember that if you do it through LODGA, you will save $5 off the regular fee. LODGA passes the savings on to you.

More details coming soon...

PDGA renewal:

If you plan to renew your PDGA membership for 2008, just remember that if you do it through LODGA, you will save $5 off the regular fee. LODGA passes the savings on to you.

More details coming soon...



Please click on this for information: http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=760541&amp;Main=482519#Post7 60541

Thanks Brian and Laura!

And thank you for everything you did, Brian. Without you there would be nothing to carry on . I would also like to thank you both for carrying on the LODGA. :D:D:D

It takes a whole TEAM of people to replace Mr. Schmidt.

I think we all no that now. Thanks for looking out for us Brian

HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL!! gobble gobble gobble

I know I've been off the reservation for a bit, but how many Disc Golf Clubs (alliance, groups, flocks, etc...) are there now in and around the SA area? Is there REALLY a SA club, LO club, UC club, Nani club,etc...? :confused:

Just two, LODGA and SADC.

why?

why?


To help promote the sport, run minis and leagues at multiple courses, keep up with course maintenance at all the courses, etc.

why?



Why not? San Antonio needs a club to go before the parks, city, etc: and it needs to be a club from San Antonio. I think they would listen to us more. For example, when McClain opened up people were telling them (the paper/city) about lodga and they were asking what is the name of the SA Disc Golf Club or SA Womens Disc Golf League? They want it and we want it.

why?



Why not? San Antonio needs a club to go before the parks, city, etc: and it needs to be a club from San Antonio. I think they would listen to us more. For example, when McClain opened up people were telling them (the paper/city) about lodga and they were asking what is the name of the SA Disc Golf Club or SA Womens Disc Golf League? They want it and we want it.



Bird is right that is why Brian back in the day formed:

LODGA is an alliance of players from San Antonio, Live Oak, Universal City, Schertz, New Braunfels, Pipe Creek and Gonzales. We have several "mini" tournaments throughout the week including our summer league. The LODGA is a PDGA affiliated club. Enjoy your stay, and please come back often!

Beside why should a City dicate your clubs name? :D

I cannot believe that I am saying this...

Dave, you hit the nail right on the head...go back and re-read ONE of your sentences.

ps..it's the one that has not been said before.

it's time for two clubs, good job SADC. Just keep the competition healthy. Played McLain Friday, nice tee boxes! LOSO may come calling in July.

I keep hearing they are going to pull some of the holes at UC soon. If this is true, we need to start working on new hole designs and start clearing out fairways. I remember Larry showed me a sketch of where he was thinking of putting 3 new holes to replace the ones we are losing. Does anyone know how many holes? Maybe we should have a couple of workdays instead of the mini?

I have the contact for the UC Parks dept.

I will call him tomorrow and find out the story.

I agree we need to start working on this.

Brian is UC planning to pull more holes in the future?

With 40 acres for our usage I feel the clubs should start thinking long term. Every level area that isn't in the flood plain will be some sort of ball field sooner or later.

UpDog will get the scoop and let you know. I doubt they will ever use this land other than for DG, it runs along the cibolo creek that floods frequently. Unfortunately, it is somewhat tree-less due to that flooding.

Had to leave voice mail. No news to report.

Got a call back, it's all good news.

1. There are no plans to remove any holes. No additional ball fields are planned. The course is fine as it is now.
I asked him to let me know if things should change.

2. The eagle scout is still working on the tee signs project. There are many levels of approvals required, but it is still planned, probably in January. His brother was also an eagle scout, and his projects were picnic tables and benches in the park.

Got a call back, it's all good news.

1. There are no plans to remove any holes. No additional ball fields are planned. The course is fine as it is now.
I asked him to let me know if things should change.

2. The eagle scout is still working on the tee signs project. There are many levels of approvals required, but it is still planned, probably in January. His brother was also an eagle scout, and his projects were picnic tables and benches in the park.



Just playing devils advocate here ...

Should there be plans to move holes 1, 2, &amp; 18? These holes are very close to and cross over the path which is a bad idea. All it takes is one kid getting hit or an angry mom and the entire course could get pulled. I've seen it happen at other courses. If there is more land then why not be proactive and move these holes now. In my opinion these are pretty weak holes anyway.

Thoughts?

That's great news UpDog, thanks for looking into this. Can Randy guarantee all the holes will be playable in July 2008? I'm getting the LOSO date confirmed right now.

Also, I will contribute $100 towards replacing the basket on old 15. Any others in on that?

UpDog, did UC say anything about replacing the broken tee pad on 16? (old #15) It looks like one of their dozer tried to tee off.... :D

Bee, when you get the exact date, I'll call him again.