I see this on alot of tournaments and still dont know what this is all about.

A 999 means the person withdrew from the event by not showing up or quitting a round by choice or injury.

Speaking of which, I thought there was a difference between a withdraw (meaning due to emergency, withdraw etc) and someone just flat out quitting.

I thought there was a 777 for the withdraw and 999 for quitting. I know even if you put it in as 777, it shows up as 999, but can't there be some recognition between the two?

Nope. At one point, there was discussion whether a player who skips a round could get a 777 so they could get ratings in later rounds. However, that didn't happen. So, once you get 999, it's a DNF. No rounds after that will be rated even if you play them.

So, once you get 999, it's a DNF. No rounds after that will be rated even if you play them.



Check out JJ (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5601&year=2006&include_ratings=1#Open)

At one point, there was discussion whether a player who skips a round could get a 777 so they could get ratings in later rounds.



Shouldn't you just put that players score in as 72 plus par if they spoke with TD before hand?

I've sent a note to Gentry to confirm. As far as I know, that has been the policy not to rate rounds after a DNF.

So, once you get 999, it's a DNF. No rounds after that will be rated even if you play them.



Check out JJ (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5601&year=2006&include_ratings=1#Open)



Dan Mueller (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5562&year=2006&include_ratings=1#Advanced%20Masters) too in advanced masters.

We have had players sign up to play even though they knew they were going to need to miss at least one round at the start or middle of a tournament.

This does add the possibility of skewing the ratings if more than a handful of holes are missed at the start of a round and 7s are given to the player. There should be a minimum number of holes required or else the round is reported as a 999.

I checked with Gentry and it looks like it will become a TD decision whether rounds after a 999 will be allowed and counted. If they get reported on the TD report after a 999, they will be calculated. At this point, there's no need for us to know why the round was a 999, just that it was not played or completed for some reason.

This does add the possibility of skewing the ratings if more than a handful of holes are missed at the start of a round and 7s are given to the player.



If more than 1-2 holes are missed at the beginning of a round, there's a pretty good chance the round will be tossed out due to the likelihood the round rating will fall below a player's 2.5SD rating threshold for dropping it.

But will it be thrown out before the course SSA is calculated ?

That's been true for a long time. I believe any propagator who shoots more than 60 points (might be 70) below their rating is excluded from the SSA calc for official round ratings.

Good, I know that early on if a TD scored 127 for a player and it was put in the unofficial stats, it skewed the ratings for the whole field.

It's harder to do the exclusion in the online software. Roger runs the ratings calcs thru one pass. Then excludes the props with ratings too low. Then runs a second pass without them to calculate the official SSA and round ratings.

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but shouldnt a player be penalized for "quitting" opposed to dropping out due to injury? I know it's subjective and no one other than the player can truly tell if a DNF is do to injury or quitting, but it seems silly that a player who's having a bad round can just quit without penalty.

thoughts?

Define "without penalty".

The player gets a DNF, and can not win anything.

What level of penalty are you in favor of ?

Ha, good question..

I would say that "quitting" falls under 804.05 A. (3) Cheating and should then be subject to Section C. (possibility of suspension.)

Again this would be hard to enforce because pain and/or injury is not easily tangible, but I do suspect groups could determine the reason for DNFing..

Even the chance of a player being suspended is a deterrent to "quitting" due to a bad round, no?

Why is a player quitting "just because they want to" a detriment to any other player, even if it's to preserve their rating? All that quitting does is artificially boost a player's rating in theory meaning they might have to play in a division higher than their skill level. And the problem is?

I can understand if a player is being disruptive because of a bad round but that can usually be handled under courtesy issues.

The only problem is when they quit mid round and a threesome becomes a twosome. Then it affects the players on that card and either the TD or the card behind that they end up combining with.

I think there should be a different score for those not able to finish a round due to being possessed: 666

I mean, C'mon, it's not MY fault it happened!!