im excited...R U?
whats the system this time? anything different?

The boost factor, that was put in last year to offset the fact that your bottom 15% would now be included, has gradually been reduced since the begining of the year and will now be gone. It means that the unofficial ratings that you've seen online might show up 1 or 2 points lower once official (assuming they were posted online properly in the first place). Dave has to update the online formula so the reduced boost isn't in there any more. Otherwise, business as usual. No changes planned for a while. We'll start to organize records and maybe develop a webpage that shows some of these. I think the database volunteers are looking into finally getting SSA values linked into the Course Directory.

sweet..thanks.

This weekend is the dropdeadline for TDs to get their reports in to be included in ratings. If you know a TD who needs a nudge, give him a call.

I decided to get mine done last night or this morning or else I could not go play league doubles. I put Kelsey in charge of nagging me. I got mine done about 11:00 last night and the Powers That Be rewarded me with a second place, last cash finish. For faithfully nagging me, Kelsey drew the best player there and they finished first. :D

The Awesome Akron Open ( which was run on 27 aug 06 ) has been posted and money has been transacted via paypal to the PDGA as per 02 sep 06 . I wanted to get those taken care of since the open player who won was his first PDGA victory and thought it would be nice to have it show up for this ratings run .
Thanks to all who showed up .

The Awesome Akron Open ( which was run on 27 aug 06 ) has been posted and money has been transacted via paypal to the PDGA as per 02 sep 06 . I wanted to get those taken care of since the open player who won was his first PDGA victory and thought it would be nice to have it show up for this ratings run .
Thanks to all who showed up .



Bill, if you need any help with the PDGA Online Tournament Scoring System (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/admin/) in the future, please let me know. I'd be glad to assist you in entering pre-registration before the event, and then upload scores and payouts and obtain round ratings immediately after the event concludes. -Jeff

Jerry Powers---seems to have a killer program...that is to my knowledge...but what do I know. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

That is for current tourney knowledge during an event. excuse me...I swallowed a fly.

I have seen Jerrys P"r"owers on the course ( am worlds ) and off ( norman pro am )
Yea he has a kick a-- set up and he is a very nice guy to boot .


Jeff thanks for the offer . I feel like I am slow in getting with the program but someday I will get a laptop and get this going
Untlil then I will have to do it on the weekend following the event .

Jon informs me that the TD Reports and money for the Streamwood Sturgeon have been sent.

Jerry Powers---seems to have a killer program...that is to my knowledge...but what do I know.



We're pleased to announce that Jerry has joined the Ratings Committee and hope to integrate his program with the PDGA TD report and tap his expertise to develop some additional TD tools.

I think the database volunteers are looking into finally getting SSA values linked into the Course Directory.



SWeet!

Bruce, who was the best player there? I missed it due to Finals.

Exellent move!! Of the 2 scoring programs I have used at tournaments, Jerry's is easier to use for online scoring. Click a button, and the data is all there ready in a seperate worksheet to by dropped into the box for on-line scoring. Very handy.

With this colaboration, I hope it will be possible to do the same kind of copy-and-paste into the electronic TD report. Re-entering names, scores, etc......is the most time consuming part.

The next update will include the largest number of rounds ever with over 200 events including five majors. It's still on schedule for posting by the 19th. Today was the deadline to get TD reports to Gentry.

I wouldn't mind if that update was about six months late....

I wouldn't mind if that update was about six months late....


I'm declining...AAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! :mad:

Movin on up to the east side......

WTG, Lionel! :cool:

I think I'm going up this time, but I'm not certain. The really bad all-lefty rounds that counted should be dropping out, I hope. I've had some good rounds recently that might get in if the TDs got their reports done. I missed out on most of the juice when ratings were juiced. Maybe I'll catch up with Rhett! :D

Cool!!

Congrats again Chuck for this years HOF !!

I'm pretty sure I'll be going up but it will only be like 3-4 points I bet.

Congrats again Chuck for this years HOF



Thanks. I joked at the banquet that I hoped it was my contributions and not the 20 extra rating points each of the HOF voters had gotten in the June update that made the difference :)

Hehe well it wouldn't of hurt hehe....

The next update will include the largest number of rounds ever with over 200 events including five majors. It's still on schedule for posting by <font color="blue"> the 19th.</font>


/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif Im sure my B-Day present from the PDGA will be a "Ratings Crash" :D

Is the Michigan State Championships going to be added for the next update? Because that would suck for me.

Depends if they got the TD report to Dave by yesterday.

hey chuck...serious question

is it possible to have rounds played with torn tendons and muscles within a 6 day period EXCLUDED from the ratings with a doctors note?

i knew my arm was hurt(didn't know that badly) but played the hotlanta supertour and pro worlds (of which all those rounds being double weighted) which does not paint an accurate picture of my truly bad(958)rating ...

it will take a year for those inaccurate rounds to come off my ratings...which would not seem to be fair to the ratings


just curious what the deal is or am i just stuck with them

unlike biscoe, my goal is not to be rated at an am eligible rating :) as he won't let me play in the team tournament in virginia anyways ;)

Keith,


I think you're stuck with them Keith.....

I had ankle surgery this past October to repair a tendon on my plant foot with rehab til this day still. So does that mean all the tourneys I played with bad rated rounds I can drop them too?? I don't think so.


I think the options will be "play or not play".

Josh

Just play and take your bad ratings like a mature grown up. But don't play if it might make your injury worse and cause you to leave the sport forever again. Look at my stats. All those 800 rounds were lefty. In three weeks they all go away and maybe my rating gets a big bounce.

Meanwhile, you can have the satisfaction of dragging down ratings for everyone at the tournaments you play. :) Touring pros will see that you've pre-registered for the next NT and they will just drive on to the next town! :D

But seriously, the ratings system assumes that some people play injured, some people play sick, some people are rapidly improving, some people have hard liquor in their big bottle of Diet Coke. It all evens out.

ALEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

is it possible to have rounds played with torn tendons and muscles within a 6 day period EXCLUDED from the ratings with a doctors note?




I know in one sense it would be great if we could delete the rounds when we were sick or injured. But how sick is too sick, how long is the injury for, when are you back to normal? Imagine trying to keep track of this for 10,000 players. It's impractical.

That's why we've done the statistical approach. Guaranteed to drop any round more than 100 points below your rating. And the higher your rating or more consistent you are, the more likely rounds even 70 points below your rating will be dropped. This way, your bad rounds get dropped for whatever reason strictly based on the numbers. We don't care why the round was bad - slept late and took a few 7s, had bad cramps after lunch, twisted an ankle during the round. Using the numbers is the only fair way to manage this issue and treat everyone the same.

just to put this out there again since i have gotten no response I was not at the Berlin Open this year and i dont need to have it showing up that i was can this please be fixed. Evidently i can travel at the speed of light or something similar to have played that event
MJ 20300

The only person that can correct those errors is Dave Gentry and he doesn't watch here. Contact him with corrections like this at: [email protected]

Do it right now because this is the last day he can do corrections for this update.

thanks chuck, i'll do that but i never got a reaction earlier when i brought this up

I'll take the $192 you won off your hands if you do not want them. :D
Or is that franks or pounds or marks....oh probably euros...

As a rule this Board isn't the place to address corrections to personal stats. I'll try to pass stuff like that on when I can but no one should count on it. Hope Dave can get to it in time for you.

thanks chuck, i'll do that but i never got a reaction earlier when i brought this up



Maybe if you started off your message with: ACHTUNG! :D

is it possible to have rounds played with torn tendons and muscles within a 6 day period EXCLUDED from the ratings with a doctors note?




I know in one sense it would be great if we could delete the rounds when we were sick or injured.



thanks for the answer chuck

ALEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not to name names, but, yeah. :D

so...is the number of 1000+ players increasing or declining?

Don't know. Should be within 5 of the last time.

I think I am going up. Solid Worlds rounds are the only thing going in this time. at least 3 1000 rateds. I should be living in the 80s....

and well ahead of me.....

I hope my first rating is at least 900.....

Did Mid-Nats make it into this next update?

I'm asking because it still has unofficial results.

any way to tell me my Standard D...I think i just had a round in the 900 range...

Standard D isn't published but you can get close by pasting your ratings into a column in Excel and using the Standard deviation function.

Mid-Nats is in this coming update. Unofficial results are still there because events with more than 4 rounds have to be specially processed by Gentry.

any way to tell me my Standard D...I think i just had a round in the 900 range...



Better pray that it isn't "800" or you could be on suspension... :D:D

PS: Sjur - no way should I ever beat you in a round (for at least a few more years anyway). What happened that second round at Fairfield? Couple OB roll-aways? Skip-out OBs?

Many many role-aways to the OB...actually, one of those roll aways was about a 210 ft roll. Pretty sick. the very next hole i had another 70 foot out of bounds roll...Very painful.

hoTT roll sun

SD Chargers = 1619 rating...

ADVanced?

did it roll off the lock?

Many many role-aways to the OB...actually, one of those roll aways was about a 210 ft roll. Pretty sick. the very next hole i had another 70 foot out of bounds roll...Very painful.



Were any of these putts where you could play from your original lie instead of where it went out?

they were probably 20 footers

they were probably 20 footers



That's why I was asking if he came back and played from the 20-ft lie instead of where it went OB.

im guessing from where it went OB... i dont think many people REALize you can take it from the original lie.

can i play advanced after the 19th?

No first run draft of new ratings until later this week. It's now over 275 events included in this update.

I have heard this before and never came into play with me personally ( thank goodness ) but , can someone quote a rule that allows this play for me ?
Is it in the rule book ?

803.09.B
B. A player whose disc is considered out-of-bounds shall receive one penalty throw. The player may elect to play the next shot from:
(1) The previous lie as evidenced by the marker disc or, if the marker disc has been moved from an approximate lie, as agreed to by the majority of the group or an official; or
(2) A lie that is up to one meter away from and perpendicular to the point where the disc last crossed into out-of-bounds, as determined by a majority of the group or an official. This holds true even if the direction takes the lie closer to the hole; or
(3) Within the designated Drop Zone, if provided. These options may be limited by the tournament director as a special condition (see 804.01).

thank you

how about a answer to the first? "Am i going down down down...?"

how are the ratings coming along and are there any new changes this time around??

The one tweak is discussed earlier and they are on schedule.

I'm waiting to see what happens with the ratings for "IOS #5 Streamwood Sturgeon" on 8/13 compared to the Pro/Adv on the previous day 8/12. The course was the same and the weather was virutally identical for all four rounds, but the unofficial ratings for the second round were 30-52 points lower than the other three. A good case where the ams seemed to get the shaft.

The one tweak is discussed earlier and they are on schedule.



which tweak would that be?

Boost factor from 2005 finally phased out. It had been reduced a little each update starting this year. Might drop unofficial ratings you've seen in events the past several months by 1-2 points.

right on! thanks ... :D

Personal prediction: 5 point jump from 909 to 914!

(can't wait until all those 800s rounds go away in December!!!)

if i go up...i will smile... ;)

By my shady calculations I am not moving anywhere...

I should be moving up :D

I should be moving up :D


yeah move up...move up to what? arent you in the top age division as it is??? :D

Wooho! Maybe, finally, the rounds played by some other guy up in lakeport will drop off and my rating will be completely my own. here's hoping...

It won't help mister cooper. We'll still call you a bagger *grin*.

Alright, thats it. I'll see you at faultline mister! :mad::D

Hey Chuck, we still looking at tomorrow for the update? Thanks.

I'm pretty sure I know what my rating will be... I'm not worried about it... and yet I am sitting here just staring and refreshing and hoping... and its 4:00AM...

Chuck, do I have a problem?

Our third pass is being reviewed and still has some issues but we still hope to post later today.

Our third pass is being reviewed and still has some issues but we still hope to post later today.



I just want to know if I broke 975 or not!!!

Can I play am again?

I think I'll be close

woudl you if you could?

first off, if my rating drops 20 points, I'll quit.

secondly, no I would not.

just wondering. as my rating is in the shitter :D

ready to get rated.

anyone know what time the new ratings will be posted on the website?

just wondering. as my rating is in the shitter :D



isnt that where your game is too :o:D

Some additional corrections must be made so we're waiting for a fourth pass to be run. Posting will be late afternoon at the earliest.

just wondering. as my rating is in the shitter :D



lol!

Yeah i was looking forward to seeing my stellar rating as well...Now I have something to look forward to this afternoon!!

Because we're running close to deadline on the ratings update, the remaining boost factor will not be removed this time but in December. So, the unofficial ratings that were done properly online in the past few months are probably what you'll see officially this time.

chuck, please elaborate, what is the boost factor? are you saying that the unofficial round results will not be tweaked with before the update? rj

The remaining boost factor in the online unofficial ratings formula is the same as the factor in our official formula so there's a good chance that unofficial round ratings that were posted properly in the past several months will end up the same once official this time. The boost has already been dropped to only one or two points anyway and it will now be phased out in the December update.

thanks chuck, do you know if the amnationals scores will be included in this update bc the tourney ran past the inclusion date? one more thing, is it true that the last two rounds are double weighted? thanks again

Am Nationals made it in the update. It's your personal most recent 25% (one quarter) of your rounds that gets double weighted.

Am Nationals made it in the update. It's your personal most recent 25% (one quarter) of your rounds that gets double weighted.



YES 1061 going in twice. YEAH BABY!

920's here I come!

come on chuck, its time for you start answering questions

is the second number of my rating 8?

Too busy getting ready for the Summit meeting.

Boooo

be busy later.

Boooo

be busy later.



Its MY B-Day...and I want to get the BAD NEWS over with.. :p

Happy Birthday Mike, lets hope you are not getting the bad news expected!

Chuck can help a man turning one year older! :D

Happy Birthday Mike, lets hope you are not getting the bad news expected!

Chuck can help a man turning one year older! :D



Thanks Bro!!

On the upside...I might get to play AM at the Willamette Open :eek:

That could be some bad news for a lot of AM's.

If you will be coming to the Willamette Open I will bring some fundage for some Roc's. :D

anyone know why the server clock is off by about 25 minutes?

Magilla and I won't be playing Advanced for at least several more months and MTL can't play in the Mid-Nats. Off to do laundry.

Magilla and I won't be playing Advanced for at least several more months and MTL can't play in the Mid-Nats. Off to do laundry.



Chuck, I have never met you but I just wanted to say thanks for all your hard work and dedication to the statistics and play of the PDGA!

That could be some bad news for a lot of AM's.

If you will be coming to the Willamette Open I will bring some fundage for some Roc's. :D

anyone know why the server clock is off by about 25 minutes?



YES, I WILL bring the USDGC ROCS to Willamette.. :D

What do you prefer...Baby Star?....Special Blend?...Champion?... I got 'um ALL :D

Magilla and I won't be playing Advanced for at least several more months and MTL can't play in the Mid-Nats. Off to do laundry.



DOH!!! Didnt really think so... :p

Thanks Chuck......Keep it up.... :D
Oh and do good work too.. :eek:

MTL can't play in the Mid-Nats.



Processing...

Cut off for mid nationals is 974 or lower. I am currently 975. So that means I either went up or stayed the same.

My streak of my rating never going down continues.

I barely made it back to 980...At least I went back up.

are the ratings up?

man, I stayed the same. :)

There is no way they are updated........my should definately be going up....

Mine still says the date of the last ratings

Sweet 10 pt. jump! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Happy Birthday Magilla. Can you play Grandmaster now? :D

Happy Birthday Magilla. Can you play Grandmaster now? :D



If he couldn't yesterday, he couldn't today. And you call yourself an admin...... :D

have the ratings been updated?

Yes

not mine

how far into the future do you live?

No one in my family has been updated yet.

how far into the future do you live?



At least 2 hours :D :p

how far into the future do you live?



I live outside of time...

Everything is available if you know where to look...



Or who to ask.

And where is that...?

shhhhh

that's just plain dirty

Getting anxious...

Mine either

16 pts. up!

up 6! oohh well at least i have a new number after 9 i was tired of that 8

bagger

How long does a round stay in as part of your rating?

put that under ask chuck

they go back 20 rounds or one calendar year

thanks guys, Jackie those shirts are the deal, I am really enjoying some huk lab products now

How long does a round stay in as part of your rating?


About 12 months with the current formula.

mine hasn't updated yet

It looks like it is at least a year of golf and then the rounds come in to play. I have 30 rounds but have only been playing a year so the additional rounds are there. I have 8 to go in to this update so I should probably see some changes.

updated where?

How long does a round stay in as part of your rating?



All rounds 12 months prior to the date of your most recently rated round. If you have fewer than 8 (not 20 anymore), we go back further. If you don't play, rounds will not drop off just because the date advances. You have to play for your personal 12 month period to advance and get old rounds to drop off.

tick .... tick .... tick
Come on LOL I am sooooooooo wanting to know .

updated where?



They aren't officially updated. Some people that aren't on the ratings committee happen to know where online the ratings committee reviews ratings before making them official. If this site gets posted or becomes known widely, then we'll have to make the effort to protect it with a password.

chuck, are you saying that if i play one tournament and shoot an averaged 1000 round i would be a 1000 rated forever, if i never played again? ..........waiting for the update

chuck, are you saying that if i play one tournament and shoot an averaged 1000 round i would be a 1000 rated forever, if i never played again? ..........waiting for the update



that is correct

signed

Ben Gaddis

OK, insiders, how much up did I git?

21325

so i should have quit while ahead bc i shot a 1000 rated round my first pdga event

chuck, are you saying that if i play one tournament and shoot an averaged 1000 round i would be a 1000 rated forever, if i never played again? ..........waiting for the update



that is correct

signed

Ben Gaddis


I nominate this for "Post of the Week"!

sweet!

motion is seconded

28558 anyone?

913

983

that's a big swing

What about me? #28003

#29274 IF ITS NO BIG DEAL,

915... congraTTs

Sweet! You rock!

Real how about me if you have the time. 20525

#29274 IF ITS NO BIG DEAL,


955

924... slowly but surely

me too 24841 that is if you have the time :D

Please.....................

21242
;)

still chillun - 905

thanks

back in the 20s... barely, 920

chuck, are you saying that if i play one tournament and shoot an averaged 1000 round i would be a 1000 rated forever, if i never played again?



Yes, assuming you had no earlier rounds within 12 months of those with lower ratings. However, for the World Rankings system, only players with a rating over 999 with at least 12 rated rounds in B-tiers or higher during the past 12 months are included. So, that's how we're handling the few players who perhaps sit on a rating. Remember that some of these low round, high rated people aren't even current so their ratings don't show anyway.

26479?

Thanks

I'll take any increase.

last one... 919

thanks, are these for sure; when will they be shown for all to see?

thanks man.

Easy fellas...Ben Gaddis is a great golfer and maybe he doesn't play enough PDGA tournaments in your opinion to support his high rating but I can assure you he has top level pro game.

No rating yet :( I'll just have to wait until tomorrow if I'm going to make it for dubs tonight.

Easy fellas...Ben Gaddis is a great golfer and maybe he doesn't play enough PDGA tournaments in your opinion to support his high rating but I can assure you he has top level pro game.

We aren't doubting that he has game. We are just making light of the fact that he currently has the 11th best rating in the world, that's all. For someone who only has 3 tournaments on record it's funny. No disrespect to the guy himself.

anyone got something for 29720?

Please?

MTL
I can assure you that you wished you had the talent of BEN GADDIS.If he could play more his rating would probably be higher.

MTL
I can assure you that you wished you had the talent of BEN GADDIS.If he could play more his rating would probably be higher.

21964?

MTL
I can assure you that you wished you had the talent of BEN GADDIS.If he could play more his rating would probably be higher.



Holy crap I was just making a joke.

Please find where I posted "Man this guy Ben Gaddis is rated 50 points higher than me and I'm better than him"

Until then, plesae dont put words into my mouth.

MTL
I can assure you that you wished you had the talent of BEN GADDIS.If he could play more his rating would probably be higher.


lol. He may have game but I doubt his rating would get any higher. It's a little insane right now to say the least. Don't doubt he's a 1010 golfer, but to be considered 1020 and above, your one of the best in sport. He has yet to prove that to anyone by playing in a Supertour or Major.

hahaha. people always get testy right before a ratings update!!

great post, Tizzle. for a second, i thought i was in The Jungle.

Ill make you a deal.Quit talking about people and things you know nothing about and so will i.

Ill make you a deal.Quit talking about people and things you know nothing about and so will i.



please find the post where I did.

I have had 2 expereiences with Ben

he kick my arse at harbour view last year.

someone from oregon asked me who he was and thought it was crap that someone like him can be rated so high by only playing an event of two.

Neither of those invovled me questioning his talent.

how about this, who cares.

27189 holla

damnit, I'm officially am-1 now... guess there's no going back.

what's the hold up? any eta right now?

Happy Birthday Magilla. Can you play Grandmaster now? :D



If he couldn't yesterday, he couldn't today. And you call yourself an admin...... :D



:eek: DOH!!

Gimme a break....Im not that old... :p

But I am sure feeling it after the Indian Summer Overalls at SSU this weekend /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D

22691? Please? Bueller??

Ben is a big-time family man. At one point, he didn't enter any tournaments that played on Sunday. I don't know if that is still his 'policy' since he did play the Upstate Foothills Open in August...and won Open Masters of course.

patiently waiting, when is the update going through?

magilla... when is this course in la pine going in?

I can wait, I pretty sure my rating will be going DOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN.

cant be worse than your fantasy football draft rating.

Jimmy Smith?

That's in the 700's!

they JUST updated. i've been hitting "refresh" all day long and it suddenly changed.

wooo!

My rating is updated but my rating detail only has 4 rounds on it... should be 38

It's going to take that much longer if all of you keep accessing the ratings for the details to load.

I got stuff to do, just thought I would say something :)

It's going to take that much longer if all of you keep accessing the ratings for the details to load.


LOL!

Calm down folks, the ratings will be there tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day...

cant be worse than your fantasy football draft rating.

Jimmy Smith?

That's in the 700's!



dude, i dropped him immediately following the draft.

w00t for being wrong! I thought I was only going up to about 914 or 913... 922 is happy happy :) 930s/940s in December here I come!

Cracked 900 Woo hoo! One step at a time like A.A.

I didn't quite get 1000 but 999 is good enough for top ten in Tejas. I guess i have a few more months to enjoy nonworldclassdom. :D

WWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I thought I was going to be stagnant, eight point jump to the positive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah! :D :D :D :D

How can two players shoot the same score, on the same course, same division, same tourney, etc. and get a rating on that round that is different? Guess I don't understand how it all works ... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Same round too?

Where? Was it an event with pools such that it looks like they shot it in the same round but it didn't happen that way in reality?

Other player shot an 81 first round, same course/tourney = 894
I shot an 81 second round, same course/tourney = 865

Does the rating change by round if the course is the same?

PS. I'm not complaining, I'm just curious.

There's been so much server traffic that it's taking a very long time for all of the round details to load. Dave says it's still loading now so some of you may not see all of your round ratings yet.

Other player shot an 81 first round, same course/tourney = 894
I shot an 81 second round, same course/tourney = 865

Does the rating change by round if the course is the same?



yeah chuck, why would a round on the EXACT some course be rated 30 points apart :confused:

Other player shot an 81 first round, same course/tourney = 894
I shot an 81 second round, same course/tourney = 865

Does the rating change by round if the course is the same?



yeah chuck, why would a round on the EXACT some course be rated 30 points apart :confused:


That's how it works. Maybe it was windy in the morning, making an 81 harder to get in the morning. Maybe the morning dew was killing the rollers, making the course easier in the afternoon when it dried out.

Maybe all the alcoholics had a six-pack for lunch and shot better in the afternoon, making an 81 look worse. :)

Does the rating change by round if the course is the same?



Yes. It's rarely the same because the rating is based on the players with established ratings playing it. Players playing their second round are warmed up, more tired, may have eaten to much, too little, lost discs, trying new discs, throwing different discs on same holes, playing with different people, know where they are in their division, the holes look different with a changed sun angle, the grass has grown, the dew has dried, the OB water boundaries may have changed due to evaporation, twigs and stones have moved. There's no such thing as identical conditions between two rounds on the same course. We should be surprised the numbers come out as close as they do.

894 to 865 is only a 2% variance.

Thanks Chuck!

BTW, thanks to all involved in getting the ratings out on time!

This is one of the problems with the new rating IMO...shouldn't there be a minimum number of events??

Ben Gaddis #28071

Guy played 2 tournies and is now ranked in the top 10 in the world???

Not to belittle another golfer at all, but I doubt that Top 10 would hold long with more events under the belt...

that or he will become one of our new phenoms!

I have played with Ben and while he is not in the Top 10 he is most certainly a 1000 rated golfer and an all around nice guy as well.

Are these rating's final or is there change's still being made?

I fully believe that..trust me..I am not dinking a player I know nothing about...

but shouldn't a PRO player at least have a few more events under the belt before they get top 10 just like that..

I realize his world rating will probably be different, but just an observation

Are these rating's final or is there change's still being made?



They are updating as we speak as far as I can tell..his may even drop off

Coda popped up to 1019...way to go KID

Other player shot an 81 first round, same course/tourney = 894
I shot an 81 second round, same course/tourney = 865

Does the rating change by round if the course is the same?



yeah chuck, why would a round on the EXACT some course be rated 30 points apart :confused:



A blade of grass grew longer between rounds... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
:D

Its all in how the "propagators" play during THAT round.....

This is the ONLY issue I have with the ratings.....they work otherwise. I just feel that it needs more refining, which I am confident will come with time. :)

Woo-hoo! I only dropped 2 points! :)

I figured I was dropping 10+, fer sure.

That it his rating. He pays his money to the PDGA like everybody else, so he gets a rating. His world ranking would be another discussion. That is the ranking system that you should be considering when you say "top ten" in the world.

The point is that there's more validity and simplicity for doing it the way we do than any other way because there's no way to prove that the course doesn't actually play tougher one round versus another. And it's the only way to account for weather differences. The pattern indicating that lower rated pools get worse ratings than higher rated pools on the same course was discovered, analyzed and has been adjusted for. I'm not sure we'll find any other improvements along these lines unless we start analyzing and tracking subratings for players' abilities on hills, in the woods and in the open, then adjust SSA values based on the average skill set of the propagators on the course each round. Maybe it will happen?

3rd time

I am not slamming the guy..just using him as an example for maybe a reason to have a minimum # of events

I have had the same thing happen to many local golfers at the AM level that play one event and shoot great and are stuck in MA1 right off the bat..even though they are not ready for it or their game shows it

takes many months for them to get another update where they can have their other events added and get a more accurate rating..

before this came out a few years back..it was win the division..move up...

The point is that there's more validity and simplicity for doing it the way we do than any other way because there's no way to prove that the course doesn't actually play tougher one round versus another. And it's the only way to account for weather differences. The pattern indicating that lower rated pools get worse ratings than higher rated pools on the same course was discovered, analyzed and has been adjusted for. I'm not sure we'll find any other improvements along these lines unless we start analyzing and tracking subratings for players' abilities on hills, in the woods and in the open, then adjust SSA values based on the average skill set of the propagators on the course each round. Maybe it will happen?



I agree with you fully Chuck on many of those points..just an idea..

now did mine move above 925? HA :D

That it his rating. He pays his money to the PDGA like everybody else, so he gets a rating. His world ranking would be another discussion. That is the ranking system that you should be considering when you say "top ten" in the world.



Ben is listed 10th in the descending order of ratings but it doesn't necessarily mean he's the 10th best player in the world. On the other hand, who's to say he's not? The only thing we know with fewer rounds is the probability is higher that his "true rating" may be farther away, higher or lower, from his current rating than someone like Barry whose rating is based on many more rounds.

For 2007, we are considering allowing players to play down if their very first rating is based on fewer than 4 rounds so we don't have the new guy/gal having to play Advanced due to a hot 2-round event on their home course. This would be indicated on the member list sent to TDs before events.

Having ratings updated every two months during the warm weather would also help in not sticking it to a new player with those hot rounds for too long.

IMO Ratings updates should come out March, May, July, September, December

There currently can't be an update between the June and Sept update because Dave is involved with running the major events and visiting potential sites for future majors. The late June ratings are used for seedings for both Worlds and every minute is needed to procss the Worlds and the other flood of summer events for the Sept update. There aren't enough events with reports turned in to justify a March update. Even the April update this year didn't even reach 100 events out of 800 scheduled this year.

There currently can't be an update between the June and Sept update because Dave is involved with running the major events and visiting potential sites for future majors. The late June ratings are used for seedings for both Worlds and every minute is needed to procss the Worlds and the other flood of summer events for the Sept update. There aren't enough events with reports turned in to justify a March update. Even the April update this year didn't even reach 100 events out of 800 scheduled this year.



Yeah screw the people in the south because they have warm weather. I thought we paid dues too? :confused:

I agree with you fully Chuck on many of those points..just an idea..

now did mine move above 925? HA :D


generally speaking, you need to play some rated rounds in order for your rating to change ;)

I suck...yet I won my 4th PDGA tourney last Saturday...by 12 strokes! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :p

of course, if we could focus some energy on making ratings update as reports are filed and authenticated we would not have those scheduling problems. why not get this thing automated - its absolutely one of the most highly valued benefits of the pdga!

of course, if we could focus some energy on making ratings update as reports are filed and authenticated we would not have those scheduling problems. why not get this thing automated - its absolutely one of the most highly valued benefits of the pdga!



Hey that's not a bad idea! :D

It's a perfect idea.

I have no idea why they don't have a live ratings system. I'm sure there is some Access feature that can do the work.

Ratings will likely not be updated more frequently than every two months even if the process is further automated because it's tied to the Competition system. Players need to preregister and faster updates just disrupt the system. And it's likely more pros will fall under the ratings breaks down the road so more divisions will be involved if there's unnecessary ratings churn. In addition, the current process does get events rated much closer to the proper date order rather than the sequence event reports would be received and processed if done realtime or weekly.

I'm above 950! :D

...The late June ratings are used for seedings for both Worlds and every minute is needed to procss the Worlds and the other flood of summer events for the Sept update.



I thought worlds was supposed to be random. Now it's seeded by ratings? Why?

I thought worlds was supposed to be random. Now it's seeded by ratings? Why?



It's been seeded since about 2000 or so so the 1997 Charlotte Worlds debacle doesn't happen again. One pool across town played the open courses one day and the other pool played in the woods. The next day, the winds really picked up with some rain on the open courses and the pool scores were at least four shots on average worse in equally seeded pools. Now, the A pool in Open has the top seeds by ratings. Within the A pool, each group is equally balanced so the top guys aren't together every round.

I thought worlds was supposed to be random. Now it's seeded by ratings? Why?



It's been seeded since about 2000 or so so the 1997 Charlotte Worlds debacle doesn't happen again. One pool across town played the open courses one day and the other pool played in the woods. The next day, the winds really picked up with some rain on the open courses and the pool scores were at least four shots on average worse in equally seeded pools. Now, the A pool in Open has the top seeds by ratings. Within the A pool, each group is equally balanced so the top guys aren't together every round.


There is a rule in the rulebook that governed at the time that handled that situation perfectly. The "debacle" is a lack of balls by the officials who fail to use that rule.

What rule was that you write of?

And now I guess I know another reason I don't compete at worlds.

what is the problem with seeding the players based on ratings?

do they do it that way in golf? On the first day, do the top players play last?

do they do it that way in golf? On the first day, do the top players play last?



I'm not sure how they do pairings in golf, all I know is that you play in the same threesome thursday and friday. one day you tee in the morning, one day in the afternoon.

of course, if we could focus some energy on making ratings update as reports are filed and authenticated we would not have those scheduling problems. why not get this thing automated - its absolutely one of the most highly valued benefits of the pdga!



Then we'd have to automate TD's as well.

of course, if we could focus some energy on making ratings update as reports are filed and authenticated we would not have those scheduling problems. why not get this thing automated - its absolutely one of the most highly valued benefits of the pdga!



Then we'd have to automate TD's as well.



in some cases, that would be an improvement

BOOM has 4 digits...just like my rating

....its absolutely one of the most highly valued benefits of the pdga!



Ratings are a nice perk of membership, much like this message board, but they are not the "most highly valued benefit". There are thousands of members that see little if any value in ratings or the message board.

ZZ...

now that almost all my rated rounds are from the grange i dropped 23 points!! now i can start building my vti team around my advanced arse. nothing like rupturing a disc to get that rating under control!! ;)

Biggest jump ever..18pts. Thank you Chuck for not adding the Michigan State CHamps.

Biggest jump ever..18pts. Thank you Chuck for not adding the Michigan State CHamps.



ditto minus the biggest jump....