gdstour
Jul 28 2006, 01:10 AM
I am curious to hear how many players feel courtesy has been violated enough to issue a penalty stroke during a pdga round?
What types of violations would be enough for you to want to have another player penalized for courtesy being violated?
Lets say a big mean looking guy 6'4 240 yelled F*&k really loud after a bad shot would you be willing to give him a warning?
Would you be more likley to give someone a warning if you shot a bad round than a good round?
Can players really enforce this rule on another player even if it is not while you are shooting or getting ready to shoot.
Lets see, disc golfers cannot swear during pdga play and this rule is being enforced every single weekend?
How can Tiger Woods or 70% of the top PGA pro golfers yell F&*k or god d&m after a bad shot and never get a courtesy warning or be stroked for doing so, yet pdga players are allowed to stroke other players at pdga events if they feel their courtesy is being violated. :o:o
discette
Jul 28 2006, 08:47 AM
I have encountered this situation many times over the years. I will warn the player if they are close enough to my group. Remember, it is a warning for the first offense, and usually that will clear it up. If the warning has no effect to stop the profanity, the guy is already usually pretty close to DFL and a stroke wont hurt his score. It seems most players are not willing to stroke the guy. I think they figure he is already having a bad round, and doing that will make it worse. The tension in the group is probably already unbearable. It really is bothersome to hear cussing across the course and the players in the group or nearby do not issue warnings or strokes.
801.01 G. A player violating a courtesy rule may be warned by any affected player, even if from another group, or by an official, with all players of the group advised of the warning. The player shall be assessed one penalty throw for each subsequent courtesy violation of any type in the same round. Repeated violations of courtesy rules may result in disqualification in accordance with section 804.05.
MTL21676
Jul 28 2006, 08:49 AM
the guy is already usually pretty close to DFL and a stroke wont hurt his score.
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august
Jul 28 2006, 08:57 AM
These are always tough calls. I'm not inclined to put up with much foolishness, but I believe I could handle a swearing or two. The judgement call is whether it becomes too much. Each of us has different thresholds on that which may vary according to weather, frame of mind, etc.
I'm likely to be tolerant briefly, but if it drags on for a while, I'm likely to issue a warning. Hasn't happened yet.
klemrock
Jul 28 2006, 09:16 AM
I think it comes down to an individual's definition of 'professionalism'.
It goes beyond courtesy.
It depends on how seriously you see the sport.
It depends on how seriously you see yourself.
Do you want to help bring our sport to a higher level?
If yes, then I suggest:
Clearing the air with your group on the first hole of a tourney.
Tell them that you'd like a fun round without swearing or smoking.
Be up front about what you expect from the group during the round - it helps everyone understand/remember the rules and allows each player to concentrate on the mechanics of his/her game instead of the emotional harmony of the group.
Example: a few years ago, about halfway through a round, another player in my group asked me why I swear so much, and told me it bothered him.
After my initial reaction of being perturbed that someone actually got in my face, it seemed clear that my cussing affected others and their play. I was able to accept that, so I apologized and stopped vocalizing my anger. In fact, my anger decreased because I was forcing myself to see something positive each time I made an error (instead of just yelling "fu*k!"). We all played better after that.
Also, more professional courtesy from players will help propel this sport from the lingering "stoner sport" perception into a realm where businesses are willing to invest in its future.
discette
Jul 28 2006, 09:19 AM
By the way, the example above was for someone yelling profanities, not cursing that is only heard by those on the card.
If the folks on your card don't think it is discourteous to use the F-word, then is it a courtesy violation?
AviarX
Jul 28 2006, 10:48 AM
If the folks on your card don't think it is discourteous to use the F-word, then is it a courtesy violation?
i would say no -- not in general. however, context does matter. if there are kids present, or if the cursing is so loud people not on the card can hear and be offended by it -- then it may very well be one. i suppose one could ask the card prior to playing if anyone will be offended if the f-word gets muttered, but i guess that is why the first offense is just a warning...
it would be courteous (pun intended) if someone who is offended by any cursing (even reasonable volume and tone) would tell the card prior to play that they are offended by cursing and plan to warn and then subsequently stroke any such behavior.
neonnoodle
Jul 28 2006, 01:03 PM
This seems to go to the heart of our disc golf culture's reluctance to take any serious look at learning, practicing and calling our rules of play. It is seen as a mild inconvenience that only Richards take any interest in.
Most people don't even know what a courtesy violation is, they just bop around trying to act like everyone else; which leads to folks advancing in front of the away player, cursing, saying,"I'm going to putt out.", as well as a very loose understanding and adherence to our rules of play. Until we take some pride in playing the game of "Disc Golf", and build a culture committed to the highest standards of adherence to our rules and courtesy, why should we expect it out on our courses or at our events?
jaxx
Jul 29 2006, 01:34 PM
i think when someone's outbursts are getting excessive and beginning to disrupt the flow of the group or when the outbursts come when someone else is in the process of taking their own shot then that person should be warned
One aspect of disc golf that is greatly overlooked are the rules. You can find multiple violations every round of play. A smart player will use the rules to their advantage. They are tools that the PDGA has equipped us with , use them. Perfect example......
Two weeks ago at the Shreveport Challenge ( B-Tier ) , after the final round, my traveling companion had informed me that one particular individual on their final card had finished a 12 pack of beer in less than 18 holes of golf. That individual cashed in front of several seasoned golfers. Of those several seasoned golfers, not one warned or stroked the individual for DRINKING during a sanctioned event.
I would have been furious to find out after the fact! I placed way higher than this individual, so I really dont care. But , that rule is a tool, that could have put other golfers in the cash. My belief is that nobody had the cajones to say anything! WUSSIES!
Knowledge is POWER, read your rule book and use the rules to your advantage. Be a SMART golfer.
sandalman
Jul 29 2006, 11:44 PM
the pro ballers do get fined for those outbursts. its been referenced on other threads... the PGA does not go out of its way to piublicize the fines tho.
J A B
Jul 30 2006, 10:42 AM
I would be more likly to warn someone (for load outburst of cursing) when I'm playing well. When (see Blackhawk round) I'm playing like dookie, I don't want to draw any more attention to myself than my missed 10ft putts already are.
That experinece, and an earlier post, will have me annouce my advertion to cursing at the beginning of the round, so it won't come off as "sour grapes" latter.
Is it a coutesy viloation to keep throwing a forehand roller into the shull? I sure wanted to call that, after the 4th time I had to drag thru the ivy looking for his discs. :mad: