A friend of mine is a personal trainer, and we got to talking about injuries, etc, and I commented that my hip joints seemed to pop in a weird way. I described what it does and showed her, and concluded that it's subluxation in both joints. Probably because of a shallow socket, but basically when I bend to one side and stick my hip out, the joint pops partially out. I was playing today and realized that every time I throw, my motion causes subluxation. And if it keeps going on...it could end in needing hip replacement. So that basically sucks.

Throwing forehand will relieve some of the pressure off your hips (and knees, too).

getting a cleaner pivot will help relieve strain as well.

Cleaner pivot will relieve some strain, yes, but even watching videos of players like Climo, Brinster, etc, their throwing motions involve body movement that pops the joint out for me. Even just standing up and bending sideways can do it. Forehand...it would work, but I don't enjoy throwing that way. And I play the game for fun, when the fun goes, so goes me.

Forehand...it would work, but I don't enjoy throwing that way. And I play the game for fun, when the fun goes, so goes me.



That is your choice to make but after some time off, that forehand option may start sounding good.

well,

you have 3 choices:
1) quit dg
2) adjust/adapt
3) play however you want and deal w/ the consequences down the road.

for 2, you can throw sidearm/overhand or develop a new motion friendlier to your hip. there are plenty of low-impact throwers, most of which use an early step through on their pivot or walk through the pivot. if your view of throwing is that you have to imitate a specific pro, that isn't really going to work.

it is likely that there are exercises you can do to make it more difficult to put your hips out of the socket.

from the sound of it, any athletic motion is going to be "bad" for you, so you may just wish to strengthen appropriate muscle groups and go ahead with #3.

try to find a video of Jim Oates throwing (2004 or 2005 worlds). he doesn't have a lot of moving parts and his D is impressive.

jlbrightbill isn't current can't post anymore.

Another one bites the dust! :o

I was going through the same thing earlier this summer. Based on what you are explaining, my hip acts the same way. I did lots of PT that helped, but yoga was what really helped me. I was about to give up, but it is much better.

Basically, you need to decide if you want to take the time to get your body into the shape it needs to be in to continue playing/throwing the way you do, change how your throw, or give up the game. I recomment the first option.

JB...Talk to Mark Ellis up in MI...I think he had the same or similar issue. He started throwing sidearm and has adapted quite well.

i heard fish(for the oil) is good for lubeing up joints, and i'm sure there are other foods for the body.

I take Triple Flex , from Costco. Two a day. Clondroitan and Glucostomine. I may have miss spelled those two words !!!!!

Takes about two weeks to work.

Chondroitan and glucosamine sulphate(s) are building blocks & are clinically shown to assist the body in rebuilding fibrocartilage...but they are considerd a long-term product, in that they need to be taken on a consistent basis (for some folks, months) to work. Glad it helped you so quick, quickdisc!

I hope your hip is ok. Strengthening muscles might help, like he said. I feel that if there's a will, usually there's a way! :)

/msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif It does take some patience and adjusting.

Strengthening muscles might help


...as well as balancing the antagonistic muscle groups.
ie If memory serves, I recall the hamstrings should be about 60% as strong as the quads...
Jed, since you were in inline skater/hockey player there might be some disparity in the muscle group strengths surrounding your hip joints. A good PT should be able to assess your situation and provide some insight. Good luck!

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I am guessing he ( Brightbill) played most of his rounds on Concrete tee's.
I wonder if ALL of his rounds hand been played on natural tees if he would have still developed the hip problems?

I had a Bone/joint/orthopedics specialist began to write a paper for me about 15 years ago on the effects of long term play on concrete tee's VS Natural. I had been very much in favor of natural tee's and most of his research was heading in the direction against concrete for disc golf.
At the time I was really looking forward to publishing this worth while report against the use of concrete.

He never actually finished the research for paper and decided it was best for me not to publish ANY of the findings of the report.

I know as I work with park departments on the installation of disc golf courses, concrete add to the "facility" aspect of a disc golf course, but common sense will tell us it will shorten it's ability to be a lifetime fitness activity for a % of the players..

From my experience on the RUBBER PADS, I would say I do not like them for the torque they put on my knees.
Any other thoughts on the differences in the 3 types of tee's.( Concrete, Rubber and El natural)
??
I do not consider mulch or chat as choice for tee's and hopefully they are NEVER an option!

The originator of this thread is not a [current] member and so can no longer post, but hopefully he has read some of the helpful posts here.

As for teepads -- when i started playing i liked grass. But after experiencing the muddy slipperiness which wet weather and high traffic can produce, I began to prefer concrete. In addition to the accuracy and injury problems slippery areas create -- they also can really tear up a course...

I'm thinking working on smooth technique and good follow-thru might alleviate some of the danger the increased traction presents in terms of stress on knees and hips, etc. ...

I'm thinking working on smooth technique and good follow-thru might alleviate some of the danger the increased traction presents in terms of stress on knees and hips, etc. ...


...that and good footwear selection that allows a smooth pivot, whether one pivots on their forefoot or heal. Too much traction is NOT good.

I used to wear cleats for disc golf. It really helped on muddy grass and loose soil. On Concrete it was bad on my ankles and feet though.

I switched up to a good pair of running shoes as recommended by my doctor to relieve the stress on my arches. Also helped with my back not being torqued all day.

As far as athletic shoes, I 'support' cross-trainers, basketball, and tennis shoes only because they are built with lateral forces in mind and are better constructed in the toebox region. Running shoes are primarily built for straight(er) ahead movements. 'Trail' runners will likely offer enhanced lateral suport...

For toe draggers, most running shoes will separate between the rubber tread and the support material...leading to severe structural breakdown of the shoes.