AlmaWillie
Aug 25 2005, 02:51 PM
I have been reading all I can and looking at every player review possible, but when I go out I can not get my pull through against my body. I go out away from my body with a swing around everytime. Can anyone give me any advice? A reach back does not feel right to me, I really more just twist my body around. Has anyone else had this problem, and how can I fix it? Do I need to start all over? Help!!
Willie, I'm no pro DG'er, but I would say that one thing is to try to do it slowly, in your mind, and in your back yard as much as possible until you can get your line down... When I started out, I kind of more or less practiced that pull a lot. Before I ever got the X-Step down, I'd just walk up slowly, do a slow motion x-step to allow me to get the right reach-back, and then give it a rip. One point I could make is that (correct me if I'm wrong other ppl) I feel like my elbow bending, and then my triceps really helping kick the disc off @ the end of my throw really allows me to keep the disc in line with the basket & giving me a lot of pullback. Your back shld be nearly to the basket when you pull back all the way, then pull almost through your body, not around it. It's all mental & will take practice, that's one more good point...
accidentalROLLER
Aug 25 2005, 04:24 PM
Willie, just think of the whip analogy on the reach back/pull through. If you swing a whip with an arc, you won't get the crack. But if pull the whip on a line, the end will "crack" when if reaches the end of the line and has nowhere to go. Same with pulling a disc straight through across your chest. You are accelerating the disc on a line rather than an arc and when your hand reaches the end of the line your wrist is still connected to your arm (the line) so it snaps the disc out. So now the disc is accelerating toward the fairway and is now spinning very fast.
Try the 2 motions seperately and see how they feel. I had an epiphany by first curl my arm around the disc and "flinging" it just by spinning it. Then I started reaching back farther and farther to throw but still keeping my arm and wrist curled. I improved my D by almost 60ft overnight.
accidentalROLLER
Aug 25 2005, 04:26 PM
60 ft with alot more accuracy I should say! Just remember willie, do what feels good to you, not what other ppl do or tell you to do. But whatever works, stick with it, and tweak it as you see fit. I doubt any 2 people have the exact same form. Whatever gets the disc to hole is the best way. How it gets there is just a preference.
I threw backhand improperly for years. Last spring I went thru the same thing you are. What helped me was to relax the upper arm muscles until I have turned to almost facing the target.
I think about reaching back, then twisting my body, then following thru with the arm at the end. Hopefully this will help. Like the previous poster said, think more whip and less throw, and practice slow motion.
discgolfreview
Aug 26 2005, 02:17 AM
will recommend checking out what i wrote on the first page of the beginner advice thread. sounds like you are describing the same things that others have. the trick to pulling through close is that the opening of the shoulders should not cause the disc to struggle to stay close to your body. a body axis rotation limits this closeness by the wide arc of the throwing shoulder and the inherent following of the left side of the upper body.
tokyo
Aug 26 2005, 02:42 AM
I believe a lot has to do with how your aproach is put go real slow for a while even though you are not getting as much distance as would like. I pull through a whole lot and i just go back and pull in a straight line.
Sharky
Aug 28 2005, 09:17 PM
A few days ago I took a shot of Jim Myers throwing the new innova driver. I guess he would get more d without the off hand on the disc, but he is not too shabby a thrower. (http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/druid825050002.jpg) What do you think of his form?
The best way I've figured out how to do it, and explain it, is to think of starting a boat (or something similar). You reach straight back, step out with your back leg, then try to pull the rip cord across your chest. Bamn the motor starts... Now substitue the rip cord with a disc and lettr rip. Reach back, then pull straight across your chest, nipple to nipple.
discgolfreview
Aug 30 2005, 06:12 PM
Jim has very good form and i've seen him throw in person a few times. the key thing with the off hand is that many players that keep the off hand on the disc prevent good shoulder rotation. while Jim's hand stays on the disc he gets plenty of rotation.
quickdisc
Aug 31 2005, 08:05 PM
Hmmmmmmmm.........plenty of rotation..............sounds good.
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discraft_elite
Sep 12 2005, 08:16 PM
I know you've had lots of analogies, but this is the one that did the trick for me.
I was having trouble doing the reach back. I didn't want to turn my back to the basket, cuz our entire lives we're taught to "keep our eyes on the ball". While I had a hard time adjusting to that concept, he told me to think of reaching back towards the back left corner of the tee pad (for a RHBH throw). Then do as the other guys have mentioned. It just helped me to mentally have a spot to try and 'reach' for before I pulled it across my body. Your first few throws are going to suck. BUT, as you get comfortable with not looking where you're throwing, it's amazing how your form just kinda falls together. Once that happens, it's much easier to tweek it from there. Hope that helps.
quickdisc
Sep 12 2005, 10:01 PM
True statement.
First time I was trying this , I pulled all the way back and launched my sunglasses , off my face 25 feet !!!! :eek:
This technique , once learned correctly , will help with your game though !!!!! :D
discraft_elite
Sep 12 2005, 11:51 PM
First time I was trying this , I pulled all the way back and launched my sunglasses , off my face 25 feet !!!! :eek:
Which incidently went farther than your disc :D
quickdisc
Sep 13 2005, 12:19 AM
First time I was trying this , I pulled all the way back and launched my sunglasses , off my face 25 feet !!!! :eek:
Which incidently went farther than your disc :D
Nope , I was still hanging on to the disc :D
Talk about head snap !!!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
I don't really have a Reach Back at all.. I usually throw with a Bent Elbow Technique and a big reachback is counterproductive to that technique..
The only Time I have a Full Reachback is My Newly Discovered Distance Drive.. It's mostely just for Distance In a Field, but It's More Accurate than I thought.
I throw at a Soccerfield by my house.. I threw From One End Over to the Goal on teh other side, Over a 20Foot Fence, and ALmost over another Fence about 80 Feet from that fence and the same Height.. IT was sick...
The Reachback isn't super importatnt depending on your technique i guess.. A bent Elbow is way more compact, but a full reachback throw seems to be easier to learn and master.
-Scott Lewis
quickdisc
Sep 13 2005, 12:34 AM
Is it easier to do this , while doing a turnaround ( 360) throw ?
When I reach back I try to not have my arm wrap around my body at all, make sure there is no curling involved. I try doing a pendulum reach back like dave feldberg. When I'm reaching back to my farthest point, my hand is in front of the disc more than to the side of it. Then during the pull i think of pulling my upper arm so that it stays on a consistent plane, the lower arm bends back due to the weight of the discs, then I try pulling through straight to the target on the same plane and the disc snaps back forward.
jugggg
Sep 13 2005, 11:09 AM
Start the lawnmower and slap the midget. :eek: :eek:
:D
We're going to play here in a few. I'm gonna have to try that CoP.....
I found what helped me learn the cross the chest pull is keeping my arm really loose (really loose) on the pull back, then when I feel my shoulders start to pull the arm I come across the chest and let her go....... but I wasn't slapping the midget so I'll have to add that.