i tried to search but didn't come up with anything. does anyone have info on the best ways to install flypads? also any reviews on how they work and the best ways to prevent erosion around them?

i tried to search but didn't come up with anything. does anyone have info on the best ways to install flypads? also any reviews on how they work and the best ways to prevent erosion around them?



email support@fly18.com and Reese should be able to answer all of your questions about fly pads.

From Dan Doyle: http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Miscellaneous&Number=61605&Searchpage=1&Main=61604&Search=true&#Post61605


i'll give the pros and cons of a few of the options. we've installed fly pads over a 2-year period in Warwick, NY. the key to their longevity and functionality is proper ground preparation prior to laying the pads. if you don't remove roots, rocks, and other impediments your fly pad won't last. how you "fasten" them to the ground with the bolts Reese recommends is also critical. too loose and they get lumps. too tight and they rip at the corners. they are not theft proof but because of their weight aren't that easy to just pick up and walk away with. if they are layed flush with the ground they can stay in for mowing, but we've had a few corners clipped when the mower wasn't paying attention. they are not a hassle once they've been installed properly. they seem to be very grippy in almost all conditions. i prefer them to concrete because they are softer and are closer in feel to the grass surfaces that fairway shots are thrown from than are concrete tees. having said all this, however, the possible downside of the flypads is that they probably don't have the same lifespan as concrete pads. we've investigated costs and flypads cost about the same as concrete pads (approx $100 each /-).
we are in the process of installing 36 concrete tees on our original Animal course, and will put the flypads on the new Wolfe Woods course. then we can compare the 2. our new concrete pads are 5 feet wide at the front and flare out to 8 feet wide at the rear. they are 12' long. The flared configuration of the concrete pads allows for all sorts of run-ups on the tee, which isn't an option on the flypads. if constant maintenance wasn't an issue i'd vote for some sort of natural mulch or bark chips on our tees. but they only last for a very short period of time before they need to be repaired. so from a practical standpoint that definitely isn't the way to go.



I thought ole Reesey boy provided installation instructions with his product?

i'm sure he does. he actually called me and told me how he usually does it.
i'm looking forward to trying them, since i really don't like concrete teepads that much. too hard on the knees and feet.

...they seem to be very grippy in almost all conditions...

I'll give you a condition they are almost useless in... when they get even a small amount of sand on them, they are slick to the point of being dangerous. If your course has sand anywhere near the teepad area, I would strongly suggest not using Flypads.

In comparison, concrete pads are much better near sand, if they are done properly... the surface needs to be brushed or otherwise roughed-up before the concrete sets, or they will be just as slick.

cool. luckily no sand. maybe some mud at times!

I strongly urge you to not listen to a guy called bam bam from frisco :ohe has issues :D

We have a couple of sandy courses with rubber mat tees around here. You can usually whisk off the sand with a towel. Or you can carry a small umpire's broom. Genuine flypads are better sandy than some of the look-a-like products. But sand is always a problem on any surface.

True, Bruce.. I suppose you could expect the players to carry around a whisk broom and perform teepad maintenance each time they throw a drive, but who's really going to want to do that on a regular basis?

And sure, any surface will have problems performing well when covered with large amounts of sand. My point was that it only takes a small amount of sand for a flypad, or any rubber mat, to become dangerously slick.

For permanent pad placements, if one has the option of installing either concrete or rubber pads, my opinion is that concrete is the better choice.

Sand on concrete pads is just as dangerous. And it doesn't take a lot of sand, either. Just a little bit of the fine-grain stuff in the right spot.

So using sand as an argument against FlyPads isn't a great argument.

BTW, there is a small army of full-sized broom carriers at Morley Field. They have simply incorporated it into their game. It makes it great for them, and for the rest of us too. :)

Rhett EI has 18 new 1/2" tee pads that will be there this week.They will be in before the event.I will be in Chicago for the new course I wont be able to play in the event.chow

Rhett EI has 18 new 1/2" tee pads that will be there this week.They will be in before the event.I will be in Chicago for the new course I wont be able to play in the event.chow



With a Little Help they will

HELP :eek:

Dr Evil - where are you installing the flypads?

rockburn will be the test site. patapsco would be nice also.

They would be great at both of those courses! Rockburn's tees can get a little sloppy for sure. Patapsco's newer tees are very difficult for someone that approaches from a 45 degree angle instead of straight down the middle. I have to completely change my approach at Patapsco since you can't approach from the side without tripping over the wooden teebox borders. Good luck with the Flypads!

yeah, at least the patapsco tees have been freshened for the event on 4/9. rockburn's should be done by the event on 5/7 , and hopefully we can get in at least one flypad by then as a test.

Hey Dr. Evil. Clint From Kamloops BC here. We bought 9 Fly pads last Spring for our Rose Hill course. Install is pretty standard, especially if you have a large work crew. Prepare the area first. Our old boxes has shale and we gutted them first. We added about two inches of 3/4 crush gravel, levelled it (you can have a slight crown to it for better drainage) and then tamped it with a 150 pound plate tamper. Next we added an inch and a half of bedding sand, levelled it and positioned the pad on top. Once in place we ran the plate tamper over top and this really anchored it good! After that it was just a matter of using 6 inch galvanized spikes (with washers to prevent tearing) and presto! We've done nothing but sweep them since install. Pretty impressive and I'm sure the Launch pads work just as well.
Our club just landed a huge bunch of rubber track material (not porous like Flys or Launch Pads) which we have cut into 130+ tee pads for use on existing courses in town plus a massive complex in the works. This stuff is thicker and heavier and much grippier. We found Fly 18's to be treacherous in frosty or snowy conditions but this stuff is gonna be cherry. Good luck with your install. If you follow the above process you'll be set!

http://www.kdgc.com/pics.htm

Yeah, our club rocks...

also any reviews on how they work and the best ways to prevent erosion around them?



I played the Vintage Cup in Napa, NorCal this weekend.

They have "FlyPads" on all 18 holes. For them concrete is NOT an option so they went with these.

I found them to be VERY NICE.

There is some damage from below. I can see where the installer didnt put down bedding sand before the pads so after time the "rocks" below are starting to damage the pad (after at least a few years) Definitely not Reese's fault but Installer error.
Every hole also had a broom attached to the Tee Sign so sweeping of the pad could be done by each group. The conditions were "dry" so I cant comment on how they work when wet.

Magilla, you probably won't experience this, being from CA and all but Fly 18's are pretty slippery in frosty and/or snowy conditions.
Also, bedding sand is a critical step in the install process.

so is concrete. i would much rather land on my keister on a flypad or natural pad than concrete. plus concrete is bad on the legs, which is why they use flypad like material on tracks rather than concrete.

The pads are like a pair of jeans they like a little ware.When they come from the mill they are cut with a machined flat surface it takes about 6 months from them to get skuffed up.I have not heard of the pads being slick with snow or water I have these on many snowy courses 3 on ski resorts.They are a great option in many places.Better to have and not want,than to want and not have.Smooth Flights F18

Magilla, you probably won't experience this, being from CA and all but Fly 18's are pretty slippery in frosty and/or snowy conditions.




And Fly18 flypads are also dangerous in hot, sunny conditions when the recycled rubber heats up and becomes tacky. A local player nearly blew out a knee throwing on a Fly18 pad with these conditions.
The sticky Fly18 flypad rubber and the rubber bottomed shoes he was wearing stopped the normal pivot follow through and his leg locked up. There was no way to transfer the energy. The combination of rubbers acted as a brake.
Has Fly18 had any experts do research on this or is this just an isoltaed incident?
And what kind of legal responsability does Fly18 have to those that are injured while using Fly18 equipment?
Any help here Reese.

I play on Fly 18 pads at Emerald Isle (http://emeraldislegolf.net/DiscGolf.html) at least 3 times a week with no problems. Fly 18 has a good thing going. For all the haters out there, try playing one of Reese's courses...If you're still talking sh�t afterwards-you're probably not good anyway /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

That is like saying my tires grip to much.All products are subject to weather altering conditions outdoors.I have heard of 3 people that have said they grip to much all have been in heat over100 degrees airzona and texas.These pads are an option for stopping erosion ,cheaper to install, aND IN SOME CASES THE ONLY OPTION. I have 100s of thousands of throws in many states including Japan and have heard of only 3 coments to that.You can opt to change your shoe sellection to work for the tees you were provided.Part of course management.Stepping onto a fly pad, prepared propperly, will let you focus on the shot, not the footing. Tee areas should be safe, and fair, you cant blame all bad shots on the footing.It is not the arrow, it is the Indian. ;)

.It is not the arrow, it is the Indian. ;)



It is not the arrow, it is the Native American. Being of Native American decent I will avoid that one for now.

However you still didn't answer the questions.
Did you do any research into the safety of the Fly18 flypads before release?
And this goes out to anyone. What would be Fly18's legal responsability if a player were to get injured while using Fly18 equipment?
If a player gets hurt in a city park on a cement teepad then the responsability falls on the city and park department unless a waiver was signed in advance.

Attacking the product will be better recieved if you reveal who you are and name the "player" who supposedly "almost blew out a knee".

Anonymous posting with a post total of 13 and story consisting of "he said/she said" doesn't carry a lot of weight.

Attacking the product will be better recieved if you reveal who you are and name the "player" who supposedly "almost blew out a knee".

Anonymous posting with a post total of 13 and story consisting of "he said/she said" doesn't carry a lot of weight.



David Greenwell nearly blew out his knee on a "FlyPad"..ask him. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Rhett I didn't attack the product or the person. And it wasn't "he said, she said". I was an eyewitness, Luckily I was there and my medical background helped out the golfer. I was just wondering about the safety of the product and if sufficent safety tests were run on the product.
My wanting to protect my name and that of the golfer involved has nothing to do with nothing. Names will be revealed soon enough. Should be easy enough to figure out why I've made that choice.
As for how many times I've posted??? I have a life, a job and a family. Unlike you I don't have the time to sit here all day, every day and chime in on every topic on the board. Maybe with your vast message board experience you can answer the questions submitted.

I post with my name and can quote many area pro's and am's that agree...FlyPads suck ***** :o...END OF STORY

I know about the Dave Greenwell story I know him very well.I also know he has Knee problems like an old horse he needs to know when to go to pasture.So what is more important grip or slipp?Putting nothing down like most courses in Houston is more of a law suite because we know what happens when there nothing.A big wallered out mess to pull a groin or twist an ancle.Mitch I tryed to send you a private message to give you some kind words also but you have a block on it the coments on my pad are my feelings about you ........ :o:o

I do not believe that was a personal attack directed towards you flyboy.. Mitch is a stand up guy and a great asset to the disc golf community!! Because he does not like your product, you personally insult him!! what the hell is that?? If this is the type of person you are , well then..............!!! :p :p my pm is not blocked!!

THIS JUST IN...FLYPADS STILL SUCK :D

Rhett I didn't attack the product or the person. And it wasn't "he said, she said". I was an eyewitness, Luckily I was there and my medical background helped out the golfer. I was just wondering about the safety of the product and if sufficent safety tests were run on the product.
My wanting to protect my name and that of the golfer involved has nothing to do with nothing. Names will be revealed soon enough. Should be easy enough to figure out why I've made that choice.
As for how many times I've posted??? I have a life, a job and a family. Unlike you I don't have the time to sit here all day, every day and chime in on every topic on the board. Maybe with your vast message board experience you can answer the questions submitted.


The current state of the message board is this: anyone can at any time create a new anonymous account and say anything they want. And they do.

Coming on with a seldom used anonymous account and giving all those great "facts" that can in no way ever be checked out is lame. Taking the righteous high road doesn't change the fact that you could be anybody saying stuff that is true or not.

The people that have come on and said ot was Greenwell make a real news story, because now it can be checked out.

I would think that you could see that, but then I have no freaking idea who you are. Maybe you are a Real Genius super medical doctor, and maybe you are Big Red Killa. Who knows.

There is too much BS on this board for anyone to take seriously anything posted by an anonymous poster about "some guy" that something happened to. If you don't want to name names, then don't announce anything.

i've played on fly pads in many different states and have no problem with grip or them being slippery,i think the problem lays with the shoe that is worn i have played with people who have said fly pads are slippery but once again i think the problem lays in the sole of the shoe worn not the fly pad

p.s reese your still an nuckle head :D

I now have seen the different types of " Rubber Pads".

The material felt on the Disc Concepts , breaks apart very easy for some reason. The material , to me , doesn't seem to hold up. I was able to tear , in my hands, 1/2 inch thick Concepts Pad. It looked like there was more than 100 % rubber in the overall material composition. :(

The Fly Pad material ( same thickness : 1/2 inch ) was Totally different. Totally.

I tried to tear the Fly Pad , and could not. Not without a Knife or a Sharp cutting instrument.

Hmmmmmmmmm................................

Am I missing something here ?

I would not want to invest my money for a product that disintegrates in my hands , or for that matter , try and throw a drive on inferior material. I have already twisted my ankle and knee on pads that were inferior product , claiming to be something they were not.

For me , this is a Saftey Issue.

I have not slipped on the original Fly Pads though , made of 100 % rubber , even when wet.

Why is that ?

Safety should be everybody's main concern, out there on the course. Etiquette comes a distant second. :)

Yea...........I actually checked out the Other material Slo and it breaks apart in my hand like injected Foam material.

Totally different.

I've played on Flypads and can attest to them, but have yet to see the Disc Concepts ones yet. However, I've heard similar reports from several credible resources about the quality issues with the latter.

The original application for the DISConcepts Launch Pad rubber was for lining horse stalls. 1200lb+. horses are pampered with rubber lined stalls to keep them from having to stand in dirt. The installation method that I have seen is very similar to the suggested method of installing rubber tee pads and work great with no tearing problems. It is very important to provide a solid and smooth surface before installing ANY rubber pad. Once pads are installed correctly their life is only determined by the cleanliness of the rubber in the horse stall. (in the disc golf application pads can be unscrewed and pressure washed clean). I guess I don’t understand when you would actually be tearing at the pad when throwing from it unless you were wearing some type of spike on your shoe or had a REALLY bad drive and reached down and ripped the pad from the mounting frame in anger. DISConcepts pads are 100% recycled rubber, the same as “other” pads on the market.

removing and cleaning a pad is not practical. nobody has the energy to do that all the time. the point of pads is low maintainence. and like it or not, most disc golfers wear shoes that are practically spikes. i am concerned if one product tears easily in the hands and the other doesn't. i will have to try a piece of each and see for myself. can i pm my address to send a sample to?

No one is out on the course tearing them by hand.

It's simply the repetitive stress from disc golfers planting and throwing that places strain on the pad. If a tee pad begins to degrade, fall apart, and rips from its installation after only a few months of use, it is not useful.

False False False Pat your pads dont live up to fly pads.Your pads have allready done damage your new course in oregon that had only been for 6 weeks had so much wear and pieces missing that the college decided they dont want rubber at all.You and your coustomers will find out what I allready know you are peddling snake oil. The players will see the difference at worlds.I will do the pepsi coke challenge ;)and you can explain why it does not matter that your pad tears apart, and my pad cannot bee torn at all .Just bend your pad in half and watch it tear apart put mine in a vice for a week and nothing.Should I post the wear tests from the lab ?????My 3/8" will last longer than your 1/2".....Fly has reorders dc will have returns....52 courses and 7years of service at every major event in disc golf........apples and oranges :o

flyboy needs a dictionary!

Doc said only one cup of coffee .What is spell check for 200 Alex..... :)

received a sample of each thickness from flyboy. say whay you want(he even annoys me sometimes), his pads seem to be first rate material.

still no reply from pat on my PM requesting a sample of his pads. :confused:

i have some small pieces of pats pad :o

received a sample of each thickness from flyboy. say whay you want(he even annoys me sometimes), his pads seem to be first rate material.

still no reply from pat on my PM requesting a sample of his pads. :confused:



I Agree !!!!!!! Flypads ARE first rate material.

Go with the 1/2 inch thick version. Those are Awesome.

They stand up to the abuse and the elements !!!!!

I HIGHLY Recommend !!!!!!!! Plus , you will get your money's worth out of them , without being scammed !!!!!!! :eek:

still no reply from discconcepts from my pm or post. not sure if this is indicative of the quality of service or if he is ignoring me because i want to compare before spending money on pads. must say flyboy replied within a day and sent the samples right out.

I don't think Pat comes on here to often. Have you tried calling him? Disconcepts.com (http://Disconcepts.com/)

cool, maybe he just hasn't gotten the PM. i emailed him at the address on his site.

I have 4 other coustomers that have requested samples from DC, and no reply.When you can compare the two samples ,you can see ,and feel the difference.I showed the material to some golfers yesterday, and bent it over, and it tore in half, it gets worse, the older it gets :( quality never goes out of style fly 18...

Reese, let your customers do the smack talking! They've been doing a good job so far. :)

discconcepts replied to my email and are sending a sample i think. probably didn't get the PM. so i wonder if either company will sell just one pad so i can demo it to the park? flyboy?

you can get one stall mat... doh!.... i mean pad for about $40 at southern states. ;)

.......heh, heh, heh....... Now that you mention it I never have seen a cow slip on their follow through. Splatter maybe, but not slip. :D

Has there been any thought to a different anchoring system? The current one with the anchors sticking up out of the pad is a blown out knee/ankle just waiting to happen. Possibly make a frame that the pad is glued or somehow anchored from the bottom and the frame anchored to the ground. I played on the flypads just once, but after stepping on one of the anchors it became hugely apparent that it's dangerous. Luckily it was on a slow walk-up instead of a run-up.

lot's of splatters! hawk hollow looked like they all had the runs last time.

I've played on FlyPads a lot and have never had a problem stepping on the anchors.

Was the pad you used installed incorrectly? Or did you just decide you had to step right on that big shiny/rusty spike in the very corner of it?

One reason I stay away from reading messages on this forum is because of the continual negative mis-information that the people from fly18 continue to spew. I especially try to stay away from messages where flyboy is unloading, but feel sometimes you just need to set the record straight. Reese, I am constantly sending out samples of my product to people who have samples of your product as well. Your newest ploy to win over the customers you have scared off over the years by showing them how they can forcefully tear the Launch Pad material has worked a few times, but believe me you have lost quite a few customers due to your blatant attacks on those in the industry other than Fly18 and the fact that the LAUNCH PAD is a sweet product in wet environments. Yes you can rip the Launch Pad material if you tear at it; it is porous after all! Is your material just too dense to be torn and the reason your pads are so slick in the rain? The Launch Pad material was developed to have better drainage and traction than the original material I was selling, and the fly pad, while also providing a smooth and safe place to throw from. No way you could tear the other material I was selling but it was less porous. I still have access to both but am confident that the newer material is best. Reese is once again trying desperately to find something, anything just to make his competitors sound as if they are selling a product that pretends to be it is not? Has there been anything positive that has come out of their business that is truly going to be the future of this sport as he claims? I have great conversation with potential customers and many have also talked to Reece. They comment about the negativity and mis-information he is spreading about DISConcepts and feel more comfortable dealing with someone who provides helpful, friendly, and accurate information. I install the Launch Pads on the professional courses I build when cement is not an option. Please do not be confused with the Fly18 business strategy. Fly18 makes a great product and even Reece will tell you that I helped sell a few courses of his rubber. It was DISConcepts intention with the development of the Launch Pad to provide another option. Sure they were 1st but who cares? I personally think it is best for both companies to have competition so it keeps us in check with providing quality products at fair prices. If you are interested in a sample please give me a call. I can also provide install tips on how not to use large spikes!

Pat, thanks for responding. As a course builder I have 9 of Reese's pads and they are a great product. We have no complaints or incidents of injuries because we installed them properly. How someone can tear a knee out from a spike/washer that is essentially counter sunk and is beyond me, unless the pad was not installed properly. I'm sure your launch pads aren't any different, or much different.
What I do have a problem is Reese's unprofessional behaviour on a discussion board about another product/company. It sure makes me think twice about dealing with him again. Not cool Reese.

Hey DISConcepts,

Stick to promoting yoru product. Don't let Reese pull you down.

I say this because of your subtle un-truth in your post about FlyPads being slippery when wet. They're not. I've played them in the worst conditions ever: PAW 2000 in Michigan at the Campground course where one was installed in a drainage ditch where water was flowing over the pad when it rained. The FlyPad was not slippery at all, and it was not too grippy. The only time I've seen a slippery FlyPad was when fine sand was on it or mud was caked up on it, conditions that also make roughed-up concrete slippery.

I wasn't trying to add fuel to the fire, just trying to help. I have spoken to both of you guys, Reese and Pat. I have thrown from both types of pads. I wish the best for both of you. When two people are competing to build courses for me to play, the only thing I can say is, Thank You!

Doc evil I can send you a 1/2" pre cut 5'x10' pad and other person that that needs one to do the real test.In 7 years we will be able to compare apples to apples.

cool, pm me on cost and i will send you a check or paypal.

shipping is to 20723

OK, it has been over 2 years. Are there any preliminary test results from the 2 pads?

You may not get a response because I'm not sure if Dr_Evil uses this message board anymore; his last post was in July.

concrete teepads are too hard on the knees and feet.



You should've seen the teepads at Granite Ridge at Worlds. My ACL is still tender...

The pads from dc at PA worlds are in pieces.They are only 2 years old and breaking apart.Hence the reason, for pat writting a huge ad,on how to install a house with a piece horse flooring.Flypads do not need all the extra wood to work perfect, and last for many more years.I have 3/8" pads on some courses that have been in for over 9 years and going strong.Flypads endure the test of time.For $87.50 per pad and hardware they are hard to beat 5 1/2'widex10'long.I dont post very often but a little bell went off. ;)

Glad to see Flyby is back with his typical slanderous remarks. Usually when he makes his grand comments about my product in comparison to his, I receive more calls than ever about the Disconcepts Launch Pad. Disconcepts worked hard with the kind people at Disc Golf Magazine to provide an article about how to BEST install rubber tee surfaces. My intention was to provide the disc golf community, parks directors, and others interested in installing rubber tee pads with a method that would produce a long lasting, solid, and consistent teeing surface. For the last few years I have answered questions and comments about how to BEST install rubber tee pads. I felt like it was time to put a process in writing that potential customers could look at and make their decisions from. Not all courses need to build a sturdy frame to mount the rubber on, but whenever I talk to someone about installing the rubber pads, I give them a clear idea of the costs and longevity related to the installation method they choose. The 1st thing I typically say to a potential customer is: yes, you can just lay the rubber pad flat on the ground, stake it in place, and throw from it. However, to create a uniform, solid teeing surface, you need to take proper steps to insure the integrity of the product while providing the best surface for your intended users. Excavate the tee site, build some type of containing frame, tamp smooth or deck, and then install the rubber.
As I said in my article with Disc Golf Magazine, if your project can afford to correctly install concrete tee pads, that would be the best teeing surface (if textured right). If your project is looking for a tee pad that can be moved in the future, has limited access for concrete trucks, is easy on the knees, helps with erosion control, has excellent grip, and provides a surface that works great in rain saturated locations; the Launch Pad rubber tee pad is your best choice.
No gimmicks, no promise that this product is better than the next, and no slanderous remarks! If your course is thinking about rubber tee pads as an alternative to concrete or dirt tee pads and you are looking for a comparison in rubber type or bidding for competitive pricing; please give me a call and I will tell you straight.
Disconcepts / Pat Farrell @ 864-270-3723.
Because Disc Golf is ALL about choices!

Pat & Reese:

both of you guyz need to spend two minutes in "uh-oh time". and no you can't bring your vaporizers with you. :p

I hope someone can help. :)

Does anybody know how to install rubber pads? How do you prepare the ground? How do you "stake" the pad to the prepared area?

Did they used to have rubber pads at Winthrop? What kind where they?

What kind of pads did they have at Maple Hill where the Vibram Open was? Was it something new?

Innova and Discraft both have information on their site of how to install baskets. I wish the pad-makers shared this information as well. Innova even provides info for making concrete tee pads.

Does anybody have the article from the interview where Pat gave advice?

Any help is appreciated, thanks!

Those who sell them such as Disconcepts, Fly 18 and Innova provide installation guidance to those who buy from them. I don't currently see it online after making just a quick check.

There was an article a while back in Disc Golf Magazine about Tee Pad installation. From what I remember the best way to install them was to provide a base for the pads to be mounted on such as a sheet of plywood mounted on a frame (sorta the same frame you'd use for concrete tee pads). This way you wouldn't get pooling and warping that you would mounting them directly to the ground.

Here's Pat's contact number. He may be able to email you the copy of the article he had in the mag.
www.disconcepts.com/ (http://www.disconcepts.com/)

Alright, Thanks.

We used 6 x 6 lumber measured out in desired place. Then we filled with stones just below level, and filled in with stonedust and packed it down over a few days(gets the water out and basically turns to concrete). The we used wood screws on the front and sides. You will need to remove the side screws every winter as the pad itself will loosen. Because of this method, we have flypads that act like concrete teepads with better grip. Regardless of your choice(w/ or w/out 6 x 6) use stonedust.

Renting a jumping jack (vibratory compactor) will make quick work of preparing the subgrade material, and wlil provide a more uniform material then just allowing it to compact naturally. And if you use a grommet style washer along with the wood screw - you spread out the pressure of the fastener which reduces tears in the material. Using a wood frame seems to be the best method I've seen for both clean edges, and for physically attaching the pad. (Pinning it to the ground w/grommets and stakes, or with turf staples is less effective).

Preparing the subgrade is THE MOST IMPORTANT part of installing rubber tee pads.