PDGA Major Event: 2012 Pro/Am Disc Golf World Championships, Charlotte, NC

[ERicJ]

Some number crunching on the May 16th posted MA1 registration list.

NC registrations are well represented at 29% of the field.







Ratings breakdown:
932.4 Mean
933.5 Median
923 Mode

[bgwvdave]

Originally Posted by ERicJ

Some number crunching on the May 16th posted MA1 registration list.

NC registrations are well represented at 29% of the field.







Ratings breakdown:
932.4 Mean
933.5 Median
923 Mode

Eric J. them is some darn fine statistics right there. that really is great information.

As for the NC Representation i can speak to one thing that i learned through my conversation with the guy that called me with the PDGA registration team. while i was talking with him about getting in off the waitlist (i got my e-mail conformation of registering for the waitlist at 12:10 est just 10 min. after reg. opened up) he had stated that i was his 4th call that night (last thursday 5-10) and the 3 calls prior could not accept the spot as there were scheduling conflicts or they did not have enough time to arrange the trip this late in the game. I jumped on the chance because i am meerly 3 1/2 hours from Charlotte and already had the week off work. So i am assuming it is proximity that will make us NC'ers much more apt and able to accept spots with such short notice.

@C11800 - Great news man you and your son are in. Stoked!

[Spinthrift]

It was stated on another message board that The Blake, the Worlds host hotel, was full.

That is wrong.

If you try to book through a travel service like Orbitz, etc., it will tell you nothing is available because Worlds has the rooms marked as reserved.

There are rooms available at The Blake at the 2012 Worlds rate of $89/night. You can only get the rate by going through the official link:
https://make-reservations.com/Hotel/...sc/booking.php

Here is the host hotel notice from the PDGA 2012 Worlds pages:


The host hotel for the tournament is The Blake Hotel, in downtown Charlotte at 555 S. McDowell Street. It is a full-service convention hotel located just a few blocks from the heart of Charlotte’s vibrant bar, restaurant and cultural district, the NASCAR Hall of Fame and the Metropolitan Center with its restaurants and shopping. Across the street from The Blake is Marshall Park, offering an expanse of green for relaxing, practice and catch discs.

A very favorable room rate of $89/night is being offered from July 13-22. Reservations are being accepted now online and can be made using the promo code “disc”. You may also book by phone at 1-888-664-6835 using the identifier “Combined World Disc Golf Championships.”

All tournament courses are within 30 minutes of The Blake, which is located adjacent to the city’s inner beltway and just a short distance from interstate highways I-77 and I-85. All official functions of the World Championships will be located at The Blake: player registration, the Players Meeting and the Flymart/Expo. And a nice touch is the hotel will be providing $2 beer specials for tournament players and their guests in the hotel bar and during functions.

Don't wait. Make your reservations today!

[ERicJ]

       All    NC only
Mean   989.1   998.3
Median 993    1010.5
Mode  1010    1026

[bullmoosejam]

I'm playing in Advanced Grandmaster
How many make the cut for semi-finals?
How many make the cut for finals?

[jay40986]

Hey all worlds golfers. We have rented a house in Charlotte. Myself and the two others that are staying there are looking for two more people looking for a place to stay. We have rented a 3 bedroom house and has two baths and room for a basket and parking. It has a huge living room area and also a office type area that is empty and we could place a cot or air mattress in. Email me for particulars on the Price. Thanks. Also for all the woman out there this is three guys staying at the house so it would be at your own discreation if you joined us.
Email address.
jprutz@gmail.com
Thanks an hope to hear from you soon

[ThePatrick]

I see the dubs lists on the tour schedule page, but no reg list. Is that going to get posted soon? With registration all but closed you should have most of your sign ups. An upload would be appreciated.

[bruce_brakel]

If anyone reads ThePatrick's request and then realizes that PDGA.com is not designed to properly display doubles teams, there is a way to display both teammates with their PDGA number and rating. I'd be happy to share it with any doubles TD or data uploading person who might want it.

[C11800]

Does anyone know when the waitlist will be updated??

Thanks

[C11800]

Originally Posted by C11800

Does anyone know when the waitlist will be updated??

Thanks

Anybody???

[C11800]

Originally Posted by C11800

Anybody???

Ok..... It's been 15 days since the last update on the waitlist.
Anyone know what is happening with it?? Is there somewhere else the
Waitlist is being updated? Would appreciate some info please.

Thanks

[pterodactyl]

I wonder if Josh Anthon will get in from the waiting list.

[C11800]

Originally Posted by pterodactyl

I wonder if Josh Anthon will get in from the waiting list.

I just noticed him on the wait list when you posted that.

WOW!!! How does that happen?? This guy is one of the strongest players I have ever seen.
And he is down there too. This is the reason they really need to consider opening another course to open the pro field up a bit for more players. They probably can accomodate every "PRO" on the wait list. oh well, after seeing one of the best players on the waitlist that far down really dwarfs alot of my friends concern of a updated waitlist..lol.
Still need an update though...that would be nice.....

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by C11800

I just noticed him on the wait list when you posted that.

WOW!!! How does that happen??

He probably didn't register in the 50+ days that registration was open to invitees.
:-|

[TOURNEYPLAYER]

Originally Posted by C11800

I just noticed him on the wait list when you posted that.

WOW!!! How does that happen?? This guy is one of the strongest players I have ever seen.
And he is down there too. This is the reason they really need to consider opening another course to open the pro field up a bit for more players. They probably can accomodate every "PRO" on the wait list. oh well, after seeing one of the best players on the waitlist that far down really dwarfs alot of my friends concern of a updated waitlist..lol.
Still need an update though...that would be nice.....

Why should he get special treatment? he didnt register in time. others did. if your that good wouldnt you think ahead? I just dont get the entitled pro crap. why is he anymore deserving than a junior who qualified and didnt have the money to sign up right away. seriously...

[tacimala]

I just called and spoke to someone at the PDGA office and he was very helpful in answering questions about the waitlist. He said that not much has changed so far, which is why they haven't posted an updated list. MPO has only had 2 spots open up and he mentioned that juniors is the only division that has changed much. I don't know anything about any other division though, sorry.

[C11800]

Originally Posted by TOURNEYPLAYER

Why should he get special treatment? he didnt register in time. others did. if your that good wouldnt you think ahead? I just dont get the entitled pro crap. why is he anymore deserving than a junior who qualified and didnt have the money to sign up right away. seriously...

Uhhhhh... Where did you see special treatment??? I am just saying that I am really surprised that he isn't already signed up....same thing with Philo, he too is on the waitlist.
I am in no way saying anybody should get special treatment.

[C11800]

Originally Posted by tacimala

I just called and spoke to someone at the PDGA office and he was very helpful in answering questions about the waitlist. He said that not much has changed so far, which is why they haven't posted an updated list. MPO has only had 2 spots open up and he mentioned that juniors is the only division that has changed much. I don't know anything about any other division though, sorry.

Thanks for the info... It was updated today.

[TOURNEYPLAYER]

Originally Posted by C11800

Uhhhhh... Where did you see special treatment??? I am just saying that I am really surprised that he isn't already signed up....same thing with Philo, he too is on the waitlist.
I am in no way saying anybody should get special treatment.

When you said they should open up another course, that would be special treatment. why not open a course for the women, Ams, whoever. Its not fair to change things at this point in the game just so these slackers can play. Josh obviously had enough time to register. just didnt.

[the_kid]

A better solution to the problem would be to create a true qualifying system and only allow those who qualify.

It may also not be the worst idea to Prohibit Amateur overflow into the Pro side.....you know....make Pro Worlds only for Pros....

In the past the lack of demand warranted letting anyone into the event but the times are changing.

[C11800]

Originally Posted by the_kid

A better solution to the problem would be to create a true qualifying system and only allow those who qualify.

It may also not be the worst idea to Prohibit Amateur overflow into the Pro side.....you know....make Pro Worlds only for Pros....

In the past the lack of demand warranted letting anyone into the event but the times are changing.

Thanks for clarifying that for our hostile friend there. I wasn't hating on am's or juniors...since My youngest plays juniors as it is. But my 17 yr old plays pro and has been since he was 15 and he is on the wait list. Yes we are bummed just like everybody else but it is what it is. The thing that killed him was the change in the qualifying criteria,(since 2008 anyways) where it used to be a percentage of each state so each state gets a decent chance to represent. it was about performance level not who hits the most stops in the prior year. Some states don't have alot of pro's in their events so points are tough to come by, the Amatuer divisions always has a great showing. On top of low pro attendance we only have B tier events here. It gets a little expensive to travel with 2 kids playing not counting playing myself. I am a strong believer in keeping in your respective division, especially in majors such as this years worlds. I do feel like being a registered pro has no benefit at this point but hopefully down the road the demand will force good changes in qualifying criteria. I guess it comes from a professional bowlers perspective of having to do your time qualifying in rabbit sqauds to get a chance to even get into a regional to qualify for the tour. But even then the money is well earned and it isn't much considering the work and effort involved. Thats why I love disc golf so much I guess, I play knowing that it isn't about the money it is about the great time spent with friends and the level of competition that you have a chance to reach..With that said, I still believe everything must be earned through practice , dedication, and most of all, the respect for the game and those around you.

Thanks...I am out

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by C11800

Yes we are bummed just like everybody else but it is what it is. The thing that killed him was the change in the qualifying criteria,(since 2008 anyways) where it used to be a percentage of each state so each state gets a decent chance to represent. it was about performance level not who hits the most stops in the prior year. Some states don't have alot of pro's in their events so points are tough to come by, the Amatuer divisions always has a great showing.

Prior years did have a top 25% criteria... but that criteria also had minimum point thresholds. In 2012 the automatic qualifier point thresholds were lowered to what the past year's top 25% thresholds were.

So last year a top-25%-in-the-state Pro needed 500 points. This year they still need 500 points... but just don't have to be in the top 25%.


2011 Pro Invitation Criteria

Top Point earners on 2010 PDGA Tour:
Automatic Qualification: MPO 1000 pts, MPM 500 pts, MPG / MPS 100 pts, FPO / FPM / FPG 20 pts

Other players who finished in the Top 25% of Points earners within their State/Province/Country:
Minimum Standards: MPO 500 pts, MPM 250 pts, MPG / MPS 50 pts, FPO / FPM / FPG 10 pts

Senior Divisions - all male Pro members born 1950 or earlier who played a Tour event in 2009 & all female Pro members born 1960 or earlier who played a Tour event in 2010

2012 Pro Invitation Criteria

Top Point earners on 2011 PDGA Tour:
Minimum Standards: MPO 500 pts, MPM 250 pts, MPG / MPS 50 pts, FPO / FPM / FPG 10 pts

Senior Divisions - all male Pro members born 1951 or earlier who played a Tour event in 2011 & all female Pro members born 1961 or earlier who played a Tour event in 2011


2011 Am Invitation Criteria

Top Point earners on 2010 PDGA Tour:
Automatic Qualification: MA1 1000 pts, MM1 400 pts, MG1 100 pts, FW1 25 pts, FM1 25 pts, MJ1 300 pts, MJ2 200 pts, FJ1 10 pts, FJ2 10 pts.

Other players who finished in the Top 25% of Points earners within their State/Province/Country:
Minimum Standards: MA1 500 pts, MM1 200 pts, MG1 50 pts, FW1 15 pts, FM1 15 pts, MJ1 150 pts, MJ2 100 pts

Younger Divisions - all male and female Amateur members born 1997 or later who played in a Tour event in 2010.

Senior Divisions - all male Amateur members born 1950 or earlier & all female Amateur members born 1960 or earlier who played in a Tour event in 2010.

International - all current Overseas Amateur members (country not in list USA, Canada) who completed a Tour event in 2010.

2012 Am Invitation Criteria

Top Point earners on 2011 PDGA Tour:
Minimum Standards: MA1 500 pts, MM1 200 pts, MG1 50 pts, FW1 15 pts, FM1 15 pts, MJ1 150 pts, MJ2 100 pts, FJ1 6 pts, FJ2 6 pts.

Younger Divisions - all male and female Amateur members born 1998 or later who played in a Tour event in 2011.

Senior Divisions - all male Amateur members born 1951 or earlier & all female Amateur members born 1961 or earlier who played in a Tour event in 2011.

International - all current Overseas Amateur members (country other than USA or Canada) who completed a Tour event in 2011.

[C11800]

>>ERicJ
I didn't know what the criteria was in those Past years, but makes sense. Last time we were able to go was in 2008 so I am kinda lost on past criteria and both of my boys were juniors too, so that might be where I am missing the point criteria.
And I believe at that time juniors that played in a tour event automatically qualified without a point criteria. Still, doesn't change the fact that where we live pro attendance makes it tough to qualify even at 500 points. Just wish we could go to a national tour event once a year to get to that point stage. Just expensive to travel with the family and we try to save all year for a vacation so that we are able to attend. But it is what it is and we will keep trying every year.
Our position this year is a difficult choice, I am in and my youngest is in but my 17 yr old is on the wait list. As bad as we want to attend the worlds this year it is tough to leave him behind and just us to go. Guess that is the dad in me.. Lol

[cgkdisc]

They still need volunteers so perhaps your son could try to enjoy being a helper? Many people find they enjoy that experience as much as playing for a change of pace.

[rizbee]

Did more players qualify and receive invites this year compared to previous years? As I look at the 2011 and 2012 criteria the points needed seem to be about half in 2012 as they were in 2011. For example, if the 2011 criteria were used this year I would not have received an invite. I played in one A tier last year and was able to get enough points there to qualify. (and no, I'm not giving my spot up!)

If appreciably more players overall received invites this year than in years past, that might help explain why many top players weren't signed up before the field filled. They were used to waiting a little longer based on past years. In our current tough economy, many players don't want to spend the money sooner than necessary. They just miscalculated on what was necessary.

[ERicJ]

Originally Posted by rizbee

Did more players qualify and receive invites this year compared to previous years?

You can click the links in my previous post to see the breakdown of invitees by criteria but here are the totals:

Pro 2011: 1536
Pro 2012: 2019

Am 2011: 3121
Am 2012: 4400

Originally Posted by rizbee

If appreciably more players overall received invites this year than in years past, that might help explain why many top players weren't signed up before the field filled. They were used to waiting a little longer based on past years.

IIRC, most Pro divisions didn't fill until just before the open registration "deadline" anyway.

[Pinkeyes]

Does anyone know if there will be player check in on Monday the 16th? I saw on one schedule that it looked like there would be but on another it didn't list Monday. I just need to know if I must travel down a day earlier then I had planed.

[Spinthrift]

Originally Posted by Pinkeyes

Does anyone know if there will be player check in on Monday the 16th? I saw on one schedule that it looked like there would be but on another it didn't list Monday. I just need to know if I must travel down a day earlier then I had planed.

Yes, you can check in any time prior to the Players Meeting Monday night.

[bgwvdave]

I am coming in on Saturday July 14th and am looking to get some practice in on Nevin Saturday and Sunday. Will this be possible? I see the mixed doubles is going down Saturday but did not dig to find out what courses are being used. Thanks for any info.

[Spinthrift]

Originally Posted by bgwvdave

I am coming in on Saturday July 14th and am looking to get some practice in on Nevin Saturday and Sunday. Will this be possible? I see the mixed doubles is going down Saturday but did not dig to find out what courses are being used. Thanks for any info.

Bradford has been selected for doubles. Nevin is open for play/practice Sat and Sun.